<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Ready for January big switch

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> We will need more rpi4 for our infrastructure cluster plowsof!

lol

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> somethings coming

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> and no transition?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> self imploding

<a​js_:matrix.org> hbs: one thing i wanted to check if it is possible to restore signers' wallets with the 25 word mnemonic generated when first starting the process

<h​bs:matrix.org> I haven't checked that, my intuition would be that the whole process would need to be restarted for all participants and therefore the benefit of re using a wallet does not seem to exist. But someone with an understanding of the internals may bring more insights.

<a​js_:matrix.org> i would assume going through the multisig wallet conversation would be needed, but i wonder if this a way to restore the wallet and if it would affect the "original" multisig wallet in some way

<a​js_:matrix.org> nvm

<a​js_:matrix.org> i see `--restore-multisig-wallet` would do the trick

<d​amik-pool:matrix.org> I uploaded full Blockchain

<h​bs:matrix.org> yes but that's not with the 25 words seed but with the way longer multisig you get via `seed` or `encrypted_seed`

<i​ntr:envs.net> ayy it's seth

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> [plowsof](<matrix.to/#/@plowsof:matrix.org>) ^ banned word!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Gm s*th

<s​ethforprivacy:agoradesk.com> Hey selsta not sure if Matrix <> IRC DMs work, but sent you an important one.

<s​ethforprivacy:agoradesk.com> Morning all :)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> they do not

hi, no

<i​ntr:envs.net> indeed they dun brokey

<s​ethforprivacy:agoradesk.com> Ugh OK

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> slstmd: dm this one

<s​ethforprivacy:agoradesk.com> Can you confirm the above, selsta?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> So whats new

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes seth

yes but will take an hour or so before I can access it

<s​ethforprivacy:agoradesk.com> haha

<i​ntr:envs.net> imagine verifying instead of trusting

<s​ethforprivacy:agoradesk.com> All good

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> We lost our ceo

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> trust me 💢

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> never verify!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Selsta posted that themself like 48 hrs ago

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Yeah

<i​ntr:envs.net> I shall trust you on that

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Employee of the month

123bob123: the issue is to make sure it's super clear to everyone, because some people think I want to stay in the core team - we can explore all sorts of options for transitions over the coming days / weeks / months

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> fluffypony: youre nit allowed to keave yet

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Must give 7 days notice

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ty :D

lol

well I'll still be part of the community

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Mr fluffy its blood in, blood out

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Plz provide tldr handover sheet

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Dw fluffy. Community will figure this out

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Just hold ya horses for a sec

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Lol

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> We need more rpi though

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> N if monero tv has a problen, remind him that he scammed ccs this yr

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Good luck with scamming multsig

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> well, a merger is a merger

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Milestones completed are milestones paid

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Merge but no mulla

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You cant block pay for completed milestones

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Need to block the merger in the first place

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Work done, is work paid.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> if i propose "i shall do no work", you have to pay me for the no work i just did. Otherwise youre a thief who only honors contracts when they benefit you

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Oh

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sometimes it can be "the work done is unpaid." And then _you_ get called a scammer for doing unpaid work for years

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> wtf

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> im browsing web-templates

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and then this

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/zUFXAkXFxLliKfNLfuoJDfsG

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> LMFAO

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> fluffypony: this is your fault too, right?!!

lol

probably

It's over 9000 :D

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> What id rather see: a post from geonic saying nothing at all

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Not sure why opinions of scammers are even considered.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> fluffypony, are you aware that monero tv is geonic, and of geonics in progress ccs?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> if not, well, context is important

no I'm not

can we get rid of trolls and have this channel +v

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/371

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20210906#c22289

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> been trying for years to disrupt development

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Left, and came back for a quick 25k

i would agree with de-trolling this channel

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> you guys are the trolls

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Im _on topic_

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The first comment on the github, and the harassee on twitter

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Is a ccs scsmmer, who trolls instead of answering anything

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And who is supported by his friends who also just troll instead of work

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> again, monero-policy has used midipoets personal google drive for over a year?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Want to stand up for people who scam and want fluffy to step down.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Luigi was the one using passwords and storing our funds insecurely, but geo wont accuse the guy who paid hin 25k under the table

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> fluffy, can you share if all 7 members of core are at least minimally engaged with monero? to me it seems that only 5 of them are.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> we should have a trivia

it's 4th day in a row as I come to do something important and I am stuck in this obviously more important community matter

and the trolls is just making it harder, it's okay you can pay someone 500usd monthly to spam us as a form of attack

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The floor is yours

but not sure we should need to listen to that crap

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Bird. Of. A. Feather.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The floor is yours. Speak your business

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Not that it was yours to give in the first place, anyway

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> When did i say it was?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Said i was in his way, i said k im out of your way

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> anyway, how bout solopt?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thought so

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> we really need to get around to those purgatory ccs

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The trolling here, is brushing off problems and pretending bringing them up is trolling

charutocafe: obviously there's less of a need for every core team member to be as active as we were in the past, so I wouldn't expect quite the same level of activity from everyone

also people get busy with personal lives and other projects and stuff, so activity waxes and wanes

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> i'm not asking if they are active, i am asking if they are still stakeholders

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> if they are even aware of recent changes and developments to the protocol

oh I see what you're saying - yes they are

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> from my pov it seems like some could have easily forgotten about or abandoned monero and moved on to different endeavours

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> good to know, thanks for clarifying

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> i'll take your word for it ;)

<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Luigi was the one using passwords and storing our funds insecurely, but geo wont accuse the guy who paid hin 25k under the table. <= password is mostly red herring. The geonic ccs was definitely not under the table. It had more discussion than almost all CCSes. It had a special notice on it that it was controversial or whatever.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> .....

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Id rather not go back and forth aboht this

Me too. You keep bringing it up every day.

Anyone can go read the thread and realize you are not representing reality

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Since day 1, its been a luigi merger

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > ok we merged the video. Can we merge another 1 or 3 to divert attention?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Lol

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> In all honesty, I ask: just briefly, why is it a red herring?

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> (do not want to further divide, just want to understand)

It was discussed for an entire month

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And prior to

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> behind the scenes

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Im not speculating

Password was long and full random. A compromised access machine very likely implies a compromised ssh key too.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You know i know, and if you dont, we can talk in private

eudaimon36: Imagine you're playing a game of treasure hunt, where you have to follow clues to find the treasure. Now, what if one of the clues is tricky and leads you to a place that has nothing to do with the treasure? That's like a "red herring". It's something that takes you off the right path and makes you think about something else that isn't really important for finding the treasure. It’s called "red" because smoked herrings

turn a reddish color and they have a very strong smell, so in the past, people would use them to throw hunting dogs off the scent of what they were really supposed to be finding. So, a "red herring" is a clue or an idea that takes you away from the real useful answer or thing you're looking for.

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> Thank you.

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Still working on it

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> "Oh he didn't answer my demands within 0.2 seconds, he's clearly a scammer!"

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> lol, I know what a red herring is, but I did not know why ofrn's criticism qualified as one :)

<0​xfffc:matrix.org> I suspect he understands what red herring is.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I didnt call you a scammer. Mj was tho

<e​udaimon36:matrix.org> But I have to say, you describe it in more detail than I ever considered it. very nice.

<0​xfffc:matrix.org> I agree to. Interesting explanation. I am sure I will never forget what red herring is.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <l​uigi1111> Password was long and full random. A compromised access machine very likely implies a compromised ssh key too.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You dont need to compromise the access machine (steal keys) to brute force an ssh login from the outside

False

Zero chance

Run the math and get back to me

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> if using key auth, you need to steak the keys before you can do anything

It also wasn't accessible to the outside

No you can just guess the keys. Only a little harder

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Gotcha

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ill stsrt recommending ppl use passwords now /s

Nah there's reasons to use keys

Just saying a password is necessarily insecure is categorically false

I might notice brontobytes (didn't know that was a word) of brute force data, given the machine was even accessible from the internet.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i like Ask Luigi Anything Mondays (ALAM)

GPG+SSH in a YubiKey is the way

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> i like ALAM too "what's your second favorite character from the mario franchise?"

Mario

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Wario

that fits

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Luigi is #1111(w)

your favorite is Waluigi

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> and there goes the hot wallet

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> i joke.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No, fav is luigi (with the w)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Warluigi

<i​ntr:envs.net> maybe it was waluigi all along

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> great ideas for the animated video reconstruction

I will leave github comment, however for this transaction to be right and meaningful

<i​ntr:envs.net> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…e5a8b3ddb4960be01721529069280952320

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Doxxed

<i​ntr:envs.net> wwAAAAA

first we need to start from the bottom

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> MajesticBank @MajesticBank:libera.chat: ty

<i​ntr:envs.net> sorry I'll be quiet lmao

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> best to continue in -offtopic, this is getting spammy.

so that Community Channels Workgroup is first what we need to be fixed properly

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No

reddit workgroup, irc workgroup, telegram workgroup, twitter workgroup, matrix workgroup

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The wallet needs to be fixed first

5 workgroups

3-5 mods, current or new

I agree there's a bunch of pending proposals

with additional 3 member review board

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> @luigi fwiw im ok with plowsof suggest as a short term measure

I also have a pending proposal and didn't even open it yet due to the uncertainty

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> We need to get these devs fed

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we already have a CCS Workgroup, and we have an ideas list that is only going to grow ccs.getmonero.org/ideas and nobody has offered a solution to get things going temporarily

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Dangerousfreedom has been pushed back for a long time already, for example

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> i argue that bridged platforms should operate under the same workgroup and same set of rules.

selsta I would go ahead and open it. You can probably even start work given your history *gasp*

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i say, general fund 2 wallet , beginnign at an unused subaddress index

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Or subacct?

okkk will open tt

it

we should probably ask binaryFate before signing him up for more stuff

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> anything subaccount, subaddress minor major

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we cant wait for january 2025

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> 2024. fluffy meant 2024.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> asking people before signign them up only leads to problems

subaccount is better because it separates balances. Whole separate wallet probably better though IDK

can someone ask binaryFate about it? as temp measure

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> multi sig is garbage

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> im worried for events, but they are going to be the test case study for it

<s​paceguide:matrix.org> agreed

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we can talk about the super administrators, the multi sigs the CDNS until jan 2025 but we need a temporary solution right now

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> spaceguide agreed to luigis comment "sub acc is better.. Whole seperate wallet.."

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> only Quotes carry over to IRC

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> what does binaryfate think of a temporary solution for raising CCS funds (whole new wallet OR piggy backing onto GF2) - we can assume that payouts will have delays for security reasons but this is no blocker

<h​bs:matrix.org> we'll try to be brave...

I don't know if it's necessary or how it might complicate anything but if it was me each CCS proposal that goes to funding would have its own wallet

no reuse of wallets would happen this way

and no combined balances

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> im always in favour in tiny steps toward end goals, rather than giant leaps

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> CCS_2024 wallet .. CCS_2025, a wallet for every proposal is.. alot

many seeds and many pws, oh well lol

let's start small

just fix the ccs, so we can get something on track

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> KISS

mine was kiss, just not in every way

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

plowsof luigi1111w do you have recommendations for a kiss solution to reduce risk to the CCS wallets?

nioc> many seeds and many pws, oh well lol <= this is rather hard

right now the viewkey server can generate new addresses

you would need to manually make a new wallet for each CCS, and they would likely be on the same system, so security not really higher, and it would interactive (or the system would need to be online and active which would be a lot worse)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> my version is the short-term KISS for 'us' but push more responsibility onto bF: Piggy back onto GF2 - which we must consider is most secure, as from inception this wallet was intended to hold 'over 9000' moneros. which would mean nothing has to change, we just need the private view key. we have no idea where bF stands on this though.

nioc> plowsof luigi1111w do you have recommendations for a kiss solution to reduce risk to the CCS wallets? <= I'm not sure the state of ledger, but one could use that or a full offline system with usb keys for transfers (which isn't zero risk, but a lot closer). Definitely lower on the usability scale, but probably not that bad.

plowsof you already have the viewkey

wait maybe not IDK

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> for GF2?

yeah sorry nvm

plowsof: reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/11fslu…fund_transparency_report_march_2023

doesn't this have the view key?

5c58e403ec2076594f4791b0322ad4b8720ad6bedfafee03aa3ff97f7b1a540f

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> luigi and selsta are correct we do have GF2 , sorry

ok then just start generating account 1 subaddresses

(don't do this)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> lol

damn

...

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> grief often comes in waves

lol

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> It's like random

<4​rkal:monero.social> Just realized that the monero archive has been up for almost 2 months with 0 down time!

<4​rkal:monero.social> ```iji2hhxnh4jfyx6q2wenr7bo2p2jmsmk7dzu5pvh2s2gupud472mihad.onion```

<4​rkal:monero.social> iji2hhxnh4jfyx6q2wenr7bo2p2jmsmk7dzu5pvh2s2gupud472mihad.onion

On the subject of work groups, I think we could use some more moderators for r/Monero, especially since the current team (including me) cannot devote that much time to it

<4​rkal:monero.social> I'd be happy to help with moderating. I have a bit of experience before hand with reddit moderation and have quite a bit of free time lately.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Please submit resume to hr⊙go :)

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Yeah, but that's an especially hard job to moderate there on Reddit. "No good deed left unpunished", really. It's always you to blame, however well you moderate.

reddit doesn't need mods, everyone just behaves over there

<e​shohet24:matrix.org> are there any software engineering roles open? :)

<i​ntr:envs.net> "clean it up, janny"

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> I’d be like stiff shit, ban hammer!

<c​trej:matrix.org> 4rkal: you should know that there is a lot of not activity that the current mods filter out.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Yes, yes, that reminds on the almost religious believe that almost all crimes will vanish once you put a lifelong sentence or even death sentence on it. Works splendidly.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Cant make everyone happy, am i right mr fluffy

<r​ucknium:monero.social> eshohet24: Yes, but the process is nontraditional. How are you interested in contributing?

<r​brunner7:monero.social> eshohet24: Do you know this already? getmonero.org/2023/02/02/seraphis-jamtis-developer-opportunities.html

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> We need engineer for monero mesh network :0

<e​shohet24:matrix.org> I want to make open source code contributions where they are needed. My C++ skills are weak, but perhaps there are other areas in the project that need help :) I also like the idea of coming up with a proposal and applying for a grant.

<e​shohet24:matrix.org> What's the monero mesh network? I am not totally familiar with Monero quite yet :P

<e​shohet24:matrix.org> I want to make open source code contributions where they are needed. My C++ skills are weak, but perhaps there are other areas in the project that need help :) I also like the idea of coming up with a proposal and applying for a grant.

<e​shohet24:matrix.org> What's the monero mesh network? I am not totally familiar with Monero quite yet :P

<e​shohet24:matrix.org> @rbrunner7:monero.social @123bob123:matrix.org ^

<4​rkal:monero.social> Heard that pinode was looking for contributors. (github.com/monero-ecosystem/PiNode-XMR).

<4​rkal:monero.social> Heard that pinode was looking for contributors. (github.com/monero-ecosystem/PiNode-XMR )

<4​rkal:monero.social> If you know how to write simple bash scripts you might be able to help out with something there

<4​rkal:monero.social> You can find some more projects that are open to contributions here: github.com/monero-ecosystem

<e​shohet24:matrix.org> Thank you for the links @j4k3:matrix.org . Out of all the repos, my skills overlap heavily with the monero-ts project.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> eshohet24: You can ask woodser about monero-rs in #monero-community-dev:monero.social or #haveno:haveno.network

kindly make me admin of the git workgroup, ill change gitlab to git and rewrite monero in rust

gitlab to gitea*

without trolling: i'm available for help wherever

We already made selsta the admin without asking though

nooo

:'(((

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Pwnd

<i​ntr:envs.net> dsc_: rewrite it in Ruby and we'll consider it

dsc_ thank you for the genuine offer x

xoxo

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <s​elsta> nooo

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Drafted

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Tribe has spoken

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Selsta- superuser now

ctrej: Can you elaborate?

<c​trej:matrix.org> lot of BOT activity. phone posting, sorry

<r​ucknium:monero.social> > eshohet24: You can ask woodser about monero-rs in #monero-community-dev:monero.social or #haveno:haveno.network

<r​ucknium:monero.social> I mean monero-ts. monero-rs is Rust I guess.

Ah right, but those typically get filtered

<m​etro76:matrix.org> came here to say fluffypony ate all the monero

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> The fluffy monster

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<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Wb

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Monero yachting accident

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> This is worse

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> What if fluffy just lost the xmr in a boating accident