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alpharabius[m]
I need 2 get my money up
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alpharabius[m]
But no jobs want me
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escapethe3ra[m]
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alpharabius[m]
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alpharabius[m]
Once again i am on monero observer
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alpharabius[m]
Befriending 3ra was the best idea i ever had
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alpharabius[m]
Or one of the best plowsof gave me
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alpharabius[m]
Bcuz i love you guys
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Martin77[m]
guys can anyone help me its not monero related
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ofrnxmr[m]
#monero:monero.social or #monero-offtopic:monero.social perhaps
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MajesticBank
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monerobull[m]
Well
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monerobull[m]
Technically you can only lock for like 2 or 4 years
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monerobull[m]
Not forever ;)
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MajesticBank
from wallet-cli
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MajesticBank
but otherwise there is no limit, if modify anything
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monerobull[m]
I thought it had some maximum amount of blocks for locktime?
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monerobull[m]
It was discussed some time ago when we thought about removing locktime entirely
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MajesticBank
Rucknium[m] recently wrote that he played with it and locked it like for 12572839583y6894723894723 blocks
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MajesticBank
list of affected services was like huge
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monerobull[m]
Is this some real bug or people just not checking if there's a locktime at all?
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MajesticBank
can' blame anyone, docs were light however
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MajesticBank
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MajesticBank
fixed in here
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MajesticBank
however might take some time for this to be merged
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Siren[m]
plowsof: can you add another CNAME for www.monerodevs.org to monerodevs.org?
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Siren[m]
plowsof: add A record for monerodevs.org to 157.90.238.71
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Siren[m]
add AAAA record for monerodevs.org to 2a01:4f8:1c1e:bf05::1
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Siren[m]
CNAME for monerodevs.org is not possible my sleepy ass told you to do something wrong
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MajesticBank
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MajesticBank
couldn't be shorter
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Siren[m]
I wouldn't fund such a person who's clearly delusional and is undermining his peers. What are the chances he won't do it again to other people he works with?
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ofrnxmr[m]
I don't see any reason for him to stop when its paying the bills with no resistance
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ofrnxmr[m]
But in regards to the old proposal to add comit swaps to gui, I have a hard time believing any third party swaps will be in gui any time soon, if at all
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Siren[m]
Let's trust him on the dev tax, sure it's accidental. After reading the arguments between endor and him on the CCS proposal he's clearly being malicious and manipulative to any reader who might not have any context.
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Siren[m]
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ofrnxmr[m]
Guy is bonkers, and an amateur scammer. He just has nobody with the balls to tell him to stfu
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Siren[m]
He's lying about how it's centralized, prone to censorship and surveillance. REMIND YOU HOMEASSISTANT IS AN OPEN SOURCE SELF-HOSTABLE project.
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Siren[m]
He's intentionally posting bullshit articles that are unrelated to homeassistant to make endor seem bad.
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Siren[m]
Why is MAGIC funding this guy???
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ofrnxmr[m]
He posts bullshit all day, like how im ooo123 ๐๐
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ofrnxmr[m]
He also keeps tongue in cheek saying im the reason he added the dev tax
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Siren[m]
That's a bullshit excuse
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ofrnxmr[m]
Its a contradiction
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ofrnxmr[m]
It cant be an accident AND something he did because he was told to
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ofrnxmr[m]
Anyway, the guy is a knows liar and Luigi keeps paying him
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ofrnxmr[m]
luigi1111w: .....
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ofrnxmr[m]
Need to stop enabling this behavior. Making me want to create an alt and throw our a scam ccs and laugh at how easy it is to rip off the community
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ofrnxmr[m]
Throw out* a well worded* scam ccs
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Siren[m]
"Having the payment risk from M3 in mind, and seeing how harsh it was pushed on the Monero Moon CCS to introduce a **business model** here and here, I thought that I'd experiment with such a business model as well, just in case I don't get paid for neither M3 nor M4. So far most of you have confirmed my prediction about the payment drama... revisited." From mj's explanation on reddit
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ofrnxmr[m]
^^ and he accuses perfect-daemon of that
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ofrnxmr[m]
But it was ne
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ofrnxmr[m]
"Brand new alt", yeah, too bad my GH is over 3 years old
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Siren[m]
He calls it a business model
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Siren[m]
Says it wasn't hidden guys I posted it on a report on reddit that nobody fucking reads!
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ofrnxmr[m]
The title of the ccs is mining with the most profitability
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ofrnxmr[m]
Adding 80% skim = youre a liar
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ofrnxmr[m]
Why is there even a debate about paying him. Its a fucking joke if you ask me.
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Siren[m]
How are we supposed to track people's updates if they post it on reddit, twitter and anywhere else other than here during community meetings
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Siren[m]
I think it should be CCS policy that you must participate in the meetings and you must not implement a dev tax unless community decides otherwise
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Siren[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: I'm currently more disgusted about the fact how he treats endor, imagine him working on something more important with other people
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ofrnxmr[m]
This is how it needs to go:
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ofrnxmr[m]
1. Endor finished m3, then layout for m3 goes out. M4 is laid when Final product is delivered. Tldr. Stfu and do as you proposed in the proposal.
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ofrnxmr[m]
2. We close the ccs for repeated malicious behavior - attempted early pay, attempted stolen funds from partner, attempted deliver of a releace candidate, and an accidental 80% skim. Then, of they want, Endor and/or mj, together or separately can open new proposals for m3 and m4. -- new proposals because mj clearly wants one and cant honor this kbe
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ofrnxmr[m]
Siren[m]: Mj said he refuses because the meetings are unmoderated and that my vote shiuldnt count ๐๐ and geonic1: gave it a thumbs up ๐ฅน
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ofrnxmr[m]
Reality: mj billed his time for the meetings.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Reality: mj left community because he didnt want to retract death threats
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Siren[m]
Did we make it clear in CCS policy that you cannot count the time spent in community meetings as work? If not, we should
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Siren[m]
So we can point to it and say that he violated that
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ofrnxmr[m]
No, its not a rule
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ofrnxmr[m]
Mj is just a scammer
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ofrnxmr[m]
He billed for 13+ hours to count his hours
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Siren[m]
I get what you mean
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ofrnxmr[m]
He billed for reviews he didnt do
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ofrnxmr[m]
We still paid him. KNOWING he was a bullshit scammer
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Siren[m]
But if it's written somewhere we can avoid unnecessary arguments
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ofrnxmr[m]
Nitpicking
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ofrnxmr[m]
Technically were all very good people for attending for free
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ofrnxmr[m]
Often meetings are missing people who are paid to be there
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ofrnxmr[m]
Meetings IRL
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ofrnxmr[m]
So im not mad at him for charging to attend
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ofrnxmr[m]
But saying he stopped for any other reason is bullshit.
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ofrnxmr[m]
13 hours billed to count his hours ๐ฅน
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ofrnxmr[m]
Billed for doing a find and replace of Github to GitHub
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ofrnxmr[m]
billed for reviewing 7760, when he just shitposted all over it
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ofrnxmr[m]
And.. we paid him. Why? It was supposed to be paying him to go away. Like severance.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Now, not even a few months later hes trying to fuck endor and ccs and were about to pay him again
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MajesticBank
If you ask me community meetings should have larger consensus, should be mainstream and available for everyone to comment / vote on css proposals
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MajesticBank
Not just us 4-5-6 to vote on proposals but 20-30 people, on telegram also, it much harder to manipulate when there is larger group of people
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ofrnxmr[m]
Community says "NO!", but plowsof: and luigi1111w: wont tell this guy "NO!". They say. Lets talk and see if we can bend over for you
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ofrnxmr[m]
MajesticBank: Lmfao
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ofrnxmr[m]
30 people on telegram YOLO
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ofrnxmr[m]
A bunch of people who cant find their way to matrix or ccs shouldn't be voting with anything but dollars
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ofrnxmr[m]
Voting with anything but xmr
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ofrnxmr[m]
People are easily manipulated by fud, scammers, whatever.
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ofrnxmr[m]
If telegram was voting, sgp would be rip, @monero twitter would be run by orange pills 4.0 or whatever they are onto now
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ofrnxmr[m]
This is a workgroup
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ofrnxmr[m]
Not a twitter poll
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ofrnxmr[m]
<ofrnxmr[m]> "Often meetings are missing..." <- Re: not just 4-5-6 people
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ofrnxmr[m]
Those who attend, attend because we dedicate the time to read proposals and attend the meetings. Those who dont, dont because they dont want to.
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ofrnxmr[m]
It doesnt take a genius to be a part of the community, just someone that decides to take that step
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Siren[m]
telegram is more prone to scammers/spammers, it's more unmoderated
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ofrnxmr[m]
A lot of noise
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Siren[m]
I don't think we should bridge it
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ofrnxmr[m]
Agreed
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ofrnxmr[m]
But majestic wants telegrammers opinion ๐
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ofrnxmr[m]
But to go back a bit. I dont think its beneficial to monero to add atomic swaps to gui
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MajesticBank
decentralization and larger consensus, sign me up
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ofrnxmr[m]
Its neither
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ofrnxmr[m]
Its noise
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ofrnxmr[m]
If it was larger consensus, why dont they go to GitLab?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Its the same 4-6 people commenting on GitLab. The donators and people who talk on Reddit dont give two shits about being involved
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ofrnxmr[m]
The ones who do, are involved. Obviously
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Siren[m]
> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> This is how it needs to go:... (full message at <
libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…e0fc6418e972d85038b1583cf620bea5391>)
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ofrnxmr[m]
Luigi just gonna keep paying scammers though
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devduck[m]
hii
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ofrnxmr[m]
Whats the point of having rules etc if when they are broken you are given a cookie and a warning
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ofrnxmr[m]
Paid to stop whining in public
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Siren[m]
<Siren[m]> "> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social..." <- From what I have seen from past proposals few examples include:
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Siren[m]
- Free software license violations (GPL, MIT etc)
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Siren[m]
- Proprietary service/demo/product/program. (This is already in the CCS rules)
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Siren[m]
- Introducing dev tax without consulting the community
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Siren[m]
> <@siren:kernal.eu> We have common sense therefore we can tell malicious behavior. But we should really define it here:
ccs.getmonero.org/what-is-ccs... (full message at <
libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…b25e7308c19e651e7e2c55ce96b5de15ac7>)
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ofrnxmr[m]
The number 1 problem isnt the rules
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ofrnxmr[m]
Its why plowsof was appointed
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ofrnxmr[m]
Lack of oversight
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ofrnxmr[m]
Luigi hitting the merge/pay button because hes gettign bullied and doesnt have time to argue
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ofrnxmr[m]
Stupidity
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Siren[m]
To add to the rules:
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Siren[m]
- Proposers must keep the community updated through community meetings.
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Siren[m]
- Proposers must have a demo, either open source code that can be ran and verified or already deployed by the proposer.
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ofrnxmr[m]
^ I dont agree
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ofrnxmr[m]
Koe doesnt come to community meeting or had a demo
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Siren[m]
we can add an exception for core devs or reviewers etc
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Siren[m]
but if it is a monero community development project (external program that isn't within the monero-project), they should provide a demo
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ofrnxmr[m]
I think each ccs is different, but there should be a discginction between... (full message at <
libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…f74046720bd61cf11f71bb9289d19232f12>)
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Siren[m]
* we can add an exception for core devs, reviewers, research involving core functionality etc
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ofrnxmr[m]
I dont think a demo is necessary
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ofrnxmr[m]
Unless they are asking for a milestone 0
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ofrnxmr[m]
(For work already done)
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Siren[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: I get it but shit like monero.shopping needs a demo up front
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Siren[m]
what they call demo isn't a demo, has nothing to with their proposal
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ofrnxmr[m]
Monero.shopping needs to find funding elsewhere
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Siren[m]
but I think it should be policy that people should update the community through this chat
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Siren[m]
not through reddit and not through editing gitlab descriptions every minute
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ofrnxmr[m]
IMO they should have to attend the me meetings, at least.
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Siren[m]
they can post an update and link here at the time of the meetings or before
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Siren[m]
but must post here
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ofrnxmr[m]
The problem is.....
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ofrnxmr[m]
Mj
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Siren[m]
it must be plowsof's job to keep track but I'm not gonna sign up on some proprietary platform to track your shenanigans
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ofrnxmr[m]
We waste fucking time everyday on dumb bullshit like trying to please scammers
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Siren[m]
s/must/might/
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ofrnxmr[m]
When we should be following up with ongoing ccs
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ofrnxmr[m]
But again, at the next meeting, the mj shit will waste more time instead
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ofrnxmr[m]
IRL this issue should have taken less than 48 hours to resolve
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ofrnxmr[m]
Not weeks
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ofrnxmr[m]
For some solar project project that nobody except for mj has ever used
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Siren[m]
if there are multiple proposers for one proposal and we see "internal conflict", we should probably close the proposal
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Siren[m]
let them submit another
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ofrnxmr[m]
There is one proposer
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ofrnxmr[m]
Mj
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ofrnxmr[m]
Who guaranteed he would complete the ccs, with or without endor
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ofrnxmr[m]
Now, mj claims he wants to leave endor holding the final piece of the puzzle ๐ญ
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ofrnxmr[m]
Scammer
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ofrnxmr[m]
Went to leave early*
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selsta
solopt is just another way for mj to monetize his tsqsim software
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selsta
he did it on 4 occasions now
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selsta
first he was funded as a monero dev and instead spent 3 months on tsqsim even though that wasn't his proposal
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selsta
then he opened a proposal to work on tsqsim which was rejected
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selsta
then the solopt thing which is just another way for him to monetize tsqsim, and now his MAGIC proposal which again is tsqsim
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ofrnxmr[m]
I really dont understand luigi1111: and plowsof: willingness to play along
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ofrnxmr[m]
IMO.. either he stfu and does what hes supposed to do and get paid on schedule, or he can be loud and kick and scream on his way out the door.
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ofrnxmr[m]
He's not entitled to any funds. He's already been paid for work he didnt do
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selsta
geonic supports mj? or did i read the backlog wrong?
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ofrnxmr[m]
If mj is starving and needs charity, he should say so. But statements like "I expect my money in 2 weeks".
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ofrnxmr[m]
Mj. Stfu. How about NOOOOOOOO
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ofrnxmr[m]
selsta: Sounded that way to me
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selsta
lmao not surprised
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Siren[m]
he lies to people he feels close to
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Siren[m]
that's been my experience with him
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ofrnxmr[m]
And he avoids people like me
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ofrnxmr[m]
Im the reason hes not here.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Im not talking behind his back. He ran away and never came back. Next time I saw him, he accused me of being perfect daemons brand new alt
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ofrnxmr[m]
Flattering. Really, it is. But in not PD
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ofrnxmr[m]
The forced irony / reverse psychology is that he accuses plowsof of not doing his job - implying Plowsof job is to assist mj in an easy scam
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spacekitty420[m]
ofrnxmr: did u do the drinking thingy again and rambling about mj again? o.o
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spacekitty420[m]
๐ฟ
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spacekitty420[m]
had that fren that like, erytime he was drinking some alcolol he started rambling about snowden and whatnot, reminds me of that a lil bit ๐น
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ofrnxmr[m]
Im blaming Maj3stic
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ofrnxmr[m]
Im sober though ๐ถโ๐ซ๏ธ๐ถโ๐ซ๏ธ
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spacekitty420[m]
uh? what for?
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spacekitty420[m]
thought majesticbank basically had same arguments as you do
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ofrnxmr[m]
He did, but he brought up mj and atomic swaos
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ofrnxmr[m]
Being implemented in gui. I couldnt resist
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ofrnxmr[m]
I think we, me and kitty, both feel the same way about atomic swaps and who they benefit
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spacekitty420[m]
oh, i might have missread that, thought he was talking about eventually being the first to implement it on their majesticbank website, not monero-gui
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spacekitty420[m]
i still like the idea of atomic swap being a thing tho...
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spacekitty420[m]
like, we don't have monero atm in here but liek a couple btc atm for example
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spacekitty420[m]
in this case atomic swap could be useful to just swap those btc into xmr
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ofrnxmr[m]
But it involves selling xmr for dirty btc, which is bad for just about anyone with xmr
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erembax[m]
I'm running the GUI with a local node. Is there a way to get the daemon to start automatically when I start the computer and when I resume from suspend?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Normies dont use BTC on the blockchain
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ofrnxmr[m]
erembax: what os?
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spacekitty420[m]
erembax: scheduled task in of windows, cron job if on linux or something like that
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erembax[m]
Ubuntu
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ofrnxmr[m]
Linux you should just be able to add it to startup applications
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erembax[m]
I used the daemon before with Feather and tried creating a systemd script but couldn't get it to work
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spacekitty420[m]
there's been a change with the rc.local thingy few versions ago but i think is basically just creating the file manually nowadays, is something that should be pretty easy to google i think
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ofrnxmr[m]
I dont like using systemd
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ofrnxmr[m]
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spacekitty420[m]
ayyyyyy `tmux` fren \o/
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spacekitty420[m]
/huggies <3
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ofrnxmr[m]
But of course, only works after login
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ofrnxmr[m]
Making frens everyday! ๐ฅณ
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erembax[m]
spacekitty420[m]: I tried to google it and found some systemd scripts people used but for some reason they don't work, or they only work after booting not after resume
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ofrnxmr[m]
After resume = before resume it was running?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Should still be running.. probably just have to wait for connections
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spacekitty420[m]
bandaid would be the script you using for booting and then a cron job that just restart the service every hours, idk, i lazy LOL
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ofrnxmr[m]
Checks every 10 mins and restarts if its down ๐
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erembax[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: monerod would start after boot but wouldn't restart after closing the laptop and opening back up (suspend/resume)
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erembax[m]
spacekitty420[m]: I don't have that systemd script anymore deleted it
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ofrnxmr[m]
Monerod was not running before suspend?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Then it shouldn't start on resume
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erembax[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: it was
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erembax[m]
> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Then it shouldn't start on resume
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erembax[m]
* it was running before suspend
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Rucknium[m]
<MajesticBank> "Rucknium recently wrote that..." <- This must have been someone else. Mochi101, perhaps? thecharlatan did some work on it years ago too.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Probably just need to wait for connections. It should still ve running, unless you closed it.
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ofrnxmr[m]
sudo systemctl status monerod
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spacekitty420[m]
Rucknium: always read (few years ago) that it was a feature that was going to be deprecated so to avoid using it (some people thought it could be used for delayed payments / forcing to hodl for like a year and such...), is this that same feature that been causing issues?
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Rucknium[m]
<Siren[m]> "Why is MAGIC funding this guy???" <- MAGIC isn't funding mj. MAGIC is hosting the fundraising campaign for others to fund. If others don't fund it, then that's the end of it.
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ofrnxmr[m]
The unlock time?
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spacekitty420[m]
yeah
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Rucknium[m]
spacekitty420: Yes. Let me pull up the GitHub issue...
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ofrnxmr[m]
Id prefer to see that gone long before seraphis (if we have a HF before that)
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erembax[m]
> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Probably just need to wait for connections. It should still ve running, unless you closed it.
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erembax[m]
>
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erembax[m]
> sudo systemctl status monerod
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erembax[m]
Don't have a monerod.service anymore. Let me try to create on with what I can find online and if it doesn't work I'll come back for help
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spacekitty420[m]
that's so weird it was still there, like saying it been years that people were saying to NOT use it...
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ofrnxmr[m]
Ping us in #monero:monero.social when you get back. Probably a better place for that convo
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Rucknium[m]
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spacekitty420[m]
ty <3
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Siren[m]
<Rucknium[m]> "MAGIC isn't funding mj. MAGIC is..." <- Let's me rephrase it then, if I were MAGIC I wouldn't host the fundraising campaign with him involved.
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Siren[m]
* Let me rephrase it then, if I were MAGIC I wouldn't host the fundraising campaign with him involved.
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selsta
13:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> He did, but he brought up mj and atomic swaos <-- what's this about?
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selsta
is there a link?
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Rucknium[m]
Siren: Leave feedback in Discord please:
discord.gg/YH7kFuREKY
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ofrnxmr[m]
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Siren[m]
Rucknium[m]: Ugh Discord, I'd rather ping some people here who are committee members as far as I know.
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Siren[m]
I'm not gonna sign up for some malware
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Siren[m]
That is stupid
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spacekitty420[m]
:tinfoil:
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Rucknium[m]
Ok, then email
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Siren[m]
Sure
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Rucknium[m]
infoโmo
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Siren[m]
Found it already
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Rucknium[m]
I recused myself from the mj decisions. That's why I suggested talking to the committee as a whole
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Siren[m]
Many people in the Monero community already commented on this topic and provided valid concerns
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Siren[m]
It will not be much, probably a TLDR and a compilation of links.
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Rucknium[m]
A likely outcome is: the campaign is not funded. mj doesn't complete the work. OSPEAD has certain blind spots that can diminish user privacy (but it will still be much better than it is today). I did everything I could. I'm just trying to get on with the people's business here.
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ofrnxmr[m]
I think we need to start at home
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Siren[m]
They shouldn't be this disconnected from the community or CCS
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ofrnxmr[m]
Ultimately, magic is a separate entity from monero and can do whatever they went. Mj get away with whatever he wants here, at home. We should focus on that before calling the kettle black
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ofrnxmr[m]
As long as mj gets paid and never loses a battle, there is no grounds to say hes a scammer. The scammers are those paying him in the face of evidence
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Rucknium[m]
I informed the rest of the committee of mj's CCS controversies at the time of the vote in August
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spacekitty420[m]
oh reminds me, curious if that council model thingy will still be a thing with haveno now that ercic left and cake is now involved, like, if the whole idea of it gon be scratch off or what... cause that would have been an additional source of funding for community dev
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ofrnxmr[m]
And since august, mj has 3 times tried to pull something else
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ofrnxmr[m]
Nothing haveno was ever guaranteed to us
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ofrnxmr[m]
We paid for a gui
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ofrnxmr[m]
The backend of haveno, the council, engine, paying monero, its all subject to whatever erciccione then, or cake now, feels like doing
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ofrnxmr[m]
I have more confidence in cake delivering. They have more to lose, and more to gain
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spacekitty420[m]
right so at the moment is basically just waiting what their stances are on those things, if they changing the model or not
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ofrnxmr[m]
The model is a fairy tale until it happens
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monerobull[m]
Rucknium[m]: My bad then ๐
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monerobull[m]
To be fair, I've voted under the assumption mj already had sponsors lined up since that's what they told us
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ofrnxmr[m]
Mj has sponsors bur begs for half of a milestone while endor is sick, demands pay within 2 weeks.. if you have sponsors, why do you need magic.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Maybe for a tax deduction? Lol
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spacekitty420[m]
that was the idea being magic and why it was also proposed to sarang work, tax deductible and whatnot
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spacekitty420[m]
s/being/behind/
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spacekitty420[m]
not eryone doing the whole larp tax evasion thingy o.o
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monerobull[m]
Magic has the ability to take donations in & pay out fiat, removing the problem of volatility for people that feel the CCS isn't right for them
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spacekitty420[m]
oh, there's also the option to have the thingy in stable coin or whatever while ccs doesnt do that
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spacekitty420[m]
and mj did mentioned the loss of value of xmr on his solopt thingy
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Siren[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: Because he's lying
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monerobull[m]
No, we can do actual fiat transfers
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ofrnxmr[m]
Mj lost money on solopt.... well, he made extra on dev ccs
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monerobull[m]
This whole magic fud is messing with my reputation ๐ญ๐ข
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ofrnxmr[m]
Easy come, easy go
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ofrnxmr[m]
Nah, youre good in my books
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ofrnxmr[m]
Dont worry, ill come join you when a seat opens
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monerobull[m]
Next election in January i think
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Rucknium[m]
IIRC, deverick, Csilla, and monerobull are up for re-election. Here's the list of voters if anyone wants to start their campaign early:
magicgrants.org/funds/monero/monero_fund_voters
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Siren[m]
<Siren[m]> "Because he's lying" <- Someone has shit ospec
github.com/EnjoMitch/EnjoLib
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Rucknium[m]
I think the list of voters will expand once we get cloer to the election
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Siren[m]
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Rucknium[m]
closer*
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monerobull[m]
Siren[m]: What do you mean?
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monerobull[m]
Because mj contributed to that or am I missing something
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ofrnxmr[m]
He claimed ooo doxxed him, but his info is public
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Siren[m]
Lol you realized too?
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Siren[m]
Oddly same desktop environment and xterm configuration
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nioc
someone asks here "guys can anyone help me its not monero related" and ofrnxmr[m] sends him to #monero
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nioc
smh
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ofrnxmr[m]
It was monero related though?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Trying to get their node to run on boot
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nioc
no b4 that
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nioc
"its not monero related"
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ofrnxmr[m]
I dont remember
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nioc
8-9 hrs ago
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nioc
anyway, gm
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ofrnxmr[m]
Probably why I dont remember ๐ฅน
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ofrnxmr[m]
Gm. Hows my throne?
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nioc
good thx
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plowsof
reading ๐ Siren added A/AAAA for monerodevs just this second, thanks!
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ofrnxmr[m]
plowsof: I think you have to do the www.monerodevs.org too (monerodevs.org works, but not www.)
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plowsof
as ccs coordinator i've recommended mj be paid for his hours of milestone3 and of milestone4 on solopt
repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/299
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ofrnxmr[m]
I 1000000% disagree
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ofrnxmr[m]
That means he is done with the project. Thats a breach of the proposal, period. Asinine
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ofrnxmr[m]
You dont get to own the project and then leave before its finished and call it a day
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ofrnxmr[m]
And we already rejected the half payment of m3 over a month ago. Thats a dead subject
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ofrnxmr[m]
If mj was endor, I could understand. Meaning, if mj was the employee who was "still allowed" to work on it
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ofrnxmr[m]
But mj himself, in the initial proposal, guaranteed he would deliver without endor.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Now hes made it clear that this is and MJ project, and endor is only "allowed" to take oart
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ofrnxmr[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: ^ no comment?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Im sure everyone remembers
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plowsof
one reason for rejecting m3 was that the project would not be finished, the project is now "completed" in the sense that you can now control a mining rig with external information (provided by sensors) with "initial setup effort". a dev tax was added, and now its removed. endor can finish without help and will provide "optional" features that build upon the existing functionality
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ofrnxmr[m]
The project isnt completed until endor is finished. Stop making excuses for mj
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selsta
what was his explanation for the dev tax scam attempt? was he "overworked" and added it "by accident"?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Word games
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ofrnxmr[m]
"Pay me, its completed"
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ofrnxmr[m]
You find the dev tax
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ofrnxmr[m]
"Just a release candidate. Calm down"
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ofrnxmr[m]
And once again.
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ofrnxmr[m]
this is mj's project and product.
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ofrnxmr[m]
He is NOT going to do the homeassistsnt stuff, so the project is NOT done
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ofrnxmr[m]
selsta: Ni
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ofrnxmr[m]
He blamed me
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ofrnxmr[m]
Said I told him to do it ๐๐๐๐๐
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ofrnxmr[m]
Then he also said, in the same sentence that it was an accident.
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plowsof
secretly putting *=2 , with a default donate level set to 2 elsewhere, then another instance of it set to 40 meant that if you used solopt when he said it was completed you'd have 80% 3 "mistakes"
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ofrnxmr[m]
Somehow typed donate level 40 and pushed a commit by accident
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ofrnxmr[m]
And Plowsof wants to pay this fool
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ofrnxmr[m]
๐ฅน
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ofrnxmr[m]
I bet mj wishes pimping was this easy in the real world. Probably why he has to take advantage of random people online
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plowsof
the CCS should not get involved with these things as its a slippery slope, this will be used for the next time mj wants to obtain further funding
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ofrnxmr[m]
plowsof: and selsta: the dev tax is just more noise though.
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ofrnxmr[m]
The fact surrounding the payment are simple. Mj made promises in his proposal, paying him breaks them.
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ofrnxmr[m]
plowsof: Plowsof r u insane
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ofrnxmr[m]
This was the exact line of reasoning when we paid his final milestone of his scamming dev ccs
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ofrnxmr[m]
Taking double dipping a whole new level
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ofrnxmr[m]
And yes, ccs should be involved
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ofrnxmr[m]
Those funds belong to the community until the proposal milestones are completed
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ofrnxmr[m]
Mj is entitled to not a motherfucking thing aside from the initial conditions of the proposal, which say he guarantees he will finish it himself
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ofrnxmr[m]
"Should Endor not make it until the deadline, I guarantee, that I will finalize the project by myself until the coming winter."
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ofrnxmr[m]
He even gave it its own paragraph
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Rucknium[m]
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ofrnxmr[m]
"Despite all that, Endor STILL isn't banned from my project and can STILL collect his own money for M2 and for his part of M3. But as I said: thanks to me, my planning and over a decade long experience in IT, the project can run without his optional tools and he can now take his time to finalize his parts. Neither me, nor the donators cannot be forced to wait indefinitely, whatever the reason or excuse is."
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ofrnxmr[m]
Clown show
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ofrnxmr[m]
M4 = m123 are finished
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selsta
Rucknium[m]: last time mj replied to me he went on an unhinged conspiracy theory rant so I try to avoid his posts now
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selsta
ofrnxmr[m] did summarize it up now, it's about what I expected
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plowsof
the explanations are for the public to make their own minds up about, i feel the same way, mj can deal with the consequences to his reputation of his behaviour. my opinion is that there is no explanation for that dev tax
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ofrnxmr[m]
The dev tax is irrelevant. Noise. Stop paying so much attention to the cherry on the ice cream
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ofrnxmr[m]
There's an elephant in your kitchen
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ofrnxmr[m]
There was no dev tax a month ago, what diff does it make? He was still trying to cash out early, against the proposal.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Its not like
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ofrnxmr[m]
"Try again next month. Maybe ill change my mind"
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ofrnxmr[m]
Next month changes mind
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ofrnxmr[m]
Ive said before, I'll say again.
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ofrnxmr[m]
1. He gets paid as proposed. M3 when m3 is done, and m4 for the final delivery
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ofrnxmr[m]
2. He kicks and scream while we CLOSE the proposal as it
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ofrnxmr[m]
As is
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plowsof
the ccs is cancelling people for their personal opinions and political beliefs omgomg
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ofrnxmr[m]
So scary
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ofrnxmr[m]
Spirobel did did, and would ve more correct in saying so
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ofrnxmr[m]
Mj is a scammer. And is getting CLOSED, not cancelled
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maria_rodriguez[
Start small with a minimum of $50 for BITCOIN MINING, answer YES to be added ๐๐๐
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maria_rodriguez[
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alpharabius[m]
What is mj
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alpharabius[m]
maria_rodriguez: delete ur phone
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ofrnxmr[m]
And it has nothing to do with his shiny his tin foil hat is and everthing to do with his repeated attempts to break ccs proposals and breach trust
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alpharabius[m]
๐๐๐
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ofrnxmr[m]
Mj is 2 year long, ccs paid monero dev who spent more time counting hours than doing work
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ofrnxmr[m]
And got paid while he went around Reddit making himself look like a great guy, garnering bullshit support
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alpharabius[m]
The ccs idea is good, but it needs to be reformed imo
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ofrnxmr[m]
Its not about if its a good idea. Its about if the developer is delivering what they promised
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alpharabius[m]
Scammer after Scammer seems to show up
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ofrnxmr[m]
And mj tried to walk away after adding an 80% skimmer
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alpharabius[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: *the way it's done
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ofrnxmr[m]
Thats why haveno was smart
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ofrnxmr[m]
They didnt make any solid promises. Just said a bunch of pretty sounding things
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alpharabius[m]
I hear abt a scammer abusing ccs every couple of days now
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ofrnxmr[m]
You're hearing about the same one
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alpharabius[m]
I even fear for my idea because someone scammed you guys with the same idea๐๐๐
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ofrnxmr[m]
Just today, the talk is that they want to pay him
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ofrnxmr[m]
Go for it alpha
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ofrnxmr[m]
Is scamming is this easy, ill support yourbidea
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alpharabius[m]
*not the SAME idea
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alpharabius[m]
Just the archiving aspect
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ofrnxmr[m]
If you cant deliver, just call cry on Reddit about how mean people are and Luigi will send your money
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alpharabius[m]
Who's luigi
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ofrnxmr[m]
The person who pays you
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nioc
if you don't know who luigi is, do you even monero?
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ofrnxmr[m]
He's just a puppy
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alpharabius[m]
nioc: Yes, i monero
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alpharabius[m]
Boutta get all my cash turned into xmr
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plowsof
the community have sponsored a campaign to expose mj's behaviour to a wider audience
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nioc
yet you ask who is luigi
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plowsof
i am thankful
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ofrnxmr[m]
๐๐ hahahaha mj paid for that himself
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alpharabius[m]
I'm not in the community like that, i only just started being more active
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ofrnxmr[m]
Nobody exposed him. He wrote his own dev report, made those commits, comments and posts all by himself
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nioc
he has been around since day 1
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nioc
I have attended more community meetings than anyone here, when do I get paid?
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ofrnxmr[m]
When you become a scamming dev
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nioc
ofrnxmr said it's ok to get paid for attending meetings
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ofrnxmr[m]
Just bill for the hrs and nobody will say anything
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ofrnxmr[m]
Actually, they will say something, but they'll pay you anywau
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ofrnxmr[m]
If definitely is ok to get paid to attend meetings.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Ive never been to a business meeting IRL where I wasnt paid
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alpharabius[m]
Bro's making ca$h mone3y
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selsta
the meeting hours wasn't the issue with mj
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ofrnxmr[m]
But its not ok to say "im going to review prs" then you dont, and you bill 15 + hrs for meetings
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ofrnxmr[m]
And 13+ hrs for counting hours
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selsta
3h to review a readme change
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alpharabius[m]
I need 2 go 2 more me3e3tings
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midipoet
The solarminer thingy works as it is supposed to, or not?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Not
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nioc
yes bigger issue is not doing the work that was billed for
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alpharabius[m]
Or just be more active in general
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ofrnxmr[m]
According to endor you need a particular setup
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ofrnxmr[m]
nioc: he was very bold and honest about not doing the work.
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ofrnxmr[m]
He listed 7760 as somethigb he reviewed, and he literally was just shitposting and had no idea what he was talking about
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nioc
there is an actual town in Alaska named deadhorse
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ofrnxmr[m]
Just mj giving us the middle finger like "youre all going to pay me for this, so fuck you anyway"
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nioc
need to make a bulletpoint post :)
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nioc
then easy to C&P lol
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alpharabius[m]
C&P????
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spacekitty420[m]
copy and paste
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alpharabius[m]
I was thinking about a different one
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alpharabius[m]
chocolate pizza ofc
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nioc
when next community meeting?
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nioc
on IRC it says 16:00 UTC Saturday 24th
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spacekitty420[m]
its 15 utc right now
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midipoet
If the solarminer thingy sort of works, but couldn't be completed to the initially agreed specs, for reasons x, y, or z, can we not just pay a percentage/proportion of the remaining payouts? Something like 50-75%?
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spacekitty420[m]
so in 1 hour?
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selsta
I've lost all understanding of timezones with the recent daylight savings change
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spacekitty420[m]
oh wut
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spacekitty420[m]
we saturday 26th, not 24th.. :hyperthonk:
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spacekitty420[m]
selsta: utc doesnt do daylight change
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selsta
right but converted to my local time
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nioc
proper C&P >> 16:00 UTC Saturday 24th September
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spacekitty420[m]
selsta: u add 1 less hour than your were doing during summer
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nioc
oh meeting in 1 hr? I have to go out :(
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nioc
let's see what I can do
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ofrnxmr[m]
midipoet: no, because mj is a liar who wont admit that
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spacekitty420[m]
midipoet: tbh, u prob could do a whole netflix series with that solopt saga....
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ofrnxmr[m]
According to mj, solopt is complete as is, with the 80%dev tax and release candidate tag
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spacekitty420[m]
it's been edited out and now is officially the official release on the repo
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selsta
I find it funny that he attacked me because I said he removed the code
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selsta
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selsta
> 72 deletions
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ofrnxmr[m]
And midipoet: why would we do that, when mj can sit his ass down, stfu, and wait for endor or complete endor part, as he had guaranteed he would do
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alpharabius[m]
Today is an important day for me
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ofrnxmr[m]
First meeting?
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Siren[m]
There's a community meeting today??
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ofrnxmr[m]
I thought it was next week, I dont know ๐ฅน let me check
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Siren[m]
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Siren[m]
It should be next week
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Siren[m]
Got me worried for a second
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Siren[m]
I'm out to see the Christmas tree lit up
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Siren[m]
s/lit/light/
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ofrnxmr[m]
Shouldn't be til next week
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spacekitty420[m]
nioc: paypal should steal $2.5k from u for spreading misinformation about meeting time
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ofrnxmr[m]
Nioc wants an extra meeting so he can get paid
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Siren[m]
<ofrnxmr[m]> ""Despite all that, Endor STILL..." <- Guys I think his decade old experience in IT happened in Lidl tech support
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ofrnxmr[m]
"Neither me, nor the donators"
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nioc
lol I was just making arrangements so that I could attend
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ofrnxmr[m]
Um. Whhat are the donators waiting for ๐๐ , their 80% skim
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ofrnxmr[m]
If the software is "working", the donators are waiting for the proposal to be completed
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alpharabius[m]
<Siren[m]> "
monero.observer/tag..." <- Did u see i got on da site?
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ofrnxmr[m]
And once again. If mj want to split the ccs into "no home assistant release candidate" vs "with home assistsnt working on an array on devices" then we should not be paying him, but he should be opening a new proposal for _that_ product.
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ofrnxmr[m]
(Mj only had 3 panels and a couple calcium batteries. Last time I checked. Not something an actual farm or a real setup can configure easily. He makes pretty charts though)
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Siren[m]
> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> And once again. If mj want to split the ccs into "no home assistant release candidate" vs "with home assistsnt working on an array on devices" then we should not be paying him, but he should be opening a new proposal for _that_ product.... (full message at <
libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…5f571c11c21a44dd56a8533a52c5c6cfc6a>)
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Siren[m]
<ofrnxmr[m]> ""Neither me, nor the donators"" <- Which donators tho?
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ofrnxmr[m]
All the ones using and testing the rc
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ofrnxmr[m]
Production ready, lfg
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ofrnxmr[m]
Thats endor replying to mj
-
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ofrnxmr[m]
Says Fkn who?
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ofrnxmr[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: "Mj said it was optional, so now he can get paid for it and not deliver it"
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ofrnxmr[m]
Facepalm
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ofrnxmr[m]
"One arguement for witholding m3"
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ofrnxmr[m]
Is quite clear
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ofrnxmr[m]
M3 in definitively incomplete
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ofrnxmr[m]
Which is literally mentioned in the next bullet point. Only now, the first bullet is optional
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spacekitty420[m]
so is this what the unofficial meeting be like? o.o
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spacekitty420[m]
we should make a drinking game when ofrnxmr talking about mj or somethin
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spacekitty420[m]
making it fun u know :3
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chesterfield[m]
Wait I thought we were all already playing the drinking game??
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chesterfield[m]
Iโm drunk
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spacekitty420[m]
๐น
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ofrnxmr[m]
As far as im concerned this topic was settled s long tine sgo
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ofrnxmr[m]
I dont went to waste another second of a meeting on not following through
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chesterfield[m]
Is solxmr on home assistant already
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ofrnxmr[m]
If we say moon has 7 days, why are we waiting 4 weeks
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ofrnxmr[m]
chesterfield[m]: No
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spacekitty420[m]
not yet, it's endor00 part to do it, currently delayed
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ofrnxmr[m]
If we say "no", how does that flip to a yes a month later with no other changes except for an added and removed dev tax
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spacekitty420[m]
and mj saying it's just optional and that its whatever...
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ofrnxmr[m]
spacekitty420[m]: Endor or mj part** mj is free to do the work, as he guaranteed he would
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ofrnxmr[m]
Somehow guarantee = optional
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ofrnxmr[m]
spacekitty420[m]: And Plowsof cosigning that statement. Ridiculous
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ofrnxmr[m]
When endor, in big bold letters called out his own partner for fucking around and trying to skip dirty hacks
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ofrnxmr[m]
Ship*
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ofrnxmr[m]
Of course, endor didnt call mj out until mj publicly tried to claim endors pay
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spacekitty420[m]
am not familiar with the home assistant at all but the other day when looked it up, it was on github, fully opensource and whatnot but apparently someone mentioned that it still interact with homeassistant centralized servers for example, like, i :tinfoil: u know, so like, sure it's opensource but when it calls home and sending data to servers outside of your own thingy then that's not ideal either
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spacekitty420[m]
everyone having their own setups tho... so if "most people" do use that home assistant, then it shouldnt be optional imo, even if it does call home and whatnot
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ofrnxmr[m]
Without it, solopt doesnt work as advertised
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spacekitty420[m]
right
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ofrnxmr[m]
I dont know if it calls home etc, but fkn monerod calls home lol
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ofrnxmr[m]
But if you have a real solar setup, I highly doubt you manage it manually
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spacekitty420[m]
but mj had that :tinfoil: statement (to which i can somewhat agree to some extent) regarding that it doesnt fit the :tinfoil: standard (even if being opensource) and was the reason why he sayin it's optional cause not up to those standards
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ofrnxmr[m]
The script stuff works for mj because he has 3 panels and a couple batteries
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spacekitty420[m]
yeah there was also that part that endor noted it had to be tweaked manually by each users depending on their own setup, which, fuck that, can't expect users to do that type of work while it can already be automated from the software
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ofrnxmr[m]
Some history of mj's last visit
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spacekitty420[m]
may 30th, jfc dude.... LOL
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alpharabius[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: Ping him
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spacekitty420[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: tbh... i can't be bothered reading yet an other of those wall of texts.... i mean, u saw that reddit thread from few days ago that was just text for the sake of text and could have been literally just 1 smol sentence of tldr....
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ofrnxmr[m]
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aremor[m]
Iโm not sure this issue should be getting this much attention
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spacekitty420[m]
<spacekitty420[m]> "midipoet: tbh, u prob could do a..." <- this.
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ofrnxmr[m]
aremor: It shouldn't.
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ofrnxmr[m]
But everytime I close my eyes, a scammer takes a bite and yall let em
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aremor[m]
Itโs been consuming conversation, Reddit and here, for a week or two. I donโt know if anything productive is coming out of the conversation
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ofrnxmr[m]
^^ thats the point
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ofrnxmr[m]
Mj demanded payment, and has hit every platform to force Luigi and Plowsof to pay him
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ofrnxmr[m]
This was an EASY one. The answer is no
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ofrnxmr[m]
Call me when m3 is done
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selsta
aremor[m]: he is literally asking for funding, not saying anything would be unfair to all donators
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ofrnxmr[m]
Instead, its a bunch of noise about the specific details of each infraction
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aremor[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: Interestingly I didnโt see any of that until this room went into an uproar to disclose their history.
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aremor[m]
Without the uproar, is there any chance he was going to get paid?
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aremor[m]
If not, we could have left it alone
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aremor[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: This
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ofrnxmr[m]
Yes, 100% chance
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ofrnxmr[m]
Thats why im disappointed af right now
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ofrnxmr[m]
The only reason he hasnt been paid yet, is because im not the only one unhappy
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aremor[m]
selsta: I agree. I think itโs been publicized a lot by now
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ofrnxmr[m]
I dont think anyone who has paid any attention is actually on board with sending the payment for ANY reason other than to quiet the noise / comfort
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spacekitty420[m]
plowsof: good morning
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ofrnxmr[m]
Aka the exact same reason as his exit pay from the dev community
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spacekitty420[m]
โ๏ธ
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ofrnxmr[m]
We started the meeting without you
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ofrnxmr[m]
Nioc is chairing
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spacekitty420[m]
nioc said he couldnt attend
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ofrnxmr[m]
Get it.. lazyboy..
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nioc
I changed things around for a meeting that wasn't
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nioc
#clueless
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aremor[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: Does the solar mining stuff work minus the dev tax?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Supposedly, but according to endor it doesnt work properly (measuring batteries after a reboot etc)
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spacekitty420[m]
according to endor, it works on mj setup at mj's house
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nioc
there is a meeting at #monero-events at 18:00 UTC
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aremor[m]
Ok. Needs review.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Selsta started and found the dev tax
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ofrnxmr[m]
And then mj attacked selsta
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ofrnxmr[m]
My momma always taught me, if you get bullied, just give em your lunch money
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spacekitty420[m]
my momma always taught me, if you get bullied, just give em a handjob
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spacekitty420[m]
i mean, what?
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ofrnxmr[m]
If they come back, let em take your shoes
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ofrnxmr[m]
Whatever you do. Never punch a bully in the mouth /s
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aremor[m]
meh such a messy situation
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Inge
anyone have the URL to seth's website?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Sethforprivacy.com probably
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Inge
sounds about right. thanks
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ofrnxmr[m]
aremor: its only messy because we literally enable it
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ofrnxmr[m]
We pay the guy to keep it going
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aremor[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: Knowing all the facts, Ruckinum still wants to work with him?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Why would you stop, with a 90% success rate
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plowsof
a tradesman will never accept the work of fixing someone elses problem (i understand why ๐)
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spacekitty420[m]
>A likely outcome is: the campaign is not funded. mj doesn't complete the work. OSPEAD has certain blind spots that can diminish user privacy (but it will still be much better than it is today). I did everything I could. I'm just trying to get on with the people's business here.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Ruck needs someone to work with. I dont know how he truly feels on the situation, but if I was him id 1) find someone else 2) or id watch mj closely and not allow him to take a single breath in the wrong direction
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plowsof
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nioc
Inge: pleas ebe aware that seth has left all monero irc channels and is no longer that active
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ofrnxmr[m]
Whats to discuss about it
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plowsof
what benefit will with holding mj's pay have now that endor can finish without his help
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plowsof
it would only have a negative effect on endors ability to complete his end
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aremor[m]
plowsof: It doesnโt need a benefit. Might just be the right thing to do
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plowsof
their working relatioinship is over. there is no "help your team mate get over the finish line" as we once thought
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ofrnxmr[m]
There is no working relationship
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ofrnxmr[m]
There is mj making guarantees
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ofrnxmr[m]
And trying to walk away from the project without making good on them
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ofrnxmr[m]
Endor in irrelevant, as mj said
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spacekitty420[m]
like, at this point wouldnt the best outcome would juts be to get it done with the solopt thingy, close that saga and coming forward just not rush into funding his new proposals? (well, he still have that magic thingy going but still..)
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plowsof
at the moment mj has completed 40% of milestone 3 and milestone 4
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ofrnxmr[m]
He's just "allowed to contribute to mjs project"
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plowsof
if my maths are correct*
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ofrnxmr[m]
Aka, milestone 3 is done when its done
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ofrnxmr[m]
When milestone 3 is 100%, mj can claim the funds and pay endor his share
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ofrnxmr[m]
Its mj's proposal and mj's milestone
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ofrnxmr[m]
The whole ccs is mj's
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plowsof
with holding mj's pay serves only as a punishment because "he hurt our feelings"
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Inge
nioc: any idea of why?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Right out of his mouth
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ofrnxmr[m]
Cmon bud
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ofrnxmr[m]
I dont give a fuck about nj
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ofrnxmr[m]
I cross t's and for i's
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ofrnxmr[m]
I didnt even get along with endor
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ofrnxmr[m]
My feelings dont get hurt. Mj is flattering me with ooo comparisons
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ofrnxmr[m]
This is BUSINESS
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ofrnxmr[m]
Mj is trying to make it seem like I dont want to pay him for some reason aside from 1+1=/=17
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nioc
Inge: he is working with some btc entity now
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nioc
steady income I guess
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ofrnxmr[m]
The punishment side if things is - if you dont STOP FUCKING AROUND yeah, we'll walk away.
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ofrnxmr[m]
The business side if things is STOP TRYING TO UNDERMINE YOUR CONTRACT WHEN YOURE LITERSLLY TRYING TO ROB PEOPLE
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nioc
with/for
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ofrnxmr[m]
"Ok.. ill stop trying to Rob people.. can I undermine my contract now?"
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ofrnxmr[m]
"A month ago, I said no. Now.. I guess we can do it. Sorry for making you wait! We could have paid you a month ago"
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aremor[m]
<plowsof> "at the moment mj has completed 4..." <- Iโm guessing finish the review, pay out accordingly, maybe some deductions for the death threat, tardiness, and treachery, and be done with it.
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aremor[m]
I wouldnโt recommend funding in the future. Anything already in progress is just the cost of doing business (life lessons; shit happens) but also try to make sure no one is reliant on that person again in the future
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ofrnxmr[m]
Aremor
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ofrnxmr[m]
We did that with his last ccs
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ofrnxmr[m]
Paid him to rip us off on Hus way out the door
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plowsof
heres your money . you're not welcome back
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ofrnxmr[m]
And we knew we were paying him to rip us off, we just let it go because "last time"
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plowsof
leave endor in peace to complete
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ofrnxmr[m]
Nono
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plowsof
thanks
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ofrnxmr[m]
Reverse psychology on you broski
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ofrnxmr[m]
Mj is the last one standing
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ofrnxmr[m]
Thats the fucking proposal
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ofrnxmr[m]
No where in the proposal did ut say "ill complete my half and walks away"
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ofrnxmr[m]
It said "I will complete endors"
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plowsof
complete endors = im taking his hours = not happening
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ofrnxmr[m]
>_Should Endor not make it until the deadline, I guarantee, that I will finalize the project by myself until the coming winter._
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ofrnxmr[m]
That. Is. The. Proposal.
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aremor[m]
Good luck banning an ephemeral pseudonym though
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plowsof
i support selstas comment on the OSPEAD reddit thread regarding not providing more funding for mj
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ofrnxmr[m]
It does not matter WHO does the work. The proposal accounted for endor being unable and mj guaranteed he would complete
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plowsof
things happen, people have issues, the dealind has been scrapped. endors hours are protected. and mj has completed his hours
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ofrnxmr[m]
No mj has not completed his hours
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plowsof
the project will not benefit from witholding mj's pay for 1..2..3. month or however long it takes
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ofrnxmr[m]
Mj tried to ship a lemon last week, called it complete
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ofrnxmr[m]
plowsof: The project doesnt benefit at all from paying him
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aremor[m]
But also, might need some new guidelines in the CCS program if this process seems to lack clarity. Maybe payout penalties need to be codified. Treachery = ษฑABC fee. Death threat = ษฑ XYZ fee. Banned from community (bast case effort) = DEF offense.
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plowsof
im of the opinion the ccs should not take into account those things as its a slippery slope
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ofrnxmr[m]
Rotten is the only person who has to follow rules, cMon now
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ofrnxmr[m]
plowsof: I agree
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plowsof
those rules are nice until they are applied to someone you like
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ofrnxmr[m]
So why are we changing proposals because scammers wanna scam
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ofrnxmr[m]
What is this, politics?
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spacekitty420[m]
reading ofrnxmr having a skzyophrenic episode debating with those alt accounts is ๐ฏ <3
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ofrnxmr[m]
You run on one platform, get in office, and do the opposite
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aremor[m]
s/bast/best/
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ofrnxmr[m]
Fighting w my alter ego
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spacekitty420[m]
it's like that goku vs gohan episode in dragon ball super since is the same voice actress :P
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aremor[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: Then youโre saying you want to pay him thenโฆ.
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aremor[m]
Or either youโre saying donโt codify anything but fine him 100% of the remaining payout anyway?
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spacekitty420[m]
or the rick and morty episode with morty being split into all the npc character of roy o.o
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aremor[m]
plowsof: But rules are rules though
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ofrnxmr[m]
IDC about all that
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plowsof
i dont like mj but i must defend him for the greater good
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ofrnxmr[m]
1+1=2, are you delivering???
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ofrnxmr[m]
I dont want some 2 week long chat where try to sell me a bridge
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ofrnxmr[m]
Mj can do whatever tf he wants and rip off magic or eth or his wife, idc
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spacekitty420[m]
plowsof: nah fuck that, lets pitchfork ๐ฅ
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spacekitty420[m]
pitchfork or rito o.o
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ofrnxmr[m]
Greater good? What would that be
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ofrnxmr[m]
Scammerlivesmatter
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spacekitty420[m]
OSPEAD = greater good maybe, idk
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ofrnxmr[m]
The defense from mj, should come from mj
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ofrnxmr[m]
Mj has no defense. Just conspiracies
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aremor[m]
<nioc> "Inge: he is working with some..." <- What entity?
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plowsof
find seths reddit account and look
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ofrnxmr[m]
Plowsof is talking about funding solopt but not ospread!!!!
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ofrnxmr[m]
Fucking batshit
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nioc
I don't remember off hand
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ofrnxmr[m]
Dont fund solopt scamming, and maybe mj will ve more careful with ruck
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spacekitty420[m]
plowsof: the bitcoin wally thingy?
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Siren[m]
spacekitty420[m]: Probably, I just don't want mj to fuck it up
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nioc
it was some foundation
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ofrnxmr[m]
Fund him now and youre literally telling him "scamming is easy. Cant wait to fuck over ruck"
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Siren[m]
Piss off other core members/researchers/auditors he could potentially work with and then release a bullshit explanation instead of a valid report where he talks about how Ukraine is fake or some shit
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plowsof
if you want to list mj as a contributor to your ccs proposal i wish you the best of luck
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aremor[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: If you donโt want to pay him, it should be clarified in documents rules going forward so it doesnโt take a two week long debate if this happens again in the future, to know what to do
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ofrnxmr[m]
Thats what plowsof is here for
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ofrnxmr[m]
Nobody was managing anything before
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ofrnxmr[m]
Just Luigi paying scammers left right and center
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plowsof
The CCS is intentionally left as informal as possible. This allows for flexibility of the system, and keeps things from being red taped into oblivion.
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spacekitty420[m]
Siren: but ukraine kinda is fake tho.... their "president" literally been put in place by the americans and been doing their bidding ever since, the whole purpose of ukraine is to launder money for americans
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spacekitty420[m]
:tinfoil:
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nioc
what plowsof said
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ofrnxmr[m]
It doesnt need to be a rule
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alpharabius[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: Do i need to rizz up luigi to make him help me??
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ofrnxmr[m]
Its like saying you need a rule that you wont kill your kids
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ofrnxmr[m]
You dont need a rule that once your proposal is merged, you cant just fuck around and try to deliver a different product or change milestones without exceptions and consensus on those exceptions
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ofrnxmr[m]
Mj is out here TELLING you tl give him an exception
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ofrnxmr[m]
Like sorry Bud, the way it works is the way you proposed it
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ofrnxmr[m]
Now stop TELLIBG me what to do, and if you want to make a change, show up at the fucking meeting pussy
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ofrnxmr[m]
Ive said the same thing 300x.
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ofrnxmr[m]
If wanna pay him, go ahead
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ofrnxmr[m]
But thats some pathetic shit
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ofrnxmr[m]
Supposed to be unbiased and fair, but only scammers get away with scamming
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ofrnxmr[m]
Rules dont change the environment
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ofrnxmr[m]
Leaders do
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plowsof
he was exposed, it was fixed, endor can complete without him , enjoy the reputation
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ofrnxmr[m]
Fuck reputation
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ofrnxmr[m]
Mj built up a good on by lying. Who cares about your rep
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ofrnxmr[m]
Do whats correct, what makes people feel good and makes scammer shutup for another couple weeks
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alpharabius[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: Cryptocurrency beef is actually getting insane ngl
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ofrnxmr[m]
* whats correct, not what makes
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ofrnxmr[m]
And what is correct in my view? If I was in his shoes?
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ofrnxmr[m]
1. Id never had tried to do a silent merge request
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ofrnxmr[m]
Id come to a meeting and say "yo. This shit works pretty good but I cant spend any more time on it. M4 is complete, and my part of m3 us complete. Can I cash out m4 and when endor finishes m3 we'll release?"
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ofrnxmr[m]
Bur nah. Mj is a pos, so he says everything except for honesty
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ofrnxmr[m]
"Plowsof, youre not doing your job"
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ofrnxmr[m]
"Plowwwsoooffffffff is this what tour spend your time doing when the community pays you"
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ofrnxmr[m]
Fuck your rep
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ofrnxmr[m]
alpharabius[m]: Plowsof is my brother. No beef
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alpharabius[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: I mean you and mj
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ofrnxmr[m]
Mj is a waste of my time
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ofrnxmr[m]
No beef, id like to move on
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ofrnxmr[m]
I have nothing to say to people which try to sell me bullshit
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plowsof
i want to support endor now and move things forward
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ofrnxmr[m]
The simple way? /ignore mj
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ofrnxmr[m]
Follow the proposal
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plowsof
if endor was AWOL then yep, mj would need to finish the homeassistant stuff
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ofrnxmr[m]
Mj claims endor is just a lackie
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ofrnxmr[m]
So, as im saying, foot in mouth
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ofrnxmr[m]
He put himself in a position where it makes 0 sense to let the project manage, owner, and person who wants all the credit and funds, to walk away and let endor finish it
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ofrnxmr[m]
The proper way to handle that situation is to close the ccs
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ofrnxmr[m]
And have endor open a new one to add hone assistant to soloptxmr
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ofrnxmr[m]
Otherwise, thus is mj's abandoned ccs, that were going to pay him to abandon?
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plowsof
another 2 weeks of reddit/gitlab posts^ :D
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ofrnxmr[m]
Usually when you abandon something, you walk away without being 100% paif
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ofrnxmr[m]
If im strictly business, I wouldnt bend to his antics
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ofrnxmr[m]
If I wanted to be personal, id tell him straight up that I can and will move to close the ccs unpaid
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ofrnxmr[m]
Stop wasting my time
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ofrnxmr[m]
We have audits to do, bugs to fix
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ofrnxmr[m]
Angry wives
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ofrnxmr[m]
And IDC if its 2$ or $200k. Or if its fluffypony, mj, erciccione, jberman, selsta. If its Cake wallet or stack wallet, monerujo or shruum, I dont support bad business
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spacekitty420[m]
so where yall at regarding the firing then hiring C++ devs? o.o
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ofrnxmr[m]
Im tryna get in BF pockets
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spacekitty420[m]
did fuffy pawned the watch yet for new hirings?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Id rather devs > monero.com, but hey
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ofrnxmr[m]
Thats a rant for another day
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ofrnxmr[m]
spacekitty420[m]: For a domain name, maybe
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plowsof
so have we decided why monero uses 24 or 25 words for ledger yet
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ofrnxmr[m]
Nobody knows plowsof:
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nioc
cause ledger decided to do so?
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ofrnxmr[m]
I wonder where he is. I miss him
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plowsof
lol
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spacekitty420[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: domain name was cake... and vik also paid from own pocket the thingy for haveno that was on hold due to previous fuckup from ccs for the frontend thingy
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nioc
i m slo
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ofrnxmr[m]
nioc: Sir. Is this true? Do not kidding me. Sir?
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nioc
c a buv
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ofrnxmr[m]
spacekitty420[m]: BF wants to buy it from cake
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ofrnxmr[m]
nioc: please. Sir. Are you truth? Why 25 words instead of 12?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Sir??
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spacekitty420[m]
is BF a play on word GF (general fund / girlfren) > BF (boyfren)?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Binaryfate = generalfund
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spacekitty420[m]
oh!
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spacekitty420[m]
duh
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ofrnxmr[m]
Same sheit
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spacekitty420[m]
๐น
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spacekitty420[m]
i retarded
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spacekitty420[m]
since when tho?
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spacekitty420[m]
like.... it's in good hands rn.... thought everyone moved on from wanting to buy it from cake again
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ofrnxmr[m]
An "anon" donation showed up for 2500xmr
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ofrnxmr[m]
With intentions on buying monero.com
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ofrnxmr[m]
We will find out during one of those transparanfe reports
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ofrnxmr[m]
In public, sure
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nioc
need to pump price
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spacekitty420[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: yeah i remember that, even posted on reddit comment over there:
teddit.net/r/Monero/comments/x4i3ig…ro_general_fund/imwgc3f/?context=10
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spacekitty420[m]
but thought that consensus was just that it would be waste of money to do so...
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ofrnxmr[m]
Yep. But gf gonna spend wherever they choose and I hear nothing about hiring devs
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ofrnxmr[m]
Consensus doesnt matter
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ofrnxmr[m]
GF gonna do whatever gf wants
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ofrnxmr[m]
Thats why I said rant for anoter day.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Gotta wait and see what they do. They know what we want, but they gonna do what they want. Whether those views align, we shall see
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spacekitty420[m]
centralized af o.o
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ofrnxmr[m]
Extremely
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spacekitty420[m]
is literally a dictatorship
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ofrnxmr[m]
CCS we have oversight
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ofrnxmr[m]
GF is all about trust
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ofrnxmr[m]
BF has been good, I think, but its still all about trusting his judgement.
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ofrnxmr[m]
As selsta said, the gf hardly ever is spent from
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ofrnxmr[m]
And is usually for important infrastructure. Its probably not easy to deal with the community for such things
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plowsof
do we request an updated general fund transparency report
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aremor[m]
<ofrnxmr[m]> "Gotta wait and see what they do...." <- Who is โtheyโ? Only BF?
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alpharabius[m]
aremor[m]: BF?
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plowsof
#monero-site:haveno.network as per Ercicione: "is accessible from any server, if that's not the case there might be a issue somewhere"
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ofrnxmr[m]
In the room settings it doesnt appear to be published to social and matrix.org
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aremor[m]
<ofrnxmr[m]> "Binaryfate = generalfund" <- โ๐ป
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ofrnxmr[m]
aremor[m]: Bf is control, but I think the team decides... maybe.
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plowsof
yep Core
-
nioc
it's not like bF is making those decisions himself
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nioc
they work on infrastructure
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ofrnxmr[m]
Right
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nioc
we work on building morenero
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ofrnxmr[m]
Infrastructure cost less than building monero
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ofrnxmr[m]
GF gets spent on ccs occasionally, but we need more devs
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aremor[m]
How large is the GF?
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aremor[m]
(Trying to compare to the price of the domain)
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ofrnxmr[m]
Occasionally >> always
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ofrnxmr[m]
plowsof: do you have those numbers
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nioc
yes they donate to many of the CCS devs, ~30% of the request
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aremor[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: GF can open bounties
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aremor[m]
Some educational programs should be funded
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ofrnxmr[m]
Yeah, but... why are they talking about spending 2500 xmr on a domain
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plowsof
the transparency report is overdue, we can request / poke for it
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ofrnxmr[m]
Instead of putting up 10 x 250xmr bounties
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plowsof
if we care
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nioc
because that was what the donation was for, yet it hasn't happened yet
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ofrnxmr[m]
Thats bot his donations work ๐ฅน
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ofrnxmr[m]
Now how*
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ofrnxmr[m]
Unless its a political donation and youre getting favors ๐ฅน
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ofrnxmr[m]
Usually, a donation means you donate and the fund uses the money as needed
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ofrnxmr[m]
You dont get $100 donation and are told "you use that $100 to buy fake nails"
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aremor[m]
nioc: The donor maybe should have used a variant of the ccs process so that the spending was not up for debate
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spacekitty420[m]
not sure an updated transparency report would be that useful at the moment as opposed to just an actual discussion around that 2500 donation
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ofrnxmr[m]
^
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ofrnxmr[m]
aremor[m]: Or should have bought the domain and transferred it.
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aremor[m]
spacekitty420[m]: Transparency is always useful
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ofrnxmr[m]
Problem is, they only promise one, quarterly?
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ofrnxmr[m]
So we gotta wait again once we get one ๐
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nioc
except buying it is not doing so anonymously
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ofrnxmr[m]
Then back to option a, ccs
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aremor[m]
Thereโs no guarantee Vik would have sold to anyone else. I doubt he would have.
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nioc
like buying teslas lol
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aremor[m]
Only to the monero community
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nioc
they had the $$ lined up b4 opening that CCS
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spacekitty420[m]
for the teslas? when it was brought up again few days ago, i then remembered how weird it all went like fully funded even before anyone had a say in it ๐น
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spacekitty420[m]
aftermath was hillarious ๐ฟ
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ofrnxmr[m]
Merged in like 3 minutes
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ofrnxmr[m]
Now same shit, but cheap and slow
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nioc
spacekitty420[m]: yes, a "marketing" stunt
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nioc
aka pump eet
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ofrnxmr[m]
More like a fuckin scam
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spacekitty420[m]
eh, gotta have that adoption somehow :3
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nioc
it happens organically
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ofrnxmr[m]
His is dumping 1000 xmr for tesla gonna pump anything but tsla and doge
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ofrnxmr[m]
"I sold my xmr so Elon could buy doge"
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spacekitty420[m]
el salvador doing bitcoin chicken tender was more of a bold move rather than just "organic"
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nioc
1st monerokon 100 people, and one 200 people, next one 400 attendees
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spacekitty420[m]
organic chicken tenders.... ๐คค
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ofrnxmr[m]
Even the idea that 900 xmr would convince Elon to accept xmr is hilarious
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nioc
wasn't even gonna mention it
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nioc
s/and/2nd
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nioc
second one 200 people
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nioc
off to my next meeting
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aremor[m]
<spacekitty420[m]> "for the teslas? when it was..." <- Huh? Whatโs this story? lol
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rbrunner
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ofrnxmr[m]
892 xmr proposal was instance merged, and funded
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ofrnxmr[m]
Insta*
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alpharabius[m]
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nioc
I remember much discussion
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alpharabius[m]
Oh, i thought we were just posting ccs stuff
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aremor[m]
I gotta read this
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ofrnxmr[m]
"Unclaimed, leading to the general fund receiving them in the case of a failed proposal."
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ofrnxmr[m]
Yet the refunded
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ofrnxmr[m]
They*
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ofrnxmr[m]
A bunch of fuckery goes on around here
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plowsof
you're not allowed to hear about the tesla situation
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plowsof
pls dont look
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spacekitty420[m]
it's all actual conspiracies o.o
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alpharabius[m]
50 bands into thin air๐๐๐
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ofrnxmr[m]
More than that. Monero was more expensive at the time
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alpharabius[m]
Actually sad
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spacekitty420[m]
so expensive could have been the first tesla on the moon
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spacekitty420[m]
sponsored by spacex
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rbrunner
What, that episode made for excellent entertainment
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alpharabius[m]
Who are the guys in the ccs council
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ofrnxmr[m]
Council?
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aremor[m]
<rbrunner> "
ccs.getmonero.org..." <- ๐ so is this in progress?
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ofrnxmr[m]
It got refunded ^
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aremor[m]
Almost 2 years old. I never heard of this
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ofrnxmr[m]
Supoosedly
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rbrunner
The Tesla thing? No, long past.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Ya never know where the money actually went though. This is, monero
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alpharabius[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: Isn't there like a council or group of guys who approve proposals?
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rbrunner
Of course.
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rbrunner
The very people writing here right now?
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nioc
not enough drama, need to bring up old drama :D
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rbrunner
To quite some degree
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rbrunner
But for that proposal the usual mechanisms were defeated, it just plopped into existence fully funded already.
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alpharabius[m]
rbrunner: I want 2 get my proposal approved
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spacekitty420[m]
<monerobull[m]> "Btw can I say it's kinda cute..." <- ^ that's how 5 people deciding on the fate of those ccs proposals
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rbrunner
If it gets some positive comments, it will probably become one of the proposals to discuss in one of the next meetings
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monerobull[m]
Wait is there a meeting here right now
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plowsof
no
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rbrunner
Don't think so?
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spacekitty420[m]
monerobull: nah, sowry for ping, just quoted you for context
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alpharabius[m]
monerobull[m]: I wish
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aremor[m]
<ofrnxmr[m]> "Yet the refunded..." <- Very interesting. Guessing the amount of money was the reason given
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ofrnxmr[m]
No haha, just me talking too much
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monerobull[m]
Ok because plowsof is getting axed if we have multiple meetings at the same time /s
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plowsof
3rd december would be it (i usually give it a week before arranging one to avoid spamming meetings to meet ccs criteria)
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ofrnxmr[m]
Next week
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aremor[m]
rbrunner: Hmm who merged?
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rbrunner
I think that was a Monero Core Team venture, I guess no problem to get it merged.
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rbrunner
Or at least there was backing from the Core Team.
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rbrunner
Being in the Monero Core Team has benefits :)
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ofrnxmr[m]
Luigi
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rbrunner
Probably
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ofrnxmr[m]
He was told in advance
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ofrnxmr[m]
Centralized bullshit
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rbrunner
I take centralized bullshit once or twice a year over centralized bullshit all the time. Can't have it all.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Im not mad at him as a person, he has too much responsibility to be mad
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nioc
vik seemed to be a big part of it
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ofrnxmr[m]
For me* to be mad
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ofrnxmr[m]
Ie, hes also has to focus on more important stuffz like merges to the codebase
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aremor[m]
Whatโs the meeting happening now (somewhere else)?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Vik gonna be core soon
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monerobull[m]
Monerokon in events
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spacekitty420[m]
aremor[m]: event meeting
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ofrnxmr[m]
#monero-events:monero.social
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aremor[m]
Thanks!
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mrnaif
Hi! My open-source payment processor BitcartCC has now implemented monero support for our developer SDK and merchants solutions. You host it on your own server and can connect it to any daemon RPC or your own node.... (full message at <
libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…18c2d0303cbfce539257d43a75ea3fae8b6>)
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rbrunner
So programmed "around" monero-wallet-rpc somehow? How did you do this, told on a very high level of abstraction?
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mrnaif
If by programmed around you mean avoid, then yes (: Basically monero daemon provides a list of transactions each block. So I iterate over each transaction in each block and check if it belongs to any of the wallets loaded (possible via secret viewkey). Kind of a blockchain scanner
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mrnaif
Decrypting payment id code was re-created by me by looking at monero-wallet-rpc and wallet2 sources in python, that was a tedious part which wallet-rpc handled
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ofrnxmr[m]
Any idea if it works on arm?
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rbrunner
Interesting.
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mrnaif
ofrnxmr[m]: arm64 yes, we have ready docker images. arm32 - we dropped it's support but it's still supported if you run it manually
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rbrunner
Seems that if competent people don't shy away from doing serious work, good results can be achieved.
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ofrnxmr[m]
64 us fine.......... ill see if I can get it up and running on android
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ajs_[m]
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Siren[m]
MoneroPay also has no unlock time bug :))
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Siren[m]
<ofrnxmr[m]> "Any idea if it works on arm?" <- MoneroPay does, there's even an arm docker image
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Siren[m]
It compiles for riscv too
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mrnaif
But it works for only 1 wallet though (:
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Siren[m]
Yeah? Wallet rpc can only support one at a time
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Siren[m]
You are supposed to use subaddresses
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mrnaif
That's why we don't use it and support any number of wallets, that was my main goal
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ofrnxmr[m]
Dont fight guys, I hate you both equally โค๏ธ
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Hang on
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Courts now in session
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ofrnxmr[m]
How does bitcart do it? Multiple RPc wallets?
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Siren[m]
mrnaif: Well we need to support spending etc, we can't just simply scan
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mrnaif
ofrnxmr[m]: using daemon-rpc
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Siren[m]
Also you can just spin multiple instances of it lol
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Stnby[m]
Yeah but you should just use subaddresses
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Stnby[m]
See no point
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mrnaif
well main purpose is payment processing after all, spending can be done from a wallet. But I have some ideas to allow spending too in current approach
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Stnby[m]
So you are writing a new wallet rpc?
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Stnby[m]
If yes thank God
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Stnby[m]
As current one is a disaster
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mrnaif
Stnby[m]: Well we implement a set of commands all daemons follow
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mrnaif
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mrnaif
Full list here
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mrnaif
basically all coins we support all work with same set of commands
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mrnaif
no matter btc, eth or xmr
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mrnaif
Stnby[m]: initially I thought to use C++->python bindings (I will need to create those) on demand when payout is triggered. Some users tell we just need to account for received payments only hence we don't need to scan full state, but I don't know which way to pick yet
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Siren[m]
<mrnaif> "well main purpose is payment..." <- Initially we were writing MoneroPay for a casino so we wanted support transfers. And to save on fees by supporting batch transfers (you need to use the same wallet to have this) on user payouts. But it's useful for refunds etc so you don't have to manually initiate that.
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Siren[m]
* Initially we were writing MoneroPay for a casino so we wanted support transfers. And to save on fees by supporting batch transfers (you need to use the same wallet to have this) on user payouts. But it's useful for refunds etc too so you don't have to manually initiate that.
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mrnaif
I know, yeah. I just wanted to get this released because it required quite a big effort already, and continue improving it in next releases. We'll discuss further details with the community
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mrnaif
Because we also have a payouts UI which should ideally support monero too, but not yet
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Siren[m]
I wonder how having a python program deal with scanning for multiple wallets though
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Siren[m]
If you had many wallets for some reason
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Siren[m]
* I wonder how a python program would deal with scanning for multiple wallets though
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Stnby[m]
<mrnaif> "initially I thought to use C..." <- Its going to be written in Python?
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mrnaif
Siren[m]: What do you mean? They are loaded in memory, so each tx is checked against different private viewkeys
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mrnaif
What exactly? Bitcart is written in python
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mrnaif
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Stnby[m]
Oof
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Siren[m]
mrnaif: I mean like the resource usage when you scan for let's say hundreds of wallets
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mrnaif
It should be fine, because each wallet is not like 50 MB or so, it loads minimal needed data
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Stnby[m]
The only issue with me is Python
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plowsof
I remember python managing 400 wallets in 2 mins (with a block of 35 txs) pls confirm / dont trust my memory
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Stnby[m]
Would never use it just for that reason, otherwise seems fine
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plowsof
Checking for outputs belonging to an address *
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Siren[m]
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Siren[m]
Stnby[m]: Still better than that C# mess that is btcpay server
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mrnaif
Well, we could have used a different language, but after all the project is 3+ years and rewriting it all in e.g. go is a gigantic effort, and not always worth it
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mrnaif
Siren[m]: At least what we did right is that coins code is separate from payments processing
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Stnby[m]
C# a lot faster than Python xD
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mrnaif
each coin is a separate daemon
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Siren[m]
Stnby[m]: It is
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Siren[m]
But how do I deploy a C# application
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mrnaif
Trust me, in most cases it's network I/O and not language overhead
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Stnby[m]
Python is memory and cpu diarrhea of a language
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Siren[m]
How am I supposed to compile magic Micro$oft C in a jail
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mrnaif
plus heavy parts are already written in C
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mrnaif
with proper concurrent usage, it is fine
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Stnby[m]
mrnaif: It is language as well
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mrnaif
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mrnaif
Stnby[m]: not that much, at least I never met python bottlenecks anywhere even during high load
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Siren[m]
I did
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plowsof
The block explorerorer bas to be local. E.g. xmrchain wont let you make 400 requests in 2
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Stnby[m]
mrnaif: Every python user says this, I call that ignorance
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mrnaif
Well, I am open to tests
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mrnaif
That would help a lot
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Stnby[m]
Should have used a proper language
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Siren[m]
plowsof: I really don't see a point in using xmrchain against wallet rpc, they both use wallet2.cpp
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mrnaif
Stnby[m]: Well, re-write 10k lines of code for different currencies where only python and js has libs for it (:
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mrnaif
Siren[m]: we don't use xmrchain, yeah
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plowsof
Excuse my fingers on mobile
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mrnaif
I mean, it fetches blocks from RPC once, then just processes locally
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Siren[m]
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Siren[m]
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Siren[m]
Btw
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mrnaif
I mean for all currencies we support
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mrnaif
And all the features we have
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mrnaif
it is not feasible right now
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plowsof
400 addresses in 2 mins is good enough (if my test that i remember actually happened) i brainstormed with xmrstarter ?Zombie master) that uses same technique with monero python
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mrnaif
If you're interested, we can perform the tests, I just need the data for it
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plowsof
Generic xmr scanner on GH can handle thousands of. (c++)
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mrnaif
Each implementation is different, so we can test it too. I would love to do the tests
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mrnaif
I mean, if you told it to btcpay they wouldn't care because they don't care about anything other than btc anyway
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mrnaif
At least I am open to all communities
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plowsof
We love you xx
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mrnaif
Me too :D
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Stnby[m]
We would love to have an alternative to walletrpc :D
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Stnby[m]
I hate BTC and ETH hence we focus on XMR in MoneroPay
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mrnaif
I mean if you wonder how bitcart started, it was a similar thing: it was electrum wallet which CLI was too complex to use... (full message at <
libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…d1d992dac28c6c0c2d269f1b041723b299f>)
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Siren[m]
> <@plowsof:matrix.org> 400 addresses in 2 mins is good enough (if my test that i remember actually happened) i brainstormed with xmrstarter ?Zombie master) that uses same technique with monero python
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Siren[m]
>
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Siren[m]
I think our main instance of MoneroPay handles few thousand addresses currently. It's also blazing fast.
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Siren[m]
> <@mrnaif:matrix.org> I mean if you wonder how bitcart started, it was a similar thing: it was electrum wallet which CLI was too complex to use... (full message at <
libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…42150312d11788038c51176f66b4a3d7033>)
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Stnby[m]
Would like to see walletrpc in Go or Rust :D
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Stnby[m]
With better error handling as well
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Stnby[m]
As its literally crashware at this point
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mrnaif
Siren[m]: I see no point in arguing on this topic, but if you have some test data for me to test I would love to
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Stnby[m]
Run it on an SBC or a cheap VPS you will see
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Stnby[m]
Also docker images for python are giant
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mrnaif
bitcart min requirements are 1 GB ram
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mrnaif
Stnby[m]: by giant you mean how much?
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mrnaif
You need to know how to cook them (:
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Stnby[m]
mrnaif: 100+ MB
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Stnby[m]
mrnaif: I know
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Siren[m]
mrnaif: Can you even write tests in Python?
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mrnaif
Yes, not sure what's the question though
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Stnby[m]
mrnaif: Thats interesting
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Stnby[m]
Is it alpine?
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mrnaif
yes
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Stnby[m]
Also what py libs does it need to.pull?
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mrnaif
monero and aiohttp
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Stnby[m]
Have you tried PyPy as well?
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mrnaif
and universalasync
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mrnaif
only 3 deps
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mrnaif
Stnby[m]: no, the speed is good for now
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Stnby[m]
Try it should be a lot faster
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Stnby[m]
Good on your computer :D
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Siren[m]
mrnaif: I don't have some test data for you because our implementation is different.
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mrnaif
I mean, just addresses + viewkeys or whatever to test on
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Siren[m]
Make a script to create a bunch of wallets yourself idk?
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mrnaif
What the test conditions would be?
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mrnaif
Describe them, I will generate it
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mrnaif
(:
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Siren[m]
For us it's a bunch of post reqs go create payment requests
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mrnaif
same here
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Siren[m]
s/go/to/
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Siren[m]
Good for you then
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Siren[m]
Having to create them using wallet cli or something is pain
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plowsof
A block with average number? Of txs of 1 in 2 out i think? How many times can you check in 2~ mins?
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Stnby[m]
mrnaif: Will test it out
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Stnby[m]
Its just that I hate Python but maybe you know what youre doing
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mrnaif
Sorry guys, gotta go now, will check later and run it definitely. Will check later which conditions to execute on (:
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Stnby[m]
You probably know why we hate python
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mrnaif
Stnby[m]: I believe I do, I hope to
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Siren[m]
Stnby[m]: If it profoundly shits itself it won't recover
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mrnaif
Like in other network each block has 600+tx and block every 3 seconds, we process it pretty fast
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Siren[m]
Error handling is horrible in python
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Stnby[m]
Fuck pip
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Siren[m]
It won't do a clean exit
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Stnby[m]
I was playing with IRRd also written in Py and it was just a fucking painful week
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Siren[m]
Extremely resource intensive
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plowsof
400 every 2 mins without viewtags* python gets a bit of help now
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spackle_xmr[m]
I like Python. It is perfect for small projects/demos, but then again, I've never written Python code professionally.
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Siren[m]
Yeah IRRd isn't exactly that
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Siren[m]
It's a cancerous Internet Routing Registry server
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Siren[m]
I'm sure if it wasn't Python it would use 50-60% less resources