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plowsof
endor00 he quadrupled the donation fee, not just double ( as there is a *=2 ) in the patch you missed. Just a heads up !
repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/299#note_19519
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spacekitty420[m]
just set the fee to 50% and be done with it u know?
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plowsof
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nioc
ask not what Monero can do for you, ask, what can I do for Monero?
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plowsof
good idea spacekitty
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selsta
adding a hidden 40% dev tax is wild
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selsta
oh wait it's a 80% dev tax
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plowsof
can't forget the *=2 indeed
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selsta
well at least he didn't add a 100% dev tax :)
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spacekitty420[m]
the *2 is only for minimum, 40 is the input straight up into xmrig i think
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selsta
spacekitty420[m]: no
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spacekitty420[m]
oh
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spacekitty420[m]
well, R.I.P
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plowsof
how dare you disagree with my anonymous expert witness
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selsta
all input gets doubled, and he also set the default from 1 to 2
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spacekitty420[m]
well maybe is just for testing purposes and would have been edited before a public release, like, who knows, is like when adding comments in code then cleaning that up when product close to being finished, idk
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spacekitty420[m]
like, could have be for troubleshooting purposes maybe
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selsta
why is he asking for a payout for unfinished code?
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selsta
and he still lied, claiming to doubled the default fee while in reality he quadruplet it
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spacekitty420[m]
that's fair points yea...
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selsta
that's a public release he shared on reddit with the goal that other people are supposed to run it
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selsta
imagine others deploying this and unknowingly donating 80% away
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spacekitty420[m]
no pre-built binaries available yet, would still have to manually run the scripts to compile, would hope those people would taken the time to edit properly rather than leaving the default values up, still that's pretty fucked up, like, yeah, fucked up x)
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spacekitty420[m]
reminds me endor00 comment about who would be able to run this that are not living at mj's place cause is basically all set up for his own setup, comment was regarding other values that it would be stoopid to assume all the users would have the technical knowledge or whatever to tweak to values for their own setup rather than having the code already properly doing it for them
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spacekitty420[m]
is good drama, thanks yall, reality tv thingy was following those past weeks literally just ended so... that's great <3
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spacekitty420[m]
oh shit and past few days also watched "rat in the kitchen" is basically cooks that have to cook meals for the chef while 1 of them try to sabotage them, so rn is like exactly like that, who the dev that tryna sabotage the code basically πΉ
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spacekitty420[m]
π΅οΈββοΈ
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plowsof
would you use a pre-built binary after seeing this?
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plowsof
full disclosure: we are attacking a project/person who is not in this channel to defend himself
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spacekitty420[m]
trusted rehrar yesterday with stack wally pre-built binary and now am just worried he has hacked my entire home network so prob wouldnt...
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spacekitty420[m]
:tinfoil:
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nioc
yes he left when he was criticized
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plowsof
the code is completed as-is
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spacekitty420[m]
to be fair tho, it was a zip and didnt expect it was pre-built....
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Rucknium[m]
I would like to hear sech1 's view about these xmrig settings
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plowsof
i wonder who the anonymous expert witness is
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spacekitty420[m]
plowsof: mj himself? cause at this point, why the fuck not? :derp:
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spacekitty420[m]
or endor cause who else but the husband... :hyperthonk:
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spacekitty420[m]
or ofrn cause the jelly ex o.o
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spacekitty420[m]
the plot thickens :hyperthonk:
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spacekitty420[m]
aight, ill show myself out, don't mind me
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DanIsnotthemanBr
<plowsof> "full disclosure: we are attackin..." <- This is how the interweb works
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Morpheus[m]
Trocador.app is back online, we moved to another host. Still need to allow TOR, but https should be working. Sorry for the problem guys, hope you still enjoy our Swaps.
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Morpheus[m]
Now onion for TOR is back online boys, happy trading everyone
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devduck[m]
unable to install anonero app
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devduck[m]
parsing error
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plowsof
do you have a telegram devduck?
t.me/anonero
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devduck[m]
no
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devduck[m]
the apks are same
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devduck[m]
i think
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devduck[m]
can you send me working apk
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devduck[m]
plowsof:
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plowsof
are there no public apks available?
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plowsof
is it literally 'heres the source with build instructions'?
gitea.com/ANONERO/ANON/releases
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ofrnxmr[m]
<spacekitty420[m]> "or ofrn cause the jelly ex o.o" <- Spacekitty is my jealous ex
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ofrnxmr[m]
<plowsof> "would you use a pre-built binary..." <- Yo'o
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ofrnxmr[m]
* Yolo
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ofrnxmr[m]
<devduck[m]> "the apks are same" <- Contact raver23
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spacekitty420[m]
can confirm
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ofrnxmr[m]
Cap. Show the video
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ofrnxmr[m]
I lied. Spacekitty is my crazy stalker ex
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ofrnxmr[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: That stick is a branch, btw. Mad because I forked off
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spacekitty420[m]
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ofrnxmr[m]
Can only post the real video in monero-pools
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spacekitty420[m]
none of those monero pools even working no more anyways
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ofrnxmr[m]
Sent invite
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spacekitty420[m]
was just a bunch of weirdos in their, like, full of tinfoil, back in 2020 was literally saying is the tinfoil covid channel cause it was all that was about
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spacekitty420[m]
fuck that LOL
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spacekitty420[m]
nah
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spacekitty420[m]
they too cringe over there
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merope
<plowsof> "endor00 he quadrupled the..." <- Shit, I hadn't even noticed that! Thank you for catching it
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spacekitty420[m]
dev fee going brrrrrr
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sech1
80% fee, must be some testing code, right? right?
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spacekitty420[m]
it has been stated that it was the public release so testing code shouldnt be there or somethin
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spacekitty420[m]
could also have been testing code that was forgotten to be removed cause too much cafeine and adderal and all the thingies combined or somethin π€·ββοΈ
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spacekitty420[m]
like, honest mistakes do happen, sometimes
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sech1
"forgotten"
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merope
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merope
From what I see in the docs mj added, users are just supposed to add that script in rc.local, so that it gets executed automatically on the mining rig after it gets the wake-on-lan signal
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Siren[m]
<plowsof> "full disclosure: we are attackin..." <- Well he should be here to defend himself
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Siren[m]
We are funding him and talking to a wall
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spacekitty420[m]
plowof and luigi already mentioned those issues on the ccs page, he'll prob get to answer to them eventually over there
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ofrnxmr[m]
<Siren[m]> "Well he should be here to defend..." <- I was under the impression that the project was mj + endor.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Mj's comments imply that it is mj's. The proposal also states that mj will complete it in full, alone, if endor was to be unable. The xmrig donation also goes towards mj's personal wallet (seemingly endor was unaware)
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Siren[m]
Holy fuck that is malicious
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ofrnxmr[m]
The only reason mj is not around anymore is because he was called out. He used frequent mrl, dev, community etc (when he was billing for his time here)
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Siren[m]
I heard some stuff from mj himself where he was victimizing himself, claiming some people created alts to harass and stalk him.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Threatening to shoot a dev, refusing to apologize and showing himself the door
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Siren[m]
And that's why he left XD
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Siren[m]
Some things he say are plain creepy or unnecessary, so that's not really surprising
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Rager
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ofrnxmr[m]
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Plowsof will need to get the big stick out now, so people honour there funded proposals
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ofrnxmr[m]
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ofrnxmr[m]
2hrs bills to shitpost
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ofrnxmr[m]
^ this is the dev he threatened to shoot
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Siren[m]
Not good
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ofrnxmr[m]
Use your own judgement. Did mj review that pr?
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DanIsnotthemanBr
How come 10hrs for remote access setup?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Btw. He was paid, because nobody wanted to deal with his kicking and screaming
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ofrnxmr[m]
DanIsnotthemanBr: Because hes a scammer?
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Brb creating proposal
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ofrnxmr[m]
Its not the first ccs. How many times do you need to set it up?
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ofrnxmr[m]
"Everytime"
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ofrnxmr[m]
Over 13hrs to count hours? Lol
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ofrnxmr[m]
Spitting in all of our faces.. then a month ago he tried to get paid half of a milestone before the milestone is completed. Rejected.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Now he wants everything except for half a milestone, and "wants it now" or else its a conspiracy. Lmao.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Scummy scum
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DanIsnotthemanBr
-.-
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Some people are diluted
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ofrnxmr[m]
Spent 2 years milking it with everyone giving the benefit of the doubt..
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ofrnxmr[m]
Me, myself, I only caught on once he put up his billing
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ofrnxmr[m]
Then I looked into his other stuff, like billing to capitalize words
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Lol
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ofrnxmr[m]
Merged pr's that got rolled back
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ofrnxmr[m]
False numbers for optimizations etc.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Am I saying hes trash? No. Im saying he needs to stop trying to be slick
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Seems fraudulent
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ofrnxmr[m]
Just a bit
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ofrnxmr[m]
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ofrnxmr[m]
Btw, heres a link to the accounting, posted by mj himself. So you know im not just making stuff up
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ofrnxmr[m]
Rucknium seems to be the only person who mj is doing right by (?)
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ofrnxmr[m]
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DanIsnotthemanBr
So where is it at now?
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Siren[m]
<ofrnxmr[m]> "Use your own judgement. Did mj..." <- nope
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Siren[m]
endor00: will you guys present soloptxmr at monerokon 2023?
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Siren[m]
what are you good at?
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Stnby[m]
<rayatina> "wut do?" <- Work on internet
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Stnby[m]
Show your site
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Siren[m]
go work as a sysadmin
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Siren[m]
ah so it gotta be crypto
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Stnby[m]
rayatina: Ever heard of HTTP2 or even better HTTP3?
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Siren[m]
rayatina: are you familiar with wg, docker and prometheus?
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Siren[m]
learn kubernetes
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Stnby[m]
Nginx configs are pretty fucking shit to master, try out Caddy
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Stnby[m]
Your onion site is down as well
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Siren[m]
yeah
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Siren[m]
screw ansible, go learn kubernetes
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Stnby[m]
Siren[m]: Damn that's a hard one
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Siren[m]
by the time he grows up ansible will be obsolete
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Siren[m]
it already is
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Stnby[m]
Always was
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Stnby[m]
NixOS or Kubernetes :D
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Stnby[m]
rayatina: Now its up
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Stnby[m]
> <@rayatina:monero.social> Now its up
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Stnby[m]
> sounds like a problem on your end not gonna lie
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Stnby[m]
Out again :D
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Stnby[m]
Maybe extremely slow
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Stnby[m]
<rayatina> "i also set up an email server..." <- What kind of email server are you running?
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Stnby[m]
rayatina: *smtp
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Stnby[m]
Nice setup tho, just I advise you to not leave these
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Stnby[m]
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merope
<Siren[m]> "endor00: will you guys present..." <- I have no plans to be at Monerokon, why?
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Stnby[m]
As when you work somewhere and they figure that you did this and leaked corporate source code you would be in a deep shit
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Stnby[m]
Yeah, but just a good practice, I assume you did not want to have this "feature"
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Siren[m]
merope: mj said he wants to present so I was thinking maybe he's planning to present soloptxmr and you know about it?
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merope
Nope, no idea
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Siren[m]
<rayatina> "i use either terms" <- They're different protocols
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Siren[m]
Siren[m]: You need both to receive/send
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Siren[m]
> <@rayatina:monero.social> are you familiar with wg, docker and prometheus?
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Siren[m]
> everyone knows abt docker, nothing new
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Siren[m]
Good, but the best thing you can learn rn is kubernetes
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Siren[m]
Everyone wants kubernetes now
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Siren[m]
:))
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Siren[m]
rayatina: It's not ideal when you have few thousand servers and you need to scale
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Siren[m]
Diversity points aren't real
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Siren[m]
Nobody will hire you for reasons other than your skillset
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Siren[m]
rayatina: That's simply not true
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Siren[m]
The main reasons are your skillset and legal hassles such as does he need a work permit/visa
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Siren[m]
Anything else doesn't matter
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Siren[m]
Businesses are economically motivated, they don't care about diversity
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Stnby[m]
rayatina: Also have Tor services on another daemon or some sort of port isolation
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Stnby[m]
`torsocks curl -v yd77w3djyoyex6uq3y66tbwfqru6psinf5lxcfr3dpqgzuopqemrldqd.onion -H Host:xmr.beauty`
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Siren[m]
Also it's more like language than race.
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Siren[m]
rayatina: Yeah sure they can hire you based on your race to place in HR (although even there they don't care), but this surely doesn't happen in IT roles.
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Siren[m]
It has never mattered and it will never be
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Stnby[m]
Write his contacts Siren maybe we will find him some work :D
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Siren[m]
Unless your ass is sanctioned
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Siren[m]
Then I'm gonna rule the world or something bruh
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Stnby[m]
Your average university graduate does not know how to install Nginx, and this guy at 14 already knows searxng is > searx
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Siren[m]
Stnby[m]: Yeah we already could give him some tasks
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Stnby[m]
Siren[m]: When we get some new customers.
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Stnby[m]
s/is//
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Stnby[m]
rayatina: Do you know Docker?
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Stnby[m]
Because you hate it?
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Stnby[m]
Docker is also command line, but I kind of get what you mean
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Stnby[m]
people from my previous work also prefered to upgarde some apache php5 cancerware by hand on 100s of servers at a time
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Siren[m]
rayatina: That's not the point of docker
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Siren[m]
Stnby[m]: It's more like this
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Stnby[m]
Oh and those servers used to be a mix of Debian Ubuntu Centos all different versions
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Stnby[m]
With docker it just works (most of the time) XD
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Stnby[m]
Dependency hell kind of thing
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Stnby[m]
Imagine having to deploy some shit python server
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Stnby[m]
sure if its the only thing on that server it will work
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Stnby[m]
but now you deploy a 2nd different shitty python server
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Stnby[m]
good luck with ufw
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Stnby[m]
They don't play too well
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Stnby[m]
delete the email server and host synapse or dendrite instead
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Stnby[m]
rayatina: whas the user?
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Stnby[m]
> <@rayatina:monero.social> *email
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Stnby[m]
* what's the user?
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Stnby[m]
<rayatina> "*email" <- you only gave the domain without the user
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devduck[m]
<rayatina> "but if you need it it's ahmedβ." <- you are a muslim? :)
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Stnby[m]
π¦’
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Siren[m]
> <@rayatina:monero.social> you are a muslim? :)
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Siren[m]
> yes.
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Siren[m]
Mashaallah, Allah willing Monero will succeed π
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ajgduagdy[m]
π
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Siren[m]
:D
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ajgduagdy[m]
Alhamdulillah
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Siren[m]
Yes we are all Turks πͺπͺπΉπ·
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Stnby[m]
I can confirm πΉπ· π¦πΏ πͺ³
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Siren[m]
π for XMR
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Siren[m]
<rayatina> "My president is a watermelon..." <- I'm a π seller πΉπ·
yewtu.be/watch?v=-DsI_wmk-fk
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Rucknium[m]
I'll address the mj situation:
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Rucknium[m]
I have been working with mj on and off for several months. I lack the technical background to judge his overall work on the Monero protocol.
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Rucknium[m]
From what I can judge, he seems to be a competent C++ coder. In June he converted the C++ wallet2 decoy selection code to Python. I was able to replicate the results in R:
github.com/mj-xmr/monero-mrl-mj/commits/master/decoy
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Rucknium[m]
Therefore, from what I can judge, he can perform. I am willing to listen to critiques of his overall work of course.
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Rucknium[m]
In his last maintenance CCS he did do a lot of work that requires little skill. That looks bad, but it's missing context. There is a huge backlog of code improvements to the protocol that have not been reviewed and merged.
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Rucknium[m]
Given the sensitivity of the code base and the limited labor resource of Monero protocol developers and repo maintainers, the slow rate of review is understandable. Off the top of my head, I can think of three big improvements that took six months or longer to be reviewed and merged.
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Rucknium[m]
ooo123/perfect-daemon's monerod reliability improvements, the multisig vulnerability fix (also helped by perfect-daemon), and rbrunner's RPC call efficiency improvements.
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Rucknium[m]
rbrunner's PR actually has sat for almost 12 months, still unmerged with over 100 comments:
monero-project/monero #8076
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Rucknium[m]
TheatPR is going to have a birthday in less than a week.
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Rucknium[m]
That PR*
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Rucknium[m]
Part of the funds from mj's first CCS were put into the General Fund because of review and merge issues:
ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/mj-compil-time-reduction.html
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Rucknium[m]
I am not surprised that mj eventually started fixing very easy things in the Monero repo when his previous work sat unreviewed and unmerged. I can't judge all of the billed time well since I'm not a real programmer and I don't know the expected work flow and time to completion. Some of it does seem excessive.
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Rucknium[m]
On other things: I condemn mj's apparent threat against ooo123 in this channel a few months ago. I do not support the xmrig config change to the donation for this CCS completion. (For future unfunded maintenance of SolOptXMR I think it's reasonable to have a "donation" in the config file as long as the CCS-funded version stays with the default donation to xmrig developers.)
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Rucknium[m]
In August mj approached the MAGIC Monero Fund about a project to work on Monero's statistical attack vulnerabilities. Since it mostly involved work that would improve OSPEAD, it put me in a position I didn't want to be in. (I'm the OSPEAD researcher and also on the committee that decides on grants and fundraising campaigns for the MAGIC Monero Fund.)
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Rucknium[m]
The committee voted to host a fundraiser for it. I recused myself from the vote:
magicgrants.org/funds/monero/minutes/2022-08-30
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Rucknium[m]
MAGIC hasn't launched the fundraiser yet since we are finishing a fundraising website
github.com/MAGICGrants/opensatswebsite . mj has put in some work already:
MAGICGrants/Monero-Fund #21
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Rucknium[m]
From the start of OSPEAD, the plan was to have mj and/or jberman help with the C++ work that I can't do:
ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/Ruckniu…ero-Against-Statistical-Attack.html
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Rucknium[m]
In a June MRL meeting I asked if there were any C++ programmers who wanted to pick up the C++ work for OSPEAD:
libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20220629#c113691
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Rucknium[m]
Only mj and jberman (with conditions) were willing and able. mj can work on OSPEAD. Meanwhile jberman can push Seraphis forward.
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Rucknium[m]
I hope my relative optimism about mj is not misplaced.
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Rucknium[m]
In conclusion, the Monero Project needs more C++ programmers for development and code review. The lack of C++ programmers is bottlenecking a huge amount of work. Plus, from an economic perspective more competition tends to improve the quality of service provided by existing purveyors.
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MajesticBank
what you think about MoneroShopping proposal?
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plowsof
nice idea but, they have no proven experience / admit they've never done it before- also the proof of concept is breaking some open source license
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plowsof
what do you think about the monero shopping proposal MajesticBank
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spacekitty420[m]
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MajesticBank
inspires me of "put Monero flag on the moon" for 5000 XMR CSS
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MajesticBank
1 milestone - create space rocket
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plowsof
5000 xmr sounds like a good deal for that , im interested
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spacekitty420[m]
when it was launched there were GPUs and laptops
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plowsof
proxy merchants / giftcards are a great offramp for spending crypto. at the moment they have a url and no experience , what can we say?
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plowsof
flag on the moon or "make tesla accept monero"
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Xmr yacht
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spacekitty420[m]
haha, that there was that website to make tesla to accept xmr around the time musk announced about accepting bitcoin, half of xmr community were like "fuck off with that, fuck musk" LOL
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plowsof
we put it forward to the CCS and funded it π³
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spacekitty420[m]
rayatina: something like scihub?
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spacekitty420[m]
is not p*rn, is science
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nioc
flag on moon, just pay NASA, they are going back to the moon in 2024
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nioc
55 years after the first time they went
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nioc
55 years before the first time would be 1914
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nioc
barely had cars then
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nioc
not much "progress"
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plowsof
we have fold able phones now though, we've come a long way
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spacekitty420[m]
nioc: are u sayin moon landing is fake? :tinfoil:
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spacekitty420[m]
well, implying
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nioc
no
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spacekitty420[m]
aight
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MajesticBank
i would like to see ccs from MentalOutlaw / andrewguy
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spacekitty420[m]
> <@rayatina:monero.social> something like scihub?
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spacekitty420[m]
>
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spacekitty420[m]
> i guess, but not as niche as science
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spacekitty420[m]
what if i told you, there's that website that has all the books that ever existed and will ever exist in the future?
libraryofbabel.info/browse.cgi
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spacekitty420[m]
yup, all the books in the future, it already has it all o.o
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spacekitty420[m]
:3
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plowsof
we have an open ccs for sponsoring MoneroTalk - i know Doug has mentioned he plans on getting paid out for it - I need to poke him
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nioc
wasn't for monerotalk sponsoeship
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nioc
he was going to quit his job and expand his role
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nioc
monerotalk was key for sure
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nioc
don't know if that actually happened
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plowsof
didn't quit his job no (from what i've seen)
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DanIsnotthemanBr
He has other sponsors now. Independent funding now ? Not From css
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MajesticBank
Were there some metrics/reports by him?
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MajesticBank
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spacekitty420[m]
not sure how there could be metrics, impact on adoption would be something really hard to measure
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spacekitty420[m]
like, sure there's youtube views but it's definitely not just that, meetups at events, then those other people might not adopt be into xmr right away but look into it a bit more later on then to their turn do some shilling and whatnot, like, that's not something that can be easily quantified, organic adoption happens and what he doing definitely helps on that
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spacekitty420[m]
s/adopt//
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selsta
20:04 <Rucknium[m]> I am not surprised that mj eventually started fixing very easy things in the Monero repo when his previous work sat unreviewed and unmerged. <-- but this wasn't without reason? <-- but that's not what happened really
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selsta
wait i wrote this twice lol
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selsta
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selsta
every dev in the team told him adding another abstraction layer is the wrong approach, he did in anyway and opened a large PR with it, obviously it will stay unmerged.
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MajesticBank
spacekitty420[m]: when you are paid by the community you must respond to the community, that's how ccs works
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MajesticBank
open-source, show youtube stats, show when you promoted all monero wallets etc
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spacekitty420[m]
just sayin, some things are more easy to have proper metrics
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selsta
also bug fixes get merged in monero, he did not do bug fixes. most of his changes were microoptimisations to CI, build system and tests
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DanIsnotthemanBr
But if you have cake wallet and steathx sponsors?
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spacekitty420[m]
like, lets sayin daddy elon stumbling upon one of doug's youtube video then elon twatting about monero, that's just one youtube view but millions of people seeing elon's twat without knowing it was influenced by doug
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selsta
here is an example of a "optimization":
monero-project/monero #7469
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DanIsnotthemanBr
True. But if you have external income coming in, should you still needed to be funded?
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selsta
it adds a bunch of code and as moneromooo commented it's the wrong approach in the first place, again no surprise that it won't get merged
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MajesticBank
spacekitty420[m]: you say we should accept speculative milestones ?
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DanIsnotthemanBr
No consensus
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selsta
I could list this in a lot of detail but I think it's unfair Rucknium[m] that you blame the devs when the reasons for the lack of merges were code quality and usefulness related
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selsta
20:02 <Rucknium[m]> rbrunner's PR actually has sat for almost 12 months, still unmerged with over 100 comments:
monero-project/monero #8076 <-- 100 comments shows that things are proceeding, but we would ideally need some kind of stress test to see how this patch behaves when the tx pool is under load
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Rucknium[m]
selsta: I'm glad you've given more info. I've quipped in private that we should have a public trial of mj. Only half jokingly because the people who can really judge mj's work haven't spoken up much and then rumors fly.
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selsta
it's a large patch that changes critical code that can affect node stability
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selsta
we almost have to make a tradeoff between current code stability and improvements, and sometimes being more careful is the right approach
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spacekitty420[m]
MajesticBank: no idea, all i sayin is that he been doing the hours on his things, doing the videos, the events if yall not happey with amount of those milestones then that's an other thing but he definitely been doing the work and accurate metrics are not as easy to give than from different type of works is all...
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Rucknium[m]
It's hard to see through all of the details in this story. My general impression is that mj is a competent coder who wants to help Monero but there is a mismatch in what types of tasks he wants to (or can) take on and what the protocol development needs.
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Rucknium[m]
And if it is just a mismatch, then transitioning him to MRL work could make a lot of sense
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MajesticBank
spacekitty420[m]: I am even maybe myself interested in sponsoring MoneroTalk, however this is community money
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plowsof
i have fixed more bugs in the monero-gui than mjxmr and i don't even know what c++ is
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spacekitty420[m]
if sounds fair since he definitely has those skillz that are scarce and him working with MRL would mean more eyes on his code so more audit and whatnot
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spacekitty420[m]
(regarding mj)
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plowsof
the community sponsored him 15 hours a week * 3 months to 45eur / hour to work on the Monero GUI
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plowsof
competency and 'actually doing things' matter
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spacekitty420[m]
one thing tho, could that also bring some potential dramas into mrl? πΉ
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MajesticBank
by seeing these two pull request, seems there is no sync with other devs
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nioc
mj has a proposal for funding by MAGIC now
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plowsof
plowsof : he read the monero gui issues, tested things, and submitted patches for some trivial (yet unsolved) bugs
github.com/monero-project/monero-gu…ues?q=is%3Amerged+author%3Aplowsof+
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plowsof
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plowsof
3 months of funding everyone, thanks!
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selsta
his only other GUI PR was abandoned after I asked for more information
monero-project/monero-gui #3858#issuecomment-1070867926
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Rucknium[m]
Which CCS proposal do you mean? The most recent one did not focus only on GUI. With the MAGIC proposal, if he doesn't produce, then he doesn't get paid.
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Rucknium[m]
And the work scope is defined pretty clearly
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plowsof
im seeking his ccs
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selsta
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selsta
GUI work is part of his CCS
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Rucknium[m]
I don't think mj is a perfect worker. Could he improve? Definitely. Do we have a different way to get C++ OSPEAD work done that doesn't slow down Seraphis and maintenance work? I don't think so. Recruit more devs, but how?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Ruck, look at his billing.
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plowsof
Recruit more devs - by having a mentor like mj-xmr to help them learn
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plowsof
ask endor
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ofrnxmr[m]
That's neither competence nor honest. Its malicious
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Rucknium[m]
My kindgom for a C++ dev.
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selsta
No one expects perfect workers here.
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Rucknium[m]
kingdom*
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plowsof
but OSPEAD is funded by the CCS - MAGIC/mj-xmr is not our concern
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selsta
I asked mj to debug a GUI bug, it shouldn't be an issue to figure this out with a "decade of IT experience", he spent a whole day setting up his dev environment and then told me can't reproduce.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Flat out lying about work done, billing over 13 hours to count hours, 10 hours to set to his pc for remote work
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selsta
I managed to solve it without reproducing too. I feel like there was a clear lack of interest in even trying.
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plowsof
remember the monero-bash we all 'hated' because it was 'just bash' - hinto would never in a million years - ' hard code the version of xmrig ' in anything he would release. never. mj? compotent c++ developer?
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plowsof
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Sounds like we need monero court
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plowsof
Proving his competency in other areas merely supports the fact that he doesn't care ?
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selsta
When asked if solopt is completed as-is, he replied: "Yes. Signing with my name."
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Siren[m]
plowsof: >Just bash
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Siren[m]
I bet you won't like wireguard userland tools when you figure out what it actually is
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selsta
And this completed as-is version contains a hidden 80% dev tax.
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Siren[m]
* >Just bash
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Siren[m]
I bet you won't like wireguard userland tools when you figure out what they actually are
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ofrnxmr[m]
With a 40% donation? 80%*?
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Jesus
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selsta
Either it's malicious, or he didn't even bother to read his own code once before asking for a payout and marking it as "completed".
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plowsof
full disclosure: i love bash, its hard to learn/use
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revuoxmr
Revuo Monero. Issue 146: November 10 - 17, 2022.
revuo-xmr.com/issue-146.html
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ofrnxmr[m]
He didnt tell endor either selsta:
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plowsof
so he's risking my reputation as ccs coordinator and endors reputation if we didnt spot that
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Rucknium[m]
Yes I said that I did not agree with that at all. And that has happened after MAGIC voted on the proposal to host a fundraising campaign. Maybe it doesn't raise funds and that's that. In that case OSPEAD will have blindspots, which turns into spotlights for Monero adversaries.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Ruck
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Rucknium[m]
But we are dealing with limited resources, so sometimes that's how it goes
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ofrnxmr[m]
Lol, if mj works well with you, so be it
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ofrnxmr[m]
But I bet endor thought like you when he entered into his arrangement with him
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ofrnxmr[m]
And the community supported mj's facade for years
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Rucknium[m]
I brought up the community concerns to the MAGIC Monero Fund committee at the time of the vote. As i said before, it puts me in a position I don't want to be in.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Those in the know kept quiet. But his pattern of behavior continues with soloptxmr
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ofrnxmr[m]
He speaks badly of endor, and uses GitHub commits as a measurement
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ofrnxmr[m]
When you look at the commits, its mj moving code around over and over
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selsta
A large part of his work is changing READMEs on Github.
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selsta
and yes, moving around code in various ways
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selsta
Rucknium[m]: how does mj's current work differ from the previous fee research done by noncesense-research-lab?
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Rucknium[m]
There cannot be a facade with this MAGIC fundraiser. There is: Did you fingerprint MyMonero txs based on fees? yes/no. Did you reproduce a scripting language's statistical estimation procedure for C++? Yes/no. Did you translate MyMonero's decoy selection algorithm into Python? Yes/no
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selsta
current work on fees
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plowsof
he does not acknowledge the 'consensus' of the ccs neither. (but it was fine when his dev proposals where being pushed through by it)?
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Rucknium[m]
selsta: Completely different. We didn't know that MyMonero had fingerprintable fees when Noncense did their research. jberman discovered it.
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ofrnxmr[m]
The consensus is simple. The proposal States that mj will COMPLETE the ccs, with or without mj
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plowsof
i would feel uncomfortable attending monerokon with someone who has made public death threats
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Siren[m]
<ofrnxmr[m]> "And claims the project is "his"..." <- I have a feeling he'll try to present soloptxmr solo at monerokon, that's why I asked earlier
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ofrnxmr[m]
Not that you can get paid before completion and run away
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ofrnxmr[m]
Or without endor*
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ofrnxmr[m]
He only had 3 panels and a couple batteries when I had asked him
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ofrnxmr[m]
And who, to this day, stands by them
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Rucknium[m]
I don't agree with mj's behavior with SolOptXMR. But endor didn't perform (seemingly through no own-fault) and mj more or less made the initial deadline.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Using comments like "I dont need a gun"
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ofrnxmr[m]
Rucknium[m]: Mj did not make the initial deadline
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Rucknium[m]
Ok, missed it by 10 days. Much better than a lot of CCSes
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ofrnxmr[m]
Solopt is not complete, even with endors missing additions
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ofrnxmr[m]
Its an 80% dev tax with a hard coded version of xmrig that only works on a specific setup. Was the ccs for a POC?
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Rucknium[m]
So, anyway, when is Core going to use the General Fund to recruit C++ devs?
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ofrnxmr[m]
binaryFate @binaryFate:libera.chat:
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ofrnxmr[m]
Community has no control over gf
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Siren[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: or saying shit like this
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Siren[m]
this is not DM, it's Monero Research Computing
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plowsof
ok we can't share if its not said in a public room / could be photoshop / hear say
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ofrnxmr[m]
^ not a dm
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plowsof
younger could be 1 year younger etc
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selsta
Siren[m]: yikes, i never saw this
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coolertyp1[m]
Yo am I anonymous if I buy montero to a clearweb wallet and send them over to my dark web wallet?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Why g...
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ofrnxmr[m]
Unless hes talking about kids lmfao
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Rucknium[m]
I think that's not OK, too. Not the position I want to be in. I'm trying to make lemonade out of lemons.
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Logging matrix chats π
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ofrnxmr[m]
#notfunny
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nioc
everything is logged
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spacekitty420[m]
DanIsnotthemanBr: they're already logged through bridges and whatnot also
monerologs.net
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ofrnxmr[m]
Rucknium[m]: If someone pisses in the lemonade.. is it still lemonade?
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ofrnxmr[m]
All im saying is, you seem to be mj's last hope for redemption
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ofrnxmr[m]
Keep a tight leash on your partner, I dont want to have to hear about how mj ripped off someone else
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Rucknium[m]
Agreed on both counts.
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DanIsnotthemanBr
I just use element anyway
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NorrinRadd
how is the spending of the GF determined?
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spacekitty420[m]
they basically just hodl till moon then it'll be to buy an other watch for fluffy, like, cause he got 2 arms so 1 watch for each
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ofrnxmr[m]
No
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ofrnxmr[m]
They basically spend what they want, usually in the best interest of monero, but really however they want
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ofrnxmr[m]
They can go buy 5 teslas and not tell us until the next transparency report, if they like
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Oo
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ofrnxmr[m]
They do donate to ccs proposals, and do pay for hosting etc. But Diego was on the payroll and nobody knew, for example
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ofrnxmr[m]
Which is the reason for the transparency reports..
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spacekitty420[m]
everybody knew tho
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ofrnxmr[m]
Tldr, if you want your donation earmarked, use a ccs
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spacekitty420[m]
is just when it got to reddit then there were those angy people on reddit but everybody knew before that...
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ofrnxmr[m]
Disclaimer: IDC about what happened with Diego
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ofrnxmr[m]
I think the neothers were paid from gf before moving to ccs as well (?)
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Siren[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: was he on the payroll for the same tasks in his milestones?
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ofrnxmr[m]
I wasnt paying much attention back then π€·ββοΈ couldnt tell ya
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Siren[m]
is it not ok to have a day job and at the same time work on a CCS project?
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ofrnxmr[m]
For the same items, id call that double dipping
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plowsof
We are due a transparency report indeed, we also have new sponsors that contribute toward those monthly hosting fees
getmonero.org/community/sponsorships
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Siren[m]
Yeah I can agree with that
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ofrnxmr[m]
But if different roles, no issues
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selsta
they usually don't spend the GF at all, only sometimes for donating to dev or audit CCS
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selsta
and a while for server hosting when Globee stopped paying
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plowsof
the GF donates to CCS proposals from time to time also, each are announced here / gitlab / reposted to twotter e.g.
nitter.it/WatchFund/status/1492376855730663428
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nioc
ofrnxmr[m]: the Noethers were always paid via CCS
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nioc
well once MRL became a thing
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spacekitty420[m]
where are they all nowadays btw? like sarang still on firo? what about surae where he at?
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selsta
sarang works for Diego, he does research contracting work
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ofrnxmr[m]
nioc: I could have sworn it was gf to begin with... I could be wrong but. .. are ya sure?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Sarang also did monerotopia and did a monerotalk interview where he took questions etc
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DiegoSalazar[m]
<ofrnxmr[m]> "Disclaimer: IDC about what..." <- das me
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nioc
they had hired Surae for some things before MRL was created
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ofrnxmr[m]
DiegoSalazar[m]: The king
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DiegoSalazar[m]
spacekitty420[m]: sarang works for me at Cypher Stack
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spacekitty420[m]
DiegoSalazar[m]: yeah that was scary like, as soon as ur name was said you showed up, like you got some script or something that notify you or somethin πΉ
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ofrnxmr[m]
Tell the truth. You work for Sarang
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ofrnxmr[m]
Hehe
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DiegoSalazar[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: he allows me to live in exchange for payment
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ofrnxmr[m]
Precisely
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DiegoSalazar[m]
spacekitty420[m]: always watching. Alwaaaaays.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Diego knows who I am irl
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DiegoSalazar[m]
I do?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Were not getting married yet...
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spacekitty420[m]
gottem
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DiegoSalazar[m]
<spacekitty420[m]> "everybody knew tho" <- it was an open secret, yeah. Everyone on IRC seemed to be privvy, but I guess nobody made an effort to get the info to the redditors
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DiegoSalazar[m]
But now I'm hijacking the conversation to talk about me, and, while admittedly one of my favorite subjects, we can go back to the other one
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spacekitty420[m]
what was the other one? i dont even remember
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ofrnxmr[m]
Hiring devs
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spacekitty420[m]
oh, right, C++ devs, i mean... they should be less scarce than skilled cryptographers like the ones working for diego u know...
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ofrnxmr[m]
Firing*
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nioc
pay me to learn C++
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nioc
I have experience in AlgolW
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ofrnxmr[m]
Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate): did you finish writing your ccs proposal?
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ofrnxmr[m]
You are an engineer, right?
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DanIsnotthemanBr
For my scam, i mean proposal?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Yes Sir. We can even merge in a few mins, before the meeting
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Siren[m]
Inspiring thought leading quantum teledildonics ex-FAANG engineer here! Can I hop in the bandwagon?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Definitely
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ofrnxmr[m]
But you have to know how to play the victim card
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Siren[m]
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Siren[m]
The wording in this one really sounds like it's the will.shu guy from an earlier closed proposal.
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spacekitty420[m]
that luigi comment tho, i so ded πΉ
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ofrnxmr[m]
luigi1111@luigi111156 minutes ago
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ofrnxmr[m]
I'm very confused
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selsta
>The legalities of this operation are still being discussed.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Jinx again, my spacepussy
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luigi1112
<3
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spacekitty420[m]
selsta: not for forget "Monero and any services that implement it are not legal, or soon to be outlawed."
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spacekitty420[m]
like monero already ilelgal or somethin :hyperthonk:
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DanIsnotthemanBr
I might copy molly server proposal and get paid and wait till price pumps
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Siren[m]
<spacekitty420[m]> "selsta: not for forget "Monero..." <- he just wants to grab funds and run tbh
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Siren[m]
hasn't done any research on anything
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plowsof
lol
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plowsof
they didnt promise me monero-js multi sig wallet escrow hypersonic payments π
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selsta
plowsof: did you talk to them in advance?
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spacekitty420[m]
s/for/to/
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Rucknium[m]
selsta: From earlier, I want to be clear that I am not blaming devs for taking time to review and merge PRs. It's the right decision to go slowly for safety and due to low resources. Compared to other cryptocurrency projects, Monero runs an incredibly lean operation.
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plowsof
no , i had no idea about it, i was as amazed as we all where
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plowsof
(ive stopped receiving email updates from the ccs repo for some reason)
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selsta
Rucknium[m]: we would definitely need more devs to improve the review process, especially with more complex PRs
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selsta
I just wanted to explain in mj's case it wasn't due to lack of available reviews but questionable benefit of many changes
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Siren[m]
do you know frontend or golang?
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selsta
are you replying to me? :D
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Siren[m]
we can maybe work together if you know how to use npm, sass and bulma
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plowsof
if yo usee random offtopic things - just assume someones replying to rayatina (he's banned on irc side)
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Siren[m]
rayatina: karaboga? πΉπ·
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Siren[m]
rayatina: yeah
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Siren[m]
oh
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Siren[m]
yeah I was replying to rayatina
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Siren[m]
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ofrnxmr[m]
<rayatina> "- i'm black" <- Randommmm
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ofrnxmr[m]
I thought you were green....
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layter[m]
<rayatina> "for anyone here who's in a..." <- Come join us (the neroshop team). We are in need of C++ devs π€£
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ofrnxmr[m]
14, well theres something good to hear
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spacekitty420[m]
stay in school and dont do the drugs
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ofrnxmr[m]
Especially hard ones π
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Siren[m]
you can stay out of school too but no drugs
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ofrnxmr[m]
I disaggree and agree with both of you
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ofrnxmr[m]
Fuck school and drugs, but go to school if you want and if you want to do drugs, dont smoke crack kiddos
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spacekitty420[m]
i mean even weed u know, wait until at least 25, brain under development and weed not great early
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spacekitty420[m]
damn... still illegal here πΏ
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ofrnxmr[m]
Ray are you in usa
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ofrnxmr[m]
And in the hood
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spacekitty420[m]
rayatina: was it you? the N word thingy? πΉ
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ofrnxmr[m]
Why dont you ve sys admin for whoever runs shit
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ofrnxmr[m]
The hood
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ofrnxmr[m]
They use cash and dollars
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ofrnxmr[m]
Put them on monero and charge a %
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spacekitty420[m]
spacekitty420[m]: oh, must have been Stnby maybe
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Stnby[m]
spacekitty420[m]: Nope, I didn't touch his form
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spacekitty420[m]
alrighty then
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spacekitty420[m]
guess we'll never know o.o
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ofrnxmr[m]
Fuck all that
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ofrnxmr[m]
Your job is clean
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ofrnxmr[m]
Just transition them away from fiat
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ofrnxmr[m]
π
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ofrnxmr[m]
Exactly smh
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ofrnxmr[m]
You dont see a market there?!?!
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ofrnxmr[m]
Who's the simpleton
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ofrnxmr[m]
You're the simpleton if youre allowing them to use csshapp in real life and then coming online talking about privacy and pretending you care
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ofrnxmr[m]
You have an easy market
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ofrnxmr[m]
Capture that flag kiddo
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ofrnxmr[m]
rayatina: They dont know about monero
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spacekitty420[m]
rayatina: and it is but it's also banking the unbanked and you're unbanked so... eh
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ofrnxmr[m]
Its your job to teach them
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spacekitty420[m]
like would have loved to have something available back when was ur age but nah, got scammed by paypal, never could withdraw then at 18 got scammed even more by paypal......
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spacekitty420[m]
errrr... x)
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ofrnxmr[m]
No
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ofrnxmr[m]
Are you even legal to work?
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spacekitty420[m]
or even do the $5 wrench attack, try not disclose too much you might hodl a couple bucks in crypto cause people sometimes getting fucking batshit in some cases....
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ofrnxmr[m]
If youre that serious, drop out and learn to code full time
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ofrnxmr[m]
She murdered them?! Wild
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spacekitty420[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: eh..... as a middle school dropout myself, wouldnt recommend, for some people is good to have the possibility to chose the path they want later on, droping out is just closing that door early and forcing only different paths
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spacekitty420[m]
ikr? am fucking retarded or some shit πΉ
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spacekitty420[m]
and now late 20s am like, the fuck am i even doing with my life u know.... so... yeah, again, stay in school and dont do the drugs
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spacekitty420[m]
watching movies and playing video games o.o
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ofrnxmr[m]
Drugs
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spacekitty420[m]
aint got no job, am broke ass bitch LOL
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ofrnxmr[m]
rayatina: Termux node
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Apply for funding ;)
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ofrnxmr[m]
> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> > <@rayatina:monero.social> are you working on any projects?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Termux node
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ofrnxmr[m]
ik you be making bank πΈ
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ofrnxmr[m]
0$?
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spacekitty420[m]
rayatina: not really, just setting up ways to be independent through cryptocoins, solar shits, redundancy for internet with starlinks and whatnot, growing food, chickens for the eggs, idfk, like, don't need no billions or whatever
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ofrnxmr[m]
Btw ray, termux node makes it easy for your simpleton friends to run monero nodes