<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> That sounds interesting. That would need adoption, as services like doordash have the customers and them employees.

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> In terms of conversion between cryptocurrency and fiat, it might be up to the employee to provide fiat when going into the restaurant. After they deliver, they are reimbursed with cryptocurrency.

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> This service is not worth 25k, at most 5k

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> The hard part wouldn't be the development, but rather adoption.

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I read your idea wrong, I was thinking of some kind of proxy. Your idea is also another valid idea.

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> The latter would be a little easier to implement.

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> I was speaking with an acquantiance and he was thinking that if we could have it decentralized and automated with drivers having to stake an amount of xmr and be verified to drive in order to work, to make sure there's no scamming

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Do you mean like a software that everyone runs on their devices that peers with others, like neroshop?

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> github.com/larteyoh/testshop

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> I would love to try and put an idea like this into work but the only wonders are who's gonna program it, who will adopt it, and most importantly who will fund it?

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> It would be nice, but I don't feel that it would succeed.

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> I think maybe a SMALL test run in a city like dc (since it's in my vicinity) should be ran to see if this idea coild even be applicable right?

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I can easily knock out the backend in a few months or so, multisig another month, but I don't feel it would be worth my time because I don't see it succeeding.

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> I mean if we could provide better rates then doordash then possibly

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> A PoC might be nice.

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> How would a normie acquire btc/xmr? Or would it have options for crypto->fiat and fiat->crypto.

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> I would like to say smth like moonpay or smth but idk

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> My acquantiance said it should be bitcoin oriented with xmr as a choice since everyone knows btc and xmr is basically the criminal crypto

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> There's probably a market there considering how many sweaty neckbeards here probably LIVE off of doordash

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I didn't know doordash and the such were popular

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I didn't know doordash and the such were popular at all

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> They're mad popular here

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Not only that but there's also btc atms in every gas station

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I've seen bitcoin (KYC) atms in grocery stores

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> They only kyc if you do a specific amount

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Like a couple hundred

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Do btc is easily accessible

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> So big market there

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> And btc is easily accessible in america

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> So the main challenge is adoption from the stores

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I would probably look at how doordash was adopted in stores

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> get.doordash.com/en-us/blog/adding-delivery-to-your-restaurant

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> get.doordash.com/en-us/integrations

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Seems they provide PoS integration

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> get.doordash.com/en-us/products/marketplace

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Almost EVERY store does doordash

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> What would be needed for integration would be a SaaS-esque service like this marketplace thing

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> But doordash probably offers bad rates

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> 1. Make an account for your business.

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> 2. Download the app or use PoS integration

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> 3. Accept and manage orders through that thing.

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Not sure if crypto would be self-custodial or not. That option can be given.

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> I mean we should hold the xmr for like a day before we send it to the seller right?

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> What if the customer wants a refund

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> From what I'm looking at online, there is a support system

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> LocalMonero has moderators that can step in anytime. The seller and buyer finalize the order

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Decentralization won't work without a given arbitration bond of some sorts, but that gives a price to start. You'd have to deposit xmr to begin with.

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Still unsure if you are looking for SaaS like LocalMonero or decentralized

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> I wanna think of a localmonero approach

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Where it's a degree of p2p but mods can step in

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> We have the option of doing it like doordash or doing it like localmonero

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> If you would like to execute this, gather some more community support. I'm neutral on this idea, but with a PoC, I'd probably give you a +1

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I will have a time slot opening in a couple of months. You'd need a CCS from the developers, 'project manager' CCS's don't work AFAIK

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> I mean a know a couple guys in the community so i'll see what they think and if they can get some people to help me write up a proof of concept

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> I mean i know a couple guys in the community so i'll see what they think and if they can get some people to help me write up a proof of concept

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> But i'd like to have you on board to help with the concept tho because you have a lot of good ideas for the project

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Now that I think about it, it would be easier to buy a doordash gift card and use that. With cryptocurrency, you're limiting your market. I'm not sure on how well it would do. Tax regulations and whatnot

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> We have to be the better option for businesses too

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> And workers

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Not sure. It is an interesting idea

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> You have a lot of good ideas so i want you on board

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> I'mma go n tell a couple friends i know in the community and see what they think abt it

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> It's a good thing you're ambitious. I like that you are. Throw any ideas you have at me

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> I'll need a partner for this anyways since i'm still in school

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> I'll still be 10 toes deep into the project don't worry about me flaking or anything

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> If we can outline a real concept for this project i'll be putting my blood sweat n tears into this

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> I don't want to mess up the channel so i'll contact you in dms

CCS update: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/371#note_22460

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ```

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I elected not to collect the first half upon funding and instead receive the full payout once the film is qualified for Oscar consideration, which will be done by next Friday, 28 September.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ```

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So, were paying him BACK retroactively?! Wasnt this pot harping on about kettle kayabanerve

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ```

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> please let me know. As noted in the proposal, I make no guarantees that we will win an Oscar or be nominated -- that's not what this is about. It's about getting behind a project as a community and seeing how far it can go. The Oscar is the moon.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ```

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> literall moonboy ccs

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> L m f a o

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ```

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> On a not so grateful note, I'd like to add that since opening this proposal, I've been on the receiving end of a campaign of harassment, abuse, libel and doxxing

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ```

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> George Nicholas. You opened your ccs under your government name. Doxxing ?! 🤣😭🤣💀🤣🤣😭🤣🤣😂😭😭😭

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ```

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> -- threatened and actual

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ```

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Threats towards you now?! Lmfao

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ```

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> -- by a group of vindictive downvoters, some of whom are in this thread. These purported "community members" are actively working against the wishes of the donors who supported the proposal. I view this behavior as a long-term threat to the CCS and hope some remedial action is taken.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ```

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> dick eater

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Figure of speech ^, dont cry now

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ```

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ive been on the receiving end

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ```

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Well, dont cook in the kitchen if you dont want your food criticized. (trash)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ^^ why are we paying him milestone 1?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ```

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The film must be publicly exhibited for paid admission in a movie theater in Los Angeles or New York City for one week: oscars.org/sites/oscars/files/93aa_short_films.pdf  This is the cheaper option at about $3K, but films that qualify with a festival win are preferred by Academy voters, so we'll try the festival route first.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ```

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Were payong 12k for 3k worth of fees, retrpactively?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> S C A M M E R

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> i need a better word for this slimy snakeoil salesmen

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> also can you please keep your proposal to one fictional storyline and not add another

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> luigi1111: why are we paying him 12k for a 3k milestone?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Or better said, are we paying him?? Or is this up for discussion

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Plowsof asked him to lower cost, and use the second option (3k).

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> he didnt.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> now he wants to use second option AND collect in full? Clownery

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> `doxxing` 🤣

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> he CHANGED his Gitlab name to "mark of distinction" from "George Nicholas"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Theres definitely a malicious group here, but its not the one geodude talks about

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its the group of ILLOGICAL, LYING, SCAMMING, CHEATING, pansies

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Bunch of circlejerkers with 0 care for monero. Lets just help out friends

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "featuring monero" > not even in script. Nothing about that "group" is even real

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "win an oscar" > lie

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> 🌶️

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> this ccs is almost as bad as ercicciones haveno frontend scam

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 0 intention to deliver anything

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Whole ccs written full of lies and misdirections

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And this guy says..x

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ```

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> On a not so grateful note, I'd like to add that since opening this proposal, I've been on the receiving end of a campaign of harassment, abuse, libel and doxxing -- threatened and actual -- by a group of vindictive downvoters, some of whom are in this thread. These purported "community members" are actively working against the wishes of the donors who supported the proposal. I vie<clipped message>

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> w this behavior as a long-term threat to the CCS and hope some remedial action is taken.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ```

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 0 downvoted on kaya ccs. This guy trying to block fungible monero

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I respect ruck and koe for their actual input. Geodude is just a hippo with an inferiority complex. Period

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> monero-project/meta #899

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> had enough

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> @plowsof can this discussed in next community meeting

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ```

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> jw

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> @jwinterm

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 7 months ago

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I have seen the film, and it is very well put together. I have met George irl,

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ```

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> doxxed by your supporter

I doxxed george :o

it is funny how everyone has their own "scam" line ofrnxmr

we have now determined that seeking to raise $25k for a gif from a movie you already made crosses ofrnxmr's scam threshold :D

is printing millions of ripple tokens from thin air and selling them for a decade a scam?

is having a presale for your radical eth killer a scam?

is buying monero.com and shilling your tangentially related software there a scam?

depends on your perspective I guess

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> What ?

I dunno, monday morning philosophical ramblings of a lunatic because ofrnxmr just tagged me with a link to hundreds of pages of screenshots of him calling geonic a scammer

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Okay

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> i must of been looking at something different

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> cause mostly it was being called an alt and mods disappeared

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He said he was doxxed, but he doxxed himself. Only point i was making

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> or one rule for the and not fo rme

oic

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And said he was doxxed by bad actors (anyone who didnt support the ccs)

:D

I am not a good thespian

maybe it's just...scams all the way down :o i.imgur.com/052coFb.png

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Well, theres a difference between selling unicorns and selling actual goods

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Some scams are more blatant and disrespectful than others

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Haveno front end, 6 months.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> disclaimer: no backend included

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> disclaimer 2: no front end either

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> so is cake funding the backend development?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Whole ccs convo spoke about backend and governance, but NONE of that has anything to do with the ccs. The ccs was for a frontend ONLY

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yea

lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And regarding this

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The ccs TITLE is a lie.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> it doesnt feature monero, and were not helping it _win_ an oscar

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero isnt even in the script. Bitcoin is.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The milestones were setup with 0 deliverables, first milestone is literally paying his submission fees and winning ay any if them (10k) OR paying 3k to have the movie played at a theater for a week.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> he close the lower cost option, but still wants the full payment

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The lower cost option allows him to collect the full amount without ever making a run at the oscars

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And an pocket the extra 10k

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So ye, "crosses my threshold"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I think core team spending 2500xmr on a domain is a terrible use of developer funds.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So i dont really care who owns monero.com. @ 400k, and with out broke asses, we dont need and cant afford it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero.org is more appropriate anyway. Lets empty the generalfund and buy both

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Seraphis can stay 6 years away. 🥳 cuz we have a domain

maybe the ultimate outcome is that geonic starts the downfall and dissolution of monero core team and that is actually something that has to happen for monero to grow beyond its current state of existing with a caretaker

and so by scamming geonic actually saves monero and ensures its future dominance in brypto universe

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Why do you speak as though core team controls the direction of monero? They havent stewarded the project in a long time

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero "governance" hasnt been followed in years

I called corporate today to say i'd need a day off (gum/tooth pain) no response yet so ill put the meeting issue up for this saturday. I also wanted to share a serious offer we've got from zksecurity to work on the seraphis papers and a price change to the bp++ review at the next MRL meeting. Perhaps raising/spending large amounts of money on core

things will cheer us up

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thanks plowsof. If you need, i can pull the tooth for you

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> i have a door and string if that helps

their continued existence as gatekeepers of fundraising and commits to github AFTER they have basically controlled the project for the first decade means that simply existing makes them appear as a controlling entity, whatever the reality of the situation may be

I think it was a great thing for bitcoin that the bitcoin foundation was composed of a few scammers and it fell apart quickly

the same is not true for monero, and so you have at least this appearance of control by a shadowy group of super coders

who make unilateral decisions regarding the CCS that piss you off to no end

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thats so weirdly off target im not sure what to say

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> is this not shifting the blame?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its not even true. At least, not anymore. Luigi merges what selsta sends him.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Luigi doesnt choose the commits.

he chooses who gets to ask for money, to your chagrin

and he merges commits

so you have one organization, one person really, controlling purse strings and github commits, or at least the appearance of such

it just doesn't seem ideal for a nominally decentralized cryptocurrency imo

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ccs he seems to make decisions on his own

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Github, he does not

but he is the ultimate button pusher, no?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Someone has to be

bien sûr

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And selsta is the filter before him, community devs before that

and on the ccs side you are the filter, and I am the filter

but he is still the button pusher

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Nah

and vik is the filter

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> On ccs, were ignored sometimes. Money talks

if myself and vik didn't support geonic, do you think luigi1111 would have merged?

I'm not sure, but I lean no

and maybe part of that was Vik promising to donate a bunch

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> which is why plowsof is comnunity funded to manage it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No

that is some kind of filtering

ok

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I also got banned for saying as much

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Chill on allat big bro das cocksucking

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Vik is aight

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Monero.com is a slightly useless version of cake wallet so i don't see the point of it

nioc: [meta] plowsof opened issue #900: Monero Community Workgroup Meeting: Saturday 30th September 2023 @ 15:00

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Ppl wanted monero only wallet, they delivered

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> There's already one that is definitively better so what's the point

<k​illercat103:matrix.org> Does anyone here use FlokiNET for domains? I noticed they accept XMR as payment. Perhaps any other registrars?

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> There was none on ios

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> pretty sure incogt.io does accept xmr for domain reg

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> pretty sure incognet.io does accept xmr for domain reg

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Good point, still no need for an xmr only version of cake wallet in the first place

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Ppl wanted it, after they had announced ztrash funding for ztrash integration in cake

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Ah, okay. You are babbling about cakepal.

and then zcash cancelled the contract to integrate it

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Yep after sometime

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Vik MAY be slightly retarded

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> But bread is bread

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> did they start moderating discord alpharabius? is that why you are back here?

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> I called sgp a bitch and he banned me

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Also i said geonic was a scammer

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> before or after sgp didnt read your PM about a business oportunity?

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> After

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Tbh banning someone for a word is so cringe

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> iirc it was the copy-pasta death threat

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> That was on offtopic

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> And it's not a death threat it's advicd

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> But i was in the wrong i admit

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Telling *suspected* scammers to end their life is wrong

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Rare occurence of me maturing

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> You guys should be worried, i might actually mature and become better 😱

i don't think anyone is worried

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> I am, this is a serious issue blood

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Anyways let's talk about something else

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Hey all,

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> We are finally ready to show our work on the animated explainer about "Tail emission" - Please see it here: drive.proton.me/urls/ZY708BTBJG#fOozV2mWx44M

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Looking forward to any comments and/or feedback.

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Thanks! // VOSTO

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> Hey, anyone who did/will donate to my fundraiser for the phone, please PM me your tx id and tx key. I'd like to pay you back once I have a job. Thanks everyone.

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> wow, integrity

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> good for you

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> I was raised right. I'd like to help people too. And will, once I get a job.

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> But I'm not the only one. People who are donating are raised right too. They deserve to get it back. *I am not saying that ppl who dont, are not.*

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> We should test it in turkey once we get to the testing stage

Since the matrix mods have been completely ineffective in addressing the defamation in this channel, the next step for me is to bring it to Libera admins, whose only option will be to ban the matrix bridge. Don’t blame me when that happens.

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Just out of nowhere

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Uncalled, no one was saying anything, just out of nowhere

There’s still time to stop. Just letting you know what’s going to happen next.

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Is that a threat?

Nope, I can’t do it. That would be up to them to decide. Just letting everyone know what’s at stake.

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> where did we do defamation man?

02:07 <jwinterm> I dunno, monday morning philosophical ramblings of a lunatic because ofrnxmr just tagged me with a link to hundreds of pages of screenshots of him calling geonic a scammer

Maybe speak to your comrade if that’s something you don’t want to see happen. Don’t cry later if you’re keeping quiet now

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero Offtopic

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> Bro, we did not do anything. Ban the person that did. and why you mention my name? "MAybe speak to your comrade". Did I do something wrong to ya man?

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> "maybe*

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Nobody knows who hes talking to

You’re asking a question, I’m answering.

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> yea, but the "maybe speak to your comrade", that was completely unneccesary.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> What question? and where is the answer?

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Sometimes you don't have to say anything AT ALL geo.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And who is the comrade? And who are you speaking to?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Alpha got banned 15 times for going off topic

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> I would be the "comradeblin" but I dont get how I get mentioned in a simple answer :D

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Im not sure ^

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He could just be drunk again

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> I think he's speaking to me and threatening to tattle on you to the mods like that one kid from recess

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Just because you called a spade a spade

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> All ibdid was respond to the lies in his katest ccs update

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And question the payment, conaidering he went the cheap route and didnt need the money

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> I'm proud of him now slightly because he's saying big words like defamation

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No idea what hes talking about rn

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But its not on topic

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> prolly in the middle of a "Suits" episode

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/IvhEJXFciNJOWrAgFMpCYwnX

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Him rn

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Keep this conversation out of this channel, please.

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Wish i could

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> But mods banned me from offtopic

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Go to #monero-beef:monero.social . I think it's Matrix-only

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Geo, get on your matrix

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> We're heading down to monero beef

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> if the next question is "what is matrix?" we know that hes drunk

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> can we get some new rules for that room?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> All users should read libera.chat/policies before participating in chat. Failure to follow Libera.chat's policy may result in temp or perma bans w/o warning.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Discussion can relate to the technology itself or economics.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Talk about community and price is not wanted, but some discussion about it maybe allowed if it relates well.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Be as respectful and nice as possible. This discussion has potential to be more emotionally charged as it may bring up issues that are extremely upsetting: many people are not only financially but emotionally invested in the ideas and tools around Monero.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> It's better to keep it calm then to stir the pot, so don't talk down to people, insult them for spelling/grammar, personal insults, etc. This **should only be calm rational discussion about the technical and economic aspects of Monero.**

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "permabans w/o warning" lmao

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Beef room.. more like.. vegan room

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Tldr: there is no safe place where sgp lives

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> be polite or rip

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (sorry for continuing Rucknium: but management of the social networks is in the shitter rn)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Irrational and illogical decisions made on a daily basis. Power gone to peoples heads to the point theyve been moderating like 6 year olds having temper tantrums

Ban without warning should be allowed but reserved to new spamming/scamming users only.

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> Hey @MajesticBank: your comments about a specific CCS proposal that you made a few weeks ago have come to our attention. The language you selected to use violates the code of conduct for this community. We politely ask that you refrain from using threatening language in the future. Should future violations occur, we will need to start issuing bans to enforce this code of conduct.<clipped message>

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> Thank you for your understanding.

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> This message was discussed with the other moderators as well. For questions and comments: Resolutions (Mod Support)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> banhammer is in that room

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Kick banhammer from that room pls.

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> MajesticBank @MajesticBank:libera.chat MajesticBank @majesticexchange:matrix.org MajesticBank @majesticbanknew:matrix.org MajesticExchange ^

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And sgp: charuto says yall will instakick m-relay

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So MajesticExchange: and MajesticBank @MajesticBank:libera.chat: arent invited

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Also, again. Banhammer is in that room.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Kick it

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> I downgraded the mod permissions there until that feature is added

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Kick it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> every mod in that room can use their own handle lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> banhammer was added so scott could ban me

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "until that feature is added"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 20never?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Face fkn palm

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Grow up

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Kick thw bot

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Embarassing fr

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 1+1=2 not "maybe later it will =3"

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> ofrnxmr: just because you spam "kick it" a billion times, doesn't mean you are right or that it will happen.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ofc i know that

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You guys like to be children

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> What's embarassing is the obscene amount of noise you keep making when you don't get your way

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> invited the bot like kids

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And refusing to kick it on the same childish nonsense

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> My way?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> The bot is a moderation tool. It's a moderation room. You're not in charge of it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> orion_midast: was banned and couldnt come to resolutions

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I told you guys weeks before to koc banhammer and yall wanted to power trip

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> That was fixed almost immediately and it is fixed now as well

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> That issue has been resolved, and this isn't the resolution room. So this message is offtopic (and also spam, given how many times you've rehashed this issue - among many others)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You guys are facked

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Anyway. Good to know users wont get caught in crossfire anymore

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And i brought it up in resolutions many times over many weeks

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Didnt do fuck all until i had to come and say "i told ya so"

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Things happen even without your input. You're not the only one who notices these issues, nor addresses them

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Lmao

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So why did you not fix it for weeks

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> But you *are* one (of a select few) who makes incessant noise about it in places where it doesn't belong (such as this room)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Until orion got banned

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> This isn't the room for that discussion

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Move to resolutions please, and stop polluting -communitt

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> We're sorry for not fixing it earlier, but it was fixed almost immediately after it became an issue, and the user had their issue resolved

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> As far as we're concerned, if you need to continue to escalate the handling of this past issue, then you can do so in #resolutions:monero.social or on GitHub

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Read ur dms blood

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> I dmed you like a week ago and even had my bestie westie jw ask about it for me

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> luigi1111: reminder about your Matrix account if you can check it please, thanks!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He did

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Said he doesnt have one

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> xmrscott is helping them regain access

sgp: your words means full nothing to me, considering you are involved in harassment and censorship against me past two years. I know for a fact that you taunted ajs to

for monerokon removal voting also needmoney to get me removed on telegram and pretty much any possible reddit moderator that could bend on with you

these ofcxmr and clones are product of your comapny and politics, I am pretty sure that most of the toxic behavior in the community are created by you my friend

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> For any comments regarding this, please use #resolutions:monero.social

I however didn't treat anyone regarding the CCS comment, it was hypothetical scenario involving my friend

from where I come, kick with keyboard is word of a joke, similar to break a leg, that would then also be a violence

I don't use matrix because you would ban me there

on my example it's possible to see what kind of politics are you running here, probably after you swapped community for your own profit interest

I wrote many times moderators on reddit and here must be paid

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> no bridge

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ^

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> facepalm.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "Clones". Since when is it ok to demean people on a regular basis and allow such a bs fud line to seed, root and grow?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I have 0 alts. Period.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> regular basis = in this room for 1.5 months straight

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I ignored it for 1 month.

if i was a mod i would additionally ban people for excessive noise

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So all of the "another ofrn"! Daily wake up posts, thise go ignored for a mobth

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Pretty sure thats the definition of waking up and _trying_ to send the room offtopic

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And folks spent a month+ of being dismissed as "another ofrn". Im not surprised people are fed up with mods watching as a growing number of community members being harassed and targeted daily, with 0 relevance to any convo

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ^

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> We need a bridge that work instead of a dump relay

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "harassing" and "merged"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So i guess plowsof needs to stop questioning endor about solopt. /s

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ^

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I only see the "reply" on IRC side, none of what it's being replying too

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Meaning no context on IRC side

The current bridge is like from cave period

I'm in matrix now but dunno what I'm supposed to do there

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Supposed to read sgps dm

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> sgp:

<-​coffeeplease-:matrix.org> #98571, that would be me.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And luigi1111: im not sure if im missing something

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: had suggested for geonics ccs, to lower the milestone 1 cost and go the cheaper qualifying route (3k) instead ok 10-12k or whatever.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> movie was merged with no changes. It seems geo did the lower prices option. Is there an overbilling? If so, is adjusting it out of the question?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (I wonder if this counts as harassing 💀)

you’re missing a brain, among other things. where did you read in my update that we didn’t submit to festivals? or didn’t hire a publicist? kindly fuck off.

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> FFS guys, just stop

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> either one of you, genoic or ofrn do not answer. be the smarter one please

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> trying to clarify this line

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > I decided not to wait until next year and see if we qualify via the festival route, so we opted for the second option and will be qualifying through theatrical exhibition.

we’re doing both. submitted to all the festivals, but not waiting for them.

how else do you think we were accepted to 8 already if I didn’t submit?

stop harassing people with ongoing ccs proposals that they’re trying to deliver on.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> next time you wake up, keep my name out of your mouth.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> and ill comment on any ccs proposal i feellike. Rejected, ideas, in progress or completed.

god, scroll up and read the wall of text you vomited after my update. I’m not the one mentioning your name or any of your other ones.

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> he does not have any alts???

sure, and I won an Oscar

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You made false claims about being doxxed

calm down both of you

false claims? ask plowsof, he’s aware of 2 incidents

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> "fuck you, and you and you too" Just calm down everyone please. Stop. Sleep it through the night at least :'D

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> George nicholas? Is doxxing?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> That is the name you opened the ccs unser

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Under*

I’m not explaining myself to you. The people who matter are aware of both instances.

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> omgfg

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> Is there a lockdown function in matrix? XD

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> pacman -R element-desktop ?

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> :_D

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Isn't that the goal?

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> no please. not another person

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Isn't that why the community is paying you 25k?

alpha, please let it go now

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Damn ok i'll let it go

ty

Along the lines of " Someone drop his p.o " [..box..] to send him an award in off topic from alpha was 1 suspicious doxxing request. The proposed bans on the table are for ofrnxmr/geonic/alpharabius - if you 3 are warned specifically for what behaviour is unwanted, can bans be avoided? Tldr Can we retire the word altboy and scammer then become a

dysfunctional family who still gathers for the holidays?

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> lol that last sentence hit hard lmaooo

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No retiring

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Scammers exist

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Altboys dont

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> man please, dont provoke it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> now about liars stop lying and spreading bs

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Im not

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Im reading what plowsof said, and responding

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If we are warned specifically?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Speaking for myself, no. I wont change my behavior because im told to

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ill dress for the occasion

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Bring a flamesuit if you open a shitty ccs

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Accusing ppl of being alts for a mobth straight, to the point these people are too busy defending false claims to contribute as usual (dan and mattermost, for example)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> "Scammer" will be put in front of a random libera chat mod with a sprinkle of CoC and maybe threats of legal action - its an easy fix to remove relay from this/other rooms

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And ban on table for alpha? Thats confusing? Whatd he do now, aside from shutup when nioc asked him to?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Im having a hard time stfu, bcuz geodude is still referring to community members as my alts

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Geo can sue me

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So can mj

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> That has nothing to do with you

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Tell them go for it

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Alpha doxxing/suicide advice copy pasta

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ohh

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Anyway

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> The relay being banned can be avoided, asking pointed questions about ccs is perfectly normal

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ty for the update and feel free to dm me if there's a problem.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> if i was a rat, i wouldnt respond here

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Id just dm you everytime geodude was purposely sending the room into disarray

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But i chilled for a month. You guys have eyes. And so do we

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> A month ago it was a joke. Now its an everyday thing. "cool off periods" are for children. Suicide bombing is for cowards. Deal with the problems or deal with not dealing with the problems

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I have 1 acct. 0 alts. And didn't post for a month. While absolutely nothing was dealt with

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> The trolling/demeaning comments directed at you in your absence /.antagonistic behaviour to others havn't been ignored /.and taken as seriously as the other issues

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> They haven't

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> How many times have people called out to mods

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Before taking the gloves off and talking back?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Are these people aware that their concerns are being taken seriously?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> seems like they feel ignored

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And have asked as much repeatedly

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (if they are being ignored)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Its happening right now /.its all coming to a head / theres a raised hammer

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> i dont care about banning

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Dont allow ppl to spead known falsehoods like that on a daily basis

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thx

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> I respect that tho.

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> We can start with you, since you're so adamant about it. It seems that treating you and other folks like reasonable adults doesn't work. If you want to be treated like children, then you will be treated as such. Just make sure you don't come crying when things don't go your way.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Tf u talking bout kid

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> I am 15, please dont offend me.

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> You're the first in line when it comes to gaslighting and bending history to have your way, and even after things have been settled you still bring them up and coveniently "forget" everything that was said by others. And then flood the chat - like you're doing now, again, after being repeatedly told to stop.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Bending history?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I post quotes

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> D you say "what you dont know, you dont know" ie, shit that happens behind closed doors

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Woops, there it goes again

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> example: mj

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ?????

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ive got nothing to talk to you abt

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Have a nice day endor

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Resolutions (Mod Support)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> This room only wants to know about solopt

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> At this point, any claim that whatever you're doing in here is in good faith, and for the benefit of the community, is just plain false

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> says you

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Again. Have a nice day endor.

I’ve never engaged these lowlifes except to defend myself. Calling me a scammer repeatedly and expecting not to get any pushback is kind of demented.

Not sure where the idea to ban me is coming from. I’ve repeatedly asked them to shut up and I’ve offered to do the same.

And as we’ve seen, he has no intention of shutting up.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ^ you offered to take a ban to get rid of me

Yes and life was blissful. I haven’t renewed that offer.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ^?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> K ive got food to eat. Lata

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Doxxing?????

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Woah it was a joke cool it