<x​mrscott:monero.social> Update on the MoneroSocial and Matrixorg crosstalk issues: Matrixorg networking infrastructure is intermittently blocking traffic outbound from MoneroSocial. A solution is now being obtained from other homeservers that have had this issue with Matrixorg to put into place for MoneroSocial

midipoet: The roadmap has an achievements tab for past achievements, we can add them there

thanks for the update xmrscott

a community meeting tomorrow monero-project/meta #984 hopefully matrix bridge issues dont cause too much of a problem

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> fwd: a community meeting tomorrow monero-project/meta #984 hopefully matrix bridge issues dont cause too much of a problem . ccs.getmonero.org/ideas

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> So it is better to participate from IRC?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> replying from matrix dot org, will get to irc instantly via m-relay. if you want to see replies you have to check irc (or libera.monerologs.net)

Probably soon you will have to sacrificy a chicken or so for the honor to read all Matrix messages. Modern times.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> I will have both accounts open

plowsof: the issue isn't the bridge with matrix but communication between matrix.org and other matrix servers

but you know this

note to self, don't post b4 tea

True nioCat, not the bridge. Could also be matrix dot org + cloudflares firewall (pigeons is looking into that)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Delivery for Cypher Stack's active proposal: github.com/cypherstack/bppp-review/releases/tag/final

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> And a new proposal opened: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/441

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> “Before it can be seriously considered however, it would be wise for the protocol to undergo review” 🤔

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Everyone in the MRL meeting agreed with this statement.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> As it stands Seraphis is brand new with no vetting.

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Why did were so many ccs done for seraphis if it was till under consideration 😂

Anyone elses brain hurt after reading dave.jp

can someone explain to me what the review is? Is it essentially a maths review done by peers, or something else (apologies for noob question).

a review of the seraphis paper is the start

so checking for logical/notation errors in the paper?

note in-progress draft. and search for "todo" in the Seraphis paper. and in the implementation paper.

<a​ck-j:matrix.org> dave.jp: its an R&D project. If the protocol isn’t proven to be sound it won’t be implemented into a multi-billion dollar network. Simple as that

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Why did we put resources on implementation of something which isn’t even sound on paper ?

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> "Why do we spend money on curing illnesses that we can't cure yet"

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> To cure them in the future

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> You don’t put manufacturing supply before it’s tested

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Sometimes through engineering effort we find out something isn't tenable. Sometimes through research effort we find out something isn't tenable.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> In this particular case, the engineering resources were available before the research ones.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I agree some of this research should have been done first, but the engineering effort wasn't a waste.

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> You mean Sarang wasn’t available, there are no other cryptographers out there ?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The community could have indeed got another cryptographer to do a review.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Cryptographers are a very limited ressource

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I know, I'm trying to become one and its very gosh it is hard

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> This is true.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I know, I'm trying to become one and gosh it is hard

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> This last minute “consideration” sounds like triptych

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> As far as CS goes, people wanted that BP++ review done first. Took us a couple of months but just delivered today.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> There's nothing last minute about this. Seraphis isn't even close to going in.

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> So if seraphis fails the review, we go with only fcmp ? Is that a possibility

<a​lexanarcho:matrix.org> Mega nice!