You need 68 of those to own 1/2090 of the network (one s19 pro or 12 epyc 7763)

At a cost of $20500 for the hardware

And 9600w

So, 3x the power cost of an s19pro or 12 epyc 7763

i think that power figure is overestimated

142w is the power for one 3900x..

That not including mb, ram or anything else

i understand what you're saying

im telling you thats a high estimate for a 3900x

especially one undervolted for mining

Fair enough

you can get em down to under 100w pretty easily if you drop the vlovks

Lets call it 70

only way for sure is to measure at the cpu power cable

Its 4800w for the same percentage of network ownership and 20k to buy the CPUs used

but this is an estimate so 125w would hbe a good conservative estimate imo

To but an s19pro new, you'll own 1/2090th of the network for under 20l and under 4kw

20k*

would be interesting to do some further studying on this

Takes 25000 epyc or 1.7m ryzen 3900x to cover the global hr of monero

All of these numbers are estimates / napkin math

But it seems they arent far off.. but again, maybe im wayvoff LOL

also something to think about is an attacker trying to acquire that many asics to control half the netwprk would raise the price of them considerably while heing stuck with a paper weight

while an attacker on monero could rent the commodity hardware and walk away with no hardware to have to get eod of

or buy the hardware and resell it afterwards

510m to buy 1.7m used ryzens @ $300 + >4800w

75m to buy 25000 used epyc 7763s @ $3000 + >2700w

14m to buy 2090 used s19pros @ $7000 + 3250w

41m to buy 2090 s19pros @ 20k + 3250w

Also.. monero has, what appears to be ~ 10x more nodes per dollar (market cap) than btc.

..

BTC has 10x more nodes, but > 100x the market cap

i think i still agree with ur take generally, just mentioning some things to think about

maybe some things someone who disagrees might mention

Im not argueting :P just skeptical that my math is way off.

Because, if its anywhere near on correct, it... means monero really is the king

Monero is the only one

<ofrnxmr[m]> "Takes 25000 epyc or 1.7m ryzen 3..." <- *cough* 160k ryzen 3900X, not 1.7M *cough*

Hm. Where did I go wrong with my math

Just fatfingered an extra 0 somewhere

Probably lolol

2.5 GH/s / 15 kH/s

Yea, extra 0 somewhere

But no idea where you got the 2090 S19pro

Oh, got it

110 TH/s is not 0.11 EH/s

There's 3 more 0s in there

Tera, Peta, Esa

It takes 1.85M S19pro asics to match the btc hashrate

There we go

I was super confused

RE: I2P incoming P2P: I see... (full message at libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…69bf532cc1e54adb7f1c981dfa4b3eeff99)

Thats my understanding

Onions dont appear in status either

Ah, okay. Thanks good to know. And now, after 7+ hours of uptime, I'm getting quite a few in and out p2p connections from via i2pd. I think it works! 😆

You're using I2PD?

Yep!

Im not, and read selsta isnt either

Mind sharing your I2Pd config ? Or how to use it

Sure, not problem. I simply install i2pd via apt-get, so it is automatically running as a systemd service. My monerod config is:... (full message at libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…a3fd5d5c592b3448e3eb249fa29b465d5dd)

Where do you obtain your I2p address from I2PD?

I have not tested t he rpc i2pd connection yet, but the tunnel comes up fine in i2pd so I think it should work connecting a wallet.

That gets generated by i2pd at restart. You go to its dashboard at 127.0.0.1:7070.

Otherwise the i2pd.conf is all default.

I don't think it is strictly necessary, but it is advisable to open the assigned i2pd port on your firewall.

Does the official wallet gui support the `--proxy` arg or that's only supported by the cli at this point?

Tyty

I2pzero makes i2p + the gui simple (the gui has a socks proxy port yes)

So how do I connect my wallet to i2p? Just by `monero-wallet-gui --socks5-proxy 127.0.0.1:4447`? And after this transactions will be sent via i2p?

This is for Monerod though hm

Your monero dsemon will transmit using i2p following that guide , but you want to do something else?

Yeah, that's a slightly different setup, though I think it probably achieves the same.

I have an already running monerod and ip2d and now I would like to start up the gui and connect to i2pd with it. I think this step in your guide is internal since you start the daemon from the gui.

The cli has this:... (full message at libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…6d6a4def966145a082fa82b4b8e6a25611f)

I assume yes (just that the gui uses it for extra things)

But i will upgrade this ticket for you sir -> selsta xD pls confirm

I guess #monero-gui:monero.social would be better for follow up questions

Just confirming that the above i2pd tunnel [MONEROD-RPC] also works using the cli with `--proxy 127.0.0.1:4447 --daemon-address <long-i2p-addres-generated-for-the-rpc-tunnel.b32.i2p>:18089`.

are you using `i2pd` from apt repo or just using apt to install the binary from github?

From the debian stable/bullseye repo.

probably pretty out of date.

id upgrade it to most recent from the repo

from github*

Yeah, the one from the repo is probably older than the latest. At first I experimented with i2pd building it from source, but I am lazy to create and maintain its systemd service for myself and I'm not planning to contribute to i2pd so I just use the one from the repo.

the problem is security holes. its like running an old browser with published bugs.

Sure, then you can grab the latest from github, they are good at generating packages for various distros.

jozsef[m]: i2pd with the gui?

you can set a socks proxy in Settings -> Interface

Hey. Monero GUI client is crashing with no error message in macOS ventura. Where can I get help/pointers about that?

edoelk: As far as I know, Ventura is not yet supported. This may help. Or you could add a comment here to describe the problem: monero-project/monero #8453

edoelk[m]: see the link that Rucknium[m] posted. Using monero-wallet-cli with --max-concurrency might work, at least it didn't crash on me yet.

It is possible that this is a monero wallet bug that somehow only gets triggered on one OS version, but I want to wait until later betas before someone spends time debugging it. Ventura isn't out until October.

Thanks selsta. Using the sock5 proxy in the gui, I get `Some problems at connect, message: Socks request rejected or failed`.

The IP and port are correct because the same works in the cli.

What options do you start the CLI with?

But in the cli I also specify the i2p.

Let me check.

--proxy 127.0.0.1:4447 --daemon-address bhptjyuaknwxl3gzcseu6g32w4cginopxmuapdnb2fsdutrstcsq.b32.i2p:18089

You have to set the socks proxy and then add the i2p address as remote node

Okay.

afterwards it should work

I wonder if I can reuse my i2p keys from i2p-zero to i2pd

Excellent! it works! Thanks for the help.

Not sure about the keys.

If they use the same algorithm for authentication, maybe.

But I i2pd is a different implementation.

since my i2p address is used as a seed node I would ideally want to reuse it

jozsef[m]: did you compile i2pd or use prebuilt binary?

First I used/play with a compiled one, their latest master from github, now I just use the one from apt-get from debian/bullseye, but will probably install their latest release from github.

Re keys this might help migrating: i2pd.readthedocs.io/en/latest/user-…amily/#export-to-java-i2p-from-i2pd

ty

Is there a wallet on android that works with i2p?

Or, I guess the answer is: any with android i2pd + a tunnel.

@rucknium, @selsta Thank you.

new i2pd release btw: github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd/releases/tag/2.43.0

<jozsef[m]> "Or, I guess the answer is: any..." <- I spent some time trying to set this up but with monerujo but I guess a wallet needs to support connecting via a proxy and being able to specify a daemon using an i2p address (which I could successfully create by a client tunnel on the android i2pd app) . Other than the official cli wallet (running in termux), I cannot find any wallet that would support this on android.

jozsef[m]: monero-gui runs on android

CI has binaries for android v0.18.1.0 github.com/monero-project/monero-gui/actions/runs/2836035293

Nice, I didn't know, I will try it. ;-) Thx.

only remote node works, but that should be fine for your use case

Is there a way to download the build artifacts from github actions?

Nvm. There is. I will RTFM.

docker-android

jozsef:

Try invizible pro

From fdroid, for I2p vpn app

Then enter I2p address

If you want to shoot me an I2p rpc address, I can see if it works

ofrnxmr[m]: bhptjyuaknwxl3gzcseu6g32w4cginopxmuapdnb2fsdutrstcsq.b32.i2p:18089

but I don't know if he has login / pass

Doesn't appear to actually download blocks

Not getting any transit tunnels either. Not sure why

let's wait for jozsef[m] to see if he gets it working with monero-gui

Inviz uses purplei2p

I2pd doesnt want to instlal from termux, but I can try the I2pd standalone app

selsta:

Working with inviz

Just very slow

might get faster if you let it running a bit

from what I have read i2p hidden services should be a bit faster than tor

but not sure if this is true

Yeah, ill leave I2p running for a bit to let it build some tunnels and try again

Currently about 50kb/s down