<t​rasherdk:monero.social> How is m​idipoet: `The most the community loses is the XMR amount associated with that milestone.` even in the conversation?

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Sponsors funds should never be put at risk.

Because a seed was created with barely any entropy, and sent half via superPrivateChat.apk , the rest via carrier pigeon. Then an evil maid ignored a windows machine with other crypto wallet(s). This is why community funds should be put at risk

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> E2ee carrier pigeon ?

trasherdk: sponsors funds are evidently at risk with DF or escrow, as we have have seen.

<m​ichael:monero.social> Remember to volunteer to organise our assembly at the forthcoming CCC Congress in case a Monero presence is welcome there.

<m​ichael:monero.social> For participation at the Cryptocurrency Hackers assembly contact me here or on events.

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> m​idipoet: The loss of funds had nothing to do with the CCS system. It was solely caused by one persons negligence aka. Total fuck-up.

trasherdk: so what you're saying is that a single party escrow system poses no risk?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But GF is 👌?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "we musnt risk rhe $5

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "sir, what about the 5m?"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "what about it?"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "... nvm"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > m​idipoet: The loss of funds had nothing to do with the CCS system. It was solely caused by one persons negligence aka. Total fuck-up.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Agreed

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> I'm saying that the existing CCS system have a long record of success.

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> The direct funding system has zero, as shown by proponents of DF wanting exposure through the CCS.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Why u gotta tell the truth, trasher?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> people prefer their comfort zones

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> escrow = what your employer does

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Bursting bubbles is my favorite pastime.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But, does your employer disappear on payday?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> im going to go ask my boss at work for DF

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Aint that called "being a stripper"

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Good luck with that. They are going to laugh their asses of while kicking you out the door.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> My ass is phat

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Theyll be throwing dollars to see the door hit it omw out!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> DF = best funding

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (im jkn)

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/GOPcvSHfkqrsQVKCbttIfIoq

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> This is what the 68 Mustang I'm restoring. You can buy it now, paying 1000 XMR. It'll be ready for pickup in about 2 months.

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> How does that sound?

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> This is what the 68 Mustang I'm restoring is going to look like 💯

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> pinky promise you wont run off?

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Suuure 💯

GF also poses a risk to sponsors/donors funds, as it is also (as I understand it) a single party escrow system

we haven't really learned anything new with this exchange, apart from trasher liking Fords

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> It was an example of reputational direct funding. Something the OG devs with the longstanding reputation doesn't want.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Midipoet is a slow learner

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "we" hehe

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> DF is for larping or for those who dont need ccs

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And larp is an acronym for live action role play.. its not an insult, its an observation

<m​egamind1337:matrix.org> Hello everyone, what’s the process for introducing and approving changes to Monero? I apologise for the newbie question, maybe there’s some documentation I missed

Changes can be submitted via a pull request on github (or a patch pasted/shared on IRC). It's then reviewed/approved by the relevant devs

Eventually merged into a release branch

<m​egamind1337:matrix.org> Thank you!

<m​egamind1337:matrix.org> So in a practical sense the reviewers are encumbered with deciding whether or not some changes are accepted? If so, how are those devs selected?

I am still working on a physical, dedicated Monero wallet with a touchscreen

airgapped device, 800x480 matte IPS display

5"

its gona b kewl

<r​ucknium:monero.social> megamind1337: Do you want to suggest some specific changes, or are you just curious about the process? The process is different for different kinds of changes.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Users decide what software they are going to run. So users decide.

<m​egamind1337:matrix.org> No suggestions, just learning how it works, is this the wrong channel?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Community devs and community reviewers review your suggestions or PRs

<r​ucknium:monero.social> This is the right channel. It's a question with a complicated answer

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Monero has no BIP-like process.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> A consensus-level change has much more discussion, review, and scrutiny than s simple wallet bug fix, for example.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Some big changes start here: github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sorry to change the subject

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> nitter.net/watchfund/status/1732391070216908886

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But ive decided not to buy my jet yet

<m​egamind1337:matrix.org> I understand, there’s always a balance in these things that has no strictly right or wrong answers; i appreciate the answers though!

binaryFate check general fund for a donation?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Plowsof, you brought your parachute?

Lol

Ofrnxmr the only one paying attention around here

<t​obtoht:monero.social> did we get our ccs money back?

<0​xfffc:matrix.org> Lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "paying" attention

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (did you catch the pun?? Did ya?)

<0​xfffc:matrix.org> Can we verify this?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> PlowsofAI is in verification mode

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But hes running on an hdd

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Might take little while

<t​obtoht:monero.social> I have GF synced, +2696.72 XMR (might be change)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ( polar9669: posted first. Also paying attn)

GF1 gets swept to GF2, it can't be change

Luigi1111

<r​ucknium:monero.social> SGP could see if there are any plausible paths back to the CCS theft txs. (no, I'm not jealous 🥲 )

<r​ucknium:monero.social> I just don't have my Monero data set up to quickly analyze the paths.

We can finally buy monero dot com!!! /S

that tx has the oldest of 16 ring members created on October 25th. Either it was churned, or it's not directly from the CCS hack

<r​ucknium:monero.social> It only has a single input, too.

Single input is typical after you do sweep_all

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Sweep, churn, churn, regret, donate

regret is a powerful mistress

<r​ucknium:monero.social> sech1: Did you read SGP's moonstoneresearch.com/2023/11/03/Postmortem-of-Monero-CCS-Hack.html ?

<r​ucknium:monero.social> The theft occurred in multiple txs because the CCS wallet had so many unspent outputs. Then the thief may have sent a PocketChange tx to themself.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> The single-input donation tx doesn't mean it was or wasn't related to the theft. Just interesting that a single output would have so much XMR.

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> What's the txid?

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> never mind, sorry still waking up

Until they are confirmed swept to GF2 , those moneros don't exist

It was a social experiment to test loyalty to Core

Cheeky wink on the tweet and everything

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The tweets arent a bot?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> A few others have the wink too

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And a tiny donation has 🐋🚨

If amount contains 69 OR 420 add wink

If amount < 1 cent trigger whale alert

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> WTF

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> Who, how

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> ah

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> nvm

Wat

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> dis

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> image.png

luigi1111 sum1 donated about 2.6k xmr to GF1

Pick the red phone up and call bF so it can be swept to GF2 rhanks

Wind it up first (not even connected to the grid. So secure is it)

I just did

Wow

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> see?

Thanks

bF tells.the pilot to land at the nearest flat piece of land

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Not a mark on her

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> even filled it up with gas

X'D

<0​xfffc:matrix.org> Maybe not correct time, but I still think we should make this whole GF wallets more secure.

Nah we need to delay the entire monero project and work on the ccs wallet first

Multisig out of experimental state with UX improvements in 3 months , lets go

It is a proposal please don't knock it I have a very fragile ego

Just long enough to force urgency. I like your proposal +1

My ego is now even more fragile that ive made someone mention their own fragile ego. Please forgive me

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <p​lowsof> Nah we need to delay the entire monero project and work on the ccs wallet first

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 💯 lmao

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "Plowsof with an ego" Hopefully one day 🤞

Goals for 2024!

just start every sentence with "listen bro, [...]"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> For 2023* lfg

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Im jk. I read something plowsof wrote last week

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And i was like "atta boy"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (in my head)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> and somebody else replied "its not like you to be so direct" or similar.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Plowsof's ego is growing up 🔥

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ofrnxmr better tread lightly in 2024

If im not tired then I don't have to go to bed i said (stamped my foot after it)

I moved the fat donation to GF2

It's real woohoo thank you

<r​brunner7:monero.social> So it's real? We have the same amount as before, basically?

More

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Oh man.

2,675.73 stolen and

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Somehow hard to believe. Maybe just a glitch in the universe simulation :)

where was nioc's cat today

selsta: I might have to check her wallet

21 extra rbrunner, if the whale would like a refund please email bF xD

<0​xfffc:matrix.org> youtu.be/gHFuXe-glRY

<0​xfffc:matrix.org> Welcome to the real world!

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> (this was all a ploy by core to speedup multisig)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 0xFFFC: found my autobiography

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Lol hacker shit themselves?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> youtu.be/Nbb1OQohuMQ

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Skip to :35

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Everyone back to insecure setups plz. It was over hyped.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> #ban youtube links#

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> It's that brax video about the HTTPS scam

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> yewtu.be/watch?v=Nbb1OQohuMQ

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> oh lol

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I just watched a Brax video and apparently the EU is going to force a "EU" root certificate in everyone throat.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> I need to pee pee brb

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> I know france is doing something with browsers

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Eu will force a root certificate and will make it illegal for browser to blacklist it

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> To make it simple, they are crying because all traffic is https and they want to see it all

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> therecord.media/eu-urged-to-drop-la…website-authentication-certificates

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Lol

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Stiff shit

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Problem is it will be in all countries

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> yep

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Lets go to an eu country to decrypt

<plowsof> 21 extra rbrunner, if the whale would like a refund please email bF xD <= referencing 21m something or other surely

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Referencing the amount of days plowsof has been volunteering

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 21m is meaniingless around here

Ah ha

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Im the whale tho 82X4L9o1DjGXuB6eGCAuW2UvG2pusRwZ754QLMqoYk1rhRBP1VUKGWtPsjhFV8ragbHG4SSe7H9srJgxzxBkoKhu8Zcw3aw

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Please refund the surplus. Thx

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Im also satoshi unless anybody wants to prove otherwise

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And yes, i shredded the wallet already. As you can imagine, i didnt want any proof to exist that i had the stolen money

<r​brunner7:monero.social> 21 is cleary 777, as much luck as you can get

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Chmod 777

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Hacker can send email to hardware⊙go😉

Real hacker can send email _from_ hardware⊙go

:D

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> And the connecting email client is a m$ machine 😳

where were the ~2600 XMR sent? to the same wallet that was drained?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> The General Monero Fund

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> The garage door is closed like ofrn said so they got to park it somewhere else 😂

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Probably a pegasus link in tx_extra

And it is confirmed to not be change?

yes, it wasn't a change

bF already moved it

But anon and no information on source?

No one claimed it yet

cool beans

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I claimed but nobody believes me

then you can just share the tx private key to prove it

then everyone can check it in "Prove sending" tab in p2pool.io/explorer/tx/d6f518d813147…a46fc93aed53af8c83baf637f62193c4f11

Note don't do that unless you have a timestamp

Did someone discuss the Moonstone "tracking" results from the fund drain?

It looked like they could make some initial educated guesses due to Monerujo Pocketchange, but not much after that - is that the gist of it?

maybe pocketchange

Sure, maybe pocketchange.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Guessitmate

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <s​ech1> then you can just share the tx private key to prove it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I just said i shredded that

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > And yes, i shredded the wallet already. As you can imagine, i didnt want any proof to exist that i had the stolen money

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ^

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Trust me

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> tm

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Recover from snapshot

<0​xfffc:matrix.org> Evidence: trust me bro

<r​anger_emdin:matrix.org> hey is this the real monero merch? moneromerch.com and if it is why isnt it on getmonero.org

The real monero merch as in?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Will the real monero please stand up

Seems to be the correct URL. 2 months ago i notified them that the ccs wallet has public private viewkeys of they ever want to prove their % donations reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1792r9…ce=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

To the old / haxd wallet (rip)

Hi guys, does anyone know more about the DAO discussion for monero? i remember reading about it a while back....any new update?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Dao?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Maybe 0xmonero

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Whats next, we unionize?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (thats my "what is the state of DAO's in Monero, as per ofrnxmr")

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hopefully that answers your question. I also hope others agree (were not looking into forming a dao)

yes a DAO, i will see if i find it...and its not really a bad thing to be honest for ensuring devs are funded

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 🚮

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> if dev want money, dev come say "i want money" dev work, dev get paid

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> what do i need an NFT for

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (a gimmick)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Need multisig, not politicians

ahh maybe it was connected to the thread by fluffy :D

What is then the consensus around "disbanding" monero Core as the post talks about?

That was a bit rushed by fp imo. I think the sentiment of core being more irrelevant is good, but it's not completely realistic to decentralize certain things

Although that's partially orthogonal I guess to the workgroup question.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Funds were returned…maybe…not sure. Return to your normal viewing pleasure