<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> Join us TMR at 11AM-EDT/5PM-CET to talk about Monero Nodo progress with Abdullah! and more @: monero.town/post/1345966

what do i reply to this lol

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> replay

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> " #FE "

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> reply

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> " #FE "

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> or "thats nice"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Selsta - dont reply :P

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Watch this little magic trick lolol

<0​xfffc:matrix.org> I labeled it wontfix

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> +1

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Close

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If they want to debate, they can dm me or something

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> put your contact details there

The supply is now capped at infinity and will half every 4 years, thank you the suggestion, closing as completed

yewtu.be/watch?v=sRwSqM0YBto maybe they want a video

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Done

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Also, have they never heard of WOWNEROOO

<0​xfffc:matrix.org> I think I should close that issue and no further comments.

<s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> don't we already have a capped supply github.com/monero-project/monero/bl…/master/src/cryptonote_config.h#L54 ?

<s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> will be reached in ~10¹⁴ years if my math isn't too far off

It's already reached

Wait, no

It will be reached summer 2024

o_O

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i hear a new version of feather has been released 👀

(c)(tm)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> how do i pronounce guix? cus i did a guix for feather yesterday, its like gitian for monero but it worked first time

<t​obtoht:monero.social> geeks

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> so not goo-eee-EX , ok lol

I like gwiks

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Monero GUI is Monero Goo-EEE right???

that's how I say it

<t​obtoht:monero.social> yes haha

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> loll

fucking terrible name btw most people don't know what the fuck a GUI is

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Should name it "wallet of vitalik"

won't matter when we finally make feather the official =P

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> is it meeting time? monero-project/meta #934#issuecomment-1847323570 part 3

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> greetings!

<t​obtoht:monero.social> hi

hey dude

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Please apply to the MAGIC Monero Fund to get funding for your projects to improve Monero: monerofund.org/apply . We're lonely over here 🥲

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Hello

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> right, this was kind of impromptu .. with luigis proposal only a few days ago to temporarily kick start the CCS

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> monero-project/meta #935#issuecomment-1841052378

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> what do we think about it? can feather wallet be used for offline transactions?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> We dont know what is used for GF

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Who cares

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yolo, lets get merging..

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> hi

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> afaik we don't know "how" it got hacked

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> GF2 balance is somewhere around 11k xmr now , im not sure exactly but its not far off

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> on a cake wallet somewhere, maybe (im joking. Bf isnt crazy)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we don't know how it got hacked, but i know that the only machine/wallet that didnt get hacked was luigis windows one, that only he had access to

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Luigi is very helpful, but I naturally wouldn't put him back into escrow position

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> But who else?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Voldemort

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Just say "luigi has the money" and not worry about who actually does

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Let the hacker go hack the decoy wallet

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> That isn't a bit odd that no one knows?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Most people still have no idea how general fund is managed

If I were soley in charge of that much money I wouldn't want to dfescribe how I stored it either

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Transparency is nice, when it can be secure

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> luigis proposal only has support (with some suggestions for tweaks) so its time to get merging after luigi1111 creates an offline wallet. will featherwallet version 2.6.0 help him with offline tx's?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Can make merge queue now

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> when tobtoht closes his eyes he see's QR codes (so many hours he's been starring at them)

<t​obtoht:monero.social> yes, so new Feather Wallet release is out: monero.town/post/1349592

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Why feather wallet?

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Why feather wallet? (instead of gui or cli)

<t​obtoht:monero.social> airgapped signing with animated QR code, generate additional seed entropy from dice rolls, plugin system, receive tab improvements and fixes

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Ah ok, I didn't see this

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Community news!

Imo it will but as much as I love tobt he's basically the sole dev on feather so like, would be good to have more eyes on the project in general if we're going to be using it like this

<t​obtoht:monero.social> can't disagree with that

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> That is what I think. Also, "official" monero fund, not using "official" monero wallet. Feather wallet is still really cool

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> make a few more aliases for decentralisation

r​ecanman I can think of a fix for that :D

new official wallet wet

wen*

Would like to raise the complaint that thotbot got angry at me in private because of a picture I posted here yesterday: <dsc_> i.imgur.com/eocCabq.png here is a pic of feather running on a $15 computer

He does not like me mentioning Feather, even though it is indeed running Feather on a 15$ SBC - as it may confuse people in thinking this project is related to Feather desktop.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Why feather?

I think thotbot needs to check his ego, it is FOSS software, I forked the project (that I once started may I remind him) and made it run on a low-powered device, and already made it clear 1 week ago I would not release under that name.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> luigis plan is to be the sole escrow holder of ccs funds for 3~ months

Publicly stating this so people know he takes himself too serious.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> feather will support multisig UI/UX first

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> tobtoht: how are you generating + adding entropy from dice rolls? some library or did you write this?

<t​obtoht:monero.social> i wrote this

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> see you in intellectual property court dsc_ !

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> What if he get hit by an Airbus?

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> could i get a link to the file?

<t​obtoht:monero.social> yes, one sec

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <d​sc_> Publicly stating this so people know he takes himself too serious.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Tobtoht needs a snickers

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> been a long months

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Feather desktop is a work in progress thing from dsc_ (is this the bespoke OS/thing to run on a specific hardware?)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Whether peoplenare confused or not.. we arent big enough to care. All newcomers are welcome

If we're doing this then I will say that I saw when dsc_ posted that picture and him saying this was feather running actually confused me because... what

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Just call it "wallet of satoshi v2"

plowsof: I forked it and replaced the GUI code with something that would work for a touchscreen

I don't know, this shit seems dumb, I've only ever seen tob be super chill, and what you are doing rn dsc does not seem chill

<t​obtoht:monero.social> hinto: github.com/feather-wallet/feather/b…/src/dialog/SeedDiceDialog.cpp#L105

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Lyza, dsc and tobby have a personal relationship

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> sounds awesome dsc_

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So its "deeper" than that

that's what I'm saying, it seems likle they have personal disagreements that aren't really relevant here

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Basically, we shouldnt get in the middle of this brotherly spat

so Idk why dsc is bringing it up like it matters

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> can we fund a ccs to force teamwork?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> We love both of you

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Slap slap

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Dont worry.

Lyza: I'm bringing it up because I feel wrongfully accused of doing something wrong

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> dsc is the original creator of the featherwallet

maybe dsc would feel better if we used wowlet?

Tob is doing great work on feather, that is out of the question

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Anyway

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - new feather released 🥳

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - dsc forked feather and changrd ui for $15 sbc support 🥳

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - cake / monerocom polyseed support 🥳

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - mysu polyseed support 🥳

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> > dsc is the original creator of the featherwallet

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Good to know

<t​obtoht:monero.social> we co-created

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> If the license was fine and tobtoht forked it, then I do not see a problem

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Oh

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> procreated

There's a joke there somewhere

<dsc_> you were "accused" in private from what you said, why make it publioc in a damn meeting

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "I CARRIED IT FOR 9 MONTHS!"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "YA, BUT ITS MY SPERM, AND I NOURISHED YOU"

to let people know he is a over-protective drama queen and needs his ego checked

I just don't see the issue

you are the one starting drama though, how do you not see that

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> This years monerokon will be WILD

whole meeting has been derailed over your personal grievance

so you can "ego check" somebody, get real my dude\

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> dsc Vs tobby

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ofrnalts vs geonic

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> pP vs their ceo as a special attraction

Can we discuss what OS should be used instead. Everyone has a different idea

yes thank you luigi

<t​obtoht:monero.social> just go with debian

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Luigi

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> is there a write up somewhere of Feather desktop(c)(tm)s features/goals?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hyc and others told you on the thread

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> OS for new CCS?

Debian / Ubuntu is my vote, good mix of security and widespread use and supported by Monero

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> not qubes

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> use debian or bsd

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> OS for the offline laptop

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Dont use ububtu.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> what does hintos guide suggest (luigi1111 do yo ufeel confident enough to attack the laptop with a screwdriver to remove the wifi chip?)

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> If you use ubuntu I will laugh

we do the official builds on Ubuntu

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> crazy talk

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Don't

so using Ubuntu in some way minimizes attack surface

building and running on same OS

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Lyza, we do them on 18.04

fair point

maybe we should move up

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> parabola.nu with openrc

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Probably should switch to debian for our builds

<c​howbungaman:matrix.org> Jump on folks! 11am est live. We got Abdullah giving us the update on MoneroNodo.com reporting From China where he traveled to finalize Nodo production! As always all are welcome to jump on stage to give us your weekly Monero takes:

<c​howbungaman:matrix.org> x.com/monerotopia/status/1733199082…97112?s=46&t=WeY1AyuT6Ir1FNBKKq_Beg

switching to debian seems more work but Idk that's above my paygrade so to speak

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> If migrating commands are an issue, it is pretty simple

Someone suggested Debian minimal I think

Debian Minimal ships with no GUI but yeah

Oh great

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> For the offline laptop, you need to use an operating system with very low attack surface:

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Alpine linux with hardened kernel or parabola gnu/linux-libre with openrc

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ok, luigi this is cringe

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Please stop lol. Ill ask plowsof, hyc or similar to send instructions

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> You'll need to go through a specific process for kernel hardening

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> This has some good stuff, but there should be more: madaidans-insecurities.github.io/guides/linux-hardening.html

Lel they all have different ideas

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> hand holding out in public lol 🥶

Y'all it's an offline machine, the protection is the encryption, you can't count on it to be actually secure from a local attacker if running

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its not rocket science

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> full disk encryption ye,, and its never going to be updated so it doesnt matter

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> and its not a billion dollars

Then why are the talk

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But everyday we DONT merge, the balance will be higher

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> You should use libreboot and anti-tampering measures in order to minimize physical attack surface

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> libreboot will allow for encrypted /boot and grub password

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> 5$ wrench , anyway

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> minimal de.. deihen? +1 great idea

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> $5 wrenches dont work on decoys

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> You can use multiple luks keyslots

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> tobtoht: (kinda offtopic at this point lol) the mapping of dice rolls <-> entropy is each die number concatted as a string, e.g `1626`, then system entropy appended on-top of that?

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> You could also use dm-crypt directly, but that is harder

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we need luigi1111 to try out the setup first, if its viable as is written in the proposal, then go ahead with it + debian minimal , sane

<t​obtoht:monero.social> hinto: yes, with a space in between rolls, and then ran through pbkdf2

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> im crying. 29more mins ofrn, just 29 more mins

Ok next topic

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Just do it

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ok

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> full-disk-encryption is useless without /boot encrypted IMO

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> There should be a separate discussion on this

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> community highlights.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> i mentioned during the noise but polyseed wallet support has been rolled out be a few wallets and we have good support now

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Any good explanation of polyseed?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Feather first

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> anonero

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> cake / monerocom

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> mysu

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> github.com/tevador/polyseed

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Has a good explanation in readme

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Did you reply to yourself 👀

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I did

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> "Due dilligence"

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> if/when luigis new wallet/setup is finished, the CCS will have a working wallet, and need things on the funding required page

one thing I've been wondering about the recent donation, is if Moonstone Research or anyone would be interested in doing some research into it. There's a non-zero chance it could be connected to the transactions that have been pointed out by Moonstone's research on the hack

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> that was fast

<t​obtoht:monero.social> if you need a device that can authenticate itself to the user: osresearch.net I think this is overkill if luigi only custodies the funds for the next ~3 months

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Looked it up right after asking

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Was first result

<t​obtoht:monero.social> debian + disk encryption + transfer over official binaries

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> For that, they need to be in a merge queue

+1 tobtoht

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> #1 the PG

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ajs_ is perhaps going to wait a bit to see how the first initial proposals are put forward / funded

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Generalfund can cover them this time

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Has to include /boot or useless

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Align payload to a number and use separate device for storing LUKS header

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Then create another one with decoy

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> using my jet fund

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> No systemd

<a​js_:matrix.org> hey chowbungaman bumping monerokon funding campaign would be much appreciated funding.monerokon.com

<r​ucknium:monero.social> L​yza: Moonstone Research is already aware of the big donation. SGP runs Moonstone.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> so other than monerokon funding proposal, the rest can be dealt with immediately ish

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> selsta

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> jeffro

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Dangerous freedom

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Go to funding, funded from GF

copy that rucknium

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> more likely merged onto the ccs and will be funded too quickly before GF can make a donation .. oops :P :P

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Also erc for PG

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And plowsof. These people never stopped working

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> (erc may have downed tools during the social experiment)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I really feel like FCMP is core r&d and shouldn't have the 8 week limit

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Agreed

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I also feel like its the exact tye of work that generalfund should be interested in

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the luigi temp solution limit of 3 months~?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Backwards. Youd think general fund was there to MAKE SURE we fould complete essential work

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> but 1. Instead of donating, core gave conditions that can lead to ubderfunding

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So, what is general fund for? Million dollars needed for "hosting"?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ~2m

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Should be 8 week, and we'll cover the shortfall

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i'd say the proposal in need of community feedback/votes would be hintos repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/422 , the rest have been discussed at length in meetings afaict

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So before discussing

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> lets confirm the others quickly

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> and recanman shared an update on his own proposal :) (an example of the community re purposing funds) .... and so to will the Core monero concepts animated videos - to be put forward for 1 XMR of funding after absorbing the savandras proposal funds

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> a. [Add retroactive funding proposal for FCMPs](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/403)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> merge

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> b. [dangerousfreedom - wallet work](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/409)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> merge

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> c. [Core Monero Concepts](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/412)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> do we need an update from the team as to where they're at?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> xenu and vostoemisio

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I think it is going well

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I don't see a need for an update

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> PG > full ccs funded out of jet fund

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - selsts

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - jeffro

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - erc* (maybe regular)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - plowsof

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - dangerousfreedom

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - bp++ update

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> regular ccs merge:

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - kaya

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - v1d

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - Observer

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> close

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - Self hosted

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> - form nonorofit monerokon

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> discuss the rest

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> looks sane

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> pasting links for logs

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> d. [escapethe3RA Monero Observer maintenance (2023 Q4)](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/414)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> merge

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> e. [[External] Form Nonprofit Assocation for MoneroKon](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/415)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ajs_ marked this as not ready for merge anyway as they wanna see how things turn out for the first proposal

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> and would require changes to the ccs backend (if external is required)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> f. [erc: ccs for getmonero and weblate](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/416)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Merge

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I think there was an issue with this

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> there is some back story to moneroguides downvote on this proposal, who had some redesign / shuffling choices for getmonero that he felt was ignored

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I forgot

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Erc isnt a 1 man horse

<r​ucknium:monero.social> I forgot to say that you can submit yourself as MAGIC Monero Fund committee member or as a voter for the committee: github.com/MAGICGrants/Monero-Fund-Elections . Nominations close on December 31st.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> erc has my +1 for merge

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hinto, plowsof and hardenedsteel help out over there. But could use more eyes

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Over there = monero-site

<r​ucknium:monero.social> You don't have to KYC to be a candidate for the committee nor a voter.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> s/eyes/hands and eyes

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> g. [Monero Selfhosted View-only Web Wallet (with received transaction Telegram/Email/SMS/Discord/Webhook alerts)](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/417)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> lol^

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> That is just to receive compensation I think

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Close

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Close

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> That is just to receive compensation I think (MAGIC monero fund committee)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> moving through them quickly, if anyone wants to vote on an earlier one, please do so

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> h. [CCS Coordinator](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/418)

<t​obtoht:monero.social> merge

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Merge

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Merge

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thnx ❤️

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i. [v1docq47 - monerotopia 2023 (part 2) and monerokon 2023 voiceovers and working on xmr.ru](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/420)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Merge

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> merge

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> merge, long history , and quick funding

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> j. [jeffro256 full-time dev 2023Q4](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/421)

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> merge

<t​obtoht:monero.social> merge

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Merge

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> merge

<r​ucknium:monero.social> merge

<a​js_:matrix.org> merge

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> k. [hinto-janai - full-time work on Cuprate (3 months)](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/422)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> needs discussion

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> which will be possible now that the ccs has survived , between now and the next meeting(s)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I think we need -dev to comment (unbiased)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> on the hour

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> l. [selsta part-time monero development (3 months)](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/423)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cuprate docs alone are worth money

<t​obtoht:monero.social> merge

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> merge selsta

<r​ucknium:monero.social> merge

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Merge

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> merge

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> +1

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> boog900: wink wink

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> so we need to somehow get the cuprate proposal to benefit monero core and/or seraphis to make it more appealing

<a​js_:matrix.org> it would spread limited resources unnecessarily

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> During reimplementations of pruning, cuprate found and documented a bug

<b​oog900:monero.social> it's not really a bug more of a typo ...

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> one thing is like to ensure with funding cuprate, is that issues and fixes are relayed to minero-project

<a​js_:matrix.org> indefinite long term maintenance

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> What if they were able to do seraphis before us?

<a​js_:matrix.org> merge for selsta

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i think i can say thanks to all for attending the meeting here

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> and continue discussions

Dankon everyone for the good meeting.

<b​oog900:monero.social> I do understand this and my next proposal will be to work on Cuprates p2p code and document Moneros p2p protocol but with a database im unsure what we can document ... synthetic has already documented monerods schema

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> msvb-lab do events have a meeting today?

Yes, in one hour on #monero-events.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> uh we forgot the biggest news

Our new moderator Comradeblin is going to run the meeting.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> We had a small donation to generalfund

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> oh thanks msvb-lab comradeblin

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Lol

a small donation hm let me check

21 hours ago it received 💝 +0.00001 #xmr 💝 $0.00 🐋 🚨

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> (my matrix screen filled with hearts because of that)

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Moonstone/sgp is trying for something?

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Mine did as well

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> XD

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 💝 +2696.73 #xmr 💝 $464889.28 😉

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> - 💝 +2696.73 #xmr 💝 $464889.28 😉 [nitter](nitter.net/WatchFund/status/1732391070216908886) / [X](twitter.com/WatchFund/status/1732391070216908886)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> so many hearts

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> not again

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> #wereback

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> this is an attack on slow machines lol

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> laptop crashing

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> haha

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Why are you running something as heavy as element on a slow machine?

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Use a simpler one

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Good meeting.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> thanks everyone

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Goodbye, thank you

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> missed an events summary from msvb-lab but i assume this will happen at the events meeting

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Pretty much just looking at forming association and getting ready to sell tickets

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i think we can pencil a meeting in 2 weeks (23rd?)

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> The channel right now has a summary of TODOs

It's fine plowsof, as I only wanted to give the events summary after you added the request in the agenda.

ah ok

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> dsc_ dare i ask for a roadmap of feather desktop?

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> boog900: re: db documentation - the code/design itself

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> try replacing any subsystem in `monerod` - "just read all the code"

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> i'll be making this thing such that i can die in 3 months and someone can come along and read easy english on how to pickup exactly where i left off

<b​oog900:monero.social> yes but my point was that there isn't a lot we can do to benefit monero core right now so although we can (and will) document how Cuprate is doing things, which when Cuprate is up and running will help maintainers we can't really document how monerod is doing the database without going out our way to do more work which will `spread limited resources unnecessarily`.

<b​oog900:monero.social> With the p2p and consensus code I already have to look at how monerod is doing things.

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> ah yeah, the guy who wanted me to redesign the entire website and that disappeared when i asked them to provide more details. A solid contributor whose opinion is very important, clearly.

<e​rc:cryptoriot.org> monero-project/monero-site #1900

<b​oog900:monero.social> IMO cuprate will help (and already has helped) core-monero anyway so it shouldn't matter that this proposal doesn't have a direct benefit, it allows more work which will have a direct benefit

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> plowsof: sorry i dint reply. Yes meetinf in 15mins

<c​omradeblin:matrix.org> Meeting*

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> maybe someday cuprate will stop being... "the alternative", so it's a (in hindsight) direct benefit :)

<h​into.janaiyo:matrix.org> i worry for the future poor soul who will read my code not knowing what the hell is going on

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> dsc_ dare i ask for a roadmap of feather desktop? <== The device doesnt have a name yet. Ill post a devlog on monero.town, to follow progress for those interested

<b​oog900:monero.social> We will have docs so it should be easier to understand than monerod :)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Boog, are you guys doing seraphis in parallel

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Or rather, would it be a good idea to?

<s​gp:magicgrants.org> Hey everyone, PLEASE do this! Thank you!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "cuprate releases the First testnet daemon for seraphis"

<b​oog900:monero.social> AFAIK some important things are still in discussion? so I would say now is not the right time for us to start this, monero-serai would need to be updated first

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Seraphis, i think, should be your focus (unless were _not_ doing seraphis, it doesnt make sense to implement an EOL protocol)

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Good point

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> and as far as in discussion - this is your chance to help decide how things are going to be implemented, and to do it first

<r​ucknium:monero.social> cuprate has to implement all the EOL protocols because it has to sync from genesis.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Most of Seraphis code work is in the wallet, not the daemon AFAIK.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But who's working on thr daemon..

no daemon left behind

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And yeah, i dont mean "you can skip the whole blockchain and just do seraphis" i obviously meant "dont recreate stuff we arent going to be using down the road"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Like, if wallet 3 is replacing wallet 2, dont bother rewriting wallet 2. Just go straight to wallet 3

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I'll send a voter application, as I cannot commit to being a committee member this year.

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I'm unable to access the questions because it is on google forms (seriously?)

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Could someone send a screenshot of them? Thanks

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I'll send a voter application, as I cannot commit to being a committee member this year.

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I'm unable to access the questions because they are on google forms (seriously?)

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Could someone send a screenshot of them? Thanks

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Google forms is not my fault. The committee doesn't run its own elections to avoid conflicts of interest 😅 . (I knew you weren't blaming me, recanman.)

<r​ucknium:monero.social> The committee uses Cryptpad internally

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Good to know. Who runs the elections?

<r​ucknium:monero.social> sgp is one of the people who runs the election. It's the board:

<r​ucknium:monero.social> magicgrants.org/about

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Oh, great. Thanks

<b​oog900:monero.social> > Like, if wallet 3 is replacing wallet 2, dont bother rewriting wallet 2. Just go straight to wallet 3

<b​oog900:monero.social> Daemon code and wallet code is different the code I write to handle txs now will still be used to handle old txs after the Seraphis hf and it may still be needed if we need to do

<b​oog900:monero.social> "transition" txs to turn "old" outputs into seraphis ones

<b​oog900:monero.social> > and as far as in discussion - this is your chance to help decide how things are going to be implemented, and to do it first

<b​oog900:monero.social> I think that would be too much for me at the moment

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I would still like a screenshot/copypaste of the questions if I was unclear. Thanks

<d​adajo:monero.social> Me too!

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