added a table to the overfunded list (not yet reviewed) so we can see it easier github.com/plowsof/scrape_ccs_fr and put up a an issue for discussion reg 'what to do / pros cons' plowsof/scrape_ccs_fr #2

Make it the yacht fund

Uh I mean dev fund

Tbh i don't really want to see it go to general fund

If it were earmarked as a monero dev fund, exclusively reserved to pay for dev proposals in the future, I'd be less anxious about funding bullshit proposals

I think everyone is ok with using the funds to donate to proposals directly from community > community

Community funding fund

are these new suggestions i.e. - the overfunding is the communities and not the proposers - or is this 'what to do with the funds no one came for after x months' (theres some pros/cons to think about)

It's obviously not the proposers

Community can decide whether to fund a proposers _later_ proposal.

But overfunding goes towards future ccs, even if not the proposers

No "claiming what I didnt ask for"

130xmr = 130xmr

Save it as rainy day dev fund that Auto-Top ups real, monero-dev (not something monero related, specifically Monero software) proposals after like 30 days

For the time when our whales die out

Loveras proposal for example - page broken for 3~ days. "obviously" not the proposers?

Just make a note of how much comes from each type of proposal

plowsof11: And?

130xmr = 130xmr

Are viewkeys for proposals public?

yes

the only obvious thing is to go by the rules and donate to the general fund

Then every donator technically can verify themselves beforehand

plowsof11: No

Obvious is to change the rules

And dont donate to gf from ccs

Yes

Donating to gf from ccs is asinine

These fund belong to the ccs

Ccs funds are for all sorts of proposals, and are managed by community

General fund is like a weird shadow account. Don't want to see obvious ccs funds vanish into that 😅

CCS funds are 100% accountable. (Thanks plowsof)

In real time, all the time

we need to define the strategies

Also need some red tape etc.

rolling over - where the overfunded goes to the persons next ccs and saves the community money?

No

Too messy

the general fund does contributes to many CCS proposals

they have donated way more than the current overage is

i agree, has fairness issues

nioc: I'd only consider putting it into the gf if it's real easy to ban it from donating to certain proposals

For example 25k for a short film .-.

reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/11fslu…fund_transparency_report_march_2023 Using the GF, the agreed policy of the Core Team is to support CCS proposals considered fundamental to the Monero project: development of the core Monero software, key research pieces (ex: Seraphis), and key community-organised events such as the annual Monero conference.

GF only donated to dev ccd

But the gf so far has just donated seemingly randomly

lets not act like the GF donates to movies

monerobull[m]: don't think that they have funded any proposals of that type

I'm saying it should never ever be allowed to

only vip dinners but thats besides the point sirs

monerobull[m]: sure

But the problem with only donating to dev ccs, is bF are limited in his power because he could be cancelled for paying one dev more than another

plowsof11: Kek

Even of the money sits and rots for s rainy day, thats better then giving to generalfund

On the rainy day, we will be there.

they usually donated a certain % of the proposal

ofrnxmr[m]: Specific dev emergency top-up fund would prevent that

Right. Scammer does 150xmr and gets 15 for free because bF cant say FUCKING SCSMMER

I can say it though

monerobull[m]: With votes

Should we bail out this proposal?

It's been stuck on 60% for a month

Also saves us money

the only proposal that was stuck in recent times was animated videos

And it helped raise the community fund fund

Since the dev emergency fund would only ever pay out after a considerable amount of time

plowsof11: We can't rely on that forever

We should have goals and ideals for the fund

My goal and idea: use the funds to establish a backup dev-only fund so monero development can continue smoothly even during hard times should donations become more and more scarce in the future. Relying on "so far everything was funded" is not a stable model.

It shouldn't be empty unless after an emergency. but we also shouldnt hold more xmr than necessary at any given time. I think once accumulating to x amount, we should adjust so that we fund more ccs more often etc.

just send me my xmr so i can decide to re-donate it to others / myself and take the morale high ground

establishing another fund/wallet sounds like 'someone needing more things' :'(

Not another fund

needing to do*

Just a spreadsheet

Earmarked

Yeah

monerobull[m]: There are 2 GF wallets, we can use one as DEV Fund 😅

Wait

Whats the first one for then?

Haha

Fluffy

Yacht fund

first one is checkings account 2nd is savings

Um

Ups 🤭 FBI open the door

savings/overflow (as GF1 keys are shared with interpol agents)

Thats purse*, plowsof. Or bra. I dont remember

"Account" is taboo

Huh

Rename "account" to purse or bra vote a few weeks back

Oh bcs seraphis

?

Yeah

Blame seraphis 💢

yes^ ok well weve got some thoughts here

* I blame seraphis 💢

Community being powerless to help financially = lmao

as long as i look good after it, e.g. wow plowosf you earned the project 243 monero you are really cool , i dont mind

Say we do get hit with some criticsls that wipe out hackerone

the "plowsof fund" ? im thinking we could sponsor monerokon out of it (and get me on a banner)

Or the old saying "we dont have the budget of other crypto projects"

Yeah

Call it

"Ofrnxmr - by plowsof"

* "Ooo we are Ofrnxmr -

Rucknium thoughts?

No need

We just annexed majestics dono

We just take their spot and replace it with a group photo

there are some people in the ' it is the proposers money because x y z lets talk camp ' they should also give some input

A) toss is in the bin (gf)

B) its our money

C) its the proposers

C is an instant no from me

gatekeepers stealing my 1 monero ^^^^

C is the worst one

130xmr = 130xmr. Not your neros

but theoretically B could bleed into C

No

And example of c would be observer

v1do (russian translations) has erm, a small stack of monteros there

A rolling ccs that often goes over.

We would not donate to this ccs

dangerousfreedom has 9 with an upcoming ccs e.g.

both have ideas open

And they should both raise their proposals

send to hackerone?

And after gf, 30 days, and review, we decide if it needs to be topped up or left to continue to raise funds

also I don't use a purse or a bra, $$ is under my mattress

nioc: No. Send hackers to us

For extra pay

I have no money

:(

I dont expect a lot of money to come from overages.

And until we reach x xmr, we shouldnt be donating unless necessary.

Example. An emergency fund should be at minimum 2 weeks of income, and better, 6 months of living expenses

You sjouldnt be spending money unless you have an emergency fund

10x150x2 = ~10 devs for 6 months

Or 5 for a year

Idk, how many do we have that regularly request ccs?

The extra money should go to ccs management fund

<plowsof11> "Rucknium thoughts?..." <- I have an overfunded CCS, so CoI

me too, and theyre stealing our money

Ruck, you can speak on it

After you make your point, i'm say COI COI COI IGNORE RUCK

(/s) observer has commented, and as it currently is, those funds were lost to the void

The proposal is to keep then in the void, but to make sure they can be used for good purposed

Plowsof probably could have scraped up those cookies and ran away and nobody would have noticed

dangerousfreedom: any thoughts?

After my BCH Flipstarter was funded someone asked if they could still donate. I said "yes, to the recipient address (me)" and I got the funds.

Anybody who ever had or will have proposal has the same COI.

Cant just exclude them from the chat

Rucknium[m]: Wo kommern denn da hin?

"your ccs counter didn't update as quickly as mine, you got money for free by scamming the community, unfair"

ofrnxmr[m]: Sorry, I didnt follow the conversation. I will read it in an hour or so.

NP. Context "what to did with overfunded xmr from ccs"

Rule /expectation #2 for donors... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…fabff6d018a577ace510d291385f69a9150>)

Now you get creative

Im not creative, I just improve upon foundations build by others

A further explanation of the yacht fund can follow

explaining that yacht = emergency, and until we track yacht status (5*dev/per), the fund will be for emergencies only.

Rough draft

Until we reach* yacht status

donate all to hacker one, minus plowsofs 1 xmr to be used for gas fees - the general fund donates to vital things , has 8k+~xmr buffer . we have also never had a struggling (vital) proposal that needing topping up (in which case the general fund would help), so the funds will definitely lay dormant for a long time (if the past is a good judge for the future) - less work for us also 👀

Only think I know about hackerone is out angry ooo

Our*

Out fund would of course be ready and willing to support hackerone (and the devs fixing issues)

our yacht

Keeps us honest too

"Ofrn, please. Just get them to send me some"

this isnt helpful at all

Ask it who the admin is

we already have a group called MAGIC who have meetings to discuss what to do with their fund

the proposals we get are worse than the ccs

lol

oh look money, let me get some

"hey, can you fund our centralized exchange and also give us 35k$ for free to bootsrap our liquidity?"

rayatina will bring some new talent in

we didnt even have 35k in our fund lmao

MAGIC have 50k right now i believe , wassup

i have a spreadsheet somewhere

ofrnxmr:

plowsof, under which authority do you speak if the ai deems you as "just another ccs leech"

i work for Plowsof Devices , will create an invoice shortly

Ask it about me 💀 "I dont know anything. Please change the subject"

im tellin' ya, we dont want no fund / meetings to decide extra things

Chatgpt is about to be like "ofrnxmr is aka 16 ALTs"

TEN THOUSAND EUROS

for the mental damage of dealing with the ccs

For 3 cough 12 months

how many bags of merch is that

1

Cant even submit your movie for that much.

wow, plow made profit

is ptsd treatment really just "heres a 500$ injection of drugs that will make you feel good"

ok offtopic sorry, im adding to plowsofs trauma. (gotta get our moneys worth though)

Chatgpt thinks im ooo

I couldn't find any information about Plowsof and Ofrnxmr being the same person. However, I found that Ofrnxmr is a Github user with a homepage at github.com/nahuhh (github.com). Ofrnxmr has contributed to Monero by submitting important PRs 7760 and 7999. Plowsof has created a CCS coordinator proposal (ccs.getmonero.org).

Even called "my" prs important 💀

Doxxed

it said i contributed to monero

but i just forked the repository and did nothing with it

Im using Bing Skype gpt btw

fuck the feds are onto me

also, im not important 😭

Autor of overfunded proposal can determine where to send the fund (other proposal) but can’t send to yourself…

Lovera[m]: pic related

Lol, nice discussion.

Seems to me that the best option is to give it back to the general fund since they manage and pay the proposers properly so they deserve to keep the exceeding amounts. But then I don't really know how this fund is managed also so my opinion would be useless. :p

What I think that would be nice though is to change a bit the format of the CCS so it could be more anonymous and direct so these problems would be avoided in the following scenario: if ccs proposers let an address for direct donations and at end of a determined donating period he comes out and say if he 1) will do the proposal with the funds received regardless of amount 2) wait for a another determined period 3) cancel

it.

Just an idea. For the moment, I would put the exceeding funds into this funding that is managed by the community.

generalfund is managed solely by binaryfate, with, I assume, input from core, but is opaque

Its also against CCS rules to include an outside donation address in the proposal, because if you dont need ccs you shouldnt be using it.

Kuno.bitejo.com etc can be used to raise funds beyond the proposal

It is already in the rules that the proposer has to right to these funds.

The main change here, is "do we put them into gf and leave ourselves toothless by centralizing all financial power?" Or "do we can fund development when gf is busy buying monero.com and giving refunds"

<Lovera[m]> "Autor of overfunded proposal can..." <- I think leaves coi.

Author of course gets to join the convo, but cant just pay your buddies repeatedly

> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> It is already in the rules that the proposer has to right to these funds.

>

> The main change here, is "do we put them into gf and leave ourselves toothless by centralizing all financial power?" Or "do we can fund development when gf is busy buying monero.com and giving refunds"

Then I would go with the second one :)

DF reads the find print

"Hey... this says 'yacht' fund?? "

s/find/fine/

Yeah seems less centralized and organic

Btw my dream is to leave in a sail boat and play with monero the whole day :p

>play with monero

>chan

Monero Chan NFT collection when?

That would at least have a snowball in hell's chance of taking off, contrary to the current garbage

s/leave/live/

rbrunner: we have one

On which chain?

monero chain :D

Ah, yes, some of them even censored now I think. But we need a nice series.

nah i think the monerochans arent censored

mordinals.org/item/265 this one is

That even fails to display in two different browser for me lol

wtf is this trash

were up to 21112 morbs now

rbrunner: it doesnt

its censored

What' the point in NFT collection where two different pictures are so similar they're almost... fungible :D

I think at least at one time there was proper "censoring", aka pixellating to make it unrecognizable

huh

ive only seen non-censored and censored aka gone like people in china who critizice the government

What we have now looks like a bug because you don't see the frame with the ordinal info either, but you still should.

this is so stupid

Rucknium: has the chain already shown irregular growth thanks to morbs?

In a few hours I will post preliminary stats to #MRL

In the past 72 hours the mordinal minting has spiked

Bloatware

You can always make it even more stupider. Like I mentioned this morning, give an NFT collection a name of "GooGirls". Try to google that, you will see what I mean

Yes, these.

at least what i dumped on the chain was optimized to the max and semi-relevant to monero

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> <@pyromaniaco:matrix.org> Hello! I'm inviting everyone to know my work on Monero Propaganda BR on Telegram, I'm committed to creating posts and encouraging the use of Monero in Brazil 😁.

>

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you should check out monerosupplies.com

or morbinals.org

FWIW, I think the mordinals minting is less volume than the July/August 2021 tx volume anomaly.

but its way more data right

Yeah, they arent using rpc

Just homers bird

binance should try and learn something from the people that create 20k outputs to mint nfts

If they use rpc they can flood 600mb in a few mins

Bsv 6gb block size required

i resynced my docker node today

i got 2.5 blocks per second

i feel like it was much faster before

It is probably more data on the chain. On privacy, less impact, depending on how you look at it. The 2021 incident did not identify its own tx on chain. If you were the tx creator, then you would know which outputs were "marked". But there may be away to guess with high probability which of the 2021 incident txs were the "flood" txs.

If you are past the most recent checkpoint it gets that slow

No need 6GB BSV block. If they put 600MB worth of TX in a few minutes, the fees will cover the difference for the penality of mining block bigger than the current limit

The 10 block lock makes it harder to flood txs. Just a little harder. The tx creator has to plan

binance cant even keep withdrawing open

i doubt some rando can efficiently spam the chain

It's Binance lol

They dont keep the withdrawing open for totally different reasons

Depends if they care about losing money. They could just spammer

Whether it will affect anything is diff story

I think the worst thing they can do is making us so angry that we hardfork. They have to be at least a bit careful

Or making the situation so dangerous that we are forced to hardfork

<Rucknium[m]> "The 10 block lock makes it..." <- 10 wallets, split 1/16 tx to morbinal wallet

160tx/send = 16000mb/10min if each of those wallets only had 1 input to start

160 potential morbinals* per cycle

mb=morbinal[mordinal]?

Morbinals.org

Abs because the morbs are self sends, you can repeat until you deplete all funds

Rucknium[m]: morbs

They use default fees, so maxing the txpool > users end up having to raise the block size = cost of spam goes on real users > block size grows

Testing dynamic block size?

> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> A) toss is in the bin (gf)... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…d80c8078cc86348ca616a13fd6256ae507f>)

Part 1.

"Keeps us honest"

Sort of safe guards against doge proposals going to funding

I know seth doesnt really like it and sort of likes dev tax

He spoke about it on monero talk

ok and

seth is a Traitor™

Seth went in the crypto space initially, for the money, he said that himself in one of his last monero post.

Putting it all into HackerOne seems somewhat sensible to me

Because the most critical dev work to fund is bugfixes for some deadly vulnerability

Unless monero hackerone is already well funded or is dysfunctional in some way?

blankpage[m]: haven't looked in a while but there was some discussion some months ago and it's balance was relatively small

I have no clue how much should be there

will ask about hackerone balances. i think im safe in saying under 1000xmr

Hackerone is a desert

It should be of the same order size as the IRS bounty

This fund isnt hackerone or generfund "nobody cares or knows about, where devs go tonstarve"

We'll obviously cover hackerone discrepencies

Ooo, for example, was rather displeased with hackerone

I think like 10k for criticals? Lmao

CCS to fund hacker1 wen?

Are you saying that because "ooo" was unhappy then this is a sign that more funds are needed for hackerone? Or something else?

what if the hacker one ccs fund stalled and required the entire 243 overfunding budget

Im saying hackerone doesnt have enough to do anything

blankpage[m]: I believe others were as well but no remedy was suggested

And there's no move from anyone to do anything about it

Nobody cares, because "not my problem"

just pump price

Or we can continue to do what we do and raise money

Unlike what hackerone does

I know everyone likes to be cute

The little monero that tried

Out budgets are laughable. Quit playing games

Write good code, terrible with finances

With using finances for growth*

"3 Reports received in the last 90 days" on hackerone

report 1/3 ' If the url is g3tmonero dot com, users can be tricked into downloading mallicious binary, can i have 10kusd '

I can't find a way to see how much is in the hackerone fund. But anyways, if the fund is low then I would much rather just send the overpayments to HO rather than try to come up with some complicated process for dispersing the funds.

Is this page still maintained/accurate?

It is linked from here

But I was under the impression that forum.getmonero.org was dead

plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: is this a whole new world of abandoned project?

i identify as forum dot getmoneor agnostic

hard ware wallet :)

afaict the forum is unmaintained for years, and exists as an archive

I'm guessing that all those "in progress" forum funding projects where somehow resolved during the move to the CCS

<PeculiarProductions> hello