Another big shoutout from mental outlaw

"We do it for moneroChan"

<monerobull[m]> "seth is a Traitor™" <- Ban¿

Only repeating what he said

sth said this , sth said that omg

He’ll put you out of job if there was dev tax

plowsof11: Seth the dev ;)

even though hes in that room right there in my screen called #optout-general:matrix.optoutpod.com and left us after 4 years of volunteer work cus he wanted to put food on the table , he's a traitor, i dont care if he 'says the word monero' or carries that with him for the rest of his life as being the monero/btc guy

to little, too late

sorry, you can't leave a cult

going clear ^^

Fuck him and His kids

Actually... yes you can.

There are stories I can tell.

But only in person, over drinks

I hope he loses his jobs and comes crawling back, like a kid

Who needs food.. when you have monero 🐸

ofrnxmr: I hope you're /s , that's just mean

in other news: sech1 aka the asic bricker (usually one of the first to produce gitian build hashes) tested the new release and noticed a bug that may have caused a chainsplit. submitted a patch 5 mins later (on a monday no less) 👍️

last week ofrnxmr[m] was on seth's side, and now not?

<ofrnxmr[m]> "Who needs food.. when you have..." <- wdym, monero is food! 😋

sorry, offtopic

xmrfn[m]: I dont even know how to reply

I kind of stopping reading his thing when his site decided to block russian (I don't know if it was intentional or no)

I kind of stopped following him when his sethforprivacy site began to block russian (don't know if it was intentional)

fk matrix, back on IRC, Matrix is unusable now

I get lot of lag on the monero.social matrix server now

Yeah sorry I also don't agree with that, that is pretty rude. I don't even think it's justified tbh like yeah I believe he should have pursued a career in monero and I disagree with his decision to push for "BTC privacy" when the answer is right there (Monero!) but it's his decision and he does have a family to take care of. It's not like he's an enemy of monero or anything and he said he still promotes it. The reality is he did

so much good work for monero for a long time. Why be so tribalistic? That drives people away.

Thats what she said

Ride or die monero yeah?

Blood in,blood out monero cult

Yes. Matrix is disgusting right now. Im seeing like 30 second load times

tell me about it. I run a Synapse server, it's so bloated

If you believe that, you probably also think vik posts from my twitter

Btw

Im Geonic

did you ever notice that you can't spell geonic without nioc?

I was going to say nioc, but figured youd get it

tuxsudo: Everything in this room about Seth was satire.

Was it? I guess I missed some context, my bad.

plowsof once almost got cancelled from Reddit when someone thought his satire was sincere.

Rucknium: its ok. I dont mind if people try to cancel me 😆

rolf. Yeah I almost never agree with "cancelling" however if disagree with your opinion I may challenge it!

Anyone who is paying attention knows better. Anyone who isnt paying attention should do better than to believe everything they hear

* however if I disagree with

Ofrnxmr against Seth over reasons currently in the news = if you believe that, youre crazy

Well you said that yourself over text, can't blame anyone for taking it out of context tbh. Especially when somebody else was also saying how rude it was 😂

I'm ofrnxmr

Not Sissy crybaby worries about other guys lifestyles

based.....?

😂

I tried to clarify for the innocent

<ofrnxmr[m]> "Only think I know about hackeron..." <- ooo is a god amongst us

Is he in the room with us now?

<dangerousfreedom> "Btw my dream is to leave in a..." <- john mcafee

i don't know if ooo is here, but man i liked that guy. he had absolutely no filter and was purely focused on meritocratic development of xmr

You can say that again

He was vicious and would not back down but damn he wrote some good code

he/she

He'll ve back for summer break

Wasnt vicious imo. Just wasnt passive

<ofrnxmr[m]> "Ooo, for example, was rather..." <- my man. he was appalled

ooo was top tier imo, I wish he would come banter with us in the chat

He dont banter

Makes his points and leaves

this is just me spit balling but the overflow funds could be used as a mini bounty to put a kabotch on the morbs. whoever makes the pr that kills those wastes of chain space gets the mini bounty created with the overflow funds. i guess a series of mini bounties could be made for the code changer and the mining pool persuader or smthing like this

why bad idea?

We could have killed them years ago

Its not rocket science, its time / a fork

<blankpage[m]> "I can't find a way to see how..." <- I like this approach as well. Seems you weren't as keen on this one though ofrnxmr

If youre talking about ________, those are already in the pipelinr

Of course im not ok with donating ccs funds to 10k bounties

When we do 25k movies

I though ooo said the hackerone bounties were too low

Yep

So why would we donate to then

Them

yeah the whole movie thing was very ridiculous but I held my tongue through most of that saga

fr33_yourself[m]: We have 0power to change that

who sets the hackerone bounty prices then?

Who tf knows

core? the general fund? or

If you have to ask, you shouldn't ve "voting"

fr33_yourself[m]: Who. Tg. Knows

Tf

Its not any community initiative

It might as well be core, gf, joe biden

Not our policies,not our money

And its obviously broken

alrighty, well if it's a bad idea then so be it. I just thought it would be interesting if we had money to throw at solving problems that poke up in a very quick manner.

Fund isnt to YOLO money

Its to be there in the event gf, hackerone, a critical, overflowing into ccs etc.

like imagine if we could flip a switch and m0rb guy couldn't even a single extra m0rb? Every 2 mins he is winning by irrevocably bloating a chain that should be kept sacred

hackerone bounties are a % of the total

He's not winning lol

Yea, and total is pathetic

GF willing to spend 400k on s fucking domain or refund the money

And hackerone under 100k

but they didn't

Movies going at 25k a pop

Bp++ is 16k

nioc: Still going to refund

Didnt because hahahaha

ofrnxmr is making some good points right now

money was given to GF for that purpose yet it didn't happen

Earmarked donations, what a laundering joke

imagine if the movie money was kept in reserve and used as a 10 day bounty to kill m0rbs

Dont mix my dev funds with that junk

And dont refund it either 💢

You dont get to come to my WAAS and drop 400k and say "kill your brother" and think im going you refund you or follow orders

if only elon was backing xmr and wasn't donating to movies lol

I don't follow ofrnxmr. I think I missed that part of Monero history

Go ask chatgpt what "donation" means before you have directions on what im to spend it on

fr33_yourself: Mordinals cannot be prevented completely. The only possibility is completely changing Monero's cryptography to something that probably hasn't even been discovered yet.

Arb storage cent be* morbs can

Rucknium, you are reffering to a sound complete membership proof right?

Youd have to be real stupid to try to be profitable stegging moths while trying to ruining the chain they are on

Morbd

fr33_yourself: No

Some type of cryptography that prevents all steganography.

Someone donated 400k to gf to buy monero.com

^ hilarious

I see, but isn't steganography by itself a better Monero than Monero with steganography vulnerabilities and mr. m0rb (tx_extra)

Txextra isnt "evil", but its a poorly implemented field

I think I'm actually too stupid to comment further lol I should probably can it now. It seems a working solution is being deployed, I guess we will see how things pan out

txextra big bad boogeyman to me and alex from LM haha

Its a public chat field on chain

Less boogeyman more yuck

A junkdrawer

Its good on day 1-100, but not 8 years in

thats why I wouldn't be sad to see it go

fr33_yourself[m]: Fueling the tx_extra devil

Extra66tx

1/2 1.5kb? Nahh. Lets do 1/2 and 100kb

Do you think no more m0rbs prior to apr 1?

<plowsof11> "in other news: sech1 aka the..." <- "there goes my hero watch him as he goes"

sorry not sorry I missed the seth drama

his article reads a lot like this: geonic.medium.com/price-is-more-imp…rivacy-bitcoin-is-king-20086c9e8543

especially this part "I’ve come more to grips with the power of network effects, on and off-ramps" lol

"irregardless" makes me think he's being serious tho

it's a long con, whether conscious or not. good for him. if he believes it, even better.

<RavFX[m]> "I get lot of lag on the monero...." <- If you're still seeing it, give a holler. Updates and a reboot were done following reports of slowness

<geonic> "it's a long con, whether..." <- You're braindead

please elaborate

A pot calling the fork black lol

tuxsudo: there you go

surely you mean the kettle

Then youd be comparable

You're just projecting

projecting how?

How much was Seth last ccs 😆

maybe you too need to do some soul searching and come to grips with the power of network effects and on and off-ramps

non-sequitur

all you're good at are insults and logical fallacies

boring

You're drunk again obviously

cheers

5 o'clock somewhere i suppose

<ofrnxmr[m]> "You're drunk again obviously..." <- Meth

<Bon 💗> Is that normal bro 😭stay bro and test it for fent

buncha meanies, I’m going to seth’s matrix server

<Bon 💗> No don't go

bitcoiners are nicer anyway

ofrnxmr: what is the "refund" you keep referring to?

<Bon 💗> Please dont go 😞

And I don't see why putting more money into the hackerone is a bad idea because "the payouts are too small" when the payouts are a percentage of the hackerone fund

Increase the fund > increase the payouts

Very simple to me

Last October we received a massive (2500 XMR) donation, and the donor expressed the intent of purchasing the domain Monero.com. After discussions with the current owner of that domain, we did not come to an agreement. If the person who donated 2500 XMR were to reach out to me, I am willing to refund this donation to them, as an exception. For practical reasons, this offer will not stand indefinitely, so I will set a deadline of 1st

of September 2023 for this person to contact me directly and prove themselves cryptographically.

Ah OK. Sounds reasonable tbh? Although it shouldn't have gone through the GF donation address in the first place

its not a bad idea, but a dedicated CCS fund which can be used flexibly might be better

I dont know what planet you guys were norn on

But where im from, thats obvious slimeball behavior

There is 0 good faith logic in a donation given like that

And no sense being used when offering an unsolicited refund that will wipe out (iirc 50%) of the fund

I donated 10k to GF.

Either they buy guns for hyc or I want my money back

^^ thats not how life works. Yall give way too many inches and never realize what a mile looks like

Even the "we did not come to an agreement with the seller of the website"

Lol. # When your drug dealer refuses to sell you more drugs because your making bad financial decisions with 0 oversight

Nobody would know about hackerone if ooo didnt come and flip tables around here. Nobody would know about monero.com purchase if it went through until after wards

And Fwiw, I set goals a long time ago to increase the gf and hackerone by at least 10x each but gf looks to be happy to take VC money with orders attached / refund clauses.

That 2500xmr SHOULD have been a ccs

Idk I think many would say it was "slimeball behavior" if money donated for a specific purpose was used for some other purpose, especially such a large amount. Seems like the donator was simply incompetent in that they didn't mention these stipulations BEFORE donating or attempt to send the money through some other channel (not main GF address)

Exactly why I wonder what planet you guys were born on

Thats the definition of paying for a service

Not a donation

Donors dont get to dictate what theirbdonations are used for

If so, il going to start sending donations saying "buy ammo or refund me"

This happens all the time. Some rich dude says "I am donating X million for you to build a new building with my name on it". It is stupid but not some unprecedented evil behavior

Thats not a donation 🤦‍♂️

Thats a sponsorship

I dont care if its x million or x dollars, donors dont get to earmark donations without prior arrangements.

If they wanted to donate monero.com, they should have gone out and bought it

Arguing that its ok to spend 400k on a domains because a donor expects you to, and also being ok with refunding the money, is insanity at its finest

These funds dont belong to Binaryfate, they belong to the monero project.

They dont belong to the donor. The donation wasnt an accident. It was a stupid and failed attempt

I agree it fits that definition better but saying "soz it's a donation we do what we like" would not look good. The donator was incompetent and it's nice to show some sympathy for incompetency, especially seeing as such a whale might decide to "donate" properly later on if they are shown sympathy.

I dont care if you donate 400million, im not giving you a BJ

Or a refund

Im hiring devs

400k if gf was 4million? Ok. When that donation was a 50% increase to our already low balance, wtf are we talking about refunds and domains?

Hackerone is 100k and gf wants to refund 400? Clown show

No. I will not donate the money WE raise to funds that take orders and give refunds

Xmr 🚀

hello world

Ty plowsof

my bridge works, thank me instead ofrnxmr

plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: good

mine was never down

nobody tell anyone ok

thank you guys

I can't believe devs and community are still discussing if tx_extra should be removed, the unneeded attack vector used by couple obscure services due to laziness

it's like: should we keep using the paper that can be tainted to print bills ?

my only motivation to spam testnet was seeing the mempool size on a public block explorer - with this removed - i feel useless and my week is ruined

i know the coins can't be tainted permanently but the decoys spam can reduce privacy

and now we'll all have to keep on our disks some 8-bit retarded junk art for all the eternity

marvelous

ypavtv97lx: such a removal would be a consensus-level change, requiring a hardfork. You can't just throw those around and jump the gun without warning. There are many services that would be impacted as well

Those services should be well aware of this years old discussion, all we want from Monero it's being Money, we don't need it to be anything else and if some services can't work around with Money then F them.

Monero is working perfectly fine without the need of tx_extra

It's not about being aware, it's about changing and testing new code

we should change the name from tx_extra to tx_extra_bs

And doing it safely without causing potential losses of user money

or just _tx_bullshit

tx_memes

tx_crap_my_disk

We get it, you don't like this. Join the club

And let the pros do their job, or actively contribute yourself

Otherwise it's just noise in the wind

it's not only noise, we're the voice of the community after all

And while you were busy complaining, temporary patches to make life harder for these things are already being pushed

I know it's being limited

But doing things right takes time and work

it will be still too cheap to spam

well

time will tell

merope1: That only means Mr morbs will split the data more and submit more bs tx

Which means they'll have to pay more

And wait more

Yeah few cents more sure

But this harms transaction uniformity more

It's better than nothing, and it adds up

Siren[m]: [Citation needed]

tx_extra is only staying because some unneeded services are using it

that's bs

merope1: We have more stupid tx coming from morbs up for decoy selection

ypavtv97lx[m]: [Citation needed]

There

more spam = less true decoys

Siren[m]: At that point, it would be simpler and cheaper for morbinals to start uploading the IPFS hash instead of bloating the blockchain and spending a lot in fees

citation ? ok, tell me what service is so important that uses tx_extra and that can't be replaced by other service that's not using tx_extra

Siren[m]: No. It means it takes more txes to store the same amount of data. Doesn't necessarily mean that there will be more traffic overall

merope1: It means both and there's more traffic

He keeps going and he won't stop

[Citation needed]

He WILL stop as soon as it turns out all his efforts don't bring profit

simple as that

lol nice

Siren, whaaa

We can keep making doomsday hypotheticals all day, but none of that will help in any way

i didn't know it was that sever

Siren[m]: endor00: here's your citation

In case you live under a rock

sech1: This is true

I don't

but we need tx_extra because mordinals and <unknown_to_humanity_service> is using it

Siren[m]: If you agree with that, then logically you must see how increasing costs and worsening their experience will reduce their impact

lol

The opposite would be a contradiction

state actors won't care

we're now dealing with kids

merope1: What did I just say ypavtv97lx ^

This is a quick fix, right? tx_extra will be completely removed soon, is this correct?

merope1: Another thing to consider is my disk space and other resources

I don't enjoy higher fees myself either

xfedex[m]: When is Monero Lite dropping lmao

You won't have to pay higher fees

:D

TBH it doesn't look so bad compared to previous transaction spam incidents Monero had before: p2pool.io/u/849b56927191041a/image.png

sech1: but sir, why would you look further back to get a broader perspective, instead of adding to the complain spam for the current thing?

morbinals are quite new but they already massively increase the blockchain size. Situation can become worse.

The Tldr is that they arent even really spamming

then push every mining pool to update to v0.18.2.2 once it's released

It always could. Now it's just happening. The sky is not falling

yeah not that bad, reminds me of my car, 4th cylinder is not firing due to faulty spark plug - so what, i can still drive, not that bad...

monero is like my car now

i feel home

Its like someone that shoots you in the foot

They arent aiming at vitals

merope1: The actual spam is happening in the chain

I find the "ehmahgehrd sky is falling and monero devs are doing nothing!!1!11" spam to be much nore annoying

Current notion: We have attack vector that we could easily remove but we're not removing it because no one is currently attacking us with it.

great thinking

No

genius

Its, do you prefer bloated, unusable monero with no rings ?

It's just streisanding this whole thing into existance

Or do you prefer making monero unattractive and trading # of outputs for amount of data storage?

ypavtv97lx[m] if tx_extra is removed, spammers will just use outputs for data storage, it will destroy ring decoys much faster

genius

so we rather have two attack vectros than one ?

genius

Nfts spammers wont steg, attackers will

And they will use outputs even if limit is 1kb

They want limit left alone at 100kb, IR increased

And we actually have people calling for that now 😆

it's one attack vector (known decoys), just two different sides of it

ypavtv97lx: PRs are always welcome

I'm too busy contributing with hashrate

Txextra makes spamming a lot more efficient

well, wouldn't it be better to have one than two different methods to spam ?

yes, have only one method to spam that only makes everything worse

And lets you do double dip on the spam

lol ok

of two evils, we choose the worst, right?

Two evils, bad actors choose both

so you think attacker will split their effort and not use one method ? doesn't make sense

Good actors make it easier by accidentally assissting bad actors

ofrnxmr[m]: So there's a chance they choose the least bad option, instead of 100% the worst one

anyone in favor of tx_extra is glowing

if it was an attack on decoys, it would look totally different

this is not an attack right now

Its not an attack

Right

you think this attackers are that dumb ?

ypavtv97lx[m]: You're glowing :*

nah I'm soviet agent

some attackers are so dumb they can't even write two lines of python code to automate their stuff

But if it wanted to be, 100kb Txextra makes it a walk in the park

bloat attack would use 100 kb tx_extra

decoy attack would spam many 1in/16out transactions

Right now these guys are using Homer Simpsons duck ^^ right sech1:

Neither are happening now

sech1: new Monero slogan: "Monero, bulletproof against dumb attackers!"

This "attack" is either not an attack, or they suck

sech1: You called me down, thank you.

for now.

s/called/calmed/

I love it when people post graphs w/o a Y axis :D

My apologies nioc

adoption was inevitable

Especially important to include the y axis when it doesnt start at 0

<geonic> "maybe you too need to do some..." <- IMO it's easy for everyone to sell all their other cryptos for MOnero via instant exchanges and CEX's. The question is whether or not they like that's a good idea

These morbinals are such a waste of xmr

<Bon 💗> Agreed

They make 12 if each if these horribly terrible submissions

Is this dalle art 💀

Its terrible and weird

At least they are frank about it, no? The collection is "Lame Kittens"

They could at least use higher quality and less quantity

And not poison so many decoys, and actually have something that is. .. not scrap

But nope. They're braindead. This is senseless. Just a waste of money considering the passiveness

Do we know something about that Tamás Sengel? I think I saw a screenshot of a fragment of a conversation somebody had with him

Probably on Twitter, twitter.com/tamassengel

From a tweet: "Our newest Bitcoin Ordinals NFT collection is live! Check out PryptoCunks, a CryptoPunks parody! 100 items, hand-picked AI-generated results"

hand-picked AI result. Uhu.

Bums

^ hes mad at me for rejecting this

This is already fud

<ofrnxmr[m]> "^ hes mad at me for rejecting..." <- But its a holiday ;)

"most cryptocurrencies are open source when they launch" - are there any closed source cryptos?

Yeah

Cbdc

tldr: monero was forked from a scam and inherited bad mining code. for every 1 monero i mined , someone made 50 for the same effort. this lasted for 1 month, and was fixed.

who can fact check or is this the truth sirs

truth

It might be a good idea to compare the possible amount of early XMR mined this way with probable bitcoin owned/mined by Satoshi

thank you geonic

might’ve been less.. a week or two

was a favorite talking point of our old friend fireiceuk

plowsof11: That was me btw

So anon is shitting on monero? Cause it wasn’t optimised initially?

Seems like a way to get views

its the new meta

Meta verse

<Rucknium[m]> "It might be a good idea to..." <- There was also the 1 minute blocks > 2 minute blocks

plowsof11: Some examples of proprietary cryptocurrency projects include Facebook's digital currency (cointelegraph.com), JPMorgan Chase's JPM Coin (cointelegraph.com), Walmart's digital currency (cointelegraph.com), AirAsia's BigCoin (cointelegraph.com), Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group's MUFG Coin (cointelegraph.com), Amazon's digital currency (cointelegraph.com), and Tencent's digital currency (cointelegraph.com).

<plowsof11> "who can fact check or is this..." <- Premine or unfair launch is just nonsense… it’s truth but it is no sense

Similar situation was with bitcoin and nobody say that Bitcoin was premine or unfair launch

Bitcoin is different

Because. Satoshi is God

He's allowed to have 10% of the supply 🥹

Copeful cope

ofrnxmr[m]: Look at Bitcoin, Firts GPU miner when lazlo use it firts time… Many many time more powerful than CPU miner… and how do you check how long he mined! ?

Then Hanyecz even say that satoshi was knower about GPU miner software even before lazlo

Craig wright

So that is just stupid

BTC: The first hybrid pow/pos blockchain

speaking of stupid. the dumbest trend I've seen in this channel is concern about what whales do with their xmr

newsflash: you don't get to say what ppl spend their xmr on or who they give it to. that includes the GF

That has to be the dumbest take ever posted in here

we've fallen pretty low if we're telling people what's ok to do with their money and what isn't

I guess that's a dumb take now. I need to get up to speed with the new regime

Who's telling who what to do with what money?

what was your diatribe about if not that? person gave 2500 xmr, how dumb. we're not giving it back. fuck core!

Is someone telling Geonic what to do with geonics money?

Why is Geonic talking?

What was my diatribe?

the committee to save the whales is super cringe and I'm calling it out

You're an idiot

Plain and simple

Dont you have an Oscar to win?

why is it always an ad hominem followed by a non-sequitur with you. it's getting predictable

And arent you the hypocrite clown that called out Diego and core ?

you're calling out Core for... doing the decent thing when they couldn't fulfill the donor's wishes?

you're the idiot buddy

Donors wishes 🥹

get off your high horse

Go drink some more meth with your tin foil hat, im 16 ALTs remember

My defender of scammers

Mr*

hello i am ofrn #8

oh and "it's OK to give a refund if it's 10% of the GF! but we'd be poor if we gave it back now, so that's not OK!"

have you heard of morals or ethics

did the domain guy ever come back to us?

LMAO coming from you 🥹🥹🥹

i thought they just dropped the coins and left

why would he come back to YOU? who tf is "us"?

oh stfu geonic

the fucking github discussion

that just shows your level of entitlement

where you know, they posted a message, donated and left

Geonics point is gf is none of our biz

But its all of his when Diego gets paid

they gave the money to core so they'd come back to core. they wouldn't come begging to the save the whale committee

Geo, your ccs is shit

ofrnxmr[m]: not relavent to the discussion but facts

s/relavent/relevant/

non squitur is a non sequitur

Scammers gonna scam

<ofrnxmr[m]> Geonics point is gf is none of our biz <- there are two arguments here and you're a little confused so let me elaborate. 1) anyone is free to donate to the GF for whatever cause they wish 2) the GF is free to offer a refund of any donation (or not), as they have done for CCS proposals in the past

everything else is a gatekeeping idiocy

and yeah, hiring an employee without telling the community and slowly draining the GF is not OK. that was recognized by core and that's why we have the transparency reports now. you're welcome.

We have transparancy reports?

What, once every 18 months?

do you want them weekly in your inbox?

Lol, thx for nothing

give money, dont ask questions

Diego Salazar: welcome back

Where is the Oscar?

I swear this committee is something else

there is no committee

xenu[m]: read the CCS, no Oscar promised

this is a committee

there is no Gate Keeping Committee (GKC for short)

geonic: cant you pay the 2k$ bribe and get an automatic oscar 😭

plowsof11 aka Save the Whales Committee (SWC)

I wish, would've done it with a home video :p

did you already kick Majestic out

Bp++ 16k

Geonic 22k

geonic: Yep

why are you still here there are whales drowning out in the ocean. go save them

bbl gonna go work on the oscar

Come back when you need to collect your other 12k

Geonic wants to save a whale.

Accuses me of trying to save the whales.

<geonic> "did you already kick Majestic..." <- apparently we dont have the power to do so :(

I guess we're all saving the whales in different ways. I'm just not telling them what they should and shouldn't do

sgp can do it

isn't he the magic dictator

Looks like for this there needs to be a voter recall election, which my impression is that we should do

told ya :p

I wanted to avoid a case where voters wanted people on the committee who were unpopular (but not corrupt, etc), and for the other members to vote them out of spite etc

Oh well, another election is annoying but not the end of the world. Maybe we can combine 2 in 1, will look into

<ofrnxmr[m]> Bp++ 16k <<>> it's going to be more, increase tbd

or should we just raise it before we know?

feel free to overfund guys ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/bulletproofs-pp-peer-review.html

Liam responded today, so we have news coming

The BP++ CCS was for scaring the paper author into actually completing the paper

Rucknium[m]: good work, thx :)

yes plowsof11 working even when we don't see him doing so

I see him 👁️‍🗨️

im trying to print some nfts

yes, moving it to funding seems to have increased my contact with the author, who now set a target for april 14th to get the new draft out

Thanks gatekeeper plowsof ser

plowserof

<monerobull[m]> "grafik.png" <- absolutely proprietary!

discord is where majestic lives

s/majestic/magic/

majestic bank?

oh you edited lmao

yeah

for personal shenanigans i prefer jitsi.debian.social

just start a group call in matrix, it currently uses jitsi

they have matrix-native call rooms in beta tho

what

wow

you not know?

i didnt know they use jtisi

I guess it's somewhat ambiguous unless you look into it

all i know about matrix voice calls is that the FUCKING MUTE BUTTON is only cosmetic on android

however 1 on 1 calls have always been matrix native

yeah plowsof

i was in a matrix call with someone

i pressed mute bcs i was talking to my mom

they heard everyhting

wait fr

how long ago was that?

yes

tuxsudo[m]: lemme check

surely they had to have patched it 🥲

Matrix moment

fr

Irc doesn't have this problem

this doesn't have much to do with matrix, more to do with Element, the main client for it

comparing a cosmetic client issue to a procotol doesn'

* procotol doesn't make any sense

yeah idk

i think it was this year

anyways

we confirmed that the mute button 100% doesnt do shit

ima have to try this out

pixel 6 pro, element

young plowsof playing call of duty: how does he know what im saying? (muting team mates in game let them hear everything you said still)

battlebit remastered is great

it, by default, opens your mic for a couple of seconds after you die

<tuxsudo[m]> "comparing a cosmetic client..." <- True tux but there aren't any other usable clients

Matrix is such a tightly coupled infrastructure that comparing it to a network protocol would be dishonest

<cockliuser[m]> "True tux but there aren't any..." <- I like cinny, it's a rust based client but it's only on desktop and doesn't support voice. Personally I don't mind element but the mute bug is pretty messed up 💀

Must have only been on android since I've done 1 on 1 calls on element desktop for years and never ran into that issue

At least that nobody told you 😆

I will say synapse is bloated and slow, matrix with the official server does not scale well

Yeah, matrix synapse do have extreme bloat for having tried it. I think there better client made in c++

s/client/server/

There is dendrite