selsta: I have an example relay/bridge currently running for p2pool stuff, I could extend it to relay other rooms. Config is mainly here git.gammaspectra.live/P2Pool/p2pool-observer-bridge using matterbridge

DataHoarder: can you link a channel? I know about #monero-pow and #p2pool-mini or so?

#p2pool-observer if you want to do testing

internal channel for observer

otherwise #p2pool-mini / #p2pool-log

matrix.to/#/#p2pool-observer:monero.social / matrix.to/#/#p2pool-log:monero.social / matrix.to/#/#p2pool-mini:monero.social

I have it currently setup to relay join/parts from IRC side, but that might be too spammy for some

ys join / part would need to be off for the larger channels

I'll probably turn it off regardless, quite spammy at times even in small channels

adding new channels is easy for you?

yep

ok nice i'll ask others and then message you about it

I could make a new user for the monero channels so it doesn't show p2pool-relay as well

sure, poke, might be around for a while otherwise later

will be tomorrow for me

i have sent a message to the matrix moderators reg. the temp bridge DataHoarder wants to set up, i would very much like that to 'happen', does it need any special permissions from an OP?

No permissions needed, but voice on the bot would be good status wise

Otherwise it is a normal user

when its set up im sure luigi1111 or binaryFate can handle that

it needs access to the room on both sides, but they are all public

I can setup a different user than p2pool-relay, too

Which channels should be relayed?

that sounds great when you have the time to do so 🙏 👍 (matrix side perms would also be set np)

good question , "everything" right, but as its temporary, the main ones right now would be #monero-dev #monero-research-lab #monero #monero-community #no-wallet-left-behind

maybe #monero :)

Lounges as well?

yes lounge too

the "full list" of Monero rooms on matrix is available in uhm

also - it is setup so if somehow the EMS bridge comes back, it will not re-bridge relayed messages - either on matrix by looking at :libera.chat ending or looking at [m] ending. Just to limit spam if it comes back

wow

(once it comes back it can just be removed)

unrelated but the topic in monero-community had the link for the monero spaces channel and its now gone (i may have unknowingly asked for this to happen)

matrix side^

ignore^ on matrix side , it seems to have reverted to 2021 days lol

#monerospace:monero.social is the matrix space of all Monero.social channels

is it possible to create a monero.social account without passing a mail? getting tedious to setup another protonmail :D

hello from IRC

XD

inb4 I need to clean the history of the bot manually

<h​ator:matrix.org> So spirobel: decides for all of us, let's go MIT. It's decided after all. (?). Yeah man, let's all trust him. He is the expert in this area and, as a good expert, he is open to explore even bettter solutions. It's only about licenses, no biggy.

<h​ator:matrix.org> I have tried to get this discussion going based on knowledge, whatever the choiche would be.

<h​ator:matrix.org> It's all about pushing and aggressive language. If that is the way important decisions are made here, so be it. I'm done and hope spirobel: is proud on this one man decision for the whole project.

seems to work!

the bot user is registered under my user (well, tied to my user as a bot, but it's a different account)

welcome to those that are stuck in the matrix

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> not only has DataHoarder contributed to Ruckniums efforts in getting a Monero tx's first confirmation 60 seconds quicker monero.observer/rucknium-monero-tra…confirmations-now-60-seconds-faster , create / maintain p2pool.observer , they have also set up a temporary bridge for Matrix<->IRC

:D

the list of what is bridged at this moment is here git.gammaspectra.live/P2Pool/p2pool…matterbridge.toml.example#L488-L550

<k​owalabearhugs-:matrix.org> Thank you, DataHoarder

I can grow the list no problem, I'll go through the whole list later if needed

running config is the same as in repository, with proper passwords ofc

<d​atahoarder:monero.social> if there are any issues with the bridge poke on IRC if able, that has proper push notifications going through, sleep time

goodnight, and thank you

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thank you

ah, forgot to bridge #monero-support, added that

DataHoarder: oh no, relay quit evrywhere

to add new channels afaik I need a restart, it was for #monero-support

I think it joined again everywhere else

no touching now :)

<n​aphtha:kyun.host> fr

CCS merges can/will happen on the 14th , sharpen your pitchforks

<r​ucknium:monero.social> I agree with hator that declaring consensus usually means that there isn't consensus. 4 for, 3 against, maybe?

<r​ucknium:monero.social> What's the saying, a king doesn't need to declare himself king?

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Licensing on an alternative Monero node implementation seems pretty important.

<n​aphtha:kyun.host> wait... siren is le female?????

<n​aphtha:kyun.host> *tips fedora*

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> selsta recanman boog900 kayabanerve 14th is next CCS merging opportunity

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> naphtha: could you not? Even if it's done ironically, it's still extremely cringy and pointless, and adds nothing to the conversation

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> careful naphtha, we do not want an emojigate 2.0!

<n​aphtha:kyun.host> niggas been circlejerking about A FUCKING LICENSE FOR TWO DAYS and when i make a joke IM the bad guy

<n​aphtha:kyun.host> now yuo see...

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i am for MIT "cuck" license, admittedly, i do not know much about it - i just see it in terms of worrying about what people use Monero for. i totally get where the "its foss but if you want to use it in your app, open source everything or pay us a fee" is needed if you need to put food on the table from work you alone have produced

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Pay us a fee part does not come with the license, FYI

<n​aphtha:kyun.host> it doesnt but companies usually pay for a special license when the project is *gpl*

<n​aphtha:kyun.host> it doesnt but companies usually pay for a special license when the project is \*gpl\*

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Only if that is offered

<s​iren:kernal.eu> You can't buy proprietary MoneroPay (GPLv3) >:(

<s​ilverpill:poa.st> Could you provide an example? I guess it's possible but it's definitely not a common practice.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Unless luigi yolo merges on tuesday, right?

<n​aphtha:kyun.host> ive heard of plenty devs receiving private requests for alternative licenses, nothing public i can find THOUGH

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> do irc pings work? Or just 2way comms

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> pings should work (at least in my irc client) - just not DM's ofcourse

try pinging me

<x​mrscott:monero.social> I have been pung

<s​iren:kernal.eu> wolfssl.com/license

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Still, companies don't need to buy licenses if they produce FOSS software.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> github.com/vtnerd/monero-lws/blob/master/LICENSE monero-lws is BSD-3 . im not sure about RINO/MyMonero/Monero-js yes - or how they all play together

<r​ucknium:monero.social> can you hear me nioc from across the void

<n​aphtha:kyun.host> isnt bsd even more cucked? like that one meme of apple inc donating 5$ a month to the freebsd foundation?

rucknium, I can hear you but I don't get pinged

m-relay has +B set

just highlighted here

aka, bot mode

pings work here - note that on the IRC side the <nick> part (or on Matrix) is made to not ping, the rest of the message is fair game

I can make it not set +B mode if wanted?

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Matrix users get pinged from the IRC bridge, FWIW

yep - if I do DataHoarder it pings me on elements at least

<r​ucknium:monero.social> DataHoarder, could you set up a bridge for #monero-research-lab:monero.social ? Or already set up?

or Rucknium for example

afaik it's already online

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Thank you!

<r​ucknium:monero.social> nioc: Does this do the ping? Maybe I have to @ you

yes pinged now

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Back in business ?

<d​atahoarder:monero.social> list of currently birdged channels is here ^ on the previous git link, or in channels where you see m-relay online

<s​ilverpill:poa.st> Interesting. I guess this is where CLA nonsense comes from: they need contributors' approval

<s​ilverpill:poa.st> wolfSSL/wolfssl #6256#issuecomment-1494364280

<s​ilverpill:poa.st> >I don't recognize your GitHub name. Have you contributed to wolfSSL before? If not, we'll need to have a contributor agreement on file for you in order to merge this PR

<s​ilverpill:poa.st> Interesting. I guess this is where CLA nonsense comes from: they need contributors' approval for dual-licensing

<s​ilverpill:poa.st> wolfSSL/wolfssl #6256#issuecomment-1494364280

<s​ilverpill:poa.st> > I don't recognize your GitHub name. Have you contributed to wolfSSL before? If not, we'll need to have a contributor agreement on file for you in order to merge this PR

if spammy bridging of edits can be altered - or at leats add an (edited) tag

*least*

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Recently the spammy edit messages were made better. They just sent from Matrix the passage that was edited, plus the adjacent words. With this new bridge, I don't know

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Recently the spammy edit messages were made better. They just sent from Matrix the passage that was edited, plus the adjacent words. With this new bridge, I don't know. Let's try.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Looks like it's spammy again

that was a different bridge run by EMS with all the message loss% issues

different software

will leave for now, poke in an idle time across rooms to make the change

plowsof: just to be clear, this was not Cat posting repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/404#note_22054

even though she would agree

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> God i hate when the bridge looks like <>

at least it's a bridge that works \o/

<s​iren:kernal.eu> There's also:

<s​iren:kernal.eu> * Anaconda/Conda anaconda.org

<s​iren:kernal.eu> * Ansible docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/com…/contributor_license_agreement.html

<s​iren:kernal.eu> WolfSSL is by the cURL main developer. All three of these companies and projects are very successful. Despite what was told here before.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> > <@silverpill:poa.st> Interesting. I guess this is where CLA nonsense comes from: they need contributors' approval

<s​iren:kernal.eu> > wolfSSL/wolfssl #6256#issuecomment-1494364280

<s​iren:kernal.eu> > >I don't recognize your GitHub name. Have you contributed to wolfSSL before? If not, we'll need to have a contributor agreement on file for you in order to merge this PR

<s​iren:kernal.eu> There's also:

<s​iren:kernal.eu> * Anaconda/Conda anaconda.org

<s​iren:kernal.eu> * Ansible docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/com…/contributor_license_agreement.html

<s​iren:kernal.eu> WolfSSL is by the cURL main developer. All three of these companies and projects are very successful. Despite what was told here before.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> > <@silverpill:poa.st> Interesting. I guess this is where CLA nonsense comes from: they need contributors' approval

<s​iren:kernal.eu> > wolfSSL/wolfssl #6256#issuecomment-1494364280

<s​iren:kernal.eu> > >I don't recognize your GitHub name. Have you contributed to wolfSSL before? If not, we'll need to have a contributor agreement on file for you in order to merge this PR

<s​iren:kernal.eu> There's also:

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Anaconda/Conda anaconda.org

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Ansible docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/com…/contributor_license_agreement.html

<s​iren:kernal.eu> WolfSSL is by the cURL main developer. All three of these companies and projects are very successful. Despite what was told here before.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Nioc is alive

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> !

hi bob, have you seen Dan?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Neg

that is spammy for big messages, wow

<s​ilverpill:poa.st> These products are developed by companies, and they have an incentive to do the dual-licensing trick. Free labour etc etc

<s​ilverpill:poa.st> But Cuprate is not a company, as far as I know. So I think the concerns about CLAs are not really relevant.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> You're absolutely right. A CLA isn't required or related to any copyleft license, including strictly copyleft licenses like those from GNU.

<s​ilverpill:poa.st> Yeah I know, I'm just trying to imagine how GPL could create to atmosphere of fear and legal uncertainty, as spirobel suggested.

<s​ilverpill:poa.st> Yeah I know, I'm just trying to imagine how GPL could create an atmosphere of fear and legal uncertainty, as spirobel suggested.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> It can't. It's yet another copyleft license. You'd only get involved in court if you find a party that violates the licensing terms and you really care about suing them. MIT/Apache/BSD is more likely to cause uncertainty or fear because they aren't battle-tested in court like AGPL/GPL: gpl-violations.org/news

<a​js_:matrix.org> maybe they are not "battle-tested in court" because there is nothing really litigious about using a permissive license

<a​js_:matrix.org> AGPL/GPL gives rise to a degree of centralization over the code

<a​js_:matrix.org> for pet projects, it might be okay

<s​iren:kernal.eu> There have been many violations of such licenses still

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Where's the centralization?

<a​js_:matrix.org> the authors of PR

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Can be hundreds or thousands

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Or it can even be FSF, FSFE or another organization

<a​js_:matrix.org> that is the problem

<s​iren:kernal.eu> That isn't called centralization

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Nor it is a problem

<a​js_:matrix.org> for Cuprate, there is one developer that can't be contacted

<s​iren:kernal.eu> You aren't allowed to change that part's license even if it were MIT

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I don't see your point

<a​js_:matrix.org> MIT is not as burdensome as AGPL/GPL, which wouldn't necessitate a change in the license

<a​js_:matrix.org> developers can build on top of MIT and do whatever they want with the code as long as the very minimal license are followed

<a​js_:matrix.org> requirements

<a​js_:matrix.org> i have no problem with AGPL/GPL for small projects

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I don't see the burden in using GPL/AGPL because the project was already licensed that way.

<a​js_:matrix.org> but for core code that is can be part of the plumping of a larger project, having a hard copyleft complicates things and could hamper growth in the ecosystem for projects and services

<s​iren:kernal.eu> This goes true for AGPL/GPL too. Free software devs don't need to do anything additionally. This only affects proprietary projects.

<a​js_:matrix.org> but for core code that is can be part of the plumbing of a larger project, having a hard copyleft complicates things and could hamper growth in the ecosystem for projects and services

<a​js_:matrix.org> proprietary projects should be free to do what they wish with the code

<s​iren:kernal.eu> And about AGPL, they're free to use it over the network without disclosing any of the proprietary code of the higher level application.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> The only disclosure needed are their changes to Curpate when they modify Cuprate itself.

<a​js_:matrix.org> freedom to do.... and freedom from interference

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I would not like this as a maintainer and I don't use proprietary software myself personally. But at the end of the day the maintainers have to decide.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Free beer

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I also refuse to believe proprietary services are good for our ecosystem. They can be used to violate our privacy.

<a​js_:matrix.org> it is your right to refuse to use the service or contribute to the code.

<b​ridgerton:matrix.org> <Abo Gemaal el-Folani 👑> You know what's worse then proprietary software?

<b​ridgerton:matrix.org> <Abo Gemaal el-Folani 👑> Kemalism