Hello

I have a question

Me too

The question is what is the question

I want to ask a question to find out what questions are being asked.

The question is whether to question or not to question.

Sir, I need to know.

A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer.

Ive learned that I like 23 better then 24 and 25

Than*

Better to have shamir unseal keys and spread them around the world.

Sir, I can use ledger for shamir unsealed keys? Please read carefully

is calyxos ok if i want to be completely a degoogled phone

(no need for microg or sandbox gservices)?

I use calyx. Without g-services. I'm okay with it. But you give up on certain things, e.g., not all apps' push notifications work. E.g., element works, but not K9 (for gmail) or protonmail. Seth has a good guide, but seems to be offline, so here is the one from archive: web.archive.org/web/20220817232010/…com/guides/installing-calyxos-linux

martin03

Or

But gos is best

<jozsef[m]> "I use calyx. Without g-services...." <- im ok with this , this is only for my secondary phone

There that micro-g thing (g-services shim) that allow more apps to work without using google blob, it's what I use

is investing in precious white metal better than bitcoin?

i want to invest in rhodium , 1oz of it cost 12k

while there is only 644,000 oz of it in the world

RavFX[m]: all my app work fine without microg

i only use my secondary phone for open a browser and a messenger

i love precious metal over bitcoin , is just safer :)

bitcoin isn't that bad either for store of value

<jozsef[m]> "I use calyx. Without g-services...." <- Element works because it supports [UnifiedPush](unifiedpush.org). You can use [fairmail](email.faircode.eu).

I also like K9

Is fairmail still developped? I did hear it was going to be axed because of google fud

FairEmail (Fully featured email client. Neat, intuitive user interface. Privacy friendly)

Last updated today

I love FairEmail

I have Graphene OS on my Pixel 9 Pro, but would never recommend this device to anyone :D

Buggy af

Ever try fluffychat?

(For matrix)

Horrible

I broke fluffychat within 15 mins from the time I installed it by trying to share my session key lol

Similar experience. Got it to work eventually but have been unable to receive messages unless I open the app, forcing a manual refresh

Stnby: know any _good_ device for Graphene OS?

Not sure, pixel 9 pro is my first and last Google device

The google support was horrifying

They said to factory reset the device to fix black screen of death, which also did not work out, Graphene is a little bit more stable than stock tho

It's because of the "Google required" push notification?

Nope worse

The phone screen goes black randomly and won't go away without a reboot

Even signal is more annoying to use without micro-g

Like you have to open it to see the new messages, than you receive 25 of them because you did not open it in 2 days

Signal is cancer

People keep thinking its some private ass bullshit

Use matrix, tox or session. There are no other options for private messaging

People use it because it’s easy to onboard normies

Imagine onboarding your mom to tox

whatsapp == signal == telegram

chesterfield[m]: I succesfully did to element

why bother unboarding your mom to yet another phone number activated proprietary service (uses proprietary libs)

s/unboarding/onboarding/

Siren[m]: Converted my workplace and friends too :D

Element is user friendly enough for a grandma

is r/monerojobs the main XMR jobs market, as it seems pretty dead?

Stnby[m]: Until it doesnt

Signal and whatsapp is also pain in the ass to use for a grandma

probably even bigger pain because you have to backup stuff and no useable pc client

Can you lose your encryption keys in signal like with matrix?

Yes

You can lose your signal keys

Ah ok

It's even worse if you want to use same signal account on multiple devices

Doesn't even work

Eww

Siren[m]: Or if you need to switch to a new phone

Notifications go through google's servers

Signal fine for famillia (especially when they already all use whatsapp) as then contact will auto-populate so no work needed really compared to onboarding them on matrix.

And if I where to onboard them on something that un-user friendly I ratter user XMPP for one to one conversations.

Use Tox giga chad

Terminal client

monerobull[m]1: Yes, if you change phone and don't use the backup function

Anyone remember early days of riot.im?

Siren[m]: That work just fine if you cheat and use something like titanium backup.

But yeah, one phone, many PC.

Ah yes

but do you need it on more than one phone?

🔥 💣️

Stnby[m]: We were like fuck this shit, let's migrate to telegram

💀

Siren[m]: That work just fine

Use backup function, put the two phone side by side, follow instructions

No, I managed to bork that too

Many people change phones when they die

Stnby[m]: noit going to onboard familia on Tox, they gonna lose there key constantly and forget who I am or something

RavFX[m]: It scans bluetooth or AP

If you go back and then retry it indefintely fails to find devices

s/indefintely/forever/

RavFX[m]: You are 494ca803103bfe1a5bf7434e15d4a9d34dbe64e29c88b598119deb1f043721430163ddbde76c898c600f6a6c93e58f04cf7fde4625f2e4eff88e4fcbcf78bac9, easy to remember...

Siren[m]: I wanted to debug what it is actually scanning for and if I can sniff anything

Ended up breaking the app

Thing is, to get rid of all social scams, I got to move fast.

So I got signal and left familia / normies friends one week notice before deletion of all social scams.

And surprisly most of them got signal, I'm sure I would have got a lower swap ratio using Matrix (as my experience on Matrix, it's my third account because the first home service vanished, the second did down sometime and when it do it's for more than a day...)

It was easier for me, just delete it with all of the friends

<Siren[m]> "It scans bluetooth or AP" <- It use some auto wifi thing, so you have to leave wifi on but disconnect / forget all network

I did it two time so far.

You can also backup you'se whole signal shit and import it on youre new phone

Isn't it just like in whatsapp

it have option for that, to save all stuff on a sdcard

Stnby[m]: whatsapp is closed source and owned by meta.

Meta do collect metadata

the protocol is the same but no one know what Meta did to it

Aren't newer versions of signal client also proprietary?

But Signal also collects metadata

<Siren[m]> "Ended up breaking the app" <- Try harder 😂

So far signal supposedly have only date of subscription, data of last connection (I think) and phone number.

And the best part is that it uses google firebase for notifications

and central server where they collect anything they want

phone number == kyc

Siren[m]: github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android

For a while in the past they delayed release of source code, I think it was related to the mobilecoin scam (like they did not want people know they where implementing that until release or something like that)

RavFX[m]: Telegram is also "Open Source"

Both use proprietary libs

does not matter

RavFX[m]: I don't believe anything after seeing what some companies pass as no-logging policy etc

Signal in no way needs your phone number to function its all a honeypot

Stnby[m]: sim cost 2$ from random convenient store

no ID needed.

IF phone number == kyc, move to a free country

Siren[m]: Yeah, assume they all spy on you, it's why I use Signal only for familia and normies friends lol

you need a 20 Eur phone bunch of cash to leave to a remote village plug the phone in actibvate

and then burn the phone

s/actibvate/activate/

also you have to buy phone from some random dude on <insert craigslist alternative> with cash

Confiscated goods shop

And then when you switch to a new device you have to go buy another sim and another phone :D

* another phone to activate it :D

Stnby[m]: Or flash new IMEI lol kernal.eu/posts/restoring-imei

Totally legal 100%

The question would be, what's the best normies friends/familia compatible program to use.

Can't be something complicated or you are going to lose half of them or more

email

Especially that you are asking them to all install another application on there phones

I think element nowadays is easy enough, more elegant than signal/whatsapp

Stnby[m]: Why not use the backup feature?

you won't have the sim card by then

IMEI work yeah, not for all phones but doable

Siren[m]: One issue is that across ios, android and fdroid releases the language options are inconsistent

Stnby[m]: Try having a video chat face to face with email

ios version is missing a few languages for some reason

Jitsi :D

RavFX[m]: hold my beer, nothing is better than Jitsi

no account needed :D

No app, no account

Siren[m]: If you use matrix.com homeserver.

I think it ask for SMS verification, right?

I just dont talk to people

No clue

like I said earlier, I went thru 3 homeserver before, imajin if the same think append to you're familia, they will abandon and delete the app lol

I created everyone accounts on my own homeserver

Stnby[m]: Yep, I plan to make a server eventually for that thing

s/think/thing/

Siren[m]: That work.

Dendrite

That require you to maintain a homeserver forever

is there something better that this unoptimized piece of heavyness that is synapse?

I also thought synapse was very heavy but it surprisingly isn't that resource hungry

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> That work.

> That require you to maintain a homeserver forever

> is there something better that this unoptimized piece of heavyness that is synapse?

matrix.org instance or a bunch of other ones from various communities works fine

At worst use ours XDD

Gonna have a dedicated server or something. Or disable the federation stuff so you're familia won't begin to enjoy Matrix from you're homeserver and join other big channel

Siren[m]: Will take a look at it, thanks

Still cheaper to host than a telegram crypto scam, discord nitro or selling yourself to Meta and google

Siren[m]: I wanted to send a screenshot of our grafana dashboard but it's broken wonder who broke it >:(

Stnby[m]: matrix.org need phone number SMS verification right.

I remember having tried matrix.org homeserver in the past and abandonned, I don't remember the exact reason

I do not think matrix.org needs phone number for anything. It is only an option. Email works too.

2018 is half a decade ago

Fancy dashboards

very fancy indeed

I used to have an alert set there

someone deleted it

More sexy dashboards

4 euro matrix server

+ whatever it costs for an extra mounted volume with all of the data probably another 4 Eur

s/+/plus/

signal is lame, all my homies use kchat over tor to chat

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Hi guys, I was trying to download latest Monero CLI wallet from getmoner.org downloads page, but got this certificate warning:

Can anyone else verify it, or is just my PC?

sorry, meant to type getmonero.org, not without "o", but on my browser the address is correct

s/getmoner/getmonero/

I was using Firefox, let me check with Edge.

Yeah, or perhaps check your system clock

Okay, now working on Firefox too.. That was strange

Yeah, likely something local. Site has a clean bill of healthy for cert

s/healthy/health/

Thanks for confirming, figured it's always best to check with the experts here

I think was F-secure Antivirus progrma, it was blocking the file when Edge was used. However, no visible popup emerged with Firefox

* I think was F-secure Antivirus program, because it blocked the file when Edge was used. However, no visible popup emerged with Firefox (before trying with Edge)

* I think was F-secure Antivirus program, because it blocked the file when Edge was used. However, no visible popup emerged with Firefox (before trying with Edge). I then whitelisted the downloads.getmonero.org site

* I think was F-secure Antivirus program, because it blocked the file when Edge was used. However, no visible popup emerged before that with Firefox. I whitelisted the downloads.getmonero.org site when I got the notification with Edge, and then it worked with Firefox too.

<ofrnxmr[m]> "I just dont talk to people..." <- this. communicating just keeps things spinning. isolate people and let them feel their fear of missing out. i am legit not fucking with u ppl, its the best thing u can do for them

also, the best thing you can do for yourself.

* spinning. isolate (( from )) people and