Meetup coming later this month in Luxembourg: reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/12ivkn…rg_meetup_with_a_free_round_of_beer

Flatpak monero-gui stats (linked by BigmenPixel on their CCS proposal) beta.flathub.org/apps/org.getmonero.Monero

we will have the option of getting a twitter 'blue tick' like OBS. but, it depends if the community wants this (flathub servers are still third party) beta.flathub.org/apps/com.obsproject.Studio

thats not what the verified status is meant to convey. its meant to convey that the person uploading this flatpak is whom they say they are.

s/uploading/controlling/

ah right, true, the "uploader of the files" is legit

i mean that we have "created a page at getmonero.org/.well-known/org.flathub.VerifiedApps.txt containing a token"

thats it kinghat nothin' more nothin' less , it doesnt ensure the integrity of the files there. we still must confirm hashes. which is possible. thats why im saying its optional

right

its ok

we'll host our own repo

not using flathub

i still think the tokens should be in the hands of core/maintainers. the token on the website will be public, not sure about the repo one. for sure they should be in more than one persons hands in case of bus.

thats bad

its not 2fa

its a master key

cant just not know who let it leak

eventually someone else will have to get involved as it needs to be add to the website repo so 🤷‍♂️

wre hosting our own repo. anything else is a waste of time

we dont host our own repos of all the paces our packages are distributed. including github.

getmonero.org anyone? lol

flathub.com anyone? smh

ubuntu.com

facepalm

"all", except for all

they will be sent directly to someone from Core - thats the best due diligence we can do on our end. bigmenpixel's ccs is to get it to the core repo (improvement 1) which comes with hashes people can trust / check (improvement 2) - and maintain it for a year. getting a server / with bandwidth is going to take (time N) during which slave labour will be happening

eassssssyy

ok lets wait for it to happen

:D

core could take over control of the flathub account 🤷‍♂️

monero core team hello set this up on a server with enough bandwidth github.com/flatpak/flat-manager . find someone to maintain it also

99% uptime or else

same uptime as getmonero

getmonero binaries where hacked already so why would we trust getmonero

download file from getmonero = check hashes. same as flathub

and we can leach of their servers for free

manually hosting the repository for anything other than a beta is a non starter. im not saying it shouldnt be done, and probably should for backup, but its like saying the monero gui android build should never be on the play store and only self hosted repo.

do flathub hashes match gitian builds?

kinghat[m]: how?

flathub is literally manualy hosting arepo

fedora, rpm fusion repos

theres plenty of self hosted repos. lol.

mebbe we are thinking of different things. flathub is 3rd party to "us" but first party to everyone else.

<plowsof11> getmonero binaries where hacked already so why would we trust getmonero <<>> that attack vector has been fixed™

kinghat[m]: no it isnt

whats your question?

it flathub even enabled in kubuntu by default? or fedora? no

yes

Actually, Fedora yes

its a third party app store

<- heavy Fedora user

flatgub has to be enabled in fedora iirc

lol

<- recovering former windows user

Fedora has a FOSS-only filter for legal reasons by default that you can override, but it does include Flathub by default and it's easy to remove the filter

bro jqpublic isnt going to setup a special repository for their internet money

They are looking to remove that filter I believe either with Fedora 38 this month, or next release in October

yeah, you click the button that adds the repo

> tips Fedora

which is the same as any other third party repo

im not against hosting a monero flatpak repo, but im against not putting it on flathub as well.

the people who want to make sure it come directly from monero can go through the trouble to add the special repo.

s/come/comes/

Flatpak is installed by default on Fedora Workstation, Fedora Silverblue, and Fedora Kinoite. To get started, all you need to do is enable Flathub, which is the best way to get Flatpak apps. Just download and install the .

flatpak repository file*

kinghat[m]: its a button press

easier than downloading the zip

Easier... As long as you have systemd

its the default next build

imagine working on getting an official monero gui working on android and then told it cant be on the play store and can only be used from fdroid.

miss me with that shit

I think kinghat's point though is making it as easy as possible to download Monero w/o having to add a source repository to your package manager. It's not hard, but it just needlessly reduces accessibility

also, wtf is the point of the flatpak then? just go get the damn binary from gh and install it yourself grandma!

currently > go to germnero.org

current flatpak is known, but could have been from anyone

And they're right, everyone gets what they want. People who want Certified^TM bins can add the Monero repo. Those who just search Monero can grab it instantly w/o having to do much of anything

We need to get Monero GUI installed as the default money app for Ubuntu

Someone make a PR

proposed > go to getmonero.org once

* of anything from Flathub

xmrscott[m]: im all for keeping on flathub

but not as a solution

just as a convenience

short term improvement on what we have no , bigmenpixel will take care of us

what we have now*

he has fathered 24k monero gui children so far

yeah, but ultimately a wash

nobody cares if its verified, or checks hashes of it, or cared to confirm it was good

Ok good. So long as Monero isn't removed from Flathub I don't really care mind the other pieces 😀

* really care or mind the

Would be nice if Monero where in distrib repo or easily that for sure. Grabing it on getmonero work but considering monero is available in the Windows package manager I don't see why we don't have official build for most Linux flavor. It's a convenience like ofrn said, Users like to be able to grab there binary from a single source for there distrib

monero = Crypto OG = debian repo, in my eyes, I can't believe we can maintain such complex systems and math and not debian repo ( that can be used on different distros later )

vrypto og = debian?

Part of that was process. Monero forks at one point required 6 month updates otherwise you'd be on the wrong chain. Debian stable doesn't really move at a pace to easily allow for that

i thought crpto peeps bilt from source

maybe because Debian usually have OG package version lol

yeah lolol

flatpak is monero gui straight into the vein (if the user so wishes)

flatpak = easy upgrades. simple as that.

we push as soon as we want

Only systemd enabled distrib. We also need appimages for people who want to just download and run without having to install crust on there crust-free OS.

we dont have real app images

we have binaries

not against flatpak, just find it irrelevant, I heard monero is on flatpak because of the CCS, thats much how it is relevant

its a means of distributing things to noobs , and it does it quite well

its already on flathub*

It's been on Flatpak via Flathub for like 2 years, before the CCS.

just not officially in any form

The wins are it makes updates super easy because it updates Monero alongside your other packages and it opens up Monero to being installed on a lot more distros very easily

and again, flathub =/= flatpak

its just the biggest centralized app store for flatpaks

flathub = github flatpak=git

flathub = whatever they point the server to

For example, Fedora Silverblue and Fedora Kinoite both expect apps to be installed via Flatpak format, so this is the only sensible way to install on those Fedora systems. Pop OS another arguably major OS has Flathub enabled by default, etc

similar comparison, but yeah, its the main flatpak repo

flatpak =/= flathub

flatpak is a format. flahub is one (the biggest) of many repos

id argue flathub is sus af

lets anybody submit anything (?)

oh look, its gnome screenshot utility

by gn0me

It doesn't approve any and all though, there's an approval process ran by humans

how did gui get in

There's also a flag for officially supported / maintained packages

I literally asked moo and others for permission to add on Flathub for Big

OBS at least shows some of the 'market pull/share' (hundreats of thousands of installs. Its possible a "MonterinoWallet" can appear on flathub. in this case , having our Monero app "verified" is good

but flatpaks are again all built from source n shiz so its not the wild west

i dont remember what, but i recently had to figure out which flatpak was the real one for some app

all im saying is being on flathub =/= a requirement

if one day flathub got hacked and died, its no different than any other flatpak repo getting hacked

its also weirdly centralized

im sure they use load balancing geo servers, but with debian etc other entities host mirrors

No more centralized than Arch's AUR, etc

im just googling here

so yes, more centralized

1 is less than multiple

official mirrors arent run by "arch" but by others

Sure, but because Flathub is basically just a collection of yaml and json manifests on git, anyone can mirror too

Thanks dEBRUYNE ! reddit release thread selsta reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/12js9u…o_gui_01822_fluorine_fermi_released

How can i see the list of ips that dns-blacklist uses in monerod?

I wrote something like an ELI5 explanation of the size limit, but of course it was shot down by some filter and is currently invisible

Can some Reddit moderator please release it: old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/12…822_fluorine_fermi_released/jg046w4

Thanks!

monerobullplease sir?

I know that these filters are absolutely essential nowadays, but man, it feels like every damn post longer than 10 lines or so has at least 1 "forbidden" word in it :(

Must of used s***

rbrunner: I've approved it

double thanks!

a 21 xmr donation to the general fund today nitter.it/WatchFund/status/1646130439306854400

nice