<plowsof:matrix.org> 244~xmr was the "unhacked amount" in the CCS2 (the small wallet that was actually used to payout people quickly) so its a good number to start at <= true but this is definitely on the low side for a historical average

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Who am I and how did I get here?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Youre rottenwheel, and maybe 30 more accts. Backlog in is Resolutions (Mod Support) for those interested

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> I can hold the moneys i pinky promises i wont run off

<4​rkal:monero.social> Couldn't rino hold funds hostage? By refusing to use their key?

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> > <m​idipoet> if events want to risk 12k with it, i am sure CCS can risk the same

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> How is that an acceptable argument? If they can ignore the risk, why can't we too ignore the risk?

<a​js_:matrix.org> 4rkal: no, the user has two keys and can recover the multisig wallet with monero cli wallet without RINO's key

<a​js_:matrix.org> rino.io/blog/how-to-recover-rino-wallet

trasherdk: by your thinking, multisg should never be used at all then?

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> I agree, at least not until it have been fixed.

<a​js_:matrix.org> TrasherDK which risk are you talking about?

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> The non-zero one.

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> ```

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> plowsof

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> multisig which is what RINO is based on though, is not "known secure" (there is an above zero chance an exploit exists)

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> ```

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Also, multisig is pretty much unusable in it's current form. Doing a 3/5 signing require too many messages back and forth between participants.

<4​rkal:monero.social> Oh that's pretty cool actually

<a​js_:matrix.org> monero itself is non-zero to be honest

lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > Couldn't rino hold funds hostage? By refusing to use their key?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > The person initially creating the wallet has 2 of 3 keys and can rug-pull in theory. If you manage to separate those two keys, nobody can spend funds alone.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> so ajs, himself, has 2 keys and can rug(?)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > In operation, all normal tx are signed by the user key and RINO's key (the third key remains ideally air-gapped).

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "ideally". Too bad it is generated online

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > For example, for a 3 of 5 approval process you need 3 users to approve a transaction before RINO counter-signs it.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Rino can conspire with a wallet creator to bypass all pseudosigners

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Anyway, not any worse than a single signer wallet..

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> q. If wallet is generated online, what assurances do you have that rino _only_ has 1 key? (as opposed to all of them)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Im a nice guy. We can use my server to generate your wallets. _ill_ give _you_ 2/3 keys

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> >> <@btclovera:matrix.org>

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > The only problem I see with use ONLY this method (only RINO) is that you generated the wallet literally hot 🔥 online

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> >

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > Would be nice if RINO allow users to create a Wallet offline via airgapped or something like that

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Resp

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > We currently don't support user-created keys atm. We should add that. Alternatively there's the proposal of encrypting the keys with different pgp keys so that the user and backup keys can be separated upon wallet creation.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> notice the word "alternatively". Lol. As if the former was an inadequate, incorrect or unusable solution

is this regarding the CCS?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yea, but its annoying

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Buncha hairbrained schemes derailing solutiona

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Rino is by a core memer WHO, HIMSELF, DOESNT USE IT

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> lol

just have one person install some wallet on their computer and manage the funds

we can setup a 100 person multisig but we are not Tom Cruise

(reference to mission impossible)

btw I'm working on something that looks roughly like ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/MoneroSigner.html

a monero touchscreen device wallet thingy

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> cute

hobby project

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> i like touchscreen thingies

i found a good 800x480 matte small touchscreen with the full color depth and it does not reflect

most touchscreens reflect, its really annoying

i also hate mirrors btw

;d

and ill be 3D printing some enclosure

so basically you create a transaction on your desktop and then sign it on the device

you need physical access to the device to send out transactions

so it is better than having priv. keys on desktop or even mobile phone

anyway, niche product :P

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> would it be impossible to get something to work via USB

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> just thinking

i dont think I will have this device expose USB ports (unless you rip the device open I suppose)

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> nah i mean in theory

ah yeah, sure

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sounds interesting 👀

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> Sounds 👀

but it wont have a secure HW element like Trezor or whatever

a thief could steal the device and grab the SD card that contains the priv. key

I see it more as a fun gadget you can put on the closet

like, the dashboard could show XMR stockprice

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> a fun gadget holding you private key

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> sus

xD

well im just making it for myself anyway

it'l be based on feather code

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> how about encrypting the key with a passphrase as an option

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> would that work

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> cause thiefs are plenty these days

entering passphrases via touchscreen is a bit annoying, more so on a 5" screen

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> a short code would do

yeah, will do

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> just buying enough time for you to use your backup to send the funds to another address

was also thinking about how to do FDE while only having a touchscreen

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> 👍️

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> fde ?

full disk encryption

xD

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> oh r

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> xD

i dont think the bios will recognize the touch events

lel

but I could mount some encrypted storage after boot

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> i'm too old for all those acronyms lel

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> either everything is encrypted or the key is only temporarily stored in ram

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> either everything is encrypted or the decrypted key is only temporarily stored in ram

well, as said this is not a device for neckbeards who want to LARP as tom cruise in mission impossible, this will be a normal device, for regular users

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> lol

its the way to true adoption :)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But i wanna wear my lifts and jump onto helicopters and trains

:D

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> what if someone IEM your house lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cant you encrypt the sd?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> IEM?

ill look into mounting encrypted file storage

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Isnt it IMF? (partially sarcastic. Seriously, whats IEM?)

oh, check :P

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> emp

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> lol

anyway, so far I have took the Feather codebase, removed all the GUI code, and turned it into a websocket service

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> my wording is confused

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> looks nic

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> looks nice

then for my own GUI, I have a cross-compiled Qt6

it will run without X, using EGLFS

so it will boot straight into this app

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> which X lol

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> there are two noz

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> there are two now

X server, for linux desktop environments

so it will run without

brb

<s​weetbearkiller:monero.social> do show us a demo when you have it look nice :)

aye :)

<x​mradar:nope.chat> hello

<x​mradar:nope.chat> i translated kuno to swedish

<x​mradar:nope.chat> but my fundraiser is not fully funded

<x​mradar:nope.chat> if you want to support my work here is the link kuno.anne.media/fundraiser/bxjg

<x​mradar:nope.chat> the translation is live here kuno.anne.media/lang/sv

xmradar Nice, but kuno.anne.media/faq is not translated? Also, are you a native speaker? I went through translations and everything seems ok, but Swedish is my 3rd language and I'm not so good at it.

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Are you Swedish? These are clearly google translated, ai would do a better job than this

<x​mradar:nope.chat> yes i am a native speaker but not a professional translator but should be a decent translation.

<x​mradar:nope.chat> i dont know how to translate the faq page

<x​mradar:nope.chat> i translated this github.com/annemedia/kuno-translation

<x​mradar:nope.chat> Are you Swedish? These are clearly google translated, ai would do a better job than this

<x​mradar:nope.chat> if you want to recommend any changes please do. But dont accuse me of anything i didnt do

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> My intention was not to be disrespectful, it was a genuine question

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> My intention was not to be disrespectful, it's a genuine question

<x​mradar:nope.chat> clearly google translated?

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> " Alice skriver ett hjärtligt tackbrev till varje donator som en uppskattningens gest."

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Dude 😁

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Han når målet och använder medlen för att anställa Monero-vänliga konstnärer från MoneroMarket och köpa spelresurser med ett virtuellt CakePay betalkort.

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> "Spelresurser"

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> I could go on, there is a lot that I could comment on, but these things stick out as translated by a software, I stand hard by that comment.

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Detta skulle felaktigt beräknas som en donation, och din insamlingsframsteg kommer att vara felaktig. Om du behöver använda medel under resan, ta alltid ut hela saldot och lämna inget "växel".',

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> This is grammatically wrong, apart from the meaning being translated incorrectly by a program.

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> I dont seek any conflict or drama, but if the community funds a project they should receive a high quality output, it's nothing personal XMRadar

<x​mradar:nope.chat> i tried my best, but to be honest most of these sentanses dont even make sense in english

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> XMRadar: Lets discuss it in Swedish if you do not mind.

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Detta skulle felaktigt beräknas som en donation, och din insamlingsframsteg kommer att vara felaktig. Om du behöver använda medel under resan, ta alltid ut hela saldot och lämna inget "växel".',

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Hur skulle du översätta det här? Vad betyder meningen?

tbh the swedish text seemed a bit off to me too, even with my limited knowledge

a bit off but easier to understand than normal text :D

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> 'error_entered_public_view_key' => 'Ogiltig vyckel (Ange din privata/hemliga vyckel, inte offentlig vyckel)',

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> 'error_entered_public_spend_key' => 'Ogiltig vyckel (Ange din privata/hemliga vyckel, inte offentlig spenderingsvyckel)',

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> 'error_entered_private_spend_key' => 'Ogiltig vyckel (Ange din privata/hemliga vyckel, inte privat spenderingsvyckel)',

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> 'error_invalid_private_view_key' => 'Ogiltig vyckel (Ange din privata/hemliga vyckel)',

<x​mradar:nope.chat> kan vi göra det har lite senare i dm pls?

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Key is misspelt 11 times here

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> This was not correctly written either... I appreciate that you made a foundation of the translation though, it would make the job easier for someone to help with it, but it should not be compensated in its current form

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> And I do not mean any disrespect, XMRadar

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The cost was around 50usd. Maybe try to get it reviewed for a bit more

<x​mradar:nope.chat> Det är en view key vy nickel

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> nyckel...

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> 99% of Swedish people are fluent in English, I think funds could be allocated elsewhere more effectively

<x​mradar:nope.chat> What's not written correctly?

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> vyckel is not a word. Nyckel (key) is the word you are looking for..

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> 99% of Swedish people are fluent in English, I think funds could be allocated elsewhere more efficiently

<x​mradar:nope.chat> Have you even looked at the original English text?

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> I have not, I don't see how thats relevant though. I gotta go for a bit, take care everyone

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Mange ord, såsom viewkey, giver ingen mening når de bliver oversat til "se nøgle" 🤪

<x​mradar:nope.chat> Mate I speak swedish

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> That is great! I gotta go for a while, take care everyone :)

<x​mradar:nope.chat> As I said before it's view key vy nickel

<x​mradar:nope.chat> And that is vyckel for some reason

<x​mradar:nope.chat> > <@vostoemisio:matrix.org> vyckel is not a word. Nyckel (key) is the word you are looking for..

<x​mradar:nope.chat> In reply to @vostoemisio:matrix.org

<x​mradar:nope.chat> vyckel is not a word. Nyckel (key) is the word you are looking for..

<x​mradar:nope.chat> I speak swedish

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/qiqcBySZLnlufyAHWdvtJMMR

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> I stated pretty clearly what I think about the translation work, if the community want to move on that's fine, gtg

<x​mradar:nope.chat> As I said before it's view key vy nyckel

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> I stated pretty clearly what I think about the translation work, if the community want to fund it, that's fine, gtg

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> I stated pretty clearly what I think about the translation work, if the community wants to fund it, that's fine, gtg

<x​mradar:nope.chat> ?

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> ```

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> XMRadar

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Det är en view key vy nickel

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> ```

<x​mradar:nope.chat> Yup

<x​mradar:nope.chat> View key is vy nyckel

<x​mradar:nope.chat> Can also be vyckel for one word

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Your reading comprehension is as bad as your Swedish.

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> You said `Det är en view key vy nickel`

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> And `vyckel` is not a word.

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/ysAMLvamlJIQyhLcwJAbjVWh

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> I'm out of this bitch....

<x​mradar:nope.chat> As I said before the word vyckel is the combination of the words vy (view) + nyckel (key) = vyckel

<x​mradar:nope.chat> I can fix it if you insist but I don't think your right

<x​mradar:nope.chat> I can fix it if you insist but I don't think that you're right

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> I don't care.

<x​mradar:nope.chat> As I said before if anyone has any recommendations as to what is wrong I can change it. But it looks like you only want to criticize and leave

xmradar: it's a regular occurrence.

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Criticizing a translation that's makes no sense, consists of made up words, and don't care to have lengthy discussions about it. I presented my case. It's done.

<x​mradar:nope.chat> Is this better? Detta skulle felaktigt räknas som en donation, och ditt insamlingsframsteg kommer att bli felaktigt. Om du behöver använda medel under resan, ta alltid ut hela saldot och lämna ingen "växel."

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Pretty much sums it up 👆

<x​mradar:nope.chat> Doesn't care to have a lengthy discussion.. then proceeds to leave

<x​mradar:nope.chat> If you have any recommendations my dms are always open : )

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> It's not one or two instances of weirdly or incorrectly translated texts. If it was I would be happy to give constructive feedback and leave it at that.

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> For any Swedish (or even Scandinavian) native it's easy to see that this is software generated.

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Do you want me to point 10 more errors XMRada??r: ? I don't see the point of doing that

<r​imugu:unredacted.org> If you like reading short stories and like Monero try "The Monero Chronicles" Book (rbrunner7.github.io/book.html) So far I have read 6 of the 18 short stories and they are good.

<x​mradar:nope.chat> That's what direct translation does lol

<x​mradar:nope.chat> Can I dm you?

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> 🤔

<x​mradar:nope.chat> Looks like the only thing you care about is publicly criticizing and not actually contributing to anything. I'm done, if you want any changes to the translation dm me. I spent a lot of time doing this translation, but as I said before I'm far from a professional.

<x​mradar:nope.chat> Enjoy the rest of your day

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Can anyone send me the ENG url to the text in question?

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> If it doesn't take more than 3 hours or so I'll translate it for free

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Can someone send me the ENG url to the text in question?

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Can someone send me the url to the ENG text in question?

<x​mradar:nope.chat> github.com/annemedia/kuno-translation

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Thanks

I would have gotten away with it.. how was i supposed to know 90% of everyone here speaks fluent Swedish

Might have better success with Mandarin

dsc_ is going to complete 2 CCS' as a weekend hobby unfunded,.sigh

speaking of which repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/401#note_22904

500+ hrs 0_o

first milestone 250 hrs, second 342 hrs and now this

<s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> first I was shocked, then realized 500h is the total, not the amount of hours in the last month lol

how can you tell? If running total that would mean only 92hrs for the second milestone shich can't be right

but the 2 month being a total would make sense

weird how it's broken up

anyway we are lucky to have jb :)

<s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> ^ agreed

plowsof: nah because I want to create an interface using 3D and go all hollywood, it'll take a while

plowsof: this is peak UX design: youtube.com/watch?v=X7hRb2BXL1A&t=3m44s

So you're saying theres a chance that we can play quake on this offline signer, i love it already (a primitive VR goggle enclosure to mount the signer is also a great idea)

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> So that means jb is complete cause hes gone over?

Billed for 480 hours and provided over 500 (its a running total)

<4​rkal:monero.social> With the war on cash in Sweden I wouldn't be surprised tbh.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> i only speak swedish on thursdays

Kuna has an admin warning on this translation fundraiser kuno.anne.media/fundraiser/iq9w

<4​rkal:monero.social> Should like 90% of kuno fundraisers have an admin warning? Lol

<4​rkal:monero.social> For example kuno.anne.media/fundraiser/1u0s

<4​rkal:monero.social> kuno.anne.media/fundraiser/misz

<4​rkal:monero.social> kuno.anne.media/fundraiser/lxeq

<4​rkal:monero.social> Idk really starting to dislike the general kuno "community"

<4​rkal:monero.social> Makes you appreciate ccs gatekeeping

oh my

lol

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Yo sech1.

The neroshop fundraiser for 400xmr should be verifiable as the devs are here

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> layter: sir?

<l​ayter:matrix.org> oi

<b​ehelit:hackliberty.org> what does an admin warning mean, that they are administrators of the website? I've viewing kuno on tor w/o js so I think thats why I'm not seeing that warning

<l​ayter:matrix.org> I should probably lower the XMR amount

<l​ayter:matrix.org> I went too overboard 🫡

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> layter: you still work with joszef? Why is he not here?

<l​ayter:matrix.org> he's no longer with us

<l​ayter:matrix.org> probably lost interest in the project or sumtin else

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> The xmr community upsets me

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> From looking at this site and others we can pay for 3 seconds in a movie and nigerian libertarian seminar but we can't decentralize project funding?

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Rest in peace man

<l​ayter:matrix.org> not like that 🤣

<a​lpharabius:matrix.org> Oh

Link it on github /.pgp sign the address if not already layter thnx

Thanks for pinging him rottenwheel 👍

plowsof: yeah it has a Mali-G31 so itll run quake 2 and 3 fine

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <p​lowsof> The neroshop fundraiser for 400xmr should be verifiable as the devs are here

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Plowsof, layter was here and liked your post

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (im just poking fun at rotten. Fun guy to mess with :P)

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof excuse me, who are you?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> See^