Lmao

(Im laughing at the usernames that joined. 24/25. I need therapy)

I vote for 16 words

or maybe 14

Me too. Coming soon! (16)

merge

Need pr :)

never

can facebook record video calls?

but why?

Facebook records your front camera when you're on the toilet scrolling your phone so lizards can study human behavior

the faces you make whilst on the toliet

the face when no one likes your new profile pic 😠 or when you see other people being happy 😡 social media is not healthy, having video calls recorded is the least of your problems

its like saying 'tfw binance withdraws are disabled' but we're not even meant to be using CeX's though right? :'(

They're spying to learn how 25 words seed can be transferred from ledger to 24 words monero gui

😬🔫

We need one unified standard for Monero seeds!

+1

If Ring Signatures use old public addresses to hide messages, what happens with new addresses, if there is no history of the address in the blockchain, then it must be the one that signed the message.

shamir keys so i can travel around the would looking for them

s/would/world/

there are no addresses on the blockchain. Ring Signatures use decoy inputs, not addresses

Can you explain me what a decoy input pls?

fake

You should read "Mastering Monero", it's a great introduction to how Monero works

i have read it, but it only explain that it use decoy input. And don't explain what is it

They are single-use addresses that are derived from the actual wallet address that the receiver gave you

Think of them like a piggy bank with some money inside

Normally (ie without ring signatures), when you create a tx you are actually creating a cryptographic signature that says: "I, owner of inputs A,B,C, send xxx btc to outputs D,E,F"

With ring signatures, for each "real" input you also include a bunch of "fake" inputs, and you create a cryptographic signature that says "I, owner of inputs A1,A2,A3,...,B1,B2,B3,...,etc send ? xmr to outputs D,E,F"

So an external observer has no idea which one of those inputs is actually yours, and which are the decoys

from mastering monero that paul has read (from top to bottom) "Her wallet will semi-randomly select several other past outputs on the blockchain (not belonging to Maria) and mix their public keys into the ring signature as decoys. "

if endors more detailed explanation satisfies you then its a good suggestion for mastering monero 2.0?

merope: So an output is link to a public key and because there is fake output which are link to public key that don't yours nobody can't tell you have sign the message?

All transaction outputs are "real" outputs, but they are not linkable to your public keys (ie your wallet address)

MM "The output that is actually being spent is the true signer, and [t]he public keys from other outputs (from past transactions) are mixed in as decoy signers. "

ignore me, im just using ctrl+f "decoy"

Look at a transaction on xmrchain.net and you'll see how it works

page133 of mastering monero also right paul2167

of the bible

So here public key is just past output? And one of this is the good?

paul2167: The first part of my document here will probably help. Click the PDF link: monero-project/research-lab #93

Oh Monero is super low again

Reckon there will be a correlation between progress and price?

> <@123bob123:matrix.org> ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/vd-molly-payments-stage1.html

>

> Reckon there will be a correlation between progress and price?

Lead dev here. I don't look at the charts anymore 🙈

valldrac: is the ccs dead ?

Or - ?

Refund

ofrnxmr[m]: It's not dead. I'm working on it in right now

Expected delivery of first and final milestones?

Maybe post update?

"Hosting expenses (AWS) until Q2 2022: $2,400"

Stuff like thus ran out a long ass time ago

DanIsnotthemanBr: Yes. I will post an update soon

Rucknium:

How does a service like Monero Tunnel or HoudiniSwap skew the decoy selection

The decoy distribution is fixed in code and doesn't change (unless changed in a software update). The real spend age distribution changes when user behavior changes. I'm sure that's what you meant.

Yes.

I ask because - services such as Houdini and monero tunnel do all of the monero interacrion on behalf of their users. 2tx (and their decoys) for every one human intended transaction

IMHO, quick spends are "fine". It is up to the decoy selection algorithm to mimic user behavior, not the other way around. Tunnel or HoudiniSwap probably don't have enough volume to stand out enough. Of course, I may be guestimating the volume wrong.

The bigger issue is that users are spending X amount on a coin that doesn't hide amounts and a short time later an output of X - epsilon is created on another chain. I doubt that these services provide much privacy for the people who are using them.

Right. But 1 tx can be offloaded from any chain, and monero bears 2tx (massive bloat) it could lead to issues if adoption was to be even 50% of monero tx

Maybe. Basically, OSPEAD is supposed to capture this. If that's what users are doing, the decoy selection algorithm should mimic it. OSPEAD hasn't been implemented yet. And OSPEAD will have a hard time with future changes in user behavior that do not appear in the historical data. It would have to be updated again

The current decoy selection algorithm is based on pre-2018 data. Pre-2018 user behavior.

Didn’t i see trocador doing tunnels now?

Issues such as...... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…597470f6302aefe3c9b8c21718c43529c8b>)

Hm. (2) is something I didn't think about. The exchanges will start to own more outputs. Kind of a low-potency unintended flood attack.

I saw the Trocador post where they said they are conversing with Monero devs. I did not see any queries in #monero-research-lab:monero.social or #monero-dev:monero.social

Morpheus

valldrac its nice that you have a notification on a few keywords in here but 'soon' is getting old

Rucknium[m]: Hi, was talking to some by dm

Do have an opinion about the service?

<Rucknium[m]> "The bigger issue is that users..." <- Yes ^

its pushing the false narrative that monero is for "cleaning" other coins

Thats what i though when i saw how tu nels work

s/tu/tunnels/, s/nels//

s/though/thought/, s/tu/tunnels/, s/nels//

Oh, I see there was some discussion about it here, will read everything

Thanks for pointing out

Rolling your own defenses against statistical attack is like rolling your own cryptography. I wouldn't recommend it.

is physical notes backed by monero possible?

unlike gold you can verify the asset is exist with crypto

martin03: No one has figured out a way. Maybe someone will one day.

when houdiniswaps ccs proposal was discussed libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20221124#c164260

Rucknium[m]: Maybe plowsof nfc gift cards can work

plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: thanks for reposting that.

Yes, the 3hr long YouTube chat with sethforprivacy and Giacomo hoes into how absolutely terrible it is to use monero as a washer

And Giacomo is saying that from a Bitcoiners perspective

<Rucknium[m]> "martin03: No one has figured out..." <- im thinking of utilizing multisig

so it's impossible for the company just take away the money and making the notes worthless

The company can make the notes worthless by ceasing to exist.

The gift cards wouldnt be on chain

Whether multisig or normal, whoever encrypted them controls their ability to be redeemed

Rucknium[m]: i mean they can't take the money since the other multisig is in the notes

like the cash will be self printed and there will be a machine on stores checking if the notes really worth something

i mean it kinda really dumb idea though

Physical money has to be centralize, otherwise its just a gift card

And we can do gift cards today/yesterday

Multisig requires an middle man who is trusted, and has power to take action without you (lost or stolen, rip and inheritance)

so if the monero have been released in the blockchain

the notes will be useless and it will be detected as valueless

also since is issued by a company there will be alot of version of this notes

but it doesn't matter since it will be always be checked if it value something

If its released into the blockchain they arent cash, but are coupons

Cash would be Moneros layer 2. Those coins wouldnt transact in chainb

How do you check it without checking the blockchain? What if the XMR is taken between the time that you check it and the time you spend it? To be blunt, your idea does not solve the problem.

You can check it 👍👍, just cant spend it

<ofrnxmr[m]> "Multisig requires an middle..." <- yes this is an issue if the multisig is not created by you or you don't self printed the cash

i guess that's a problem , imagine i accepted the cash made by someone

and that person also had a copy of the private key they can just released the monero to their address

Exactly why I say a centralized entity is required to sign them

i guess is a good idea to accept both xmr and valuable metals

i wish there's a cheap portable machine to detect if the metals is legit or not

If you self print, its the same problem. Only now its my problem.

You're paying me with a seed that _you_ know and created? No thanks

If you give me your seed, I have to sweep it instantly or else you can drain the funds at your leisure.

Self signed "backed in monero" doesnt work.

> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> If you self print, its the same problem. Only now its my problem.... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…2177e46e9bf859cc3212c5bef0964b629ea>)

* im thinking of an ATM to withdraw these cash

not just withdraw by typing up the signing with the correct private key

so you need to insert the cash to the ATM machine and the company will end the multisig

and the monero will be released

Attaching a physical asset to crypto makes in-person double spending attacks trivial to implement

- Put 1 xmr on a note

- make 10 copies of that note

- go to ten places, spend 1 xmr, and tell people to "keep the change ;)"

- profit

Like ofrnxmr said, you **must** immediately sweep the contents of that note *before* giving away your product/service. Otherwise, any moron with a printer can screw you over

There's a reason why modern bank notes have so many fraud-prevention measures implemented

As for precious metals, there was a convo about them just a few days ago. Tldr: they're pointless, and we invented currencies specifically so that we wouldn't have to deal with the issues of dealing with barter

Also, you don't "end" a multisig. Both parties have to sign a transaction that sends the funds to the recipient

> <@endor00:matrix.org> - Put 1 xmr on a note... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…91b502134bac75d768e5af3166ed32efd59>)

If you print the private keys, then you can print the same private key on 10 notes and do the attack

If the company prints the private keys, then the company can print the same key on 10 notes and do the attack

Either way, the recipient is getting shafted

This is the same issue of NFTs associated with real-world assets: you can't have a real-world asset associated with an NFT without a real-world entity that guarantees and enforces the value of that NFT

merope: you really can't do that , since the company will send you the exact notes

if you multisig 1xmr you will only get 1xmr blank notes without the private key

unless you can create fake cash that can avoid privacy measures

I think you might want to dig deeper on how multisig works

merope: is like a single wallet that need to be signed by two private keys right?

> <@martin03:matrix.org> you really can't do that , since the company will send you the exact notes

> if you multisig 1xmr you will only get 1xmr blank notes without the private key

> unless you can create fake cash that can avoid privacy measures

i mean tell me why this is not work?

the company is just act as an escrow protecting the transaction

and will earn money from fees

on making blank notes and withdrawing the notes

like almost 3B of people don't have internet access

<merope> "If you print the private keys..." <- ^

"You only get 1xmr blank notes" and what stops me from printing the key of a wallet with 0.1xmr on that blank note?

Puts the "trust" in trustless

You trust your govenrment with your cash and they constantly devalue it

Would you trust them not to devalue your Monero cash? Or to remove the monero backing?

They used to back cash with gold, then said, .. who cares them. Were going to take the gold, they can keep the paper

ofrnxmr[m]: how it is multisig

ofrnxmr[m]: because gold backing is harded to verify

while 1,000,000+ people have the monero ledger

so the gov just can't lie about it

Monero backing is damn near impossible

You must be looking for btc or waiting for jamtis

<merope> ""You only get 1xmr blank notes..." <- like i said they will be fraud prevention measures

1. like maybe the company will only allow you to print one domination

2. the notes that you have printed need approval and it will be marked approved on the notes

there will be tons variation of them the same way as Electronic Payments now

so some store will accept company A but not company B

it will be very centralized

<merope> ""You only get 1xmr blank notes..." <- like this can happened in real life , a 100$ notes

but when you put it on an ATM or a Bank teller it will be scanned as 1$

so is just a dollar notes that have be designed to look a 100$

Just get a phone with NFC support or even more supported: a wallet app that can generate QR

Someone tried making BTC backed bills before and failed

It was a plastic card with pcb inside that would release the seed somehow if you broke it in half

I don't remember the exact mechanism but it's completely unnecessary

Can call it pollution even

you guys realized that dollars are actually just number on a ledger

and someone in a factory printed them in cash

like why is not possible for xmr to have this?

What's the point?

Dollars are centralized

Centralized entity is printing, validating and accepting the bills

We are not the same

Siren[m]: like i said not everyone live in a city with a reliable internet access

i can go to a countryside of second / third world country

the only option to use internet is cable or satellite

well even some places in the US still relied on cable or satellite services

almost 3 billion people haven't even touch internet

i guess we have to wait for a phone that can connect with starlink

Well then they cannot even get monero

If u didnt buy monero some mins ago u are late now

The price dipped to 145€

Having a centralized entity generate wallets and put certain amounts in them for printing bills is extremely risky and stupid

That centralized entity knows all the seeds and cannot be trusted

* If u didnt buy monero some mins ago u are late now

Siren[m]: If it didn't have a physical form they can't have it

or they can only have it in their home since they relied on cable internet

there is alot of thing can go wrong on cashless society

Alot of places don't have broadband internet

Well if they don't have infra for internet then they're not a cashless society ;)

Mastercard/visa also needs internet

Siren[m]: The centralized entitiy only generated the notes they don't put any funds into it

Technically we could grab sdcards and place wallets ourselves there

I think you can verify transfers offline by noting down some information

Siren[m]: But you will need internet to create these

Anyone can put money in that paper... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…e55739b6c9ce4d6c5ca3f06f96a68a158f5>)

I wouldn't worry about a thing if I lived in such a place where there's no internet :D

And again, how do i know youbdidnt make copies??

The company just act as a escrow, so someone can't scam you with their physical notes

Nobody can spy on me or financially exclude me

I am trading eggs for milk or shekels

ofrnxmr[m]: There are alot of security measures in physical notes

There will be a clear distinct marking that notes has been verified that can only be printed with 100,000$ special technology

ofrnxmr[m]: You can't

Siren[m]: i guess people in there will used gold bars or something

So in order to be trollish I only need to print a very distinct marking on the outside of the bill ;)

And in the chip inside of every bill I place the same seed/private keys

Siren[m]: You can if you are an expert at making fake notes

If you can print such details on a bill what stops me from buying the same equipment and doing the same? What will you do regulate the printer equipment?

martin03[m]: Im not an expert and I can

Siren[m]: Bro you look like never used a physical notes before

They put like strings, hologram, tons of marking that can be only printed on printer that cost billions of dollar

And the company will only own the printer themselves bro

You're talking to someone who is working on a monero atm ATM (siren)

ofrnxmr[m]: The notes will never work on vending machine

#monero-offtopic:monero.social

This is nonsense

Maybe you can fooled a blind homeless person with that lmao

Oh wait

There is Brailes on Physical notes

How can you possibly made that 😂

The same way they make it

With unicorn blood and amazon

Alibaba

ofrnxmr[m]: ^^^

martin03: When you first mentioned this idea, I thought you meant "how can it be done without trusting a centralized entity?". Yes, you can have a centralized entity issue notes "backed" by any commodity. Cryptocurrency is supposed to be decentralized and trustless.

> <@martin03:matrix.org> Bro you look like never used a physical notes before

> They put like strings, hologram, tons of marking that can be only printed on printer that cost billions of dollar

> And the company will only own the printer themselves bro

I'd rather have these billions of dollars invested in infrastructure for these communities

Instead of somehow funding a centralized entity who will be printing monero bills

Rucknium[m]: Yes that is the only problem, the notes issued by companies

And stores probably only accept one or two company notes

Should probably spend more than 30 seconds in an idea before arguing the merits of it for 20 minutes

and maybe you go to a different place the notes may not be accepted

Since they using a different company

Is similar going to korea and you can't pay anything with apple pay since they used samsung pay

Yes sir, I understand

Similar to how governments print money, the company can place duplicate seeds themselves

And manipulate the economy

OMG siren, you sound like you've never used cash /s

Everybody is wrong and nobody has though about thus. My 30s of brainstorming > than whatever anybody has studied before I thought if it.

Im right, youbguys are wrong. Now.. how we make trustless Monero cash?

Xyproblem.info

( /s)

<ofrnxmr[m]> "Should probably spend more than..." <- I already thought it for a long time though

Since i was thinking if crypto become adopted then the will be moving to a cashless society

*we will

<ofrnxmr[m]> "OMG siren, you sound like you've..." <- I mean like seriously , there is alot of security measures in physical notes

Is hard to print an exact notes unless you are an expert on it

An cash register with ultraviolet light on them or a well trained cashier can detect fake cash easily

> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Everybody is wrong and nobody has though about thus. My 30s of brainstorming > than whatever anybody has studied before I thought if it.... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…c06643bcb8934c9ebeb66f6ecfad2769858>)

Yeah, and you trust who?

The government cant even be trusted with money, thats beyond obvious

You trust companies that are regulated BY that same government?

So.. like FTX

Lets let FTX create the cash

ofrnxmr[m]: Yes but FTX cannot hold the coins

they can only printed notes and someone has to assign wealth to it

then sell it in their ATM

> <@martin03:matrix.org> I mean like seriously , there is alot of security measures in physical notes

> Is hard to print an exact notes unless you are an expert on it

> An cash register with ultraviolet light on them or a well trained cashier can detect fake cash easily

There is a lot of security measures but they feel the need to print new Euros with new measures every 3 years or so ecb.europa.eu/euro/banknotes/security/html/index.en.html

In an internetless society, the equipment that's used ro validate bills can't keep up with their pace anyways

Siren[m]: No security is perfect

s/ro/yo/

s/ro/to/

It is good they always improving

Not really

Adding more security features

All bill validators are proprietary. You're depending on these vendors to update their firmware for these newly issued bills.

Siren[m]: You only need a UV light or you can check the notes legit or not

You can check if they are holograms , special marking, brailes and etc

Well trained cashier can identify fake notes

Like seriously fake giveaways can happened

It goes wrong.

> <@martin03:matrix.org> You only need a UV light or you can check the notes legit or not... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…ca1e7f7dc0b6abecb24d34a59a9bd96aa21>)

I bet there are still millions of fake euro bills circulating

well trained cashier lol

Yeah, martin03: please stop

You're just talking a bunch if nonsense now. Random thoughts with no factual backing

Sure you can check the raised lines, Braille, how it looks under UV but these features are the easiest to fake

Siren[m]: Can vending machine detect them?

ofrnxmr[m]: Ok i will stop, sorry if you don't like my discussion

martin03[m]: Vending machines come with a variety of bill acceptors

Some check for UV alone, some are more advanced

All of these are proprietary and these companies will never tell you how exactly they validate the bills

And... those bills are counterfeit already

They used to be backed in gold(monero) and are now just some paper printing with special features

I think CHF is backed by gold still

Siren[m]: Yes this why we needed open source cash validation system

Not your keys, not your coins

martin03[m]: That's a whole another rabbit hole but placing monero on a bill would be security through obscurity

Unlike fiat bills you need somewhere to digitally store the keys within the bill

And if that should get damaged, you need a backup..

Cant just literally lose all of the monero in a boating accident

Siren[m]: Someone will figure out a way to take a legitimate bill and write information that they cloned from another bill on it

Siren[m]: There need to be more research on this

So for now monero bills is not possible

martin03[m]: European central bank already tried doing this

wyoming goldback?

Placing RFID chips in euro bills

Clearly the counterfeit detection isn't so good, they want CBDCs

But hey we're already steps ahead of them

<Siren[m]> "European central bank already..." <- i mean they are trying something, i always believe physical currency is important

Also digital payments can also has issue with hacking mostly from client problems

I remember a early bitcoin dev lost hundred millions of bitcoin and he don't know how that even happened he mentioned it on twitter

Both have issues and both of them are trying to improve their security

Iirc, he knows how it happened

Like what happened if the power is down

Physical cash is just paper that you trust

martin03[m]: We trade items or start paying with precious metals

or stores servers had issues so they can't process the payment properly

Cash won't help in the long run either

Cash has always been "trust first, verify never"

Paper* cash

I guess you guys are supporting cashless society

i mean alot of people know is inferior to digital

But i don't think is a good idea to get rid of it completely

.... crypto is cashless by definition 🐒

crypto does not exclude cash, they complement eachother

Not on chain..

of course

And this isnt agoism room, so im confused where this js going

ofrnxmr[m]: ok?

But still i don't think is a good idea to have fully cashless society

maybe metal based currency will work but is very hard to verify them

martin03: Who said they want a cashless society? Stop putting words in people's mouths.

Having a solution that is dangerously broken is worse than living with the problem (no physical cryptocurrency solution yet).

Rucknium[m]: Cashless is without cash , so people pay something besides using cash like metals and digital crypto

They clearly mention problems with physical cash

Easy to counterfit, trusted first verify later and etc

Rucknium[m]: Also is a "guess" like i mentioned

* Cashless is without cash , so people pay something besides using cash like metals and digital crypto

They clearly mention problems with physical cash

Easy to counterfit, trusted first verify later and how cash will not work in a longrun

> <@martin03:matrix.org> Cashless is without cash , so people pay something besides using cash like metals and digital crypto

> They clearly mention problems with physical cash

> Easy to counterfit, trusted first verify later and etc

In the hypothetical environment that you are talking about, yes you're better off not using cash.

No electricity = no bill validation

Coins are fine because they hold value themselves

Ok i guess we need another solution is monero cash not possible

How About monero cards?

Like tap cards with RFID on them , i guess that will work

Some wallet apps have NFC support

Siren[m]: coins are harder to counterfit?

martin03[m]: Giving someone a disk of metal vs paper that has 100 rupees written on it

That metal itself is worth something

Siren[m]: I guess that's will work

Siren[m]: I get it but how do verify the metal i really precior metal

Use a search engine

Siren[m]: ok but i think cards is for like emergency

If your phone had no more battery and broke down on the street

At that point how will you buy food or buy transport to go home

Siren[m]: im testing you.

You need a device to detect if it worth, is the same problem with physical notes

> <@martin03:matrix.org> ok but i think cards is for like emergency

> If your phone had no more battery and broke down on the street

> At that point how will you buy food or buy transport to go home

One of a huge downside of cashless society

but i think cards can replace cash just fine

> <@martin03:matrix.org> im testing you.

> You need a device to detect if it worth, is the same problem with physical notes

Bills are easier to fake than coins. Coins are way easier to validate than bills. You don't need electricity to validate coins.

You will not be able to print bills with security features if there's no electricity either

martin03[m]: to be fair, i think a lot of the major CBDC projects are trying to figure out how to have offline transactions as a component. probably value and functionality limited, but it is on the horizon. whether permissionless systems (on the other hand) can have offline transactions is a hard problem.

> <@martin03:matrix.org> im testing you.

> You need a device to detect if it worth, is the same problem with physical notes

Troll af

I mean yeah i guess some people will accepted it

i don't know the last time people offered me something with gold coins

i guess theres alot of cheap - easy ways to test if the gold is real or not

I offer propel nickel and tin all the time

s/propel/people/

Its not so easy to counterfeit something with a specific mass

It doesn't need to be gold

midipoet: Looks very interesting, some bitcoiners ever mentioned to me that there is a way to make bitcoins transaction completely offline

Also there is bitcoin satelite in space so you can do bitcoin transaction anywhere but you need a satelite dish

Bitcoin satellite🤯

You can get satellite internet with monerod

* You can get satellite internet and use monerod

You don't need monero satellite

ofrnxmr[m]: Make sense i guess,

a weight measurement is enough and another coin to compare the size

Since if if the volume + weight match which mean is the same type of metal

They can mine on satellite too, it a good way to keep the equipment warm in cold space :)

Bitcoin satalite for 7tx/s

Sounds like pollution

It's ok when it falls down on earth sell it for scrap metal

Wen community-lab and community-lounge and community-offtopic 😂

Siren[m]: They cost pretty expensive, i remember using thuraya phone

The bills is insane , also these bitocoin satelite are free to use

They broadcast the chain 24/7 which mean anyone can run a bitcoin node anywhere

But satelite internet works too

Wtarlink has partnerships with major service providers

Expensive? Goooooooooogle

You can be using starlink without even knowing

3 hrs of martin questions

Sounds like 24 is rubbing off on people

bah humbug

ofrnxmr[m]: Starlink is a major improvement tbh... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…3b53f41903d602580a654cef50bd08854d8>)

Starlink is nice to boos kessler syndrome

And the more subscribers, the slower it is.

What's wrong with fiber and docsis? Other than if you are living in the middle of nowere or in the middle of the drink, it already reach you, is cheaper and faster.

Wheres ooo

s/boos/boost/

> <@martin03:matrix.org> They cost pretty expensive, i remember using thuraya phone

> The bills is insane , also these bitocoin satelite are free to use

> They broadcast the chain 24/7 which mean anyone can run a bitcoin node anywhere

store.blockstream.com/product-category/satellite_kits/You need to buy a kit to access it?

At least he would get you thinking

Or is it possible to DIY it?

s/store.blockstream.com/product-category/satellite_kits/You need to buy a kit to access it?/store.blockstream.com/product-category/satellite_kits You need to buy a kit to access it? /

ooofrnxmr

Can DIY it blockstream.github.io/satellite/doc…ware.html#diy-hardware-requirements

Cool

very cool , Starlink really change the sat interner forever

While Thuraya charge me 1$/minute

I admit, the price for starlink are decent.

It's also the reason it's a SpaceX money pit

The recent additions of Quota + surcharge if you go over

And the new dishs, might help actually turn the thing into profit?

I think the partnerships are key

Wow ChatGPT knew that Monero Mining is not bad for the environment

Of course

Ask it what it thinks about me

Guys

I need some help

Ladies and gents

Kids and pets

You are now about to witness...

Sup alpha

whuuu, it Say Cryptonight 😂

I need new idea

* I need new ideas

Idea*

<ofrnxmr[m]> "Idea*" <- Yo make profit

What

I have one for you

Elon musk replied to me on Twitter once that he doubles all coins sent to this address 43XmrbuLLWD3JGHg8CRCdPBCrYB1CLZMBXfiDoeyoqF24cruNGFXqDpFExckKxDo9ggmgKGazwsdPcJtee1AqhRyCRn7JqZ

I tried it and sent 3 xmr and he sent me 6 back, can you believe it?

./s 😐

😂

> deposit xmr with 10,000 year lock time to binance, withdraw xmr, deposit xmr with 10,000 year lock time to binance, withdraw xmr...

Reddit post on mining pools delaying transaction confirmations is finally up: reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/10gapp…ed_mining_pools_are_delaying_monero

twitter.com/binance/status/1615922458581778433?s=20 beam delisted from binance

Making room for $poof

im putting all my beams on localmonero

Ban

Again

Hi I have a question

i am using debian with ledger nano x and monero gui

eudaimon36:

the monerod height

when i do ./monerod status

it says 100%

i can see my balance etc

hoever,

however,

0(out)+0(in) connections,

#monero-support:monero.social

i have no peer connection,

Ports open?

how to check

On pc and firewall

ufw

yes

i have added those ports to ufw

And on router too?

and even with ufw disabled

#monero-support:monero.social

oh, should I port forward those port to this ip address?

Omg to many rooooooooms

should i forward both port

This is clearly brrrrrrrrrr support

6hrs a day is enough support for community logs

18080

i put in this reddit post

i will give that port forward a try

thanks

Talk about "GIVE ME SERVICE"

testertest222[m]: When you do this, are you starting up and shutting down another monerod instance beside the one you are already running?

i think i can only have 1 running at a time

i think there is only 1 running

Ofrnxmr support service

24/7

"I can see my balance but 0 in 0 out shows 100%"

What height does it show

Height: 2687147/2687147 (100.0%) on mainnet,

this is my recent sync

i think i just need port forward on my router

and static ip address

And your cli version is 17.3.2?

2023-01-19 20:06:26.383 I Monero 'Fluorine Fermi' (v0.18.1.2-release)

Well thats the right version (18.1.2).

You can access the internet from the same device?

you had to have downloaded the blockchain from someone

Xyproblem.info everyday

Need details on what was done before it stopped working.

Were over 100k blocks since youre last sync so clearly this is an old problem that is just being discovered because you did x or y

Good domain problems.xyz

i think i have downloaded the chain

because it says height 100%

yes. I have full access to the internet

I tried port forwarding just now

both 18080 18081 ports

No, you havent downloaded the chain

Current height is 2803236+

yes, i see 0(out)+1(in)

out

so I am connected to peers

sync_info

thanks

Are you behind a Nat? Using docker? Special flags?

Height: 2687147, target: 2687147 (100%)... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…10054d62f249a4bede0edc52d6bf3b98ca1>)

The node should be able to make outgoing connections, especially if its able to receive them

i am behind a router

provided by isp

That peer didnt send you the updated block height

and I am connected to a switch and that switch is connected to the router

i am not using docker

You can try adding a good peer

how to do that

--add-priority-node=23.88.126.19:18080

Try that. Thats one of my peers

Not "trusted" but im connected to that ip

ofrnxmr[m]: This is a startup flag

./monerod --add-priority-node=23.88.126.19:18080

i did this

and i stopped existing monerod

It sjouldnt. It should fail to run if there is an existing monerod

You have to stop the existing one first anyway.

"The [previous] network upgrade [took] place on ~13th August, 2022 (block 2,688,888)."

So. Make sure you stop all instances before running

user is withholding information

My eyes must be playing tricks on me

i am confused

pop_blocks 5000

Looks like you using pruned?

Irrelevent ^

He's stuck on old chain

I don't think so

should i remove the old chain

./monerod --add-priority-node=23.88.126.19:18080

2023-01-19 20:28:39.413 I **********************************************************************... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…b9343c513972da2bc342378ee2abb75be4b>)

i am at here

ofrnxmr[m]: --pop-blocks=5000

Wait dont pop yet

Did it begin to sync?

no

023-01-19 20:28:39.413 I **********************************************************************... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…ba6f70fe5d126cdbb1979977d03ad3b3755>)

still this

0 connections?

Height: 2687147/2687147 (100.0%) on mainnet, not mining, net hash 2.61 GH/s, v14 (next fork in 2.4 days), 0(out)+1(in) connections, uptime 0d 0h 7m 55s

1 in connections

should i try pop

1. Delete `p2pstate.bin` from the blockchain folder (default is .bitmonero in home folder)

2. Run `./monerod --pop-blocks 5000`

3. Try again

0. Stop monerod

Failed to parse arguments: unrecognised option '--pop-blocks'

should I try ./monerod

Holdon, need to Google and read brb

thanks

You can just try to run it (after deleting p2pstate.bin)

Looking for the correct pop blocks command

* brave

Im looking for answers, not a wild goose chase and pride 😂

ok, so far it is the same output

Well then. Im just crazy

with 1 connection

<ofrnxmr[m]> "pop_blocks 5000" <- This is correct

Type that into monerod

Or ./monerod pop_blocks 5000

DanIsnotthemanBr: Btw, I found via "help"

2023-01-19 20:46:38.375 I Monero 'Fluorine Fermi' (v0.18.1.2-release)

Error: Couldn't connect to daemon: 127.0.0.1:18081

Thats monero gui?

Or wallet cli?

Are we diagnosing a wallet or a daemonb🐒

./monerod pop_blocks 5000

(A daemon)

i typed this into terminal

ofrnxmr[m]: Makes it more interesting that way

Ok, so the daemon isnt running

when it is running

2023-01-19 20:48:50.223 I Monero 'Fluorine Fermi' (v0.18.1.2-release)

that command is paused

still executing

wow how long does that take to pop 5000

Ive never tried

ok finished

How do your connections look now?

Status

when i look at status

it is still 2023-01-19 20:51:37.358 I Monero 'Fluorine Fermi' (v0.18.1.2-release)

Height: 2682147/2682147 (100.0%) on mainnet, not mining, net hash 2.58 GH/s, v14 (next fork in 9.4 days), 0(out)+1(in) connections, uptime 0d 0h 4m 34s

r

./monerod status

2023-01-19 20:51:20.106 I [batch] DB resize needed

2023-01-19 20:51:20.267 I LMDB Mapsize increased. Old: 156755MiB, New: 157779MiB

2023-01-19 20:51:21.312 I [batch] DB resize needed

2023-01-19 20:51:21.379 I LMDB Mapsize increased. Old: 157779MiB, New: 158803MiB

my connection window

shows this

2023-01-19 20:53:21.495 I [batch] DB resize needed

2023-01-19 20:53:21.541 I LMDB Mapsize increased. Old: 158803MiB, New: 159827MiB

And the heights again?

2023-01-19 20:56:53.902 I Monero 'Fluorine Fermi' (v0.18.1.2-release)

Height: 2682147/2682147 (100.0%) on mainnet, not mining, net hash 2.58 GH/s, v14 (next fork in 9.4 days), 0(out)+1(in) connections, uptime 0d 0h 9m 51s

r

Looks like the single other Monero daemon you are connected to does not work correctly, and you can't sync to top of chain because of this

You have to get more connections somehow

No good... I found a trusted node

./monerod --add-priority-node=nodes.hashvault.pro:18080

Strange that you have 0 outgoing connections

Ah, ok, already discussed earlier ...

i turned off gufw

He's stuck before the hard fork, I imagine his peer list banned a lot of nodes

Deleted that, still no connections

So now asking to add the node that p2pool users are instructed to use

2023-01-19 21:00:32.910 I Monero 'Fluorine Fermi' (v0.18.1.2-release)... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…0bc0597c061b57010cb203a7d7bf49a38f6>)

The resize messages arent important

Just need logs about height and number of connections

And sync_info will show mooooooooooooooo below a list of IP's if it is syncing

how do i get the sync_info

Type that into monerod

2023-01-19 21:03:01.140 I Monero 'Fluorine Fermi' (v0.18.1.2-release)... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…df8f704e87c3f8592e4093af37f3bc339fc>)

<ofrnxmr[m]> "./monerod --add-priority-node=..." <- Did you stop monerod and start with this new peer?

(If not, please do)

./monerod --add-priority-node=nodes.hashvault.pro:18080

yes i did that

2023-01-19 21:04:57.916 I Monero 'Fluorine Fermi' (v0.18.1.2-release)... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…5e3f6552f0ce2a3b753c899d0413910f1ac>)

i got this

2023-01-19 21:07:17.003 I Monero 'Fluorine Fermi' (v0.18.1.2-release)

Height: 2682147/2682147 (100.0%) on mainnet, not mining, net hash 2.58 GH/s, v14 (next fork in 9.4 days), 0(out)+1(in) connections, uptime 0d 0h 2m 37s

Looks to me that for whatever strange reason your Monero daemon cannot reach *out* to other nodes

Especially not that node given, nodes.hashvault.pro:18080

Can you ping that? With: ping nodes.hashvault.pro

The incoming connection is service 0 blocks as well. Banned it and it was replaced with 1higher ip

0 blockheight*

testertest222:

rbrunner: ^

No idea, frankly. This all is usually so foolproof, no clear idea how you would have to mis-configure a system to get this behavior ...

I mean, not able to connect *out*? Really? :)

They cannot ping it

rbrunner: Right?

Didn't read something from them telling that. Do messages get dropped right now? I am on IRC.

Have to leave anyway, sorry people. Nuke it from orbit and try again :)

Thats what just said loloo

System is broken or misconfigured

Can browse but cant ping.

Browsers on Ubuntu (im assuming) are snaps and dont necessarily respect the global settings

assuming 'banned by every node because they have been using v17.3.2 all day / corrupted blockchain'?

🚀💻

i tried ping

from two different machines

windows and linux

and i cannot ping those addresses

Mhm

you are banned , try again tomorrow

Even less relevant for this channel

are i banned forever

or just a day

lol

We'll see

ping node.monerodevs.org

He can ping Google

PING node.monerodevs.org (192.99.8.110) 56(84) bytes of data.

i get this

I also gave 2 different priority nodes and neither is connecting or updating the top height

and no response after

i guess no

ping bing.com

ping getmonero.org

PING bing.com(2620:1ec:c11::200 (2620:1ec:c11::200)) 56 data bytes... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…c1801d7d1bed1283a676bb331b47c422146>)

PING getmonero.org(2606:4700:10::6816:add (2606:4700:10::6816:add)) 56 data bytes... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…98763b4365a6fddd980bb39977786e2521a>)

Just a "good" or "no good" if fibe

Is fine*

ping supportxmr.com

no good

cannot ping supportxmr.com

Blocklists

ipv6 only

that's two different machines

windows and debian

both cannot ping

the behavior is the same

i cannot ping

Something is blocking mining related stuff, but if your browser can access its likely because you enables a system wide setting and browsers dont care about your system settings

to those websites

on my debian machine

i don't have clamav

and firewall is off

ufw

is off

Maybe isp

What dns you using?

xfinity

i think it is comcast

i can use ledger

bitcoin and litecoin

He can access the websites from the browser

but monero a lot of issues

Ledger 😂

ISP would be blocking from the browser it was at isp level

i think something could be complicated going on

Yes

browser maybe ok

#monero-offtopic:monero.social

i am in a big country

i don't think isp would block something like this

this would require major effort

I think you need to take this convo to your diary

Since off topic isnt on topic enough

ok , thanks so much.

I said from the beginning this was an issue that required a shitload of brrrrrr, and turns our its not monerod related

great, but many people would run into same issue before

i have another windows machine, same thing

Plenty more diagnosing needs to be done, but this isnt the place for "help with my pc"

i don't think this is my pc

Multiple personalities maybe, but not many different people

i think those locations are blocked

at least for me

i have multiple pc having the same response

I think they work just fine in your browser, unless you lied

Maybe try diff dns

He did

i think i can translate to the ip address fine

but i can access them in the browser

but the port is 80

usually for browsing

and other ports are blocked

Was using dnsmasq before, turned it off -_-

Probably hasnt reboot

Probably not a monero issue

Probably running weird stuff on all systems

yeah

i can reboot and retry

i don't think it is that

i think it is blocked

thank you so much

i guess monero is blocked at least for a while for me

i blame @martin03 for todays spam

featherwallet.org , download, restore your wallet from seed with height (as its probably incompatible) -> click onion in the bottom right and select 'route all traffic all over tor' -> click apply. / close this box. now click the 'red circle' at the bottom to bring a node list up, wait for the tor nodes to populate , double click on one e.g. that begins with plowsof -> wait

Cant run tor either

(Seriously)

They knew they couldnt use tor before that started this spam

(Eventually "started tor" after "I used it a year ago". Prior to that tor didnt work on any device and no context as to what device tor is now working or what they did to get it to work or what wasnt working)

I asked about tor because if is is isp or some dumb settings --proxy should workaround that anyway

Hang on tor doesnt work?

Hi all,

i fixed my issue

on my router, it is set to high security

and I set to no security

and now i can sync now

2023-01-19 22:47:20.069 I Monero 'Fluorine Fermi' (v0.18.1.2-release)

Height: 2689647/2803325 (95.9%) on mainnet, not mining, net hash 2.41 GH/s, v16, 12(out)+3(in) connections, uptime 0d 0h 4m 21s

my new status

thank you so much for your help

Wondeful

hi ofrnxmr,

Btw, you dont need 18081 forwarded, nor do you want it to be

Yes sir?

since my monero is getting to work

do you want a small gift

you have been helping me out, and that takes quite a bit of your time

🤔 not sure if your serious?

Would the gift be xmr?

yeah

i am serious

i am still geting my monero synced up

you are probably rich anyway

I don't know