Thank you to everyone who voted for me :)

Hey guys, just letting you know, we had to update our Trocador server today, so there might have been some instability on the service, but now everything is working again

110% uptime or ……. ;)

Hey guys, a new issue of the Monero Moon is out. Cheers, John.

The CCS video with the fleshy lovecraftian eyeball is terrible. Please don't let community funds be given to someone who thought this was a good idea to present, even as a first draft. Much better to recycle these funds (ideally with community consensus) than to have months of redrafting by the community. The newer update even implies the proposer will be outsourcing the actual work so what is point of such a middleman?

"I'm looking to involve more professionals almost to the point of not really getting any profit from it" I.e. I will outsource the work to fivver until I get something which the community will accept for my payout

not only a problem with the video side, but the script side of things blankpage reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/10j3gn5/comment/j5i8ilf/?context=3

10% of the funds are to be used for 'community sourced script management' (as per the proposal) , so 4.5XMR

but there has been alot of feedback already on script 1 that hasn't been acted on yet, but, others have noticed alot of problems with the scripts. verging on re-writing them entirely for the person hired to do it

What a complete waste of time/effort/funds

this is what community sourced script management looks like github.com/moneroguides?tab=repositories

Funding a anime?

Monero MGM

DanIsnotthemanBr: I wish

AnimATED, but not anime

Moneroguides videos are pretty good

JFC dsmlegend upvoted it

i was in the comments there, promoting / helping them advertise - as i assumed we would be getting the cool videos i've seen youtubers use in the backgrounds of videos with (100+k views)

plowsof11: Arebt they involved?

theyre making the scripts

And that movie ccs is cucked

I guarantee its being forced through

nioc: what do you think

Nfi why they would fund stuff like that

Because they probably were involved

People commenting under multiple handles 😆😆, deleting their comments etc.

ceetee🇧🇪: accused of being a sockpuppet

This is a proposal that seemingly has support nit needed from the community

Unless of course the reason for this is is because general fund plans to donate to it

And someone makes a percentage on sales

If im being perfectly honest, its written like... the proposer us a full on pos

Attacking anyone who doesnt agree with the scam

This is a clip of a Netflix product placement

<DanIsnotthemanBr> "Funding a anime?" <- A proposal I could get behind, but I think the guys from the event room might disagree 😂

i was talking about the animated movie not the movie movie

ofrnxmr[m]: This is something that was clearly not ccs'd, and reached far more viewers than this video ever hopes to

And is a direct advertisement for monero

Not some subliminal "use gold" ad

I doubt it will impact people to use monero

The coin is gold

What kind of dumbass kid uses a gold coin in avending machine

facepalm

Worst storyline evwr

Stolen from a news article, bastardized, and whored an M on a gold coin

Now pay me because ibhave good cameras

<ofrnxmr[m]> "ceetee🇧🇪: accused of being a..." <- Hello I AM your sockpuppet, did you forget?!

Here we use to glue 5cent coins together to make $2. Tricked the vending machine

Like ok bud. When you come forth with the script and an offer, then we can look at it

Im not paying for cryptobears song

Cryptobesr can come get paid directly for his services , which are much appreciated

He take 90% of money made

s/He/We/

* Im not paying George for cryptobears song (the only monero mention)

DanIsnotthemanBr: So -90000

Over 9000

Its called "most movies lose money. Let me make money without writing a good story"

Seriously thiugh

If you ad a 2 in gold looking coin and tried to jam it in a vending machine, u probably should drink the method

Meth*

Is this supposed to be a comedy?

<ofrnxmr[m]> "This is a proposal that seemingl..." <- I'm okey if it is a true 60% to 40% vote, by real people. I find it weird that I'm being accused of gatekeeping, when I am literally only stating my opinion and using my fair vote. This is how democracy works. If the majority still decides to go along with it, so be it.

Its not 60/40

And ccs should ever be 60/40

No democracy on the web

Like, I can make 10 socks.

Real people = user names in active use in the community, that filters out bots

True votes = only counting the votes cast by the real people

+I disagree

Ceetee

You got called a sock

I got called a sock

It is very hard to make fake accounts seem real

People were told to disregard out opinions

Oo

So stressful for typing on this and the ofrn handle at the same time

This is why we need skynet

True votes = real information

And real honest oriole

And using different languages for that

Random nobodies who dont follow ccs, I dont care what they have to say

* So stressful for typing on this and the ofrn handle at the same time

And using different languages for that

Majesticbank wants twitter and telegram voting so that he can help get garbage like comit swaps moved to funding

* (moved to previous comment)

The governance structure leaves the final decsion with a council

Telegram clear text

DanIsnotthemanBr: *Fud text

Anyway.. if a proposal has blockers, IMO it doesnt matter how many people votes yes until the blockers are confirned as "valid" and addressed

Instead, Ceetee in a sock and the comments there are clearly a campaign

Everyone knows "George"

Thus is monerotesla, after buying the Tesla, without the pitchforks

OMG its (not) monero

ofrnxmr[m]: people disagree on what is a blocker

This is the main actor

This is a blocker

No Monero, no money

Any honest person want to disagree?

14k for gupax

25k for a cryptobear music video

Fckn nfts

Good for drug dealers

Too long, no way im reading

If I want an nft, ill buy bitcoin

Is there any reason why you would display your primary address?

A store who wants customers to recognize the address

A sub works, but a sub is no different from the main address.

An integrated address works, probable better for a service that is trying to keep logs

> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> A sub works, but a sub is no different from the main address.

>

> An integrated address works, probable better for a service that is trying to keep logs

Is there any privacy benefit for using a sub address on cryptoexchange vs primary address?

Aside from using an "alias", no

<ofrnxmr[m]> "Aside from using an "alias", no" <- Thanks! What is an alias in monero? I assume it's different from subaddress?

Im revering to subaddresses as an alias for the main address

ofrnxmr[m]: Okay so is using an alias (being subaddress) and better for privacy vs main address when exchanging monero from BTC on a cryptoexchange?

Like have email aliases

s/and/any/

One inbox, multiple addresses

Its not for breaking btc linkage. But for YOU linkage

I suppose if you use the same monero address multiple times on cryptoexchanges they can link together all those transactions... Is that it?

Right. If you give the same address to multiple entities they can link together your activities

If it is an exchange, you dont even have to use Monero. They know address 45fnfbd.. belongs to John Doe who also has a kraken account with the same address

And then swap sites all know "this monero is going to John Doe. This address is attached to a kyc account" or "this address is associated with this ip/emailaddress/genersl location"

So just to stop or limit address correlation

ofrnxmr[m]: Nah I mean no-KYC cryptoswappers like ChangeNow and friends... No John Does here

Jane doe?

..... changenow doesnt even allow tor

So Jeff Smith I guess

ofrnxmr[m]: They very well do... Just need a bit of patience

DanIsnotthemanBr: That's how they call me 💃

👀 must have changed recently, I can confirm its working now

Easier to hide in trocador

Unless you use tunnel 😝

DanIsnotthemanBr: Thanks, will check it out

Trocador.app

Or

Anyone had success with peer-to-peer exchanges?

Such as bisq and localmonero?yes

Or you mean atomicswaps?

Basicswap seems good

Gonna try localmonero but they kyc bank account transfers

Yeah going to build k3s and try basic swap, monero node

Have to find that css proposal for k8

<ofrnxmr[m]> "Such as bisq and localmonero?yes" <- Bisq and friends

<evalda[m]> "> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> A sub..." <- Can aid plausible deniability in certain scenarios.

ceetee[m]: Thanks! Can you please elaborate or link?

Simple example: if you rarely buy on a KYC exchange, and at some point in the future laws change and government investigates people who withdrew XMR, you can claim that you've created new wallets for each tx, and deleted them when they were empty

You can't say that if you reuse the same address over and over

Other possibilities depend on your creativity

TIL:

Unless you support scam proposals, you are a gatekeeper and/or a sockpuppet

Jk. I learned that a long time ago

To be a gatekeeper you need the power to gatekeep

ceetee[m]: Thanks! I think I understand... So if you only fund a monero wallet in a single transaction, spend it over multiple transactions and then start over with a new monero wallet... Using a main address should be the same as using a subaddress, right?

YOURE NOT ALLOWED TO VOICE YOUR CONCERNS, SOCK

This discussion thread is for us to force through our proposal, not for you people to get in our way

evalda: dont mind me, im speaking on another topic!

* To be a gatekeeper you need the power to gatekeep

And I'm not a mod in any room, forum or organisation. That's why I can freely voice my opinion; and should use that freedom whenever I see fit.

ofrnxmr[m]: I thought so 😹

evalda[m]: nono, you can use the same wallet and generate as many subadresses as you need. BUT and outside observer won't know its the same wallet, and you can claim whatever you need or want

Crazy person

* nono, you can use the same wallet and generate as many subadresses as you need. BUT an outside observer won't know its the same wallet, and you can claim whatever you need or want

Janus attack is deeper. new wallet only safe way to ENSURE plausible deniability

But for regular folks, subaddresses is good enough

DanIsnotthemanBr: Who 👀

Meeee

☝️

The shoe fit, so I wore it

ceetee[m]: Thanks!

ofrnxmr[m]: Good mention, you should use that to separate your sock puppets from your main account. That's why both ofrnxmr and me have our own wallets

* Good mention, you should use that to separate your sock puppets from your main account. That's why both ofrnxmr and me have our own wallets

Or is it crazy if its true

If me and ceetee both use the same wallet, but different subaddresses, a skilled attacker can confirm that we are indeed the same person

ofrnxmr[m]: That's what I do (new wallets) out of ignorance... Hehe

It's easy and quick anyways

can i just double check if we align with Hollywood/the oscars as a community? we are all about that right? fame and such

also anyone anyone who uses an alt should have their opinion disregarded

but we are all ooo

So no votes allowed

Bollywood*

38mins is 2 episodes.

In hindsight, maybe he should have put a Z on the coin

They'd give him 100k

Siren[m]: I fucking wish

but no, I'm only ct :(

Ceetee confirmed to be ooo

That's what ooo would say

ofrnxmr[m]: A little CG and he can switch that around

ofrnxmr[m]: They would've sued for defamation, considering that they sued some community guy for selling stickers

* They would've sued for defamation, considering that they sued (or treated with sueing, don't remember) some community guy for selling stickers

I cant tell you the last time I watched a 38minute, Spanish movie based on a news report

not my fault that you are not an intellectual

Has anyone brought up the fact that the movie would have to be released under a Creative Commons-like license to be CCS funded?

> All work must be licensed permissively at all stages of the proposal. There is no time where your work can be licensed under a restrictive license (even as you're working on it). Your proposal will be terminated if this is not remedied.

No, and I wasn't aware of the rule

<Rucknium[m]> "Has anyone brought up the fact..." <- Been keeping my mouth shut

Since its a secret video 🙈

Watermarked, low quality screener on the way, rofl

Is there a trailer?

No

There is a GIF though

Lol

I don't see a good reason for this to go through the CCS. If Vik wants to fund it, he can fund it without the CCS process.

everyone who is suggesting the movie might not be a fit for the ccs are sock accounts and il advised

if you're not famous i dont care what you have to say

Noted.

a/s

Bunch of gatekeepers. I say we YOLO every ccs and if they arent fully funded in 3 days, just take the funds and give to the sgp yacht fund

(im feeling angry because someone has misplaced my usb cable, i hope everyones day is going better)

I heart the yacht has an M on it

I am still at lovera ccs, had to check his youtube channel in details so determine does it make sense to receive ccs funding

so beside it's feel like sponsored channel content quality level is not that perfect and feels basic in terms of video presentation

Off the top of my head, Lovera has a couple YouTube channels and a tiktok with 20k+ subscribers

would be good to see some stats from youtube, from just checking the videos it just felt on lower tier level, compared to mental outlaw and similar

The loveraxmr monero channel averages 100 views

(On the high end)

Most are under 100

Lovera covers stuff like dero on the main channel

Also appears majority of views come from non-monero videos

Why are they all "shocked" on thumbnails?

thats just 'how to have a successful YouTube crypto channel' 101, can't blame em for that xD

It doesn't seem to help much

laser eyes and OMG ( red arrows intensify )

whatever the "algorithm" on yotube is - alot of the bigger channels follow this thubnail formula

its dumb but, yeah

Dero moon tings

Scamcoin lol

DERO is super-reliable

they hardfork without announcing anything first

sgp: take note. We need a headshot of "shocked sgp"

They DO announce, in obscure places a couple hours in advance

also dero has 1 second block time and 3 KB transactions

it takes more to sync dero blockchain than monero

They also do cross "chain swaps" as network upgrades.

Something go wrong? Send us your atlantis dero and we will send you Stargate deto

i forgot to say that dero also has 50% premine

100% premine

At the time*

Maybe 50% if total emission?

Oh, and not only they use unaudited version of bulletproofs and unaudited homomorphic encryption, the ECC dero uses is also low security (less than 100 bits of security against the 128 bits seen in Bitcoin and Monero)

Homomorphic encryotion? Hardly

They also wrote Atlantis from scratch (monero written in go)

They invented stuff, that they stole

i like when hyc and sech talk about deros randomx thing lol

or how they call it 'bad'

they as in dero* funny

Dero got attacked with their new mining algo

Had to do a no notice hard fork

Sometimes people are lucky nobody uses the chain!

Dero doesn't want to switch to RandomX because it's not written in Go

Dero claimed we attacked them 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

> Secure and fast crypto is the basic necessity of this project and adequate amount of time has been devoted to develop/study/implement/audit it.

Source: deroproject/derohe

I'll help anyone interested in how to earn $30k within 3 days and hours but you will reimburse me 10% of your dividend when you collect it. Note: only interested people should involve. Contact my user @isheilabillyinvest immediately.

jamesreid[m]: are you trolling or you are a scammer?

That was fast

profile pic shows they have a laptop AND a wide view monitor with graphs on, that means they make money

<Rucknium[m]> "Has anyone brought up the fact..." <- I haven't seen the movie but just read all the comments on the proposal and nobody mentioned this, this looks like one of the main impediments for me 🤔 am I missing something?

Rucknium makes a good point, i didn't realise, and no, not brought up

Am I the only one who RTFM around here? :P

Precedent: libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20211107#c44859

Does anybody know how the coin selection algorithm works with the CLI/GUI wallet? I can't seem to find much information online.

afungible @afungible:matrix.org:

ofrnxmr[m]: you want my opinion for a CCS that is not even in the ideas section, I am rarely on red it if that is where things are happening

your comment about it being set up for a donation from the GF, or something like that, is in a word, silly, not happening

Rucknium[m] has a good question about licensing which needs to be answered , thx for reading the manual :)

also another comment about the structure, being that the second milestone may not be reached due to it's requirements it seems that this should be broken into 2 CCSs with the second being created if the first is successful

this has nothing to do with whether or not it should be approved

Good question about license Rucknium … I think this is the main problem here I think

wait, am I famous?

nioc: my comment about donation to gf, was that on the Oscars ccs?

I believe so

throwing things to see what sticks I suppose :)

wait, I thought I was the senile one here :(

<ofrnxmr[m]> "56jn7tjwywopww5o.jpg" <- If you understood Spanish and could watch those videos, you would know that the recommendations are (mining and changing to Monero) my channel has content about mining and at that time Dero was more profitable than Monero and many people asked for that type of content. Stop being pessimistic if you don’t know anything about me. Only the people of Monero in Spanish really know what my content

is about…

Probably someone else commenting from my account again 😝. But let me see if I agree.

> 50% upon qualifying for the Academy Awards, as described above.

No qualify = no completion = donation to GF, no?

Lovera @btclovera:matrix.org: dero haedforked on no notice due to a 61% asic attack

Yet you promote people mining it?

They sold their testnet (Atlantis) and then did chain swaps into Stargate.

Dero is an unintentional memw

This is a proposal that seemingly has support nit needed from the community

Unless of course the reason for this is is because general fund plans to donate to it

ofrnxmr[m]: ^^ your message, guess I misinterpreted it a bit

General fund plans to donate to it, and be refunded

I smell monerotesla and some of these donors are using ALTs (and dont know about notifications?)

nioc: nope. Spot on 👍

the first 3 people to comment and/or vote were all neg with one being created just that day, I have not looked in a couple of days

^^^ this isnt a fact****

is it just how git displays the "contributers"?

* Sorry irc.

"General fund plans to donate" isnt a fact

"Donors are using ALTs" is a fact

ceetee🇧🇪: isnt new

And its not his first time commenting on a ccs

He's my sock though 😂

I never use an alt, unless I forget login details and I become niocc lol

> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Probably someone else commenting from my account again 😝. But let me see if I agree.... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…f84d2a3d7f6fde20360df53fa09c538d9a9>)

the proposal was posted with positive blurbs/comments from several known persons

i think i was one of the 3 who commented first? or maybe - i don't want to discourage people from posting if they have a negative opinion though

Who were allowed to watch the video in secret, for free

I will now go do some other more useful monero work that will forever be unknown :)

.bbl

And know him by first name

the proposal was presented - with several positive comments already built in

Ofrnxmr just gets to throw tomatoes from the street

i have nothing bad to say about the movie

The movie itself is likely fantastic

Or at least, extremely well done. I trust the reviews

But.. wen monero?

Secret open source closed door production with secret audience before proposal was opened

the movie was posted with 6 positive comments built in

Savandra fucked up. Why did they show us scripts?

and 3 negative comments appeared, big deal

They could have finalized the project and then come to ccs to ask for money

i dont even know if im part of the 3 ,

i assume so

My vote is disregarded because im a sock, so 4=3

Really 4=1/0

for loveras proposal - they are now transparent in the proposal about their cake sponsor / 5 videos a month and such, is it now out of our hands for donators? i am certain that people who donate will receive "educational content in spanish" unlike the ones who donated for animated videos

I also post it in Reddit (Someone had asked)

<nioc> "the first 3 people to comment..." <- Hi 👋 sorry for not formally introducing myself earlier. As I mentioned, I commented on John Foss's proposal before, don't know why that doesn't show up

ceetee[m]: yes you have commented on CCSs b4

and ooo uses a weird name there

I mean ofrnxmr[m]

<plowsof11> "i dont even know if im part of..." <- The you, monerobull and me were explicitly mentioned by midipoet; ofrnxmr doesn't couldn't apperantly, maybe there are already custom ublock rules matching his name :p

again haven't looked in days so no idea what the state of drama is

The state of the drama is apparently that Plowsof, CT and i should become the ministry of arts

plowsof11 is an art?

Nono, we form a council that will rule over what art deserves funding and which doesn't

lmao

I was questioning his qualifications :D

monerochan anime in 3, 2, 1

i am not a movie buff / have zero movie directing experience, i have seen the movie and left an opinion and now im "part of a coordinated effort to destroy the future of monero"

You ARE the coordinator

if thats what the "3 quick negative comments" is referring to (as if this is a planned attack)

plowsof11: First time? 💀

no you were not 1 of the 3

Midipoet names plowsof, Monerobull, Ceetee

Named*

took me a bit b4 I realized that ct was ceetee and whatever ooo's name was there

the proposal is yet to hit the ideas page (due to technical difficulties) so those who receive email notifications see the proposal

or here from the notification bot

Or RSS feed (thanks for pointing that out CT)

i / others offer an opinion (and im in the fortunate/unfortunate position of having seen the film so oooo look at me with secret knowledge (i hate that)

I think midipoet didn't like how i asked to see the movie

I wanted to make it sound polite but didn't want to say please twice and now it reads kinda weird

After the discussion I invite everybody to cast their votes here on GitLab, where we can easily weed out meaningless votes of sock puppets, like @nope and @nahuhh . I say this as a 2.5 year long Community Member, contributor of multiple branches into Monero and donator of this and other competitive proposals.

@johnfoss67 During the meeting, I also give you full right to ignore voices of other sock puppets of the same person, namely (in the order of the given sock puppet's freshness): ofrnxmr, 123ooo123*, w & wfaresussia or any other new sock puppets that the kid will start to contrive until the meeting, because right now I'm giving him enough time to do just that.

Did I forget any of the sock puppets, @anon , a.k.a. Perfect-daemon?

nioc:

Just some of the socks of ooo

where is this section from, ofrn?

We should turn the ccs into a DAO where one guy with 80 million tokens gets to decide every proposal

Previous monero moon ccs

> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Probably someone else commenting from my account again 😝. But let me see if I agree.... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…d7940b9919a324331d797ef8c464d4dfb65>)

I think it's ok to give some funds to a indie movie that features monero, though

As long as it portrays monero in a good light

I think we need to be able to watch the movie, and the movie needs to be released in full quality with an open license

Or else its DOA!

Yeah it gotta have an open license

I wish there was a teaser out there

Or trailer

Not just a gif

There are multiple licenses involved

How does that work?

Is it like different cuts under different licenses?

Composition (script), recording (film), contracts/royaltyies (cryptobears song),

Oh hmm

trailers can be deceiving

Pics look good so far

the quality of the film / production is top class, it "is a movie"

We could learn more about the production quality etc if there was a trailer

plowsof11: Is it?

$650/minute and its much much better than what we've seen from the animated videos

yes , its an actual "movie looking movie"

In my imagination.

Im voting with my imagination. I heard there is a strip club with Monerochan

plowsof: have you seen more of it than what's publicly available?

the director has an imdb and has predocued other films of the same prodction qualitu

Yes

Or I'm missing something and there's more footage or material

produced* quality

i have seen the entire film yes

VIPS and expected Yes voters only pls

Jk. Monerobull just got a copy

Haha let's invite monerobull for a movie night in kernal

:))))

the quality / production is not an issue (well made) - from my point of view - better than some things ive seen on netflix

Netflix is trash

Do you guys know about "teh scene"?

The issue is, imo, that Netflix's plug was far more direct, and free(?)

Siren[m]: Production quality is trash but it's amazing series

I'd be ok with the monero movie as long as it's enjoyable but with trash production you can still have nice content

Its great pruduxtion with a summary that sounds terrible to me

tried to use gold coin to buy soda, fails, so drinks meth. Rip

Let me read that again lmfao

its tried to use gold coin to buy soda, some dude tells him "dude thats like... hacker bitcoin", gets robbed, drinks meth. Rip

Oh shit lol

jokes aside though, its based on a true story, 16 year old smuggling 2 bottles of meth - the border agents are laughing as he takes not 1.. but 4 sips to prove its just apple juice and he died late

Dumbass

He had a gold coin!

Oh wait, the true story has nothing to do with abusing 16 year olds death to promote Monero

Yeah I don't like the synopsis personally

But maybe it will appeal to normies

and we use that story to... shill monero?

yo ucan see the real footage 5 mins into this report yewtu.be/watch?v=DkVm76c880U

Nah

this is why i mention legal concerns because the movie adds audio and malicious intent (which was disputed in court)

ofrnxmr[m]: what i wanted to say

we can "see" the drink gesture .. and laughing - but legally - he took sips voluntarily (as per the deposition)

but the movie states otherwise - and medical help is specifically refused

"Nah" > that news video is so cringe

Why would anyone want to see a 16 year old drink meth

I watched it and then wondered why i just watched it after reading the title

I still don't like the fact that there's a gold monero coin? And this kid didn't search the interwebz to see what it was

Dark yellow bottles, lmao. Looking like hes drinking piss

6 mins into the video**

But whatever movie logic

Siren[m]: He tried to put it in a vending machine

Lucky fucker that it didnt fit

Then he gets robbed rofl

Lmao

Hhaahaha

ofrnxmr[m]: If it looks golden you don't do that 💀

"they seem to encourage or at least permit" him to drink it - in the movie - the officers specifically tells him to drink

and "shld we get medical?? NO detain him"

is this a legal issue? i do not know

different topic, everyone can be part of the ETH trusted setup

i am now basically just like snowden

unless i see a video of edward snowden involved in the trusted setup im not interested

are you saying that there's a chance he is?

plowsof11: Its a legal issue for the family as well...

You cant just use the likeness of real people

ofrnxmr[m]: Oof yes

if im in court saying he took the sips voluntarily and a oscar winning movie comes out showing i told him to sip and i refused medical support?

Omgomg

Is this 24/25

"Ill make ledger employees drink meth"

this is NOT about a bade trade or production quality

i have been pinged twice but from reading the scrollup, i can't see much that i need to directly respond to?

do we understand?

Did it have a cyberpunk vibe to it at least?

It's ok as long as we won't get called out for shilling monero over this real event

midipoet: I think were just talking _about_ you 😝

no cyberpunk vibes (cryptobears song features and i did see booby it strip club)

I guess thanks then. But look, i named three people as they had very similar criticisms of the proposal. Namely, that there should be a vetting process to determine what should be classified as "approved" outreach material and what shouldn't. This is specifically complicated given any artworks that are doubling up as outreach.

midipoet: yeah matrix pings by default if someone just mentions your name

you offered a strawman midipoet

This film will more than likely be released as is, regardless of attributing Monero CCS/Community directly to it. So there will be an association whether or not we "approve" it (with inherent risks).

'believe these 3 trolls' or 'save the future of monero' simple decision

if that's your perception of the situation, so be it.

who would believe the 3 trolls?

why are you purposely reducing my argument to that?

Seems slightly underhanded

in my comment did i acknowledge feeling uneasy offering an opinion on something weve all not seen? offering an opinion that is subjective?

i found your framing of the entire thing underhanded also

"simple decision" believe these 3 gatekeepers OR put it to funding

If you want a meaningful discussion, have it. But don't waste my time reducing my position to some narrative that portrays people as victims.

Who are the 3 gatekeepers?

im talking about this comment

but you reduced my position to being an evil person that gets off on stopping people from following though on their dreams and aspirations or something along the lines

There arent three gatekeepers. i just named them as they criticised the proposal on very similar themes

a simple choice

monerobull[m]1: with all due respect i didn't tag you an evil person

Why didnt you tag me though :(

"After hearing how "Monero" isn't even said once by the characters but "Bitcoin" is, I personally can't support this proposal." If true very valid reason to not support

Im the gate

They just keep me

if you dont support it then you are anti monero

midipoet: yeah, and other people have applauded the proposal for similar themes?

Im a racist too

Damn spaniards

plowsof11: it is a simple choice. Either we (as a community) write guidelines about what is and what isnt "good" outreach material, or we let the community decide themselves.

nobody had to have their authority challenged after offering an opinion

Its not a gate, ITS A WALL

"as a community " but you specifically name the 3 "trolls"

#MAGA

its alot different

midipoet: This CCS also is incompatible with the written CCS rules: needs a permissive license

I don't think we should call people who regularly provide feedback and opinions on proposals gatekeepers

let these 3 negative trolls who are going against everything good in the world be the gatekeepers??? OR

Yeah, while were all making noise, lets leave it at DOA because of rucks comment. Period. Any questions midipoet:

Yes they draw attention but that's because you don't have many people who provide feedback all the time

I just threw down the wall with some explosives

in the context of that ccs proposal comment - i am a "negative" troll offering "il advised" opinions

Can we invite George here

Rucknium[m]: that seems a fair criticism. Someone should write on the proposal and ask the poster to define a strategy for an open licence.

as per your comment midipoet

so the choice is simple as you put it

License or DOA, is the main question

midipoet: The movie is finished and you cant just change the license post production

will you quote them and state that its il advised to raise concerns over the license

There were many licenses tat were established during the production

can't you change the license if you are the copyright holder?

If they don't have the license they're violating the written ccs rules

Not if the movie contains other licenses

ofrnxmr[m]: They will need to reach out to the owners of other material

Ie, script writer might own composition, the camera studio might own the raw production, and the distribution company might own the master

It's possible

This ccs is worse than project coral reef

Can we trade this ccs for metronero

ofrnxmr[m]: huh? He is the writer, director and producer. Am fairly certain he can also propose an open distribution licence (happy to be corrected if incorrect).

They most likely can

So the credits list him him as the doing everything aside from acting?

chesterfield[m]: at least we had Monero as the sole cryptocurrency accepted by the official fortnite store

ofrnxmr[m]: am fairly sure he would be the IP/copyright owner

Again, happy to be corrected - these things are not facts that I am aware of, only questions / complete blockers if the case

midipoet: In production there is multiple licenses in play.

Music itself has multiple.

lets step back for a second. Honest question...If we reject this proposal what does that mean for anyone who thinks about creating something like this in the future? Movie, visual art, music, etc

midipoet: if the generalfund donates a single piconero, i will literally make a tutorial on how to pirate this movie in particular, voiced by monerochan

monerobull[m]1: this isn't about the GF

* single piconero, and its not openly distributed,i will

* single piconero, and its not openly distributed, i will

I was thinking of some sort of a scenario where you have this person whose bank transfer gets caught in the bank's automated fraud regex filter because that happens in real life. If you write things that contain isis or other blacklisted keywords in the substring for example, they will harass you. And that person gets in trouble, has a moment of enlightenment and starts using monero.

i think i read somewhere that the GF will donate? maybe i have imagined it

midipoet: This person already created something

monerobull[m]1: i haven't read that

He’s just asking for marketing money

Siren[m]: I know people getting fucked over this real hard like losing months worth of salaries.

I will now make this into a movie

chesterfield[m]: ok. So someone creates some artwork that features monero, and then asks to see if the community will help market it. The precedent is now no, correct?

they can discuss an idea with the community (e.g. the proposor is an actual movie director with proven talents)

"lets make an advert and get it played at the superbowl" yeeehawwww

midipoet: Correct

plowsof11: yes. This is what this proposal basically is. The discussion.

Community gets nothing out of that ccs

It’s going to get marketed regardless

He didn’t just make a movie for it to sit in a box

chesterfield[m]: right. well if we have agreed that the precedent is no. I, personally, do not agree.

i don't feel like discussing when i specifically state being uneasy about offering a subjective opinion and now im a gatekeeper anti monero troll

He should also use a budget and allot for a marketing if he’s making a film

Why does community have to subsidize someone’s lack of budget skill

chesterfield[m]: True

If he had a very concrete outreach/viewership figure that could be checked before distributing funds, then sure maybe that would be better

im not negative about the movie itself - its really good , the director is amazingly talented and has involved monero in their project

But this reeks of the absurd zcash marketing outreach proposals

plowsof11: At any given point does he mention the name Monero or explain what it is?

Just showing a golden coin with an M on it isn't good outreach if the viewer doesn't even know what it is

If Monero is successful, it will be mentioned in media without any need for ccs

They might believe that it is a made up currency for the movie

chesterfield[m]: and saying the community gets nothing, is not true. The proposer has offered a MoneroKon screening (something we have spent cumulative hundreds if not thousands on since we started doing events). They have offered logo placement, website link placement, and some other related exposure. Its "intangible" admittedly, but it's not nothing.

the muffled "mo nero" from cryptobears song is in the back ground while cocaine sniffing and tits are on screen (i doubt any watcher is going to be actively listening to the lyrics)

apprently 14 times monero is mentioned here*

but none of the charcters specifically mention monero

Then that's bad

one says something like do ya know what this is dumbdumb? its like bitcoin but untraceable.. you're probably ric

rich*

and then scene continues

chesterfield[m]: this reeks of absurd marketing? Where you not around for the Elon Musk CCS?

Sorry but this is just dumb. I get that he has helped with Monero means money, but that doesn’t make it a good ccs proposal

I can't fathom why did those people like Vik left positive reviews

midipoet: Also dumb

midipoet: Smells the same to me

Exceptz they teslas were bought already

sniffing coke, strip club tits, mo nero song in the back ground

ofrnxmr[m]: thank god we have gatekeepers and non hostile discussion before this moves to funding required stage then!

Right?

Completely

exactly

Which need discussion if it isnt open source

Its called noise

But as a lesson, can you three produce the guidelines for outreach material

It is kind of weird that proposal is opened after movie is finished

Which 3

see? you said "as a community"

And also propose guidelines for what specific references are and are not allowed

Im still inviz

Siren[m]: Because look, let's assume the viewer doesn't know about Monero. They will most likely assume it's a fictional (even worse, physical) coin that was made up for the movie.

And now let's assume the viewer is familiar with cryptocurrencies and would like to paint us in a bad light: They're using a real event that caused a 16 yo to die from meth overdose to shill Monero.

and now "the 3 trolls must produce the guidelines" lol

you;re doing it again

And also propose a code of conduct for anyone thinking of referencing Monero

And get artists to sign it.

Just so we have all bases covered

Midi is confused,

im offering a subjective opinion and now im a gatekeeper

No open source, no ccs

you're offering a strawman

Im offering a fact

The movie doesnt even plug Monero

MajesticBank: Perhaps these people whose positive reviews were quoted in the proposal knew about the movie way before and were already funding it. But had issues with managing the budget, and now here we are asking the general fund.

either these 3 trolls can assign themselves as the head of outreach or STFU and fund it SIMPLE

Would Pepsi pay for brown fiZZ WATER

"Its better than cocacola!"

"Sponsored by Pepsi"

> <@siren:kernal.eu> Because look, let's assume the viewer doesn't know about Monero. They will most likely assume it's a fictional (even worse, physical) coin that was made up for the movie.

> And now let's assume the viewer is familiar with cryptocurrencies and would like to paint us in a bad light: They're using a real event that caused a 16 yo to die from meth overdose to shill Monero.

The movie night be good but I don't think it does us justice in terms of marketing and outreach

plowsof11: so you want to lean on a normative judgement of what does and does not move to funding (specifically referring to HOW monero is referenced) and yet you dont want to formalise it. Well that's just fantastic.

i ask that you let people offer their opinions, thats all

Midi, I think you mean ne

Me*

Its us

We are making this decision. Don't you get that?

why dont the poeple offering positive opinions formalise it?

Monero is gentleman's currency, we don't need movies referring to monero in any other way

why must the "3 trolls who nobody cares about" formalise it?

This is literally where we make a prefedent about creative artworks that are having the audacity to ask for community support.

We are deciding to not allow it to pass through

is it because you're offering a strawman?

5 trolls

Cause of reasons

hollywood / oscars .. fame????

plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: they are active on gitlab

is this our ideology

Can you invite them here

you talk about moneros ideology . tell me about hollywoods

midipoet: Because it has nothing to do with monero

but the oscars

midipoet: I'm sure even if we don't merge and fund it, it will still go through

He already made it

hollywood / oscars / fame Monero is a perfect fit

A self described money pit, that needs money to try to go to the Oscars? Lol the Oscars?

plowsof11: Realistically it will not even make it into a local city/region viewing, festival or awards

Isnt that where will smith slapped Chris rock?

But that's ok

Siren[m]: Maybe in south Texas

As long as it's enjoyable

But I certainly think that it's not a good outreach material

And actually does something for Monero

And potentially dangerous for us

Id love to pay for the latest movie about rowboats, with the M ship

But wtf does it have to do with monero? Who watches 38 minute (paid?) videos ?

Spanish, with Subtitles,

How did he have funding for his previous movies?

Budgeting didn't go wrong?

plowsof11: we don't formalise it, because the CCS was meant (from my understanding) to NOT be an overly formalised or normative process. It has a handful of rules, and that's it.

Yeah

Open source or die

completely

but the negative people trolls must now formalise it

Knowing how CCS works they can dismiss all of our opinions

why would i want 5 sock accounts to formalise anything? put that to funding asap

ofrnxmr[m]: imo, the open source licence stipulation is one the only valid criticisms here.

anyone with a negative opinion is being hostile

il advised

midipoet: Mhn

Its a hard and fast blocker

So fuck your gate, respectively

My wall is better

i wouldnt say the only valid criticism

Dont need gatekeepers or strawmen

for example, is it 100% that the film qualify?

No,

the only valid concern , i thought this was a discussion

plowsof11: i stated that the risk of getting sued (seriously?!?!) and the judgement of the quality of the "product placement" are ill-advised.

If film no qualify, 12k > general fund 🚀

illadvised about being sued? why?

have they cleared it with the legal team?

plowsof11: i literally started the sentence with "imo". Is that now not allowed?

If I were the family of that dead kid I'd most likely sue anyone involved in that movie

he took sips voluntarily and those officers where proven innocent of any wrong doing in a court of law

yet the movie states otherwise

ill advised to raise a concern?

"seriously???"

Siren[m]: This x100000

any concern over legal issues is ill advised though according to midipoert

i mean seriously???? i see zero problems there!

Monero is great but it does sound like the movie is shilling a cryptocurrency over my dead kid

And literally using the news report as a "this is what the movie is about"

the movie isnt even shilling monero though - its not like that , i consider it a subtle easter egg / trivia

"Im exploiting this story"

"Call me Alex Jones"

plowsof11: "Monero" is paying for it to be released because it is supposed to BENEFIT US

That is terrible

Evil even

watching the real video rn. why did they put the same exact liquid into 2 differently labeled bottles ._.

if the movie got an oscar and director fame and money - you're telling me that the united states government or whoever isnt gunna say well jee , theyre trying to make is look bad here

plowsof11: It's failing to shill Monero properly but if as a normie I figure out that it is cryptocurrency, I think I would be mad

Thanks to all the scams the general public has negative views about cryptocurrencies in general

"its like bitcoin but untraceable" i guess is shiling crypto

Like bitcoin, is undermining monero

and hes probably rich from it = number go up hodl to the moon

At least Netflix said "you dont know what monero is?!?! You should!"

I don't see the outreach potential in this proposal, however I think there are legal risks and possibility of us getting cancelled

"Its untraceable, even criminals want to use it"

Based on fiction

Siren[m]: I can imagine the headlines

People don't even know we are not a company

"notorious monero darknet drugmoney raises funds for movie portraying upstanding US officers who just want to protect your children from drugs as child-murderers"

> The family of the boy received $1 million in compensation from the US government but the border officials involved were not found guilty of any wrongdoing.

and they also zoom on a brochure that says "welcome to america"

before the interaction with the guards

If they want to use a real life event they should make sure that they're doing justice to the story

It's a very sensitive issue

It would be ok if it was fully fictional

you gunna profit from my sons death? can you imagine that

Alex Jones. ....

Sandy hook...

He got bent over and raped for making money off if sandy hook kids deaths

After looking at it from plowsofs angle, this proposal is looking like a not so great idea that could terribly backfire

The thing is it will probably get released whether GF funds it or not

Like the thing is already made

So good fucking luck lmfao

my legal concerns are ill advised though

so ignore them

I hope those poor parents never get to see it

Stfu plowsof, nobody is listening to you

reeeee, i know

We should move this to funding immediately

Meeting today?

Siren[m]: It's an entire different thing if we fund it, sign it and slap our logo in the credits

Yeah do you want to be associated with it

I'd prefer us to be not associated with it at all

Hopefully it's not as distasteful as I imagine it to be

exactly

You know what good that they don't say the word Monero

Mentioned one and now xmr 🚀🌕

s/one/once/

:/

> @midipoet, with all respect, I don't think the community should accept any artwork-related proposal just because we don't have an established process for judging its quality/relevance to Monero.

Hahahaha lolololollll

Thats a quote from proposer

😆😆 I dont even know what that is supposed to mean

Noise ftw

“So either we reject this proposal and set up a mechanism for assessing them, or we accept this, move it to funding and then let the community (whales or no whales) decide on its specific value.

That is essentially the choice.”

Why would fund it and them evaluate it, thats dumb

s///, s/Why would fund it and them evaluate it, thats dumb/Why would you fund it and them evaluate it, thats dumb/

The person who submitted the proposal, the director himself I assume sounds extremely manipulative here repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/371#note_20494

I don't like this at all

>Additionally, any risk would be born by me and my production company, not the community, so I appreciate the concern but you can relax, because it's bordering on FUD.

He says. He doesn't understand how can we potentially get fucked over because of the real life event he decided to cover.

Only talks about money

Also he targets plowsof specifically

Does Monero align "metaphorically, representationally, or ideologically" with Hollywood / The Oscars?

Does the dollar? You're treating Monero as a pet project for which some small group can decide the appropriate things/causes to be associated with

I think the only reason this is somewhat controversial is because there seems to be a lot of anons who are friends with the director.

he's looking to manipulate plowsof

and dismiss valid criticisim

Yeah but not up-to plowsof

xenu[m]: "Only", more like 1/10

If it gets funded, i see no difference between government and contracts with mates and general fund

I smell bullshit all the way through

Also look what he says here:

>You like the film and the Monero "easter egg", but are worried that the word "Monero" isn't featured prominently enough. This proposal literally solves that, as I'm offering you the opportunity to have the word "Monero" written out on the big screen, with a link to the website, and you're doing your best to make sure it doesn't happen. That's just self-defeating.

He is saying that he will not have "Monero" written in the movie and will not link to the website if you don't throw money at him. Now he doesn't look like he wants to promote monero at all.

If you are subscribed to GitLab notification, read the deleted comments from alts

Irony

Siren: a "this hurts you more than it hurts me" bs

Lol

ofrnxmr[m]: If this was some random guy there would be way less people defending what amounts to am Easter egg.

Like no, actually, this doesnt do anything for me at all. This benefits you and you alone

Offering me a low quality watermarked video

* If this was some random guy there would be way less people defending what amounts to an Easter egg.

I'd rather have a multi episode monerochan hentai series produced by a studio in japan rather than funding this shit

regarding sockpuppets, ive seen a funny email that shows someone posting a comment that has now been deleted and vik made a very similar comment right after but both vik and that account left an upvote

xenu: obviously this was like monerotesla and was supported long before it was brought to ccs

He should just crowdfund monero on his own. Shouldn't go through the ccs.

This is why I speculate ccs is being used to justify a donation from the general fund.

ofrnxmr: whens the monero meet

Thats the only way to get the money out...

monerobull @monerobull:matrix.org: tomorrow @ 11am CT

bruh what

i thought it was today

SGP is sick

i see

Is tomorrow still cool?

one question to those who have seen the movie: does it feature the meth drinking scene or similarities to the real event?

(There is a monero meet - a voice/video conference call - tomorrow)

ofrnxmr[m]: yeah

<ofrnxmr[m]> "If you are subscribed to..." <- I haven't seen them, would appreciate if you exposed them

Siren[m]: What movie ?

ofrnxmr[m]: Yeah all. Sorry :(

XMRPriest[m]: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/371

oh oh

rucknium is next on the hit-list

I want to watch it looks good

Where can I apply to be a gatekeeper? It sounds prestigious.

Sign up right here

20:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> This is why I speculate ccs is being used to justify a donation from the general fund. <-- as far as I remember only dev proposals were funded by general fund

selsta: we've been waiting quote a while for the latest transparanct report

binaryFate adds a comment if a proposal gets supported by the general fund

>This is a finished product that advertises Monero and the community has the chance to put its logo and website in the end credits.

TLDR; don't fund, not worth it

There is other things more important then a movie what ever it is.

i like the money laundry conspiracy

How about animated videos

$400/minute

<selsta> "binaryFate adds a comment if a..." <- this kinda breaks it though

If the "only dev" holds, were good.

(unless there are anonymous contributions by the general fund that arent declared 😳)

But BF can always just drop a comment and donate

Its not like, only dev is a rule

Bf took 10k from gf to repay his credit card hill for server fees after globee/fluffy flaked on the bill

ofrnxmr[m]: with 800$ a minute we can get anime-movie-quality animation

Funding through a shell corp

or was that 30 seconds

idk, turtle looked into us making our own monerochan anime

"Took". I mean, repaid himself after consulting the community.

Sbf

Rucknium:

supportxmr now updating every 10 seconds 🎉

monerobull: Very nice. Thank you

read your blog after the mention in the monero moon. great work rucknium

Nanopool is the only pool left right

stupid bots get no monero

Only large* pool

ceetee🇧🇪: Thanks!

<ofrnxmr[m]> "Ceetee confirmed to be ooo" <- ooo was a god amongst mortals. He ascneded to the realm of the gods

<Lovera[m]> "If you understood Spanish and..." <- I think Lovera gets too much hate. I think recently more nodes are starting to poke up in LATAM countries, maybe due to Lovera's content?

who is hating lovera?

thats a strong word

my crypto journey began with "youtube videos". alot of people fall into the category of "if it doesnt exist on youtube then i don't want to know about it" - lovera has had no hate, simply 'will you disclose these things' ok . 'why make omg faces and shill dero' which he answered

andhres + rottenwheel have also done alot of outreach in LATM

<plowsof11> "you talk about moneros ideology..." <- General fund should finance a movie about u/desnake, Monero's peak entrepreneur (Mr. Worldwide)

plowsof11: Yes, he is a bit of a soyboy so it is natural that he will mention the forbidden shitcoin known as dero haha

I watched some of his videos and he isn't too bad though.

Dang. Dont hold back now

MMcrypto is the king of OMG faces btw

But not quite as alpha as mcafee, but mcafee didn't speak Spanish

i learned how to use a ledger from "cryptodad" on youtube, thanks cryptogrampy

Mcafee was maybe Monero's best salesman. He's the first person I heard mention Monero

how to use a ledger with monero*

Plus Lovera covers Monero news in Spanish which is valuable because things move fast in this community and people in LATAM may not have time to scan and translate reddit matrix rooms etc

<fr33_yourself[m]> "Mcafee was maybe Monero's best..." <- For me it was this twitter.com/tpb/status/774207378539413504

Should have gone all in 😅

The CCS proposals have reached a level of absurdity that I thought was impossible to reach.

Where can I see the video myself?

i think you have to request it from the proposer (asking on the gitlab) , i think there will be a trailer for people

Why GitLab? Its not a ccs if its not freely available at ALL STAGES OF THE PROPOSAL

correct

4 All work must be licensed permissively at all stages of the proposal. There is no time where your work can be licensed under a restrictive license (even as you're working on it). Your proposal will be terminated if this is not remedied.

He responded to some comments, but not rucks it seems

Ruck is a damn gatekeeper. Ignore him

I dont think you should have a vote if you have a vested interest in the outcome

this proposal has 6 thumbs up and 4 down repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/355

reasons for closing: comit is abandonware - we've paid binary baron with the gui to fix the issues. there are open bounties for the cli which user delta1 is handling github.com/comit-network/xmr-btc-sw…n+label%3A%22Bounty+%F0%9F%92%B0%22 , rates where high - and it turns out the xmr was calculated wrong from the get go , we have other atomic swaps (basicswaps etc) farcaster was just released

(which has a brighter future) hm

25 monero for a docker script -> then 10 -> then it was discovered baron had already made it with delta1

after rates where changed we are now getting less work for more monero

Reason for closing: comit

Shortened it for you

kayaba has technical criticisms of the entire protocol too

Someone have that "will code for monero" image?

plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: are they even necessary for the closing of this proposal?

at first glance its 6 up 4 down ready for merge

that proposal is not from commit network at all, as far as proposal it doesn't make sense supporting it

as far as protocol, I am very temped to just "abandon it" as first tests worked well and binarybaron was supportive on fixing the bugs

community / ccs spent considerable amount of money on the technology and it at least deserves a proper real world test and usage

I feel like things were said in reverse here?

farcaster is better defined protocol and is developed in more planned manner however for some project like particlswap or similar in future will be easier to implement commit protocol

This proposal is not comit?

You want to abandon it?

Did you mean the opposite? (Seriously)

Commit is 1 way

Basicswap works in both directions?

+1 farcaster brighter future

i think basicswap is using 'comit' on the backend

or is one way (farcaster 2 way)