no idea what monero discords rules are

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Why go to discord when your here in the matrix

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> "B-b-but MUH FRIENDS USE IT!!!!"

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> "B-b-but MUH FRIENDS USE DISCORD!!!!"

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/vqsbwmDtDcSmjfOrnTcoIyJV

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> There is a good discord client

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> It's named "ripcord".

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> made in c++, compact and very fast

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Also very easy to get ban from discord if you are too fast for there web technology (they can flag you as a bot very easily)

peeling back the onion of degeneracy: irc<matrix<discord<telegram

<s​adlittlewannabesamurai> i only use teegram to keep up to date with jersh

also every layer above irc includes more entities who can ban you (including the bridge operator)

some people like being policed though so I get it :p

<s​adlittlewannabesamurai> :ZFS:

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/lcrluoCXwkqUpadaDrzidyDW

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> Oh no, VPNbros....

<s​adlittlewannabesamurai> oof

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> matrix mods are more chill tho

I have a conflict and will not be able to attend today's meeting

please give me full chain membership proofs

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> noted

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> wen meeting

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> in 2 mins, monerobull asked for a ping

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Hello thanks plow

<c​trej:matrix.org> hello

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Meeting time monero-project/meta #886

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Greetings!

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> yo

<r​ucknium:monero.social> hi

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ofrnxmr and geonic have jumped over the imaginary broomstick today and are not banned in events anymore for those wondering (events meeting in 2 hours)

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> Hi

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> lets discuss some 3. Community highlights

<s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> hello everyone

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> [Revuo Monero](revuo-xmr.com) has covered a fair chunk of highlights this week i noticed

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> causing the most noise: Bitmain releases [2 year old](libera.monerologs.net/monero-pow/20230827#c275018) hardware that could be [bricked](libera.monerologs.net/monero-pow/20230827#c275167). currently [~17% of network hash](libera.monerologs.net/monero-pow/20230827#c275098) - sech1 the ASIC bricker

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> I don't see the point in bricking them

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> It's just some above average efficiency cpus

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Getting them distributed to real people is way better than leaving them with Bitmain

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i learned that risc-v is pronounced risc-five , and that is open source / royalty free cpu

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Crippling all of riscv for this doesn't make sense imo

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> its not an asic

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> its a nonissue

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> true not an asic

<c​trej:matrix.org> that was the sentiment in the pow room as well

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> next

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thanks for crunching the numbers ct (comparing hardware prices for $/H/s)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> I wonder if Bitmain even made money

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> We need to see how much will be the price…

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> #monero-pow:monero.social is where this was discussed in detail for those not in the know, they where in profit 2 years ago ~

<c​trej:matrix.org> after the first teardown we can estimate their profit

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> Well, they has mining 2 years + now they will sell Used hardware so I thing yes

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> still "guess the price mode" aka let bitmain see how much profit they can squeese out of them / tell them what you are willing to pay

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> If they didn't get special electricity prices or extra money for providing binance with xmr, I don't think they would have made money all bear market

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> not an asic as r4v3r said earlier AND Monero appearing all over the youtuber mining scene / news sites is a win

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Yeah, only downside is the confused people who think "haha we just fork the Algo"

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> bitmain should publish the schematics on [HushPics](hushpics.xyz) for some more profit - image hosting service that obscures uploads - users send XMR to see the original - lza_menace

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> any other highlights? (other than the retroactive funding request that is up for discussion later)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> monerosupplies has been migrated to a new provider, if there are any issues, please report

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> also, SerHack all throughout last week the plugin hasnt been recognizing incoming payments, any idea what might be up with that?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ah yeah, "not recognising incoming payments" kinda of a big deal ... thankfully we have someone to hopefuly work on that 👀

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> its not a big deal actually, i just have to manually check that an order was paid

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Boogs proposal is almost funded btw 128/130 👍️

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> lets jump into the merge requests if no more highlights

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> a. [recanman to take over Monero integrations pt. 3](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/402)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> this proposal was discussed last meeting with a positive merge sentiment however not much activity on gitlab (thank you ceetee for leaving some feedback) - would anyone like to voice their opinion on merging/closing this after reading the merge request description? (no extra funds have to be raised, simply transferred to recanmann who has already made that serhack has approved). w<clipped message>

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> e can get a 'dormant since 2020' ccs proposal completed then.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> perhaps monerobull has an opinion (being a merchant that uses the monero-php / wordpress plugin)

<r​ucknium:monero.social> It's probably not getting much activity on gitlab since it doesn't appear on the Idea page of the CCS website

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i didnt notice this before at all

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> so what has happened: recanman has closed the bitejo proposal temporarily in favour of a hidden merge request

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> seems like a decent proposal with no downsides

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> anyone here who didnt vote to merge/close on this last meeting please voice your opinion and we never have to discuss it again !

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i like the optimism

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i will vote my own merge request up if need be. desperate times, desperate measures

<r​ucknium:monero.social> I think TrasherDK was concerned about security review of the PHP. Unfortunately none of these non-core software proposals have received security reviews AFAIK, so the precedent is caveat emptor for users. SerHack is a security researcher and could informally review the result, I guess.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> indeed, at least, with this proposal, it is only completed after serhack reviews and merges each pull request

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we can move on with an extra +merge from monerobull to add to the previous meetings votes?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> b. [Add retroactive funding proposal for FCMPs](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/403)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> now, at 10 thumbs up and 0 thumbs down - a simple decision no? :)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> indeed.

<c​trej:matrix.org> Going by the votes its clear, but I wished that the people who were not happy with this proposal either vote or show up today

<c​trej:matrix.org> not happy according to the gitlab comments I mean

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> there are compelling arguments in the comments. one small thing i noticed was jtgrassie linking a rejected "RandomX Thanks" -> there are 2 'gifts' in this proposal -- one for jberman which is not a gift - it was contracted work @ 36 hours. but the other for Liam Eagen seems to be a definite 'Thanks' gift .. hbs requested a breakdown of hours worked that would take 3-6 hours to pro<clipped message>

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> duce but kayaba deemed it to be not required. Koes comment too.. how do you respond to that repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/403#note_22226

<s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> imo "retroactive funding" shouldn't be prohibeted in general and I agree with kayaba on this quote "I personally believe the CCS should allow retroactive funding, with discussion on if the work produced offers benefit appropriate to the requested amount."

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> id say the stuff hes been working on was undeniably important for the project and people have been wanting to get rid of rings for a long time

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> mj-xmr can kick start his ccs career again via retroative funding proposals

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> its not like he worked on some crap nobody asked for and then demands a lof ot money for it

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> its not like he worked on some crap nobody asked for and then demands a lot of money for it

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> monerobull how can ya say 100% of people want this tho

<c​trej:matrix.org> Breakdown of any engineering work is hard, even more so for code - I don't think it can be retroactively summarized, and definitely not with the accuracy we want.

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> This is true

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you dont have to donate if you dont want it

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> 100% of the community

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> arguable the sentiment for movie ccs was abysmal compared to this proposal

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and it got moved to funding on the grounds that "you dont have to donate if you dont support it"

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> when the comments show otherwise, but sitll, overwhelmingly positive sentiments in the comment section

<c​trej:matrix.org> Moving to funding has literally no downsides, let donors decide if they want to give retroactive support

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i would like to hear why movie ccs deserved to go to funding and why this proposal shouldnt

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> I don’t like “retroactive founding” but in the CCS there have been “exceptions” and I think maybe this should be one. As Monerobull says, it’s something important for the project and not a just expensive crap

<c​trej:matrix.org> And I think its an important to set a president that extraordinary dev work can get paid, even if it doesn't 100% align with all detailed rules ("no retroactive funding" is not eveb a rule btw)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> if we approached cypherstack and said "can you beat the price of 41k to do this research" ahead of time, perhaps they could have given a better deal? we dont know

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we never had the opportunity

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> had we approached some indie movie studio they might have made a whole movie about xmr for less than 25k...

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> we never had the opportunity

<c​trej:matrix.org> This kind of research/dev work can not be planned out like this plowsof

<c​trej:matrix.org> Sometimes you have to build on the spark of an idea first, before you can even explain it well to others

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> actually we do have the opportunity " If someone wishes to point out the work delivered could've been cheaper delivered by Cypher Stack or similar, I'd be open to reducing the request."

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> any other talking points? the anti retros are not in attendance hm

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> merge 👍

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> +1

<c​trej:matrix.org> yes merge, let donors decide

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> is serai-dex still going to use some mordinal type stuff if we dont get FCMP's kayabanerve (is this why your undertook the research?)

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> Where is our friend ofrnxmr ?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ofrnxmr is +merge for this, yesterday

<s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> merge

<c​trej:matrix.org> ofrn took some time of after a fight in the events room

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> with 10 mins left lets jump to the next idea

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> c. [Create Educational Content in Spanish](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/406)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> by Lovera who has proposed a rate of 3.25$/hour

<c​trej:matrix.org> subsidized voluntary work

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> are we breaking any laws here?

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Hello

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> This is my proposal, any questions I will be happy to answer

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thank you to geonic for pointing this out

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> how did the last ccs go Lovera ?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> just out of curiosity

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> subscriber count has increased at first glance, would be nice to have stats on the previous ccs sponsored videos

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i remember there was also some drama with videos sponsored by cake or something like that

<c​trej:matrix.org> I would very much like a brief review of the content by someone who speaks/understands spanish

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> All good 😅 I think 🧐

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> 10xmr for that work is unreasonable, it should be a little more

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> Yep, I made a clarification that the sponsored cake videos had nothing to do with the work proposed in the CCS

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> alright, id say merge

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> +1

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Maybe payment should be increased a little

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the ccs videos are without sponsored ads (however youtube may ad some cus reasons - but lovera disables them on his end)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> what if the previous ccs had 0 views on all the videos?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i checked and this was not the case of course

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> The videos get pretty good traction from what I've seen

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> Well, as I told Geonic, I promised in my first CCS that I would not raise the price in XMR. So I won’t do it.

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> Also, in Venezuela the salary is $20 a week so lol, I’m fine.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i will need to talk to chatgpt as to why such low wages are bad

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> e.g. i am a spanish person who wishes to do the same but i can't undercut you

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thus no ccs for me

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> hinto made a proposal of low wages and was told to higher it to something reasonable

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> In my opinion, I don't feel right with merging it, but it seems that you are insisting

<c​trej:matrix.org> plowsof you are notorious for doing community work off-hours, I can't undercut that price either

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> job security ++ / not eating for a month if i make a bad move to compensate

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> I’m fine, guys! Seriously!’s I think 3.5 XMR is a fair sum for the work to be done.

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> I work ~8 hours but I like what I do.

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> If I really need it, I will increase the fee. Nex CCS? 🤣

<s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> it's hard to judge the impact, but just looking at the amount of work, this seems more than fair

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> Yes! This

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thank you for the proposal Lovera, a comment from a native spanish again e.g. anhdres is always good to have, early days yet, and geonics comment about perhaps teaming up with the RU (i know you also speak Russian) is food for thought also

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> 1 xmr = 1xmr but slave labour sponsored by the CCS 💀

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we have reached the hour, any further comments on Loveras proposal? or AOB?

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> To be honest, a while ago I asked them for help with “Hugo” to create a kind of Wiki Monero in Spanish but I think they passed me 😅 I will insist again.

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> The community in Russian has an very good Wiki about Monero

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Lovera also went above and beyond with his previous proposal and incorporated some Monerokon stuff 👍️ (saved the community some funds instead of paying someone else to do the same work)

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Hugo isn't too hard to get started with, message me and I can help you with it

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> events meeting in a little under 1 hours #monero-events:monero.social

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> what

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i thought we had one last week

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> wait

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> We did? I don't recall so

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> Thank you recanman! I’ll take a look at it again and if I have doubts I’ll send you a DM 👍🏼

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> monero-project/meta #882

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it appears we might not have?

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I didn't see any meeting start/end last week

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thank you for all attending , until next time 🙏 a pleasant rest of your weekend

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> events issue says 2nd september

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> bye

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Thank you plowsof

<b​tclovera:matrix.org> Thanks for the moderation plowsof

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Thank you plowsof, goodbye

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> msvb-lab has responded to the deprecation of hardware@ getmonero email also monero-project/meta #879#issuecomment-1701840259 Dankon!

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Wow is that an amalgamation of many different discussions 😅 None relevant to FCMPs though.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> FCMPs resolve privacy issues and accordingly impact TX extra discussions. That's the closest it gets

<4​rkal:matrix.org> Was just searching moneroOS on google to see if it had been picked up yet and found this reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/9ck3l8/want_a_moneroonly_mining_os 👀. It uses archlinux as its base and is pretty similar to moneroOS (except for the persistency part) and the fact that it was abandoned in 2018.

<4​rkal:matrix.org> Anyone have any more info on this project? Maybe know if the dev is still arround?

<4​rkal:matrix.org> Anyone have any more info on this project? Maybe know if the dev is still around?

monerobull: you want to talk about the movie ccs?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Not really

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Lmao

then why keep bringing it up?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Because it's a great comparison to argue kayabas proposal should be moved to funding?

in what way?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> In that the arguments made to move it to funding were similar

the milestone in my ccs still isn’t completed and you might notice that I’ve decided not to collect any of the raised funds until it is

there are literally no milestones in kayaba’s prolosal

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> I don't really care about anything other than the "moving to funding" part of the process

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Since the work is already done?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Can you tell me why the movie proposal should have gone to funding and kayabas proposal shouldn't?

do you mean that the “movie ccs” work is already done?

if that’s your impression I’d re-read the proposal

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Idk, the movie was done before the proposal was made

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> But I've meant that Kayaba has already spent 1.5 months working on this

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Look, I really don't care to argue about ccs stuff. I'm just of the opinion that since your proposal passed, this proposal which has way more impact on the core of monero itself should pass as well

The proposal was for an awards campaign that is about to begin. Literally none of that work has been done.

Kayaba could’ve spent 2 years working on it. What’s the difference? How many people worked on Monero code (and contributed much more than he has) without requesting to be paid after the fact?

and how does his request make them feel?

what example does it set and how does it alter the tone of open-source contributions?

Kayaba can redact his proposal to include some type of milestone (literally anything that is observable and not just “I think I’m on the right track guys”), charge for the remainder of the work, whether it’s a month or a year, and it will get funded

no one’s saying he can’t get paid. he knows how the ccs works.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> geonic: Retroactive funding is a thing in the wider crypto community, and if you believe other people are also worthy of financial support for completed work, you should celebrate

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> 1) Precedent

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> 2) Each instance of successful retroactive funding, as it means someone worthy of payment received payment

that’s too much roundabout logic for me to parse

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Whether or not this proposal is worthy is why it's been unmerged for as long as it has

<m​ichael:monero.social> Ne dankinde.

<c​hesterfield:faelix.im> I stand with kayaba

your proposal doesn’t live in a vacuum. it exists in a certain context and it serves to inform other participants

<c​trej:matrix.org> geonic please downvote the proposal if you disagree with it

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> If it informs other people, it's of the ability to request funds for their work, even if retroactive, and while there's an asymmetric risk if retroactive, I'll never stand against people knowing they can be paid for well done, meaningful work.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Did this send twice

I would like to see this work done so I won’t downvote it. I’m against the way the proposal has been made and the example it sets. it lowers the bar significantly for future proposals and is off-putting for existing contributors

or “some” existing contributors

<c​trej:matrix.org> but... The work is already done

it’s not

<c​trej:matrix.org> New work will have a separate proposal and kayaba said he will do so regardless of the outcome of this retroactive proposal

<c​trej:matrix.org> Its not a quantum superposition that the proposal is either done or not depending on how geonic looms at it

<c​trej:matrix.org> Its not a quantum superposition that the proposal is either done or not depending on how geonic looks at it

yes, it’s a retroactive request for funding for work that hasn’t been completed

don’t blame me for the conundrum

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Kayaba should work until the sum of the retroactive proposal is equal to the entire general fund wallet

or the market cap of monero

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Haveno front end deve^

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> s/deve/devs

at least they have milestones and have collected nothing as a result (from what I can see)

hey grandpa, can you tell me about the good old days when CCS proposals had deliverables

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> The proposer of this completed work is not welcome on the ccs anymore but was seeking retroactive payment MAGICGrants/Monero-Fund #21

“that was before my time sonny. now we just fund ongoing work that we didn’t ask for and that has no end. but it’s good for monero, at least that’s how your great-grandpa explained it to me.”

sorry got distracted. mj should go into the grant-writing business. that’s an impressive proposal

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> lolol

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Banned from ccs?

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> Here I am. Sorry that I miss so many things, I already commented on the CCS issue. I'm in favor of Lovera 's request.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Scammer i think

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> 🤔

a​nhdres: where is my uniform?

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> oh it's supposed to be "in the making". The coach finally gave me the contact of the little shop making the jerseys.

thx

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> design1.jpg

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/ptEIZJzjmDANQAWIcfdcfPtl

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Pretty cool

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> they sent me this, I requested another version with the monero logo completely in black, to see if it looked better with the current design and not so much "pasted in"

w0w, a real screen shot :D

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> yep. they don't seem super tech savvy to be honest

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> but we work with what we have

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> lol

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> GOALLLLLLLLLLL

Boog900 full time work on Cuprate, the Rust Monero node (2 months) is now fully funded! ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/boog_2_months_cuprate.html @luigi1111

thanks n1oc

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Cat as team mascot?

it was cool here last night

she actually turned on one of the mining rigs lol

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Mine with all threads

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> no mascot yet as far as I'm aware

although she couldn't start the miner

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Who is 'she'? Your wife?

Cat

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Oh

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> How does a cat turn on a mining rig?

The power button

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Jumps on the power button maybe, lol

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/gXmBJJQuKnbuwJwwxWjQyoAv

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> That's really funny, lol

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> And can press “any key”

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> NEVER underestimate the skills of cats to do things out of their core set of tasks

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> tricky bastards

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Sleeping?

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I don't like cats too much, but this pleases me

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Maybe I might change my opinion

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Ban

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> you should

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> a cat is like a good old friend

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Really?

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> a dog is like a kid

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Eat sleeps and shits

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I thought that dogs were perceived by society as good friends

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Oh, ok

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> a dog makes you feel loved and needed, a cat makes you company... if it pleases him/her

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> That's what I thought, the cat doesn't really like you too much

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> haha

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> as long as you feed the cat, and don't disturb the cat too much, it's all good

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Cats are self cleaning, usually.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> So better than dogs.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> And they sleep a lot so it's a plus

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Yes, I agree in that regard. Both cats and dogs are filthy animals, but dogs are much more filthier than cats

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> I'm a cat person

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> I have both a cat and a dog

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I have only 3 black cats

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I don't have a cat nor a dog

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> the cat is like "hey you forgot to put some more water. hey it's time for my meal. hey move, that's my spot on the couch. hey, if you don't mind I'm sleeping over you because you're the warmest object around. hey you can pet me if you want, for the next 2 mins or so, take it our leave it."

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Sounds arrogant

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> they are in charge and they know it

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> How is that preferable?

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> the dog is more like in the movie Up "hello human there you are! wanna play? are we going outside? are we playing? oh are you gonna sit there, so I can sit nearby? oh did you move, should I go with you? what was that? I'll bark just in case. I got you human, let me protect you from this other tiny dog. oh! food! I'm bored, are we playing now?"

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> how's gravity preferable? it just is.

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> just joking, but kinda accurate

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I guess you may be right

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I confirm the anhdres cat fact.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> and dogs fact

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Rav is a crazy cat person?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Na, I have only 3 of them, not 12

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Nioc level

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> :)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> please move this to #monero-offtopic:monero.social or twitter.com/ShouldHaveCat , thank you, meow

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Also, while I apologize for not being around during the meeting, I'm away today (I have no choice in the matter), I'd like it noted I did request a quote from sarang. While they didn't want to give one, and I didn't want to ask for them to spend the days evaluating it to give one given it wouldn't lead to an actual contract, it's my understanding CypherStack's hourly rate for rese<clipped message>

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> archers exceeds the hourly rate calculable from my proposal. I did consider the competitive market with my request.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Sorry if I'm solely rehashing a now dropped topic.

<s​hadow:simplifiedprivacy.is> How Monero Works (animated video):

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<r​4v3r23:monero.social> lmao retrofunding convo derailed by cats