Hi, im currently looking for official xmr pool software any help ?

<ceetee[m]> "that's ... bad" <- ofrnxmr works hard to cultivate the appearance that he cares deeply about accurate and complete information, yet somehow neglected to mention some context. We already changed from 'fixed' to 'flat' fee on Rucknium's suggestion. Also added the onscreen disclaimer 'exact fee will vary depending on network congestion and other factors', which is a quote directly taken from getmonero. Additionally,

there is a link in the description to a page explaining how fees are calculated.

I'd be more than happy for you to join our discussion room if you'd like to pitch in suggestions/corrections for the next video(s) 🙂

🫠 dont ping me without a reason, shitty ass writer

Standalone AcceptXMR CCS proposal has been updated with the suggestion to slightly extend maintenance commitment and increase maintenance budget so that CCS donors have the opportunity to weigh in as a final consensus check: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/374

Meeting in a few hours

The frikken fee isnt flat, fixed, none of it. Its God damned dynamic

I wonder is monero is still free 🤔

s/is/if/

never

<ofrnxmr[m]> "The frikken fee isnt flat, fixed..." <- dynamic block size

> Free for business and inexpensive for customers

It is free

> Monero is popular among younger generations

There's a lie

> Paypal: 2.6% + 30c; Visa/MasterCard: 1.5%-2.5%; AMEX: 2.5%-3.5%; Monero: <1c.

Wrong.

Monero up to 5%

Or greater

how

Monero is independent of tx value

Dollar store Sells 2000 small tx, thats how

> Monero network can only charge a flat fee because the amount is confidential

Nonsense.

Just making stuff up it seems

Thats how zcash works. Not Monero

yes, but the fee is more like the 30ct PayPal has, only that it also depends on network factors

It depends on detwork factors, the number of inputs uses aka the size of the tx

10xmr using 1 output, vs 10xmr using 1000 outputs = same fee? Lmao

Add some volume to the blockchain and apples dont even = apples

If I pay 1k with any of the other providers, I pay 15$ fees minimum; if I pay 10k I pay 150$ fees minimum. This linear relationship does not exist with Monero (maybe 3rd party gateway providers tbf)

^ so why is it being referred to as a flat or fixed fee 😭😭😭

Its is better regerred to as a a "smart" fee. Its anything butt fixed, flat, linear, additive, etc

It changes based on many factors. Some physical (number of inputs ) some algorithmic (tx volume vs fee )

And right.

If a 3rd party has a flat or fixed fee, that is usually an exchange that said "fee to WD with 0.001xmr"

s/with/is/

ceetee[m]: Those other providers have flat and fixed fees 🥲. 2.5% is fixed. 30c is fixed.

0.00003-0.02 is not 😅

.. as the median block size increases, those number change yet again.

Monero is not free for merchants either. Total snake oil

it should be called "dynamic network fee", and on the voice track " for typical transactions 1-10ct, independent of the transaction value"

or something like this

DSM would rather do everything to try to prove me wrong via cancellation, rather than just put the correct into

because, as I said earlier, consolidation transactions don't count in my calculations, because their high fee is split between many customers and its rare the at a single customer pays with dozends of inputs, especially for low value items, where the fee has a high relative share

The shop has to consolidate, yet the script lies and say thebshop pays no fees

If shop gets lore than 146 inputs a day, they need to transfer in batched of 146

This both takes time and money

the difficult part is to not turn an introductory video into a lecture, and all of your comments add technical correctly while sacrificing the compactness of this

The second half of what youbsaid - that cost ends up on the merchant

ofrnxmr[m]: no reoccurring fees

Its an onboarding video series that starts off with a lot of misinformation and confusing statements

as in no monthly fee

Consolidated 146tx = 100kb

1/3 of a block

If merchants actually adopt this shit and we'd need to delete the video

And change info to reflect that as merchants consolidating, they need to pay more

Who wrote the script?

Consolidating = moving to cold storage

or splitting, moving from cold storage

ceetee[m]: Dsmlegend

ofrnxmr[m]: Max tx size of 438 outputs?

Max tx size 100kb

146in/1out happens to ve that number

You can use Txextra to increase the size further

Ah okay

Lol @monero should tweet something like this

Agree? Disagree?

GF has a small amount of btc though. Im of the opinion that we should swap the btc into xmr 🤔

Burn it

<ofrnxmr[m]> "The shop has to consolidate, yet..." <- I guess we could've added "Merchants beware! While setting yourself up, receiving and storing XMR is free, you too will pay fees for sending. What's more, if you've received a high volume of transactions relative to traded value, consolidation costs could balloon into the hundreds of cents! It has to do with inputs and transaction data size and all very complicated things

that would take some back and forth with a dev to really get a good understanding. This is all very important to know before you even consider using Monero."

Maybe you should know how monero works before writing broken guides

> It has to do with inputs and transaction data size and all very complicated things that would take some back and forth with a dev to really get a good understanding

So since im not smart enough to ELI5, ill just pull random bullshit out if my ass and hope nobody notices

Remember folks, "monero is free"

Not, "monero has low fees" etc.

Not "monero is free to receive"

I wouldnt be surprised if you later contradict yourself and say "the sender pays the network fees" somewhere in one of your "tell me you dont know what youre talking about, without telling me" scripts

This isnt grade school.

> U.S. Chamber of Commerce says it is the largest business association in the world. Businesses might listen to it.

At a quoted $1000/minute, dont try to tell me these are intended for lemonade stands

the last sizeable donation in my recent memory to the btc fund was from this : twitter.com/unstoppableweb/status/1428418248521883651 0.08235820BTC (approx 4kusd at the time) but now its 1.6kusd. not done anything with them yet 🚀

Yeahh, I dont think we should have exposure to btc

also meeting today at 16:00 UTC monero-project/meta #804 , MoneroKon meeting too in #monero-events:monero.social @ 18:00UTC

Anonpay if people want to donate shitcoins or something

i remember suggesting that we should atomic swap them (i was young and foolish back then) wouldn't risk it 😅

And I want to make it damn clear.. remember when haveno wanted to hold Stablecoins?

So much for the peg rofl. Usdc lost its peg by over 12%

Ibwonder if monerkon fiat is safe is those banks

<ofrnxmr[m]> "GF has a small amount of btc..." <- Send it to me

With withdrawals for monero closed at a lot of exchanged, can we even get the xmr back 😁

Basic swap or burn it

Or buy silvergate

<ofrnxmr[m]> "GF has a small amount of btc..." <- Oh general fund 😭

Confusing abbreviation...

GF and GF2

GF and bF

GF=Get Fck

* GF=Get Fckd

sir, this is a christian minecraft server

Pay for my sins

With xmr

Damn. Too fast.

Can I pay with btc?

Xmr Condom it first

monerokon planning meeting today @ 18:00 UTC in #monero-events:monero.social monero-project/meta #807

Meeting time monero-project/meta #804

Greetings. hi

Hi

Hi

Greetings

Hi.

Hello!

hello

Gnutesrdrops is the designer of our hard fork logo ♥️. Thank you and hello

hi there, since the last meeting weve seen [v0.18.2.0 released](getmonero.org/2023/02/26/monero-0.18.2.0-released.html), and the [General Fund transparency report for March 2023](reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/11fslu…fund_transparency_report_march_2023). Lets talk about some other community highlights!

i see Rucknium released some research recently

P2pool hard fork coming soon. 18.2.0 and p2pool 3.0+ are required!

the latest Monero GUI + hintos GUPAX are ready and waiting 🚀

Yes. 60 second faster transaction confirmations after pools changed their configurations on my suggestion: reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/11nu4a…ransaction_confirmations_are_now_60

earlier today i stumbled upon a reproducible windows installer for p2pool github.com/WeebDataHoarder/p2pool-nsis (from DataHoarder) - its 2 years old but ive not heard about it until now

Thanks Rucknium and all those that contributed

produced it for a xmrvsbeast incentive

nice work DataHoarder

send questions this way, but I haven't had time to add nicer things to it, works otherwise. it is a powershell script to plug things together, plus installer

Rucknium: i was wondering, are those diagrams directly produced from the code?

Yes

i will test it out today DataHoarder

Here: github.com/Rucknium/misc-research/tree/main/Monero-TX-Confirm-Delay

I need to give it a readme and a license

some mobile wallet news: [Cake Wallet 4.6.0 + monero.com update: Tor Only Mode & more](reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/11l8cie/updates_cake_wallet_460_and_monerocom_130_tor/) and MyNero re-brands to MySu + updates (pay-to-many) - mysu.dev (from pokst)

The Dec-Jan data is here: rucknium.me/data . I need to post the more recent data still

fundraising alternatives: [XMRstarter](xmrstarter.com) allowing free fundraising campaigns (free as in free beer)

hinto: If you say you want to reproduce the graphs, that gives me an incentive to create the README :)

aand i hope we are all sitting down for this next highlights. Guarda wallet has fixed Monero support guarda.com

do you have any experience with gnuplot? i have tons of data i'd like in graphs and was considering between that, R and python

Protonwallet.org is a new wallet being promoted on r/darknet

Id beware of it.

hinto: No experience with gnuplot. If you want pointers on R plots, I would be happy to give them

a kind botnet has been solo mining for us also

solo miners update their block templates the quickest , thank you

There is also a very nice sponsor of ours..

i wonder if this would have any effect on Ruckniums research , if they are indeed solo mining

In the graphs, any solo miners would be included in the "other" category

ah yes , thanks for reminding us ofrnxmr : a message from our sponsors Our sponsors Forked Networking have a great deal for purchasing many ip addresses forked.net

They are using xmr 6.18 so...hop

Nope

s/xmr/xmrig/

ah ok

Rucknium: i was leaning towards R after seeing how nice the charts were

C syntax is also familiar :D

It uses ggplot ("Grammar of Graphics"). I also use base R plot for some things

The Tldr on forked - there are 750+ Sybil node ips that were are from fork

About $1500 to purchase 256ips for a year

You can find other R plots on my blog posts: rucknium.me

seems like we can move onto the ccs merge list, mainly acceptxmr, unless we have some more things to talk about

i'll be copying your code if you don't mind

Just wanted to plug cake quickly

stackwallet has coin control for bch and ltc wut

Cakes latest update has a new feature that forces exchanges and fiat api calls over onions

plowsof11: Also has a new monero theme

Alright. Acceptxmr

b. [Standalone AcceptXMR](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/374)

Im ofrnxmr. Busyboredom, do you acceptxmr?

Yep, I acceptxmr

has recently been changed to include an extended maintenance amount as per community feedback. reminder than merging this will officially close xmrsale / and fund acceptxmr with the remaining funds

What is the balance of xmrsale?

Refresher

30 XMR abandoned

for 1 year

hinto: Some animated graphs at the bottom :) rucknium.me/html/spent-output-age-btc-bch-ltc-doge.html .Interactive R charts (using plotly) Data is slightly wrong. "beta" is in the URL: beta.redteam.cash

Sure you can copy the code

so those funds are going to be re-purposed to fund something 'similar , but better'

30xmr from xmr sale is redistributed into

14+10 milestones

6 for maintenance

+ 14xmr from community remainder of maintenance

Yep exactly

those htat have thumbed up the proposal already, does your opinion remain the same after the changes above?

Merge

any one have any questions? or would like to voice the vote on merging or not?

My thumbs up stays

i think luigi1111 should do the needful

+1 merge

(The footnote is that busy said they need to finish 0.12 or something first), so ccs milestone 1 depends on that as well👍

the more unpaid work the better, love to see it

xD

anyone just seeing this for the first time is more than welcome to voice their vote but i think we can move on , should be merged

Let it go to funding

c. [Computational work for OSPEAD parameterization](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/375)

Rucknium: there was a test, and you where happy with it (even though it looks like isthmus was the one who completed the test? from the commits)

we are waiting for isthmus to make a final response

Mj claims to be in competition still lol?

See isthmus's latest comment. We've gotten into detailed discussions. E.g. which specific lines of R code need to be converted in C++ and what would be required to do it.

> My case is still open, mainly due to the fact, that there was no deadline for organizing the funds. I'm still waiting for @sgp 's reply to our official letter from the 23st January, so almost a month now, before I'm forced to go all in with external help.

> I’ll update the proposal accordingly and add another comment. (I’ll also circle back and answer the questions from above comments)

Is this the latest comment?

plowsof: The R test workflow package was uploaded as one commit. For example, I wrote the skeleton of the package, but the commits don't indicate that.

so its progressing along nicely , thank you for providing a test for them to complete

Sounds good. Im ok with waiting.

yep not much to say

The C++ that Geometry Labs wrote is in the /src/ directory in the repo. Tests are in /tests/

The README is descriptive

just hope that isthmus is more active

the research appears to be fundamental to the monero project, would you agree Rucknium?

A good decoy selection algorithm is critical for protecting Monero user privacy. I have quotes from several sources saying so in the introduction of github.com/Rucknium/OSPEAD/blob/mai…pecified-Estimation-Plan-PUBLIC.pdf

I would agree that's it's fundamental to the Monero Project.

thank you

thanks for being here (on behalf of isthmus lol)

ok lets move on

d. [dangerousfreedom - wallet development 2](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/377)

is new / awaiting mrl / -dev feedback

The importance of this has been recognized as early as January 2015 (see the PDF above). This is the first feasible procedure to directly estimate the real spend distribution (and therefore get a good mimicking decoy selection algorithm) with fully anonymized Monero transaction data.

ah sorry, thanks^

One question I have, is this possible to run on more recent data?

ofrnxmr: Me? Yes. It will be run on the most recent data possible. I know the proposal says up to Oct 2022, but that was assuming a particular timeline of events/review pace, etc

The "dry run" in my OSPEAD repo on GitHub is on old data because it is a dry run.

Oh, perfect.

Im not sure what to make of dangerousfreedoms ccs - is this dev or dev/research?

reg the dangerous freedom proposal - theyve had a performance review from koe of the previous ones, and ive left a 'not so positive' comment (from a none-technical / logistics stand point

Too bad koe isnt in here. vtnerd:

It looks like there has been disagreement between koe and dangerousfreedom on specific things. That's pretty normal. I hope they are communicating as they go on. koe is not dangerousfreedom's boss. But they have to find a way to work together.

It would be good if koe could better clarify his points as I didnt understand either.

ofrnxmr[m]: My work would be restricted to the wallet development

What I mean is that whatever their disagreements, dangerousfreedom and koe shouldn't go down paths without communicating and then have to throw away work.

There is not much research now

^ thats my worry

(@ruck)

i will make sure to ask for some more feedback at the next "no wallet left behind meeting"

Monday?

yep, Monday, 2023-03-13, 18:00 UTC

in #no-wallet-left-behind:monero.social

NoWalletLeftBehind meetings should be resolving issues. That's what they are there for. if DF cannot attend them due to scheduling conflicts, then maybe the time should be moved.

I think the problem was with the wallet dev side of things, this was produced from over 300h funded work: github.com/UkoeHB/monero/compare/se…his_lib:prototype_wall3_d1?expand=1

there were good things (jamtis-checksum related code) but a lot of the wallet3 code was simply copied from wallet2, this is the wrong approach

reg scheduling , i wasn't aware (ive seen many updates from Df during meetings)

Not really. I spent much more hours in the knowledge proofs than the wallet development

Something is not working in the NoWalletLeftBehind meetings if the overall approach isn't being decided there

I thought it would be easier but it wont in the end

dangerousfreedom: according to your ccs you spent 100xmr on wallet dev work, out of 120

It was 3/5 knowledge proofs and 2/5 wallet

that's how I came to the hours

Yes. That was what was planned but that was not what happened

the meetings decide purse / wallet / enote / output - if you have an active ccs you need to communicate with the creator / developer of seraphis for how you can help them

Rucknium[m]: The group is named "no wallet left behind" but its somehow ..hijacked.. development of everything seraphis

I thought it would be easier in the beginning but in the end was not. But the result was a better framework than what we have currently.

I think some of these seraphis conversations should move to -dev, am I wrong for thinking that way?

is there a scheduling issue?

its a new idea and needs discussion, thank you for those who have shared input so far

we also have e. [escapethe3RA Monero Observer maintenance (Spring 2023)](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/378)

3 months flies!

(Only 1 month in plowsof time)

+1

Oi, I want plowsof to close out his ccs asap. Been 6(?) Months

+1 to observer

ive just placed a thumbs up on observer +1

Merge it. Lots of events coming up

+1 observer

I have one small item from MAGIC

plowsof was merged: Oct 6th, 2022

5 months 👀

should be closed and opened again

Someone submitted a proposal to Magic for about 2,500 USD equivalent to integrate Monero into this + 12 months of maintenance. We wanted to get community feedback on it. They have built a draft for Zcash (maybe other coins too): app.alphaday.com/b/e7267b7268d4da17bcc146cf9efb05d4

and compensated for overtime

hinto[m]: Do we have to do it for him?

I guess it would be a more polished themonero.dance

all up to plowsof himself

: luigi1111w: luigi1111: do the thing

Observer

Acceptxmr

Close out plowsof

If any community project needs me let me know.

this meeting shall conclude my 3 months of ccs coordination 🥹 its been a journey. mistakes where made and lessons have been learned (threat of legal action only twice). thank you to everyone who has helped me / had positive things to say. overall my goal has been to leave a positive impact on this community and 'help'. hopefully i can continue to do the same moving forward. this was the first ccs / strange role kind of, so i

assume there will be changes made / areas where i should focus on more / improve on etc.

gnuteardrops: yes we do

gnuteardrops there is some debate about Monerokon graphics in #monero-events:monero.social

good job plowsof

blankpage[m]: And a meeting there in 1hr to settle it

Rucknium: seems strange that payment is needed for integration

wouldn't it behoove a "crypto" dashboard site like this to include everything they can?

I like monerobull's / izamenace graphana

Rucknium I'm not 100% clear on the remit of MAGIC but paying for integration into a dashboard doesn't seem like critical work for the monero project

It's not critical, but it's pretty cheap. MAGIC has funded only two things in the past year.

What

Is there a meeting today

I thought there was one last week

If you don't want it, that feedback will go back to the committee

Congrats plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org you've excelled in the role

<monerobull[m]> "Screenshot 2022-08-17 133004.png" <- ^

Re dashboard

i have almost resolved ONE issue, its a great day

Damn, we missed out on the juicy issues today.

I think those animated videos should be halted / cancelled or otherwise

thanks blankpage

What version of Monero gui should I use?

ah i've caught up with the animated video discussion

we ran over time, but yes, there are at least several people unhappy with the animated videos ccs

dani-g5x[m]1: V0.18.2.0

Download from getmonero.org

to be honest i'm a little disappointed

The eyeball meatball was a raging red flag

ofrnxmr[m]: Great, that's what I use (self compiled in Gentoo obviously :D)

after nearly many months ^

hinto[m]: Quality quoted at 1k/hr. A year later we get an eye in a cage

nearly/many? was it almost a year

Now stumbling through scripts and AI voices

1k/minute

Correction ^^

1k/hour? slave labour??

i (maybe unfairly) expected videos similar to the previous ones

thanks for sharing your feelings hinto, you and i where very positive about this ccs in the beginning (judging by the comment left on it)

on the other hand, withholding payment seems harsh

dani-g5x[m]1: Nobody care

Idk whether people agree but I genuinely like the old simple animations on getmonero. The 3D backgrounds are noisy

dani-g5x , thank you for stuggling with our terrible docs to self compile on gentoo

Im not talking about withholding payment 🙏 hinto @hinto.janaiyo:matrix.org:

I would like to pay them in full for video 1 and stop before they go make even more of this

plowsof11: It was just adding the overlay, ```emerge monero-gui```

Seems fair

Or, they need to finish video 1 acceptable before moving in to video 2 milestone

dani-g5x if anything is missing (emerge monero-gui?) to allow self compiling an issue / or pull request on github would be appreciated

plowsof11: What do you mean by "anything is missing"? Portage (Gentoo's package manager) solves the dependencies and set the compiler flags for me.

ah no worries then 👍️

dani-g5x: all is working well?

ofrnxmr[m]: Guess so, alao the monero package was installed and I have an openrc service for monerod, I don't have that enabled as default should I?

But yeah the GUI wallet works good

reg animated videos: lets be honest - if they where to re-apply for funding (after being paid for video 1) how would their ccs go?

merged?

i think the updated animation is good but yes the timescale has been pretty stretched

original estimation was 1 video per month and its been 11 months since merge

the compromise for video 1, which ive asked for , is to release the raw files. (without subtitles / audio) just the animations

And they are either rushed or they are incapable of writing scripts or voicing them

Rushing*

<ofrnxmr[m]> "Or, they need to finish video..." <- +1

Lovera @btclovera:matrix.org: that being said, its been 11 months

before making the proposal, savandra (living in ukraine) was not aware of what was to happen. so this + energy cuts has played a role in their performance (lack of)

I understand. But after 11 months the eye video?

And dsm writes scripts from Ukraine?

11 months and couldnt find a voice actor in a country that isnt at war?

Or close the ccs and say "busy. At war. Ill be back later"

And then come back with the eye video? Loo

after threat of ccs closure - they produced video 1 and started doing leg work , obtaining feedback for script 1

(hiring outside help)

i'm ok with letting this ccs extend indefinitely, as long as they can finish and get paid

plowsof11: This is understandable. We could then simply pause everything and continue later. So everything is clear

at this point im not sure who is doing the animations. i know some guy on reddit gave them an ai voice over (which they are trying to pass off as being human)

I like how the video looks currently. I think you guys should cut them some slack.

I have another question: these are the ebuild where I donwloaded monero and monero-gui: bpa.st/2TWTO bpa.st/43WPA do you guys think they don't have anything sus in there

Siren[m]: This is 630$ per minute

Or a little less now

Siren[m]: The video looks good. I think so too. But I think there are some mistakes. Errors that shouldn't be there for the price demanded no?

There shouldn't be any errors

The quoted price is higher than a professional studio

I don't think you should close it but 630$ per minute is way too much

dani-g5x[m]1: plowsof:

Siren[m]: You shouldn't have offered that in the first place

What is this Pixar?

dani-g5x: come over to #monero-support:monero.social or #monero:monero.social

dani-g5x: are you seriously that impatient, i seen the message

Siren[m]: They asked for 1000/min

Got merged a year ago in scamming times

The ccs has 100+ donations (seemingly fake microdonations to pump the number)

plowsof11: Sorry

ofrnxmr[m]: Oh 👍

I can tell you I didnt vote for it and never would have voted for such a ridiculous ccs

Bruh next time you're approving CCS proposals for media consider checking how much other people are offering

That is indeed insane

Axe it

No more scam videos

Siren[m]: Go employ CCS treasurer lmao

It was opened in questionable faith, and the quality of the product does not match what was even closed to expencted

Siren[m]: Plowsof coordinates and this person should evaluate the price

ofrnxmr[m]: 🪓

As this ccs is literally pieces, I want to pay them for video 1, and not continue the relationship

CCS proposers are free to quit, we should be free to fire them

Yes

Axe

Pay the first one

Them 🪓

Siren this is a great point, at no point did i think 'hey, lets obtain a quote from elsewhere' - i based my opinions off the previous work, fun/cool/informative 2d videos that big youtubers had used and lazily thought 'yes'

* Then 🪓

e.g. bulletproofs++ peer review, multiple companies where contacted and prices/time frames where obtained / compared

Because we don't make marketing videos

The first one was cookie cutter shit anyway

i wasnt a ccs coordinator back then also so pls forgiv

And "block reward is 0.3xmr" in the first ones lol

Plowsof don't worry

We got scammed

There is no discussion to be had here

Pay the first video out, cancel the rest

What is the problem guys? Not following the discussion really but I'm open to finish/create any video/promotional work for free

#monero-events:monero.social

There will be a bounty of 3500 given away there in the next 25 minutes or so

ofrnxmr[m]: ??

merge some things?

What in the hell

Mister: for logos, artwork etc

luigi1112: Yes sirrrrr

I’m not sure we can cancel after funding… Maybe we can pause it waiting properly video

Lovera[m]: Of course we can

Mister context: Animated video series [Video one Final?](yewtu.be/watch?v=XJ6p-7GTMdo)

We can ask them to send project files, HQ render as well of the video

thats my real voice

374

378?

Siren[m]: And close it

Siren[m]: Someone else can work with those

merge...

And 378

ye 374

and 378 is observer yep

+1 for 374 & 378

And then plowsof will close out his CCS, please make sure he does so before he goes home tonight. Thanks luigi1112:

plowsof11: The animation looks good in my opinion but also very corporate instead of educative. Anyways, what is the problem? Is the animator not continuing?

After merging 374, you can move xmrsale's 30xmr directly to 374 (leaving a balance of 14 to raise)

Compare it to the videos on getmonero

Mister[m]: This is way worse

the animator/script writer are wanting to continue as normal*

And they tried to sell their ai voiced video like it was spoken by a human

done, done. Good work team.

monerobull[m]: Yeah that is basically a scam then

thanks luigi1112

And where is this people? We need that they will here to discvuse this things

n1oc sir?

Its obviously a scam, quoted 1k/minute? Lolz

Lovera[m]: dsmlegend: savandra:

plowsof: i have to leave, finish meeting soon?

Close it.., moving forward

ah yes meeting over , sorry hinto, thank you all for attending

<dsmlegend[m]> "I guess we could've added "..." <- ^

you're not allowed to leave though because theres a monerokon meeting in 20 mins

> <@dsmlegend:matrix.org> ofrnxmr works hard to cultivate the appearance that he cares deeply about accurate and complete information, yet somehow neglected to mention some context. We already changed from 'fixed' to 'flat' fee on Rucknium's suggestion. Also added the onscreen disclaimer 'exact fee will vary depending on network congestion and other factors', which is a quote directly taken from getmonero. Additionally, there is a

link in the description to a page explaining how fees are calculated.

> I'd be more than happy for you to join our discussion room if you'd like to pitch in suggestions/corrections for the next video(s) 🙂

^

plowsof11 nice try, you're not allowed to leave regardless

monerobull[m]: The animation looks like some sort of Blender template by the way

He's not going anywhere, dont worry

Mister[m]: Because it is

Nobody ask, but my February report is in gitlab and Reddit

Mister[m]: They also outsourced it...

Do you do tiktok lives etc?

escapethe3RA Monero Observer maintenance (Spring 2023) has moved to funding! ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/escapet…server-maintenance-spring-2023.html

Fund

Standalone AcceptXMR has moved to funding! ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/busyboredom-standalone-acceptxmr.html

ofrnxmr[m]: TikTok live no… but I can 😎 live are important to grow the community

Live's, ive noticed, get a lot of real people asking real questions

One thing we fuck up on moneromeet - YouTube commenters. We never reply lolllol

We should be reading the comments and answering people

BusyBoredom: thank you GLHF. escapethe3ra heres to another 3 months of monero.observer, cheers!

ofrnxmr[m]: I try

Lovera - you are actually doing what you promised in your ccs, thank you

But they were having a conversation in the chat lol

I always forget 😂😂. I saw someone get mad one time "why tf are they live if they wont answer me!"

MR Justin answer me 😠

Im going to **** sgp wife *******

is cake pay available in mongolia and why are you ignoring my ledger question

ofrnxmr[m]: Jaja

I need android GUI 😡😡

plowsof11: What am I needed for now

Hahahaha

(For those who just tuned in - its a long running, traumatizing experience. You had to be there)

<plowsof11> "is cake pay available in..." <- lol mongolia

vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=XJ6p-7GTMdo what a shit !

sgp[m]: Gib DHL, deutsche Post and Mc Donalds Thanks

I disabled cards of a well-known brand that starts with V this weekend as a test, to see if people prefer cards of another well-known brand that starts with M

Since the M cards seem to have much higher acceptance, including mobile wallets for the USA/CAD cards

Will it one day be possible to use cakepay web via the mobile app one day? Ie, via api etc

The end goal is to basically make the website obsolete yeah

Good to hear. I wasnt sure if they would always be separated

sgp do you mean that virtual mobile debit cards can be bought in cake? That work with NFC/contactless?

Prepaid credit *

blankpage[m]: Can add to Apple/Google/Samsung Pay, etc. Works for USD/CAD cards, if you have a +1 phone number

Revuo Monero. Issue 162: March 4 - 11, 2023. revuo-xmr.com/issue-162.html

We're working on allowing email verification instead which will simplify the process much more

Holy moly that is a game changer. I hope you can get working with European currencies and there is not some dumb regulation which prevents this.

#monero-events:monero.social meeting

blankpage[m]: My understanding (please test this with a small value card) is that you can buy a USA, USD card, add to mobile wallet with +1 phone number, and spend in other countries as well actually, not just USA. But we don't promise that; you'll have to be a guinea pig 🐷

2% FTF for USD -> EUR, etc though, heads up there

Wow. I would first need to get my hands on a phone where I can isolate google pay but I will certainly look into this (all present phones are google-free)

Google services-free

blankpage[m]: I'll get you a free $5 card, send me a DM when you do

sgp[m]: So I need to pick USA country and buy Mastercard… I will try it now

Lovera[m]: To add to mobile wallet, you need to have and verify a +1 number with incoming SMS

sgp[m]: Ok 👌🏼

<monerobull[m]> "Gib DHL, deutsche Post and Mc..." <- sgp: +1 for shipping services in general. Very important for small sellers dealing in monero

ceetee[m]: Okay, I'll pass that feedback along

<sgp[m]> "To add to mobile wallet, you..." <- This number should be USA?

Lovera[m]: I know it worked for my USA number, but it is *supposed* to work for other +1 numbers also

<sgp[m]> "I know it worked for my USA..." <- It is successfully added to Apple Pay, unlike the previous times. However the message does not arrive. I don't know if it is due to the format as I have put it... or something else… Therefore I can't activate it. Will try again later

Lovera[m]: What country code number did you use?

s/code//

<sgp[m]> "What country code number did you..." <- Spain

Wil dm you

ok

Spain won't work since +34 isn't +1

card works, but not for mobile pay now

Is the data in the text sensitive? Could someone use the activation code to take the fund? Basically, would it be inappropriate to use a one time text forwarding service?

<blankpage[m]> "Is the data in the text sensitiv..." <- Arguably verification codes should always be treated as sensitive

Hey guys, regarding the earlier conversation few weeks ago. About the monero all over the sail of a sailing boat, do you think it would be feasible? My dad is also interested in this :D

How often do ya sail? competitve ?

<ofrnxmr[m]> "How often do ya sail? competitve..." <- Whole summer

Would be far more competitive with new sails

Also good ad for entire lithuania

As Lithuania has only 1 port and we always hang around

How much does a sail run?

A sail requires maintenance?

Or sail(s)? Any shots of the current one?

Can you hold me like decaprio held her in the titanic movie

A great photo op

Obviously there are at least 5-7 regattas a year

ofrnxmr[m]: Cost*

Of course a custom one would be more

Are there photos of any previous races?

plowsof11: Yeah, I sent a movie before

Rules about sponsors on sails?

We have around 10 local regattas a season

plowsof11: Rules regarding what?

* a season (season here is half a year)

Stnby[m]: Where

Maybe there is a rule that says no logos/sponsors on sails unless approved by? (Just checking)

plowsof11: Nope there arent

ofrnxmr[m]: youtu.be/jun-pkg4sgI

I am also in the movie but up to you to figure out where :D

Can you fly a flag?

Yep

I like it

But the sail has to say M O N E R O along the edge (with some sort of logo), and you have to fly a black monero flag

ofrnxmr[m]: Cant really fly a flag

Illegal anywhere in europe at leat

The flag you fly is Your country of registration in the back

And country youre in on the side

s/youre/you're/

Stnby[m]: They had flags on those

Small ones anyway

Those I guess are fine lol

I mean we are OK with even having a paint job on the boat itself

But that would cost a little bit

Regaeding footage like this, you think they'd agree to make under an open license?

I have no idea, thats some hobbyist from the club making tjis

s/tjis/this/

If you want to sponsor club itself you need to contact minija.com

Stnby[m]: Even better

Will they with you? Haha

Share*

ofrnxmr[m]: Old people, we get a long but we are not members of the club

Anyway, nice footage like that is imo, important

What I could 100% do is order sails from Poland with any amount of monero artwork on it as possible

I dont want an M coin, a bitcoin name drop, and a shoutout in the credits 💢

Stnby[m]: I want her to look good, pretty and professional

Could do bot Main + gennaker or just Main as thats the one that is worn out A LOT

So other people ask "where did tiu get that?!?!"

And then you can sell monero sails

For monero, of course

Lol

Everyone in Lithuania buys sails from Poland btw

We dont have any local sail makers here

<Stnby[m]> "Hey guys, regarding the earlier..." <- Is your dad ok with accepting donations in Monero?

As long as we can convert it to EUR. So +taxes

<Stnby[m]> "As long as we can convert it..." <- Does CCS payout in fiat?

XMR only, stnbys dad just told me he is fine with accepting xmr

unless fundamental to the Monero project* (code audits / peer reviews where a third party will handle the conversions on behalf of the proposer)

<plowsof11> "XMR only, stnbys dad just told..." <- As long as its sail fee + conversion and taxes

you price that in and dont mention it

Yeah, so you think it sound legit :D

i can obviously post some pictures of my boat

Its just what community wants, 1 sail, 2 sails, paint job?

Well you guys can also sponsor a whole water club based in Lithuania, meaning you can get them to rent the sauna for XMR!

Cheapest, more expensive, even more expensive

* Well you guys can also sponsor a whole water club based in Lithuania, meaning you can get them to offer renting the sauna for XMR!

Stnby[m]: I think I already posted pics of us racing

and we're paying geonic to make the film of one of your races? where the monero sail will be featured in some of the clips

mention only

once

in passing

No mention necessary

sponsor a monero sail , to compete in a race, which will be included in a film like "X regata "Marių burės" 2020"

Just a quick 1 seconds shot of the boat in the background

plowsof11: Submit the film to every festival in the area

the boat has a story behind it btw, built from ruins

and I heard someone once got drunk on it

🪀

" oh look what does that sail on the sail, mon...... oh look flashing lights.

script done

This account is gold

plowsof11: If he has equipment (drone, cameras) he can jump in the same boat as us. Can't promise it will be too comfy though.

stable without being a stablecoin

Xmrbull on twitter has to be the most hilarious account I follow

btw here is the trailer of the monero movie nitter.it/markofdistinctn/status/1632306222455193600 (i forgot to share at meeting)

One day, they are talking as much Shit as possible about monero, the next they switch and do the opposite 😆😆

Its fkn hilarious watching people get triggered on both sides

didnt see monero in it, or hear cryptobears song (although a second or 2 of the strip club scene was shown where it features)

I love that I thought this was Monerobull for a while

rager

Yes this is not me

forked account name

<Bon 💗> Damn he a bitcoin bro spreading hate he probably Lost money on Bitcoin

No, hes a troll hahahaha

Hes shilling monero again today

need to pay them more

its probably fluffys account

Plot twist. Its plowsof

yeah was like 0.88

still going with 1=1usd

Xmrbull though. I hope that account blows up

Usd is really 0

so whats that funded movie about

day in the life of a Mexican ?

Not monero

do they at least pay the strippers in monero

thankfully no mention of crypto/monero was shown - meaning it still has a shot at an oscar

the final milestone is still safe

css personal fund

new name

this channel seems to be passive aggressive central these days

awfully cheery

Next time we'll get the red carpet and put chocolates on the pillows

Its plowsof's fault anyway

Probably, a bit extravagant. I would imagine most Monero folk would prefer a little less razmatazz and a little more room for quiet contemplation and cryptographic noodling. that, or memes.

what is life🤔

ill upload the meeting logs for you midipoet

full of passive aggressiveness, this room is sickening

rude

Hey!... im not passive

i never know when there is a meeting in this room, to be honest. I used to rely on the pinned message/topic thingy, but that doesn't seem to get used anymore

only aggressive

Irc pinned message = no ops?

maybe room ping?

ping monero community -t

Or whoever has ops give to plowsof

not sure the permissions politics of the pinned topic thingy. i just found it useful. Having said that, i could just check the meta issues in GitHub, so maybe its my own laziness

its an hour before the monero events meeting , every other week

its to throw off the feds

2 hours (see, i dont even know)

no one knows whens the meeting on

until last minute

wen next meeting

25th March 17:00 UTC

im being sarcastic btw midipoet, this room is full of cheerful people who are full of ideas and want the best for this project. if you have an issue with the sarcastic movie comments? geonic can handle it and give back what he gets no problem

i thought you were serious ;)

christmas day

25th March

midipoet: Ist it 1600?

the current outdated/pinned topic is a reminder that plowsof can not handle ops

16:00UTC (1 hour before events was wrong)

And events at 1800

plowsof11: i don't think it's helpful to have a funded CCS consistently prodded, whether malevolent or in jest.

have i been consistently prodding it

im prodding molly/endor/animated videos

midipoet: It wasnr merged by us so idgaf

we seem to have throughput for handling 3 proposals at a time

ofrnxmr[m]: what do you mean?

Luigi merged it on his own

i thought voting was tied

Core was asked to step in

They did

End of

Nop

Was never tied

The last meeting it was discussed, was Core not requested to adjudicate?

gave up on molly

midipoet: No?

covid will finish before that server is made

ofrnxmr[m]: in my opinion it was never tied also, except the weighted voting was heavily on passing it

Lmao

molly has an update coming, please do not give up on them

Weighted voted, you weigh alts

alts?

kyc each vote ;)

No voted = real peoplen

There were obvious ALTs voting yes

Obvious as in, they exposed themself with they has usage of git

Did you not see the host of comments and votes from long time, trusted community members?

Bad*

midipoet: Nope

I dont trust none of yall

fair enough so, I'll leave it there then

trust, dont verify

you're standing by your comment that ive been consistently prodding the movie proposal?

I do business, not friendships

do you use a stick or something else for prodding?

ofrnxmr[m]: what a fucking wonderful world that will be then

sounds like a song

Thats because it is a song

sing it

And I think to myselllllffffff

What a wonderrrfulll worrrlrlddd

Probably Elvis

Or some shit

probably was singing it before he died on the toliet

Is that a threat

ofrnxmr[m]: elvis

Im going to tell on you

"Proposal Expiration: January 1st, 2025." imagine other proposals had these

s/these/this/

I think they're technically all supposed to have expiration dates so we can kill them when they get abandoned

Louis Armstrong

do i accept plowsof ping?

or sus

started a pm to bribe you and you mention it in public? nevermind

BusyBoredom: A fellow RTFMer. ❤️

DanIsnotthemanBr: Accept

plowsof11: i can be ceo of monero?

He's just gonna tell you im trolling

yeah i know

Reading manuals is my superpower

Oh, too late? Already accepted?

destruction manuals

no

playing the long game

is this a workgroup channel?

Depends who you ask

The CCS manual is not that long really. I shudder to think what people do with longer manuals.

or the time of day

so it is not a designated channel

or should it be in css policy

We were talking about a proposal

I mean

An in progress cxs

FFS

nioc: On Matrix side the room name has been changed to "Monero Community Workgroup"

yeah

:)

The manual: getmonero.org/community/workgroups

:D