These milestones dont make sense, for one

a ccs to 'qualify for the academy awards' i meant, not 3 (if thats how it seems)

First milestone - The film must win an award at one of the ~130 Academy Award-qualifying festivals throughout the world

Submission fees ~10k, almost entire first milestone

Second milestone: qualifying as a result of milestone 1

Second milestone is.. a trophy?

I understand he has plans for the money, but those plans are none of our business

CCS ends after milestone 1 is successful, leading to an immediate milestone 2 success

Its really milestone 0 and 1

0 is submit

1 is qualify

Edit

0 is submission fees to qualifying festivals

1 is winning at 1/130 qualifying festivals

25k to win at 1/130 qualifying festivals smells like a rug

Oscars? There's no fkn Oscar in the milestones

Buzzwords

the milestone is to protect the community in case I drop the ball with securing a qualification

this is literally in the proposal: "I make no guarantees that we will win an Oscar or be nominated"

we dont have to raise funds at once for both milestones imo

Protect how? You get paid in full as long as you win at 1/130 shows that

plowsof11: They are the same milestone

You cant open a ccs for "I won, now pay me"

That is milestone 2

it's one proposal, not two. we can talk about the milestones if you wish.

ofrnxmr[m]: do you want to save this discussion for Saturday? it's on the agenda

then i'd have to clarify its for the 'qualify for the guaranteed cheaper option' then come back

Meeting is only an hr, ill be there

plowsof11: Maths dont add up

3k for movies =/= 12k

Theater* singular

plowsof11: why are we creating new rules for this proposal? should other proposals with milestones open separate funding requests?

its at the idea stage

ofrnxmr[m]: please read what's already been written. your questions were already asked and answered.

No new rules, hes just 1 vote. RIGHT..?

'fund the cheaper option' seems sane imo

geonic: Ive read everything and the ccs is a joke and you know it

you don't have to donate, remember?

and then come back - assuming a great success

3 quote get the cheap one ;)

iirc a movie has 2 years from release to qualify for the oscars

12k upfront and wants to talk about changing rules

why are people acting like we're introducing a dev tax for this proposal. we're talking about voluntary donations.

if you don't like the price, don't donate

The price isnt the problem

Animated videos ate $400 per min and are terrible

This is ~$625

it seems that's the only objection now, since we've run out of legal issuesTM, "but monero isn't said"TM and other isms

And high quality

so what's the issue? the milestones?

Yes

ok, suggest better milestones

I dont know how to scam

lol

Better*

Mj would be a better person to write em

my own ccs proposal came in at 6 months - readjusted to 3 months (lower total funding amount) to achieve the same end goals

plowsof11: your proposal is for an ongoing "job", and it assumes that there will be a new proposal every 3 months

I don't plan on funding my movies through CCS campaigns

only if those 3 months are good - otherwise it would be "only if the 6 months are good" (but , i still added in early termination things but still)

and you'll remember that you didn't really negotiate on the rate. it was a take-it-or-leave-it deal

No it wasnt

so if I fail miserably, 70+ XMR goes to the General Fund. is that such a bad scenario?

what are you protecting against exactly?

Yes

How do you fail?

if someone else applied to undercut me or provide a better service they can do so

not deliver on the qualification

Milestone 1 is an instant win

All you have to do is submit the movie. Are you going to fuck that up on purpose?

many proposals are changed during the idea stage and rarely go to funding without changing something

ok, so this is just a matter of changing something to say the community had a say in it

got it

Read what I just said

I don't plan on going through this process a second time. you know how taxing it is on the proposer to be put through the wringer.

I've made a proposal that is fair and includes some protections for the community if I don't deliver

Scam harder

if you have better ideas, lmk. but saying do this again in 6 months or whatever is not it.

you feel like rules are being changed or something.. i notice there is a portion of the community with a negative sentiment - and offer a suggestion which could appease them? i don't know

What protections, read what I just said

whilst still leaving the option open for achieving the initial funding amount of the ccs)

'eventually'

why cant you do it again in 6 months?

geonic: did ya ignore me?

I plan on publicizing the CCS and doing some actual fundraising work instead of sitting back and relying on people to donate out of a feeling of duty

so splitting the proposal = doing that work twice

you're hiring a publicist though

by the same logic, I could ask why don't you do monthly proposals?

xD

we can nitpick all day

🤡

Mj's best Bud right there

most devs have to do the work every 3 months

mj's daddy

Needs vik to use ALTs and everything

why dont you want to do it in 6 months?

because the gatekeeping is HARD!

<ofrnxmr[m]> "All you have to do is submit the..." <- ^

Core can hold the funds for 6+ months and release them if everything is kosher. what's the big deal?

<geonic> "so if I fail miserably, 70..." <- ^

geonic: ....... Milestone 1 is payout immediately ......

correct

and milestone 2 is if I follow through on what I promised

what's unclear

geonic: Follow through on what

getting the film qualified

And that happens in milestone 1

Sorry, milestone 2 is not get qualifitd

its win at a qualifying show

RIGHT. and then after the film is qualified, the award campaign begins and the money from milestone 2 is spent

And winning at a qualifying show if the goal of milestone 1

What is the goal of milestone 2?

we're going in circles

geonic: That isnt in any milestone

it is

Thats the imaginary milestone 3

No, milestone 2 is get paid after qualifying

Not campaign or do anything else

"Once the film qualifies, the remaining funds will go towards hiring a publicist and running an awards campaign."

that's in the proposal

ofrnxmr[m]: After winning at a small festival**

not sure what you're on about

it can be a small festival or a big festival, I don't know. or it might be a theatrical screening

Anyway

Congrats in advance

but thank you for noting that the price is good!

Its very good..

there are at least three festivals in Australia btw

Maybe you can help the animated video folks with their scripts 😆

I can try

At least with some advice

its been a year and we're almost done with script 1

artists have even bigger egos than coders. it's hard taking advice

you dont wannt do the ccs thing in 6 months , but everyone else on the ccs 'does the thing' every 3 months - and it generally gets easier after a good performance - your film will do amazingly well and will walk right through to funding in 6 months

The scripts for the voiceovers are terrible.

The animations are yet to be seen in final form, but savandra did make good stuff before.. but these scripts can use a hand

plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: why would he wait.. the money is waiting for hin

6 months is just "because I said wait". Thats not reasonable at all

He can open both ccs at the same time, and still split them

But to wait is absolute nonsense

again, the proposals you're using for comparison are for ongoing work. I can give you plenty of examples where that wasn't the case (actually every individual project that's gone through the CCS that I remember)

Time is money, especially when he needs to push a film in a fast moving industry

Id agree with multiple ccs, that are more clear in their goals. But current ccs is a solid no from me. Not because of amount either

:)

Like, why 1 week in new york

because thats where important people live

Why not 1 week at s theater in Prague, Mexico city as well? Or whatever

next question

because the Academy are gatekeepers too and they have rules

we're going in circles here

exactly

plowsof11: splitting the proposal would also mean splitting the deliverables

We dont get any deliverables, really

so how do we want to divide it... just half the Monero logo in the credits? or maybe half a trailer or whatever

Monerochan

ofrnxmr[m]: I've offered to create plowsof's "misleading trailer" idea, which would be permissively licensed and include all the Monero bits in the movie

that's a pretty solid deliverable

Front in the preroll, backshot in credits

ok nice

'i think its breaking the rules' -> core say no , ok

Core says yacht is a go, so im cool with that

'i think everyone shuld see the movie' -> 15% can be public / im going to offer donators a priv link

New year, new yacht

is it donators or donors, what's final

we havn't voted YET

Donationers

donatoes

Ill make a donate

Do not kidding sir

every proposal is a chance for the next guy to use as precedent to push something through

im trying to be v v careful sirs

no more wip , no more pain

no more donate to gf if bad things happen

our GF is rich AF

she aint askin' for no 70 xmr anymore

🥳🥳🥳

plowsof11: you know the milestones will be reached

Of course they will

the next guy will be mean

v v mean

Seriously. Is there any fantasy where the milestones arent a 100% success

no. :)

And by success, I mean "I signed up for school and took a test. Got an A on one of then"

it's not as easy as you think

Do you plan to submit to ~130 festivals? Or only some?

im coming from the point of someone who is probably going to be here , for the next proposal to use coral reef as precedent

I thought the precedent here was the Monero sail?

sir im not talking about the monero church the reef or the sail

Never said it was easy. 130 is like 100 more than I can count on my fingers

ofrnxmr[m]: Serious question

lol

or the yacht? or tesla? i forget

are you asking yourself questions now

Jetla

Geonic is talking to himself again

what im trying to say is fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, shame on .... erm

coral reef was top secret, people donated blindly

Do you plan to submit to ~130 festivals? Or only some?

Serious question

I'm offering to send a screener link to every donor before they donate

ofrnxmr[m]: you don't have to, but it increases your chances

im just aware of the mean persons who will use this in the future as precedent, this is where my suggestion comes from (in this case, you're guna get those milestones but we've seen some bad proposals let me tell ya)

Asking you what you are doing

so we're solving for a future problem, not for a current one

every proposal can be used as precedent

ofrnxmr[m]: submitting absolutely everywhere, including all BAFTA and GOYA qualifying festivals. the more exposure the better.

So yes to ~130?

it will be more than 130 by the time we finish, but not all will be AA qualifying

Have you done this before? As ambitiously? Ie a lot of submission?

no, not on this scale

never made anything as good either

But something similar?

Have you ever won at any of them before?

yes

not any of those festivals, smaller ones

Multiple films?

yea

So I expect... as many wins as monero is on coinmarket cap

:)

Monero will be top 2 soon, dont worry

don't you feel intimidated by our current talent pool of 3d animators? what if they decided to turn the animatic into a short action film and compete with you

haha

(Better shill the shit out of monero when you talk to all of your bid partners)

thankfully we're in different categories

I think a Monero animated film could be a winner too

Omg

$1000/minute for animatic * 40 minutes

we can write the screenplay on Github. I can spam everyone's inbox

It has changed since

sorry, GItlab

most animations are shorter. 15-20 mins is good

i love that eye ball bag

^ I dont remember, but I think this script is still close to the new revisions

geonic: that video has the script for the animated videos ccs

I wont comment on the images in the video, as they arent reflective of the current animations

its definitely better than it was gitlab.com/monero-videos/monero-ado…Use%20Monero%20for%20Commerce%3F.md

Also.

I'm voting to kill the animations ccs and give the money to Geonic

Lmao. Jk. Geonic should take over the ccs

how dare you suggest that they monero outreach 36 xmr also be donated to the movie

:D

geonic: im serious on the latter part

let's see how my ccs goes first. one disappointment at a time, please.

subsidise that film to appease the angry crowd of sock puppets

:P

If youd be interested, or can hire someone that can produce quality stuff at the stated rates... please come save us

can u link me to the ccs

get a film to the oscars is literally 'monero outreach' HM

geonic: They other one is already funded

Its yours for the taking

which ccs

my reddit flair is monero outreach something something

the animation one

Plowsof sent direct link

thats script 1 ^ that we're working on

its been 12 months , let us know how we're doing

design by committeeTM

savandra posted a storyboard and 3D concepts a week ago, what's wrong with them?

theyre great

No complaints or comments on animations atm.

But the script

the script writer had some nice feedback reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/10qrwd…ce=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

but generally - theyre a huge improvement to what weve had so far

Huge

lol

yeah, I think it will turn out OK

So im willing to shutup because progress

just a little slow but that's open sores for ya

The script tho geo..

if it goes well we can stop babysitting them

Scripts*

nah the babysitting helps. just gotta move it along quicker

but that means more work for me

yes, sorry

thank you

had me worried there a second

but you gotta do weekly proposals now so we know you're not scamming :p

sirs, please upvote my daily proposal. there are 6 hours left before it is closed

Plowsof doesnt get paid

The ccs is just for show

haha

Still a volunteer

yeah it's literally magic internet money anyway

Working from the soup kitchen

we're just trading points back and forth

the oscars proposal is on the ideas page

why nobody tell me anything

I did

sad

you have too many accounts

lol thanks for making the changes

didn't you get like 6 spam emails

I did

Geez geo

noobalert

Edited using the browser?

but of course

is there another way? :D

theyre all inside '1' for me, impressive that its displaying now, well done

git clone

edit on desktop

(I think.)

Cant recall if ive opened any ccs recently

ofrnxmr[m]> <luigi1111w> "doubt the gen fund would donate" <- Doubt lol <- I don't run it

different department

Who does?

Binaryfate

Hello? Human resources?

> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> git clone

> edit on desktop

Clone, do as many commits as you want, squash and push

Siren[m]: Plowsof, yuve been summoned

Meatbag

while removing the images from the pull request using gitlabs web IDE - geonic began doubting his actions, "make a seperate commit or directly What??" he exclaimed. feeling defeated and without hope he began to cry. all of a sudden, a shimmer of light... coming from the book shelf.. a gold coin with the letter M ....

Then he drank the meth

haha

doubt is for the intelligent. I just clicked around

click around and find out

rugged individualism , love to see it

geonic: invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=d6sbPCIEMyI&local=true

kind of doxxing myself there a bit ^ i may or may not be the fictional author who was paid to correct script 1

#doxtease

Its ok plowsof, I know my own writing from a mile away

can we ask him to submit a presentation for monerokon (the click around and find out guy)

ofrnxmr[m]: nice

> I believe the gradient to be more exponential. In my experience you can fuck around a bit and not necessarily find anything out. But when you reach the inflection point it quickly rises, and your level of Finding Out greatly increases at a rate well past the linear case.

Comment

Haha

lol that's good

fuck around and find out

<5b2z4xywy> "so they are KYC-free ?: O" <- The “prepaid” ones are. The “relodables” aren’t.

s/relodables/reloadables/

There’s a reason for that. I’m not sure what. I do t know the baking system intimately enough to know. But there’s a subtle difference behind the scenes in transaction processing that makes them more afraid of reloadables than prepaids.

s/do/don’/

It could be something as simple as preside require more frequent interactions. But it could also be a subtler flaw in how it all works underneath.

Saw on Stoic AI that BTC is supposed to have a 100% upside in the medium term...I call BS.

s/preside/prepaids/

i almost forgot, Monero is a swiss bank account in ya pocket glhf

localmonero cash by mail, next question

Friends work

<5b2z4xywy> "hmm so theoretically just..." <- Possibly. I rewrite hotel cards and use em at POS systems. A couple of times I was searched, and they took all my cards. They overlook hotel room key cards.

For exchanging xmr

a prepaid visa/mastercard gift card will be fine then? maybe i like riding bikes alone to and we can be best friends and ride together

Solved

<5b2z4xywy> "not always e.g. when biking..." <- It’s what I do. I’m a digital nomad with a modified electric bike and a solar panel. Trying to be as off the grid as possible, and just live my life, meeting interesting people doing interesting things without worrying about who the tick is breathing down my neck out of boredom or as a means of collecting a bootlickers pay check.

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Power film 160watt.

Genasun WPB booster to regulate the charge.

#monero-offtopic:monero.social

#monero-offtopic Shane on Conduit.rs ⚡️: try thus

I mean try the link without Monero.social

#monero-offtopic:libera.chat maybe?

IRC keeps kicking you

:(

<chesterfield[m]> "K…3??" <- k3s.io

Hi, i got shadowban because i'm out of karma. Can a reddit mod unremove my post : reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/10wwb9…prate_a_monero_rust_node_is_open_to

* Hi, i got shadowban because i'm out of karma. Can a reddit mod unremove my post pls : reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/10wwb9c/cuprate\_a\_monero\_rust\_node\_is\_open\_to/

a working link will help them

Kek why does that link look like that and still work

Approved the post, have fun

wtf idk why it looks like that

thx anyway

Rucknium: njalla down again 🗿

Create Educational Content in Spanish has moved to funding! ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/1lovera-create-educational-content.html

Hey, I need some help testing a Monero feature :)

I need someone to send me an amount of Monero (any amount) with a lock time of >10 blocks. Will send same amount of Monero back 😅

Send address

<ofrnxmr[m]> "Send address" <- Give me 15 minutes :)

will DM

is there an Esperanto term for a Monero user?

literal translation is monero uzanto. the portmanteau "monerozanto" sounds pretty good to me

it's not in any Esperanto dictionary afaict and has 0 hits on Google. machines translate it as "coin-operator" or "money maker", which is pretty cool

I feel like we've had this convo before, any reminders would be helpful :p

I like moneroid

sounds like a type of cancer to me :D

Would be easy to make rap songs rhyming it lol

kinda rhymes with paranoid!

it's a winner lol

> sounds like a type of cancer to me :D

Oh no I have moneroid. The only cure is...

Paranoid moneroid

haha

you're not a real monero user until you catch... moneroid

moneroid rage :@

so many good album names

any musicians please step up

moneroid sounds like an insult

yea