> <@algernon_:matrix.org> Yeah, BTCPay using Seth's guide to receive in Monero is a great solution!... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…a9e2781e4baffa5084708f7db77af90577d>)

koe: Seraphis Library Work 2 is now fully funded! ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/seraphis-library-work-2.html

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nioc shared that koe's ccs proposal was fully funded last night but it didnt come through

I got it 👀

Any wow/xmr exchanges?

Trocador

Trocador doesn't work with the amount i want

I can't find any on trocador at all

PSA: The repo for CCS proposals has an RSS feed. You should subscribe to it to comment and vote on new proposals. Currently things are decided by a handful of people, and that is a vulnerable state for a "decentralized" project.

Community meeting Sat 28th @ 16:00UTC monero-project/meta #785

Thank god for majesticbank

What's majesticbank's matrix

valldrac a great chance for a molly update this Saturday!

endor00 too, lets hear how its going 🙏

remember when zcash cancelled a monero related project due to lack of updates / progress , that was fun

Vroomvroom

Havn’t seen pigs fly yet

<plowsof11> "remember when zcash cancelled..." <- was it in the zcash grants program?

What project was that? I believe CakeWallet was interested in implementing Zcash. Is that what you're speaking of?

<DanIsnotthemanBr> "Havn’t seen pigs fly yet" <- Apparently you've never heard of AirHogs

Siren: kowalabearhugs- : forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/cake-tec…-wallet-design-development/40347/69

Kek

To be fair, the zcash devs inaction against the spamming lead to light wallets becoming unusable

Zcash inaction to work on a solution to a known issue*

Literally just "if transaction larger, charge more fee"

The problem isnt the spam, its that it was always known that the fee structure would lead to spam, and that z address tx dont scale

They just kept saying adoption wont happen, nothing tobworry about

monerobull[m]1: Neverrrrr. Fixed fee ftw!

Uh oh.. people are using it?!

Oh well

"Pay daira" is immortalized in chain

I legit can't understand what there is to gain from a fixed fee

Uniformity of tx

If I send a z address tx and you do, the fees can be tracked by parties

Monero fee is "fixed" as well, in that most tx have identical fees/output

But if one transaction is 20 times larger than the regular ones a fixed fee doesn't really do anything, no?

You can always send a custom fee of 2001zec

Paying 20(?)% to zec when its mined

Maybe it's an inside job that's why they don't fix it

Bloat the chain over the next 5 years till nobody really wants to run a node anymore

Then move to PoS

And run nodes with all the dev-fee coins

They are moving to POS, and of course

Thats why zec is a scam... 20% dev fee

fair POW > cancel dev Dee > nahuhh kidding, extending dev fee > custom asic headstart > POS with 20% of the circ supply

Daira said on the forums that the fees are low since fees don't protect the chain from spam from a wealthy adversary

That's true. But now even a saboteur with a few ZEC can wreak havoc. It's just an expanded set of possible effective adversaries.

Daira used to hang around these parts back in the day

<Rucknium[m]> "Daira said on the forums that..." <- "I'll leave my door open at night because a guy with plastic explosives could open it anyways. Also much more convenient."

"Speaking for myself: I think fee policy cannot be a particularly effective anti-DoS measure. Fees would have to be too high (for normal usage) in order to work for that purpose. Fee policy could potentially help to some extent to buffer spikes in demand due to organic usage. For now, I think that the changes in v5.1.0 are likely to be sufficient to address any short-term performance problems with current transaction load."

Aha

It's still so obvious to me that a transaction that singlehandedly fills up the entire block should never cost the same as a regular one. Can't tell me user experience dramatically decreases if giant transactions pay more fees

Dogecoin used to have a minimum tx fee of 1 DOGE. Probably sounded like a reasonable hard-coded value at the time.

Fee policy is inherently difficult when the purchasing power of your units change so much. Anyway, yes I agree that Zcash ignored fee policy until it was too late.