plowman fully funded !!! ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/plowsof-ccs-coordinator-4.html

sloth is faster than bot

CCS Coordinator is now fully funded! ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/plowsof-ccs-coordinator-4.html @luigi1111

<s​gp_:monero.social> Nice

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Back to work plowsof

issues are enabled now syntheticbird

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Can someone remove the troll accounts in ccs. Its a shit show. If you have an issue with ofrn css or any grow some ballz and not hide like weaklings

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Can someone upvote ofrn ccs post for me?

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> are older CCS proposals expected to ever be cleaned up?

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> the ones listed as work in progress, i mean.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Can someone upvote ofrn ccs post for me?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Or move the CCS git on a non hostile provider

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Plowsof job

<3​21bob321:monero.social> There is a focalboard with the status of the wip projects

<s​gp_:monero.social> SyntheticBird: thank you for

<s​gp_:monero.social> SyntheticBird: thank you for carrying the conversation of setting some community politeness guidelines in a way that I was unsuccessful in getting set up. Thank you luigi for being open to setting some standards. It really means a lot to me

<3​21bob321:monero.social> It was pre setup. I wasnt born the last rain shower

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> @ofrnxmr You make no sense. If whoever disagrees with you deserves a ban, Monero will turn authoritarian. My name states what I want as the result of this CCS drama. I have already exposed your true intentions, and instead of addressing them you choose to slander me. I have noticed that you label anyone who disagrees with you a slur word, undercover agent, or some other nonsense. <clipped mes

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Grow a pair and thank you for proving why I need an alt account. I feel sorry for sgp, xmrscott and luigi who have to deal with your harassment

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> How well would anti surveillance/anti face recognitoon clothing from aliexpress work because they seem pretty affordable like $15-20 AUD

<s​hkeezy:matrix.org> just wear a ski mask and sunglasses

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> It depend of the type

<s​hkeezy:matrix.org> can you show some

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Some ai use a set of specific pattern many many time in different orientation and size all over the image to recognize the specific face. I know it's how opencv work and there a lot of cloths and face tattoes that totally defeat it

<3​21bob321:monero.social> So mods can you do YOUR FUCKEN JOB.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Bunch of soft cocks

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> But what work on a specific "ai" might not work on another one

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> I don't think sunglasses are enough

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Honestly wearing this type of clothing will only increase attention from law enforcement. Hiding in plain sight is better

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> aliexpress.com/item/100500548488077…erSeller%7Cquery_from%3A#nav-review aliexpress.com/item/100500673995263…erSeller%7Cquery_from%3A#nav-review aliexpress.com/item/100500617122708…erSeller%7Cquery_from%3A#nav-review<clipped message>

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> aliexpress.com/item/100500331191375…lTopMoreOtherSeller%7Cquery_from%3A aliexpress.com/item/100500521250113…erSeller%7Cquery_from%3A#nav-review

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Whoops didn't realise the output would look like that...

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Jesus Christ...

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Sorry about that

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> An anti opencv shirt will make the ai think you have ton and ton of faces instead of a shirt

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> What stops governments from flagging people who have an anti opencv shirt and then targeting them?

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> surgical mask is also nice, and generally more socially acceptable than ski mask

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> but maybe let's move to #monero-offtopic:monero.social

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Anyone know the best way to buy xmr in Australia??

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Localmonero

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> That is a pain in the arse though :/

Surgical masks don't work

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Do you have access to an exchange?

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Do I have to buy like paypal or some other currency and then pay them with that rather then just a debit card transaction... No one seems to accept credit card transactions it seems they only accept like revolut, paypal, payid and weird forms of payment rather then a direct just credit card transaction...

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> CEX

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> You can buy a coin with cheap fees and then swap from that coin to XMR

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> CEX -> coin with cheap fees -> off chain -> XMR

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Swap at changenow?

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Wait a second. What amounts are you buying?

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> For these purposes is using electrom fine?

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> At any time like only 100 AUD worth of XMR

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> I don't need a tonne bro

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> Haveno is expected to launch soon, fwiw.

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Hmm??

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Whats that??

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> For these purposes is using electrum fine?

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> haveno.exchange

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Localmonero but DEX

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> DEX?

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> I'm not great with acryonyms lol

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Decentralized Exchange

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Soz

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Nothing :)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Also they are likely to use thing better then opencv, they have money to hire brains to make more reliable ai

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Ah

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Nothing :)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Also they are likely to use thing better then opencv, they have money to hire brains to make more reliable ai.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> But most cheap anti ai merch probably only effective again opencv.

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> In your case you can do this:

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Buy LTC on CEX -> Transfer to MajesticBank (0.5% fee) -> Swap for XMR

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Hmm

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Cheers bro

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Only problem then will be my banks if they are hostile to these different crypto exchanges... 🤔

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> I know commonwealth bank flip flops like no tomorrow they are 1 second very pro cryptocurrency and the next second basically ban you from buying any or selling any from any exchange they know about...

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Localmonero supports directly transferring funds from your bank to a user for P2P swaps

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> You said you want credit card however and CEX would be best for this

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> I guess I could always try at a later date to set up an account with these folks and see what happens...

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> For the amounts you're talking about I don't think any bank will care

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Seems CEX only accept USD

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Hmm yeah I hope not

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> I just want to purchase like burner numbers for signing up for normie social medias anonymously and VPN subscriptions and stuff is what I want my monero for

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> You can just say you're investing in meme coins or something else that normies do with "crypto"

<p​awism:techsaviours.org> Ah ok good point lol

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> Thank you Luigi

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> Youre so helpful!

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> Imagine being so humble as to thank yourself

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Looks like the spam is back

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> 4.5k pending transactions in the mempool

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> And most are 1/2 in/out

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Yeah, since 1 UTC

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Graph is in #monero

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> If all goes well then GBPs with FCMP should resolved this issue within a year hopefully

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> If all goes well then GBPs with FCMP should resolve this issue within a year hopefully

<a​remor:matrix.org> Who merged it?

<a​remor:matrix.org> If the majority of people are wearing them

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> github.com/monero-project/monero-community-guideline

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> fuck off

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> What's wrong?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> we dont need this crap

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> I think we do. ofrnxmr has proven that we need some sort of rules in place for what the expected behavior should be in this community

monerobull: how do you stop channels descending into insults, slurs, and inflammatory language?

or do you not care when that happens?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> exactly, this entire "drama" only exists because a few people are uncomfortable with ofrn pointing out issues in a harsh way

monerobull: do you honestly believe that is all he does?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> guy isnt even following his own rules

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> fuck that

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Completely incorrect. This "drama" is happening because:

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> 1) ofrnxmr is a liar. He has overstated his position in contributing to Haveno and other Monero projects.

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> 2) Immature and offensive. I don't mind the occasional swears here and there but ofrnxmr constantly goes off on rants equivalent to spam in the Matrix channels. None of this is productive and if another user does this, they would be banned immediately.

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> 3) ofrnxmr's CCS proposal is ridiculous with no proof of future work.

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> No one minds ofrnxmr getting donations or contributing the project. What we do mind however is his constant harassment of people and a CCS proposal that shouldn't be merged unless it's improved upon. These community guidelines ensure that this "drama" does not happen again. Rules are not necessary bad. Free markets operate under rules and so can Monero social channels

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i think insults are unnecessary but so is this shitty CoC

so how do you stop someone insulting people?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ofrn should tone it down a bit, sure

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but some of the shit thats going on here 100% deserves his toxicity

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Can you please explain what "shit" exactly?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> for example how movie ccs & msvb get a pass but then the same people go and try to block kayabas ccs+

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> for example how movie ccs & msvb get a pass but then the same people go and try to block kayabas ccs

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> I do agree some of that is ridiculous too but it does not warrant the ofrn's behavior

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> I do agree some of that is ridiculous too but it does not warrant ofrn's behavior

It's completely ok to disagree with people, including how they act, vote, or even who they support/don't support in discussions and debates, whether technical, ideological, or with regards to funding and governance. What isn't ok, is persistent inflammatory and derogatory language, specifically designed to insult people.

<d​ayssincelastdrama:matrix.org> dayssincelastdramainmonerocommunitygrouponmatrixorirc.xyz

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Even if you disagree with this CoC project. Could you at least report in the issue section what happened with CCS. This repo will not only cover moderation but CCS rules as well

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> LMFAO

monerobull: you have said ofrnxmr should tone done a bit. How do we ensure that happens? He has been asked numerous times, but we keep going around in circles. The only way to avoid subjective banning (a criticism of previous moderation) is to have a clear guide as to what is, and what is not, acceptable.

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> having a big community also have downsides unfortunetly

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I think we've been going in circles because ofrnxmr simply disagree with mods point of view and generally people's opinions on insults and harsh language.

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Why was this repo instantly merged into the main monero project on GitHub?

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> There are mistakes in the CoC. I actually had to reread it and I don't agree with it now

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> "No insulsts"

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I simply opened the repo and luigi said he prefered it to be under monero-project since its going to proposed to the project in the long-term

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah I know sorry for the typo I'll correct them later. I opened the repo at like 3 am

Because everyone is tired of the circles. We need something to resolve the issue. This is the only solution proposed so far.

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> The idea is good, but I hope it won't turn into a dictatorship.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> tbc while I wish this to succeed. I can't do that alone and I need other people POV and help at writing parts of this guideline. Discussion is already a lot

as long as the moderators follow the community dirven guidelines, it should be ok.

OR we just have a free for all, and everything is allowed.

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> We must have community driven guidelines. Our community is not even "big" on the Matrix compared to something like Bitcoin

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> One day it will grow exponentially and we need rules in place for when that time comes

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Like I said before. It's not the fact that we're big, but the fact that because Monero is a private cryptocurrency, we enter the realm of privacy community, and we're more opinionated than the average human in a society.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> This is imo what drives to conflict so quickly

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> we just have to take that into consideration

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> What has driven conflict so quickly is not opinions but ridiculous behavior by a certain individual

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> anarchy baby

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> This will not work in the long term. When we have 10K members for example active in this channel, anarchy will lead to chaos. We must have rules in place

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> ofc it will not work, just joking

honestly I think it just doesn't work when the "community" is beyond a certain size

there is no bitcoin loose-knit collective for funding nearly all of bitcoin R&D and code updates and infra

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> how about you do the same that happened with @crypto's @monero on telegram? Some people didn't like being moderated and they moved to @MoneroUncensored, where the only rule is don't spam

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> beyond a certain size its no more a community but a society

and having "rules" imposed on a society doesn't seem like the right way to grow a decentralized network imo

I don't know what the alternative is here

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> I'd be happy to be in both groups, the formal one with rules, and the informal one that doesn't really care about what kind of language somebody uses.

and it is great that work like cypherstack paper gets instafunded

so maybe it's fine

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Issue are that *hardened* people will have ease in these channels were harsh languages and insults are maybe use as a joke. But other people just wishing to gather informations or discuss kindly will find themselves uncomfortable, while the opposite is completely possible.

🤷‍♀️

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> I'm 100% for freedom of speech, but also I don't really like having to read about how somebody is using a harsh language, and how badly written CoC solves word hunger and makes dreams come true

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Any channels under the Monero space ought to have rules in my opinion. There should be guidelines for how people should act and behave in a respectful manner (no trolling, excessive swearing, shilling, etc.). Anyone is welcome to create an unofficial Monero channel without rules but any related to Monero need guidelines to avoid all this nonsense

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I don't these are relatable. The monero project is already a centralization of the development force of Monero, a decentralized cryptocurrency. What I want with these "rules" are making it more welcoming for everyone

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> Then how about - don't join the unmoderated channel if you are so sensitive?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> tbh, I wouldn't have cared about all of this, but the fact is that these so called drama are tiring the dev community. and that's unacceptable from my pov. If the dev is tired of its community and if the community don't trust the project anymore. Monero is dead.

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> then let's make one not in monero space

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> ofrnxmr spamming xmrscott's DMs with threats and swears has nothing to do with sensitivity

I don't think it makes sense to have the same rules for contributing to monero daemon/wallet as there is for creating a ccs as there is for speaking in a chat

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> haha. fair argument but for me the official #monero channel actually turns into that sometimes. And I can't ignore that.

Are cuprate devs suffering because of the drama?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> This could be a proposal

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Harassment shouldn't be tolerated. Period.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no no absolutely not

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> idk, when my ex did that to me I blocked her.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Cuprate's devs are doing fine

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> We need a safe environment for developers to contribute in. This requires strict rules and guidelines

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> #monerouncensored:matrix.org how about no...

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Yeah these rules would be different.

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> it is just about having a place to chat

Your name/alts identity is based on a negative sentiment toward someone else 'keepofrnxmrbanned' lol

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> let's keep this one formal

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> and move to another one if we want to be informal

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> also talking anything in DMs to anybody shouldn't have impact on somebodys presence in a group chat

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> @plowsof I have actually changed my username on Matrix. I was just expressing my opinion as ofrn was still banned and spamming in the chat

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> First it was in this chat but after ofrn got banned he continued to harass xmrscott privately

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> @plowsof I have actually changed my username on Matrix. I was just expressing my opinion as ofrn was still unbanned and spamming in the chat

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr if you see this chat you're welcome to open an issue in the repo as well

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> matrix banned users aren't banned from the guideline repo

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> I'm getting harassed privately by scammers multiple times a day, learn to block somebody and move on

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> hate speech shouldn't be tolerated111!1111!!

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I don't see how this is related. ofrnxmr isn't a simple scammer

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Please stop this nonsense. Me expressing my opinion on current drama is not hate speech. ofrn's rants are however

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thankyouluigi is kinda funny but keepofrnxmrbanned can be interpreted as trolling imo.

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> if somebody sends you a private message, and you feel harassed, then simply... block that person.

Both sides are enjoying the lack of moderation on the ccs comments. The detractors can point to/quote instances of insults/foul language/slurs etc whilst the supporters point to it as toxicity being deserved because of other issues

lol I can't even tell if keepofrnbanned is actually in favor of keeping him banned or he is trying to be over the top and actually wants him unbanned

Jwinterm ye...

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> If you read my backlogs I haven't trolled once. I've been helping newcomers and commenting on development stuff. If usernames are going to be moderated then I don't know what to say

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof were you born this soft, or it was an acquired skill you got as you were growing up?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Asking for a friend.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thats what lies in "can be interpreted". If I was mod I wouldn't ban you for such. I would wait to see if you were actually trolling.

plowsof: i don't enjoy the language in the CCS

Newcomers to the CCS might be affronted

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thats what lies in "can be interpreted". If I was mod I wouldn't ban you for such. I would wait to see if you are actually trolling.

And wonder if they should bother writing a proposal

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> anyway - I don't care enough about the whole drama to spend more time arguing, ofrn is helpful, I like him, but I have code to write so.. it's better for somebody else to continue arguing, have fun guys

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Or if ofrnxmr felt harassed, then I would give a warning

It's a terrible look for the predominant funding platform of Monero

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> have a good day

I think for me maybe the issue is that the CCS is so closely aligned with "Monero Core" (although I don't think whatever the fuck monero core is has actually been made public), and I agree you need gatekeeping and rules for a fundraising envirmonment

Don't forget that issues with the CCS process, harassment, and incessant prodding distinctly turned researchers away from the CCS

but it's a really bad look to have the CEO of Monero telling people they're banned from raising funds cause they hurt someone's feelings in a chat

and that's what it looks like

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> freeofrn now

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> ofrn banned again? what happen this shit coin shitty gone to 0 because of this

F

jwinterm: nobody told anybody they are banned from proposing a CCS

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> .bbl dumping all my XMR for XRP

I didn't say that midipoet

I said that's what it looks like

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Behavior like this should be banned on sight. I agree with banning trolls as you mentioned @syntheticbird:monero.social in the guidelines

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> fuck off you troll. you ruin xmr bullshitter. ofrn is not liar ofrn is savior for xmr. you should get banned. fuck guideline scammer

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> see thankyouluigi. If everything was under my rules. I would simply give a warning

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> Can we get a podcast with voice actors that read messages in here?

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> another one lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lmao that would be epic

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Opened an issue related to CCS. Share your thoughts on what rules should the CCS respect: monero-project/monero-community-guideline #2

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> what the fuck this bullshit huh

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Can anyone make a post on reddit about the repo ? My account is still banned

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> Some suggestions regarding Core Crowdfunding System I think

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I need as much opinions as possible

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> thankyouluigi i know who youre identity is. why you hide behind your account sock puppet scammer

<r​brunner7:monero.social> If I was admin here I sure would shoot down any such brand-new nonsense propaganda username at sight. That truly is a new low for the discussion here.

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> erc you fucking scammer

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> stop hiding behind accounts

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and syntheticbird has literal transphobic jokes in their github and for mysterious reasons got their reddit banned :P

It would be best to lock the thread(?) after its ran its course / both sides are happy that enough feedback / points has been raised. A statement / round up of the sentiment be made (as it seems the supporters are requesting changes even)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ? didn't knew helicopter/attack could be taken so seriously

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> popaganda? im scared for xmr. we have erc with his alt here fucking lying about ofrn scammer

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> erc you scammer

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i dont but a good chunk of good devs are trans

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> come on, are we really going woke?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you cant be the one to set up a no-toxicity CoC and than have transphobic jokes in your bio

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> xmr is gone

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you cant be the one to set up a no-toxicity CoC and then have transphobic jokes in your bio

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> whatever makes you feel proud ig. And I was banned because I'm using Tor. Sorry if your deduction is wrong

you can't tell him what to do monerobull :P

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> A psychology/psychiatric hospital would have so much fun going through the backlog of this channel and the CCS repository comments of all proposals to date.

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> read ofrn twitter. all woke. CoC = cock all xmr dev like cock in there ass scammer lying faggot

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> how is thankyouluigi allowed here but ofrn banned? thankyouluigi IS FUCKING ERC cant believe here

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I guess you raise a fair point I'll remove this pronouns.

We are now in the age of - join a random community - wait 10 mins to see if theres any drama - sift through the topic at hand - learn what both sides are complaining about - create aliases to join in on both sides of the argument

I guess the biggest question is why is jwinterm not banned tbh

:0

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> charuto plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org 🎯🛠

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> #freeofrn

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Yeah I would ban also

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no effort at all from monerodeadgone

Monerodeadgone.can you stop? We know

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> plz ban thankyouluigi

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> has been sending at least 3 trolling message

<s​hkeezy:matrix.org> I did not expect this much drama in the community

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> HOW U BAN ME BUT NOT ERC ALT FUCK YOU

welcome to crypto shkeezy

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you must be new here

The loudest noise is now you, just stop

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> happened because ofrnxmr is influencial

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but controversial

<s​hkeezy:matrix.org> somewhat

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> @ofrnxmr k but why not ban thankyouluigi he is FUCKING ERC

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> we do a lil bit of drama from time to time to keep things interesting

<s​hkeezy:matrix.org> erc?

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> manipulator he manipulate votes on ccs and try to get ofrn banned forever fucker

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> A lil bit?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> that was its own drama arc

fuck, why are they doing this to ofrn?

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> ofrn criticuqe erc who was before dev of haveno. erc hate ofrn and now he make alts sock puppet to get ofrn banned

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> How dare we do this to our lord and savior support guru ofrnxmr!?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Just you see thumbs reaction don't mean there are votes in CCS.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> CCS has always been accepted by core team discretion

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Why are we being over dramatic about this. It's getting beyond ridiculous

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Proposal should be merged, insta funded and he should join core immediately thereafter. Accompanied with a community letter as an apology!

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> other notable arcs are the secretary arc, the mb vs spirobel arc, the FCMP arc, etc

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> ofrnxmr is Jesus Christ! Praise our lord!

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> fuck you. why you support erc alt

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Ok I'll stop

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> monerodeadgone go rub one off bb.

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> thankyouluigi respond to me pussy ass fucker

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> erc you pussy respond to me

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Will plowsof ever kick/ban anybody?

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> I advise muting this person. I'm having a brief read on monerologs and they are delusional

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> I'm surprised they are not banned yet

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> YOU NEED BAN ERC YOUR ALT SOCK PUPPET SCAMMER

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> secretary arc was spicy, i also want a 7k/month paycheck straight from jet-fund

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> talks like ofrnxmr

this channel is now worse than #monero

That's a new low

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Took you this long to figure that one out?

Lol

I think i was in denial

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> faggot im not ofrnxmr he is better than me he is a genius. ofrnxmr is the savior

<s​hkeezy:matrix.org> password length limits are so cringe

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> its not

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> lolllll. ofrn, you should stop it.

monerobull, you are missing important early storyline arcs like bitcoinexpress attack, risto cryptokingdom game, and fluffy marketing/trolling (and also that weird music CCS thing for half million bucks)

Project Coral Reef

yep

And anonimal thingy

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> tesla ccs

ohya good old anonimal

Though he did buy us all lunch

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> fuck you bitches

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> you vote against ofrn. he has wages to pay. cant pay minimum wage pussy?

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> fluffygate big amnoucnement

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> excatly, I want to use my 4GB keyfile and facebook login form won't let me :<

fuck we need more storyline arcs tbh

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i still have a folder with obscure monero stuff

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Are you sure? Who would act like this? I don't even see supporters on the CCS defending ofrn this much

<s​hkeezy:matrix.org> 4gb is insane

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> ERC YOU SCAMMER REPLY TO ME IN DM

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> im pretty sure its not ofrn

I remember the time we all went for Ceaser's Palace buffet and ate crab claws till we felt sick. Those were good times.

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> its him doing a dumb ESL larp

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/EYZryNabEabuoURLAyQNBZcl

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> grow up baka

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> Damn

Now, we are writing our (third or fourth?!) CoC.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> that time when fortnite accepted monero (and only monero)

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> IM NOT FUCKING OFRN

you are not?

that's disappointed

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> whatever dood

I was actually rooting for you

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> no ofrn has lot of supporter

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/CiNBeDXlBjfwoIXSMnnZJUXB

I'm one, ofc

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> hehe

*disappointing

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> I'm playing fortnite now I guess

proper cypherpunk game, respect

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Holy shit, this chat can go silent for days. What did you all throw in the coffee today?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Drama sells.

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> sad reality

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> rotten why you vote against ofrn

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> huh why you vote against him

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> i support the idea of having this chat on mute except for CCS meeting

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> thrmo simping for ofrn, I didn't have that in my bingo card.

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> I believe Fortnite said this was a "mistake" a couple days later. How odd

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> ERC YOU FUCKER

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah but still fun

I didn't realize globee went out of business

rottenwheel I'm really not, but here's where all the action is, so I might as well partake on it

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> oh no how are we going to onboard mariah carey superfans now

<s​hkeezy:matrix.org> How do you do this by mistake

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I also support the idea

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Let's mute this channel until next meeting saturday

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> It was a while back but I remember Fortnite mentioned that a third party added the Monero payment method by accident. It's a weird story

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Not sure how you add a whole payment system, Monero specifically, on accident

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> honestly I'm leaving this room, I'll join back on saturday, don't have time for people arguing over nonsense.

I think they were using some third party provider like nowpayments or something and they enabled it or something

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> ❄️

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> jwinterm how many likes and something and I guess you say per day?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> 😂

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> fuck you pussy

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> I'm being bombarded with private messages from this troll harassing me. @plowsof:libera.chat can you issue a ban please?

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> bitch fucker

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I think plowsof is away

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> erc you slimy slimy scammer. you got kicked out for reason get the fuck out of here go work on firo bitch ass

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> let monerodeadgone go crazy in the chat. That will be easier to screenshot

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> How unfortunate

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> fuck you

<s​hkeezy:matrix.org> can you insult more creatively

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> fuck you sgp BITCH

<s​hkeezy:matrix.org> sgp?

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> sgp_: pussy why you using an alt fucker

This shouldn't have been merged without some discussion -> github.com/monero-project/monero-community-guideline

I think it should be reverted, or hosted on a separate repo

<s​hkeezy:matrix.org> do the members of the monero community that don't like each other often see each other at events?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I would prefer like that but would you mind telling why ?

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> I personally think it should be done in a separate repo. Once the guidelines are in order (correct spelling and a more accurate description of rules) we can merge it into the main repo

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I would prefer like it isbut would you mind telling why ?

I agree with dEBRUYNE, it is pretty poorly written, and it seems like there is no "pseudo-consensus" or whatever other bs buzzwords were mentioned in the poorly written document itself before it was created

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I understand the idea that whatever is under monero-project organization is part of the monero project. But if the readme state is under work and will be proposed. It isn't carved into rock here. It can even fail. Luigi reasoning was that if it concerns the monero-project then it should be under monero-project orga

I saw the repo, but I just now realized it is hosted on the "official" repositories

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> It's a rough sketch you wrote at 3am. Kayaba made a gist for FCMP for example and it wasn't merged into the Monero repo. Neither should this until it's fully fleshed out

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Tbc, there is nothing yet. And I asked yesterday if people were against, no one told me they weren't. Some said they were interested. I took the opportunity to open it.

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> how isnt this community more angry about ofrn

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> these shitty mods banned ofrn for no reason. all liars

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I plan on improving the Readme

<m​onerodeadgone:hackliberty.org> FUCKING ALLOW SGP/ERC ALT ON BUT

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> I was on your side until you went full troll mode

tbh I like the vibes you gave to it syntheticbird, trying to appeal to the younger crowd, trying to appeal to spiritual crowd, it's good, keep up the good work.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'll try my best.

SyntheticBird: Most people aren't online permanently and therefore not everyone can comment within, say, 12h

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Hallelujah!

This should have been discussed for at least a couple of days, even a week

or..maybe...like at a meeting or something?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> fair point. I'll wait the meeting

People evidently value the repository, but it arguably shouldn't be hosted on the official repository

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> I understand that you will improve it and I respect your contributions but I didn't even realize that this was merged until now. No mention of this was publicized anywhere else either

Community is also subjective, in the sense that parts of the community have differnet ideals

So difficult to impose a general rule on them

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> That's why I encourage everyone to say their ideas. Ofc it is difficult but I think it is possible

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Not really. I think we can all agree to banning trolls and other rules that need to be imposed

<k​eepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Also, rules for moderation like how long someone should be banned for and how many strikes should be given are also helpful to have

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I opened a second issue for moderation

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> if you want to write out ideas

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> for me, except for trolling, definitive ban shouldn't be allowed

trolling is part of my religion tho

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Keepofrnxmrbanned i appreciate your renaming matrix side but it does not carry to irc. That is inflammatory so realistically you have to make a new alt

<a​remor:matrix.org> It’s sad that supposedly smart people keep feeding into it

I'm not sure I would call them necessarily smart though

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I don't see how why we would be smarter than average?

Keepofrnxmrbanned i appreciate your renaming matrix side but it does not carry to irc. That is inflammatory so realistically you have to make a new alt

<a​remor:matrix.org> Ban them

<a​remor:matrix.org> A dictatorship would be better than this drama everyday

pretty sure we already have a dictatorship no?

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Wow, this blissfull quiet. No message for half an hour already.

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> How’s the cheap fees working out

rbrunner7 let's get it going again?

I'm pretty sure you're a sockpuppet for jwinterm

That's an interesting theory.

now we start crying for bans

we insult each other for 2 hours

and then we stop, right?

I guess many participants sit in the Americas somewhere and simply went to sleep.

sad

You'd prefer 24h fights? :)

offc

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> who can reset getmonero gitlab signup requests

What would that do r4v3r23? Is there an issue / too many? (I know manual approval has to happen when emails get dropped)

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> i signed up with an email i cant access

Oh, we can get you approved manually then no worries , What is the username?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> ANONERO

Ack

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> can you change my email too

After anonero is added i think its possible in the settings.. lets wait for approvak

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> how long will that take?

good morning!

what's new guys?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> moar spam apparently

I was served that to eat when I was a kid :(

<m​onerogoingto1million:hackliberty.org> who in charge of gitlab? there spam account by fucking sgp/erc alt all attack innocent ofrn:

<m​onerogoingto1million:hackliberty.org> repo.getmonero.org/ofrnscammer

<m​onerogoingto1million:hackliberty.org> repo.getmonero.org/ofrnbanned

<m​onerogoingto1million:hackliberty.org> repo.getmonero.org/ofrnnoo

<m​onerogoingto1million:hackliberty.org> repo.getmonero.org/ofrnnooo

<m​onerogoingto1million:hackliberty.org> repo.getmonero.org/AnonymousOfrnxmrHater

<m​onerogoingto1million:hackliberty.org> repo.getmonero.org/cancelofrn

<m​onerogoingto1million:hackliberty.org> repo.getmonero.org/banofrn

<m​onerogoingto1million:hackliberty.org> all acc list are fucking fakers. im not ofrn but this for ofrn ccs

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Yeah

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Mods dont care

<m​onerogoingto1million:hackliberty.org> all dislike and comment potential fake

<m​onerogoingto1million:hackliberty.org> look here 15 dislikes almost all fake

<m​onerogoingto1million:hackliberty.org> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/444

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> if you think fake accounts have the same influence than known members of the community or monero contributors you're deeply mistaken, the CCS does not work like a democracy.

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> if you think fake accounts have the same influence as known members of the community or monero contributors you're deeply mistaken, the CCS does not work like a democracy.

<m​onerogoingto1million:hackliberty.org> good because sgp fucker try to get in many vote

you sure of that? lol

<m​onerogoingto1million:hackliberty.org> no mods ban fake fucking luigi acc until i come to expose the pussy faggot

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> many prominent community members are against the proposal, not just sgp, i don't know why you assume it's him, it could be me, you know?

<m​onerogoingto1million:hackliberty.org> sgp control that acc that why

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> stop with the insults. only warning.

<m​onerogoingto1million:hackliberty.org> no not u

<m​onerogoingto1million:hackliberty.org> i know it sgp

<m​onerogoingto1million:hackliberty.org> ofrn told me

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> its a conspiracy franco

<m​onerogoingto1million:hackliberty.org> not it not. how that fucker allowed to have account against my name and then i not me but ofrn and defender of ofrn get ban instant

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> i know spg was a petty tyrannt, but isnt she gone?

<m​onerogoingto1million:hackliberty.org> look at ofrn ccs

<m​onerogoingto1million:hackliberty.org> sgp

<3​21bob321:monero.social> So i assume you banned banofrnxmr too for trolling and spread fud

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Being equal and all

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> he was banned

charutocafe: I don't see much opposition against ofrnxmr receiving funding to work on Monero, most of the oppisition seems to be geared at the specifics of the proposal

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> She ?

<j​oiboi.crypto:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/TQHXXHlpZVmhIwlsBujuVOnv

<c​trej:matrix.org> Let's solve the issue of some guy breaking rules by creating more rules!

<c​trej:matrix.org> Note that ofrn never ever treated newcomers badly, he only lashes out against people who hold key community roles and/or get paid by us. He does so only when he believes that they did not fulfill their duty. Most of the time I agree with his acessment.

<c​trej:matrix.org> Therefore I'd argue a CoC is not about creating "a welcoming environment for everyone", rather about keeping it comfy for those being criticized. Fuck that.

<c​trej:matrix.org> You need a padded room with all sharp words removed? Fine, make your own, appoint your own mods, make it invite only, whatever. A decentralized open community *needs* a town square. Dont wanna here it? Nobody forces you to come. We used to have a room for that Monero Beef , but recently if was cucked to be "nice words only", and then people wonder why complains surface like the ofrn CCS.

<c​trej:matrix.org> Matrix ate the formatting, sry

<c​trej:matrix.org> Let's solve the issue of some guy breaking rules by creating more rules! /s

<c​trej:matrix.org> Note that ofrn never ever treated newcomers badly, he only lashes out against people who hold key community roles and/or get paid by us. He does so only when he believes that they did not fulfill their duty. Most of the time I agree with his acessment.

<c​trej:matrix.org> Therefore I'd argue a CoC is not about creating "a welcoming environment for everyone", rather about keeping it comfy for those being criticized. Fuck that.

<c​trej:matrix.org> You need a padded room with all sharp words removed? Fine, make your own, appoint your own mods, make it invite only, whatever. A decentralized open community needs a town square. Dont wanna here it? Nobody forces you to come. We used to have a room for that (# monero beef) , but recently if was cucked to be "nice words only", and then people wonder why complains surface like the ofrn CCS.

<a​nxietyinducing:matrix.org> so cash by mail is now the only somewhat anonymous option? and you use gloves then? haha

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I agree with ofrn on many topics however I can't deny that sometimes he degrades the quality of discussions. It would be great if he stopped sending 10-20 messages of single line slurs tbh.

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> dEBRUYNE: for the most part, yes. kayaba and sgp seem to be against most of the proposal. others like ct or mb seem to be against the specifics.

ceetee it seems that monero-beef was set up for devs to discuss their technical beefs lol

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> devwarzzzz

that's the excuse to bam ofrn from there

meanwhile in the past people were invited to go there by the channels creator with their beefs so as not to spam the other channels

make monero-beef great again!!!!

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Basically scott invited banhammer to beef and then ruck left room

I remember when ofrn used to try to keep this channel ontopic lololololol

monero's tenth birthday is coming up on the 18th at 10:49:53 UTC

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > Therefore I'd argue a CoC is not about creating "a welcoming environment for everyone", rather about keeping it comfy for those being criticized. Fuck that.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> This repository isn't a simple CoC. Stop simplifying it as such. If you really agree with ofrnxmr on the fact that some don't fulfill their duty. This repo is the occasion for you to raise your voice. This is an opportunity to harden or alleviate the CCS rules as well. To redefine what the community expect from workgroup.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> This guideline isn't just a moderation rule document. There is so much to discuss, yet everyone is complaining but don't dare take the opportunity to share it correctly

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> That you agree or disagree with me. I don't care, please just share it in details. I want to work with everyone opinion, even ofrnxmr one.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh thats cool

<r​ucknium:monero.social> monerobull: Can you approve my comment?: reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1c24xn…the_monero_network_underway/kz85duj or dEBRUYNE

<c​trej:matrix.org> the issue is not something extra rules will solve

<c​trej:matrix.org> therefore I reject your entire premise

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> how talked about extra rules ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> again stop prejudging the entire thing

<c​trej:matrix.org> >The moderators will always, except for trolling, discuss what sanction is appropriate.

<c​trej:matrix.org> lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> These are rules for the repository

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> not the guideline

<c​trej:matrix.org> that has worked great so far

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> approved

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> stupid fucking matrix

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> only got that message now

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> If one was to conduct a multi modal attack on Monero spanning a few months, this is sort of how it would look: 1. Steal funds from GF, 2. Reg pressure, 3. BM/Spam attack, 4. Disruptive actors attempting reputation attacks in community, 5. Split social channels to disrupt communication. The only thing that is missing is predominant devs GitHub accounts' getting hacked/deleted/suspended.

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> you doing 2. and 5.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> monerobull: Thank you!

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you're doing 3 and 5

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ig we're both bad actors

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> sure i do black marble...

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > Spam attack

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> or maybe I shouldn't have read the slash

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> yes like every government blame X event and introduce Y bad rule

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yes like every everyone blame ofrnxmr and introduce number of bans on their supporters. You're not more right than anyone else

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> no they fucking didnt @banofrnxmr:bitcoinist.org still here

Keepofrnxmrbanned was removed

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> plowsof can you pls read my msg i sent you on matrix

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> introduce these rule wont work. why? because someone will always have problem then you going to add more rule and more rule until this chat and other become like r/bitcoin. nothing here other than NGU price talk and retardation

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > because someone will always have problem then you going to add more rule and more rule

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> touch grass

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> there something called ignore/mute button. dont like use it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > because someone will always have problem then you going to add more rule and more rule

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> touch grass

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> no need for dumbass guideline

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> go learn to spell

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> embarassing

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> go on kym. you're cringe

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> you say it better than me

I have never used an ignore/mute button

<s​gp_:monero.social> This is not correct. It's not imposing rules on everyone who uses Monero. It only imposes guidelines on how to moderate mediums that are part of "official" infrastructure. People like ofrn can make their own servers and try to build their own communities elsewhere, that's fine and unavoidable (and arguably healthy)

<k​jeks:matrix.org> Srry real noob question. I don't understand why on those 'attacks' they made 1 input 2 output, but why does it matter? isn't the block suppose to merge a bunch of transactions together? Like mixing a lot of inputs from many users?

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> so sgp why you launch a sybil attack against ofrn huh?

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> your new project for moonstone research to fuck up ofrn for no reason?

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> If it’s a single entity doing spam, effective ringsize drops a lot.

At least 1 dev has left this channel because of the influx of messages / drama on the same topic

<r​ucknium:monero.social> kjeks: Each input in a transaction has 16 ring members in its ring signature. If a tx is 1in/2out, there is one ring with 16 ring members. If the tx is 2in/2out, there are two separate rings with 16 ring members each. A total of 32 ring members. Same with 3in, 4in, etc.

<k​jeks:matrix.org> dave.jp: yea but why 'spam'? they wont just be pilled in the next block all together?

<s​gp_:monero.social> Then do your job (along with luigi) and moderate the room

<s​gp_:monero.social> Get past the "theory of moderating" circular discussion and do something

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> No, block size doesn’t grown like that ; also spam = reducing privacy of other users

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> you slimy bastard

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> plowsof and luigi doing a good job. they already banned but we keep coming

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> because we fighting against your alts fucking up ofrn

<s​gp_:monero.social> I haven't made a single alt and yet here you are saying you're ban evading with an alt. C'mon, enough with this nonsense. Ban and let the community room move on. It's not hard

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> so who is botting ofrn ccs?

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> and why you sound exactly the same as other alts who target ofrn?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lmao that must be the most subjective attack I've ever seen

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> "Please stop this nonsense. Me expressing my opinion on current drama is not hate speech. ofrn's rants are however"

<s​gp_:monero.social> Everyone defending ofrn seems to think that using insulting slurs on a regular basis is appropriate, which I can't get behind at all

Yes, it would be nice if we could all take a step back (if this is not malicious) and keep it mainly to gitlab, it seems that everything? Has been said now. Votes on the ccs are not equally weighted (this might upset some) but a number / emoji isnt going to get a proposal merged/closed

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> keep dodging questions

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> im not going to use a single slur for my next accusations

I'll stop for the day, I'll wait for the meeting. sgp I advise you to do the same, not that you're wrong but we can let monero1million speak whenever we wants just below

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> 1) someone is 100% botting ofrn's ccs. look at the like/dislike ratio and the users. almost all dislikes are from accounts created today or very recently.

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> 2) many alts have joined after ofrn's ccs and THEY HAVEN'T been banned until today when they got exposed. almost like they have influence like you sgp. ofrn supporters got banned quicker

Its entirely possible that all of the alt accounts are myself, theres no point in making accusations or getting worked up over alts

Botting doesnt work (to get merged or to close)

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> when theyre are alts targeting someone saying keep them banned and ban them and cancel them hard to not get worked up

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> and spreading lies/rumors

Keepofrnbanned was warned/told to make a new account (that user did change his name on matrix side and seems polite/calm)

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> yes but where did they go? gone after sgp appeared?

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> deactivate their account after sgp appear

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> ill let ofrn expose the rest on twitter

<p​ointoffailure:monero.social> Why do you guys have CoC and mods when both matrix and IRC support ignoring by nickname?

plowsof: to be honest, i don't think that ofrnxmr has the correct temperament or the correct communication skills for the role they are proposing in the CCS. I also think it's absolutely bonkers to even consider merging a CCS when the proposer doesn't seem able to maintain an attitude and demeanor that doesn't get him banned from community channels. However, i don't want to let my personal judge of character hold all of

you people making a decision on what you think is best for the Monero project and its community.

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> midipoet have u ever thought why ofrn act like this?

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> when you getting attacked by bad actors in the community 24/7 hard to act kind all the time

cause he is a bit bat shit crazy?

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> ofrn only acts like this not to newcomer but to the guys who are targeting and censoring him

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> generalizing his behavior doesnt help

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> imagine someone on matrix, gitlab and twitter create alt accounts saying keep MIDIPOET banned, MIDIPOET is a scammer, MIDIPOET is exit scamming

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> how would you act? say I love oyu ot these people?

<c​trej:matrix.org> People like SGP can make their own servers and try to build their own communities elsewhere, thats fine and unavoidable (and arguably healthy)

Ack midipoet thanks

<k​jeks:matrix.org> Why not just excluding the possibility of mordinals? monero is supposed to be fungible, not NFT

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> ofrn is just being targetted because he say what he think.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> While being one of the most helpful person here (free 24/7 support)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Then now we get a CoC wtf

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I usually dump everything that have a CoC... Should I?

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> its very dangerous time now. monero is getting attacked from everywhere. delisting, chain attack with spam, attack against community member and more

<p​reland:matrix.org> CoC… Clash of Clans?

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> probably stay we have to defend no matter what

To be fair, the getmonero forum has had a CoC . Thats as close to a 'monero project' CoC as you can get

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> code of conduct

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Attacked from inside and out yeah

<a​remor:matrix.org> this room looks like a shit show

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I did not read the full buffer, I think it never been that long lol

<p​reland:matrix.org> I will say that there is definitely an ongoing social engineering attack against Monero. At least on the Reddit

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> haha the reddit is nothing compared to what happening to ofrn

ctrej: wasnt monero.social just that? And actually, so was this channel?!

<p​reland:matrix.org> As for Ofnr, idk. He alts so much I wouldn’t even be surprised if monero1mollion is an alt

<c​trej:matrix.org> All new accounts should not be trusted

<p​reland:matrix.org> I doubt it is just limited to the Reddit

<c​trej:matrix.org> on both sides of the argument

as far as i remember sgp, diego, needmoney and xmrscott started both

could be wrong though!

<p​reland:matrix.org> Anyways I gotta enter my Faraday cage I’ll see y’all in a few hours

<a​remor:matrix.org> it's sad that people cannot realize when they're being trolled and that ignoring is the best response

Monero community is the brain child of sgp iirc

<c​trej:matrix.org> entities opposing monero benefit from our internal struggles and if I were them I'd try to pour as much oil into the fire as I can

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> repo.getmonero.org/ofrnscammer

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> repo.getmonero.org/ofrnbanned

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> repo.getmonero.org/ofrnnoo

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> repo.getmonero.org/ofrnnooo

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> repo.getmonero.org/AnonymousOfrnxmrHater

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> repo.getmonero.org/cancelofrn

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> repo.getmonero.org/banofrn

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> yes this trolling and not sybil attack

preland: yeah, i agree. Has been going on a while

Basically disruptive actors that have engineered a split in the community

It's quite clever really

"sybil attacks" are ignored, no need to get worked up / spam them here. Please assume corr have brain cells

<c​trej:matrix.org> can't tell if sarcastic or not

Core

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Useless ids, which can be ignored if you are smart

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> plowsof just showing aremor that this not trolling but someone attempting to destroy ofrn's identity

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Incorrect plowsof. It was mine

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> “Monero community” ??

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The story goes in the following way:

Monero community was diego rehrars brain child*

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I just joined and wanted to help. Made Monero Marketing. Did some stuff with it. People didn't like marketing and got cranky.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Decided to change it to Community. Talked with sgp who was helping a bit with my marketing thing. He said he'd be interested. He joined me for Community launch. So we're co-creators of Community.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> But my brain child

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> yes like US government brainchild of TOR and other invention. brainchild = backdoor

<c​trej:matrix.org> nah Diego is alright

Offtopic^ lol thanks for clarifying diego

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> yes I like diego

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> cypherstack lovely group but i dont like alphabet agency

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> alphabet name

Numbers only

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> Don't want to stir up anything but just saying...this new community guideline on the main Monero Github is horrible. Who wrote that and who decided to green light it? It's as if no one proof-read it?? Full of obvious typos and badly written english.

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> This is really not a good look, and besides, does Monero REALLY need to push this on the main repo. Individual Monero communities should make their own guidelines, this seems like an attempt to centralize the discourse moderation when in reality, Monero's strength is its decentralized and fragmented community.

<c​trej:matrix.org> its not greenlit

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> pls pls read the backlog many conversation about this

I thought Cryptogrampt had returned

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> my message been censored and deleted so if you want full history

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> Okay will do, just saw that before I went to sleep and couldn't believe

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> read on libera.monerologs.net

<a​remor:matrix.org> the mods of this room need to take control of the situation. there is no reason this room should be disrupted like this every single single day. if someone breaks the rules, deal with them, and that's the last word. anyone bitching about it can be banned too. stop this non-sense bickering every day. lay the law down, or will this will never end. @plowof, @luigi, @xmrscott, @sgp_

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> IRC always best place to read unaltered logs indeed, will check on mine too

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> SyntheticBird: you remember when I left like 6 hours ago, are they going like this non-stop?

the repo is deleted. SyntheticBird can continue his efforts in the original repo if wanted and if it gets to a good state we can look at it again

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> this not disruption if you bother to read backlog it was lots of discussion

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> backlog very long

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> yes

We need a family therapist

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> Damn

Thanks luigi1111w!

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> It's me and you're right to notify that. I wrote the readme at 3 am. Planned on improving it later

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> Repo is under my username again. If you want to give ideas, proposal or just insult you can go in the discussion section

nioCat> monero's tenth birthday is coming up on the 18th at 10:49:53 UTC <= someone should organize something wow

how about a combined CoC Grand Super Huge Launch Party and a 10th Anniversary party all rolled into one? Cmon you know it's a good idea. We could even get some of those inflatable suit thingies and a ring, and we could bring -beef to real life, sumo style.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> There are a couple of people trying to open new Matrix DMs with me. When I try to join the DMs I see `MatrixError: [502] Failed to make_join via any server`. I am not ignoring you FWIW. You can DM me on Libera Chat IRC, but remember that IRC DMs are not e2e encrypted by default.

Synthetic birds CoC and chatgpt proposal, never forget :D

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> Alright sounds good, having it under the Monero repo made it look officially released.

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> My opinion is that we shouldn't really need a CoC besides "no spam". That's it.

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> Any language about "hate speech" is a slippery slope. CoC guidelines are often abused by power hungry moderators in the vast majority of online communities. This would open a pandora's box and vector to neuter the community's freedom of speech.

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> Don't forget that moderation jobs and anything that gives a bit of power attracts leeches.

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> Just my two cents, which is worth what you make of it.

CryptoGuard: I agree with a kind of laissez-faire approach, as long as there is no spam and it is kept civil

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> I'll try to address that concern

does kept civil mean no hate

if someone perseverates is that considered spam

please forgive me lol

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> is that direct tot me niocat

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> Alright sounds good, having it under the Monero repo made it look officially released.

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> My opinion is that we shouldn't really need a CoC besides "no spam". That's it.

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> Any language about "hate speech" is a slippery slope. CoC guidelines are often abused by power hungry moderators in the vast majority of online communities. This would open a pandora's box and vector to neuter the community's freedom of speech.

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> Don't forget that moderation jobs and anything that gives a bit of power attracts leeches.

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> Just my two cents, which is worth what you make of it.

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> Note: Not saying current mod team are leeches, let's make that clear lol

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> i think perseverance if for a good cause not consider spam but if for something bad like shilling scam crypto then bad

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> but up to mod to decide

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> is that direct tot me niocat <>lose context much?

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> Exactly, "no spam" is a good filter because it lets people express themselves. But people start harrassing others, it almost always takes the form of spam anyway.

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> current mod team very fair. leeches you describe good example is any reddit community. introduce coc and we become echo chamber with unfair ruling

look just above

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> Yes, I edited my comment to make sure people understand I'm not saying current mod team are leeches, just speaking in a general sense

there is always a line, just matters where you put/perceive it

<r​brunner7:monero.social> "Any language about "hate speech" is a slippery slope." Yeah, that "slippery slope" argument. Is that why I had to endure smearwords in groups of 3 and 4 in every second sentence in this room a few hours ago? Because heaven forbid we draw some lines in the sand.

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> man this get tiring. backlog have this argument already it all done

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> but backlog very long to be fair so can be hard to read all of it

<r​brunner7:monero.social> I am here since 8:00 UTC, thanks very much.

required reading: "All I Really Need To Know I Learned in Kindergarten"

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> unless you read logs on libera or irc many message delete thank you

omg matrix censors, what are you guys doing there?

<r​brunner7:monero.social> There was any argument arguing convincingly that putting up with rows of swearwords is the least bad solution?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> plowsof

too much popcorn, I am now changing to chocolate

r4v3r23 no estimate sorry. When the admin sees my message

<r​brunner7:monero.social> If "free speech" enters the ring, it's anyway time for me to run the other way :)

78%

there was no convincing argument for no CoC, other than "free speech" and "anarchism".

There has also been absolutely no solution to what happens when someone hurls insults and slurs towards another.

dEBRUYNE: says things should be civil

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> yes there has. ban

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> that why ofrn not here right now

he is here in spirit

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> overcomplicate with coc and we end up with restricted chat. no spam keep it simple

But there has been countless instances of things not being civil, on here, matrix, and the CCS and yet it took a lot of handwaving before anything was done by those with the powers to do anything

And that, in my opinion, is the root of the issue

Everything else is a symptom

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> cool opinion

please read the book

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> my english is not the best to read a book that long

People having to handwave, makes them targets, and i think it's what those with power want, so they don't have to take the "blame" for keeping things civil

it's simple

<r​brunner7:monero.social> ISBN or Amazon link please :)

<s​gp_:monero.social> People need to agree at a fundamental level that if someone throws insults and harasses people, that that person should be removed from the room until they apologize, understand why it's wrong, and agree not to do it again. If the mods can't agree to enforce that, then there's no point of this room, since it'll be continuously ruined by bad actors

I believe it has been translated

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> sgp everything you say is irrelevant as your a bad actor yourself

i agree with sgp_

<c​trej:matrix.org> there was no argument that did convince you. On the other hand there was no argument that we need a CoC for me (and many others)

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> there is a reason you stepped down from mod and a good one

<midipoet> dEBRUYNE: says things should be civil <= Right, but just to clarify I am not necessarily arguing in faovr of a CoC

ctrej: a CoC means that we can "try" and ensure that moderation is done in an objectively fair manner

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> stick to chain analysis and helping the fed

A codified code of conduct that is

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> thats your avenue and attacking ofrn how can we forget

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> It's the cost to pay for freedom of speech, even though it may not be always nice.

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> But as I said, of the same person keeps on insulting you over and over and over then it may be considered as spam.

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> But hey, it's just the way I think about online moderation. I've seen communities go mute and get neutered into echo chambers way too often in the past few years, sickens me to see what the internet has become. I just hope the Monero community doesn't end up this way as well.

In my opinion, if there isn't a CoC, moderation is up to the whims of whomever has the permission

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> midipoet -> no the community can say this X person being annoying ban and people can come to agreement

<s​gp_:monero.social> code of conducts, or any other name they are given, set expectations for the room, which is important when we have people here arguing that they should be able to insult anyone however they want. Moderators still have discretion; it isn't "if A happens then must do B"

dEBRUYNE: i know you aren't, and that's fine. But you have said you want things to be civil, but we have ample evidence that they haven't been

So what's the solution?

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> if there was solution society would be lovely, no wars and we all in peace

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> no solution perfect

rbrunner7 so many ISBN numbers as it has been translated and also audio books

midipoet: Fair point

<midipoet> So what's the solution? <= Don't really have an answer to that currently

easy enough to search

<r​brunner7:monero.social> I think there are no clear-cut answers, otherwise they would be universally known and applied already. It's always trade-offs and compromises in the end. Which is exactly I would accuse some people here today: No compromise in sight.

<s​gp_:monero.social> I wrote up some basic starting points a while back, let me pull those up. It's an example of setting some fundamental expectations, and in those expectations is restraint against taking anything unreasonably far

<s​gp_:monero.social> cryptpad.disroot.org/pad/#/2/pad/edit/NF37n6EF4rhV4+irPNfbUtCc

We did have years and years ago, really simple rules for Monero. There was a graphic.

I think there were like 7

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> go create your own server with these rules

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> we see how many people join

be good

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> always with rules the list keeps getting bigger until you end up with every other shitty social media in exist

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> Ffs touch grass. Anyone with a decent thinking know this is bs

<s​gp_:monero.social> You're advocating for no rules and no moderation, which makes no sense

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> people who touch grass dont know how internet works properly. ive been here long enough in many community see them all destroyed

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> no im not stop putting words in my mouth. i say that there are basic, basic rule like no spam. then if someone annoy or community dont agree with actions by one user they can ping mod to ban and reach agreement. not come up with bullshit list

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> LMAO

I'd be up for experimenting with no rules

i think we could make this a fantastic place

And indeed all channels could be fantastic

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> sgp should have no say in moderation/admin rules

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> theyve already proven they cant be trusted with them

shall we try a month of no rules in all channels?

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> he used to breaking rules on chain. wants to find out how much XMR you have in your wallet for the fed buddies

See how we go?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> i know

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> who said no rules. i just say no rule list bullshit

oh!

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> why try to overcomplicate thing?

So what are the rules?

<s​gp_:monero.social> the document I linked really isn't that complicated lol

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> rules -> imply list

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> no spam

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> there should be one rule

on rule.

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> bingo

No spam?

That's it

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> you trolling now

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> all words allowed

#1 be good

.bbl

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> its super verbose

#be good to each other and stay on topic# would be a good one

r4v3r23: insults? They allowed?

<s​gp_:monero.social> ...it's TWO pages lol

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> I wish you guys had the same strength at discussing that in my repo instead

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> i assume were all adults here

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> midipoet

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> sticks and stones

<s​gp_:monero.social> even Tor has a code of conduct community.torproject.org/policies/code_of_conduct

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> idk if you are dumb

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> but this was discuss in backlogs

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> tldr. heh 😎

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> "even tor" LMFAO

r4v3r23: obviously we arent! We again, have ample evidence of this

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> monero also has coc already

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> if some one cant hand le a rando online talking shit, maybe they shouldnt be online

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> midipoet as a basement person who always on internet introduce bullshit rules will actually be worse and cause more dama => then people who sick of this move to other platform with less rules

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> youre always free to ignore the troll. they usually disappear

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> you can mute on irc/matrix

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> Yeah i'm sure we're all have been on this channel for only 1 hour for sure

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> there no excuse

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> anyway, ignore any of sgp's suggestions

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> sqlite.org/codeofethics.html

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> I vote for this one :)

r4v3r23: again, ample evidence, they dont.

<t​uxsudo:tux.pizza> based

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> It was so good it triggered CoC people by simply existing

r4v3r23: i heard a funny story about you the other day

Was about your past dealings in the space

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> TIL

Supposedly you tried to rip someone off in another community (won't name it as it might be obvious who)

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> probably bullshit. but go ahead, it might give me another reason to leave

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> midipoet go back and make some conspiracy theory

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> ive been accused of everything already

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> before you leave read my dm

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> give me specifics

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> at least

r4v3r23: I'll DM you. Don't want to do it in public

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> ok

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> what do you mean by space? monero?

if be any chance this channel got deleted, where else would the drama go ?

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> we already have a place but all of you dont like the drama we keep it private

If you have a special place where you spend time being more toxic than this channel since the last 12 hours, I can only imagine why you are being so opinionated right now

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> the quote on quote drama is only criticing poor implementations like the quickly merge misspell repo

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> and attacks on ofrn

yeah you better don't forget. because everything started from ofrn /s

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> dont you got cuprate work to do?

I'm actively part of the project at the moment. And I've other interesting things to do right now. But thanks for asking

<m​onero1million:hackliberty.org> sorry may seem harsh but you keep telling me to touch grass and blah. go do work or touch grass yourself

I'm not*

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/UATQUrAgaeCczMlLuazTqfMS

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> @plowsof i keep getting this when trying to fork ccs

Can not fork from a 3rd party account , have to wait for approval

Or use protonmail (which receives emails)

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> great, i deleted my account to re-registed the user name

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> now it says account blocked and username taken

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Ah yes a cesspit full of antisocial behavior, then all the sane people will quit

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> @midipoet ??

r4v3r23 we can probably fix that, what's the account name?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> nvm luigi all good. just needed to wait

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> can you approve ANONERO account?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> If we let this happens I wonder if the devs will jump on the sane channel or stay on the toxic one

r4v3r23: i can't get into my client to DM you, unfortunately. Wouldn't worry about it, was probably bullshit or some weird reputation attack

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> was it some one from here?

no, fairly sure it wasn't

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> the only other community i was in was samourai

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> i left years ago tho. and i definitely triggered the fuck out of them

<y​asabi:matrix.org> > It's the cost to pay for freedom of speech, even though it may not be always nice.

<y​asabi:matrix.org> Freedom of speech pertains to government censorship, not voluntary associations.

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> @midipoet you can hit me up on telegram or protonmail with same user

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> if some ones talking shit they best come correct

<s​iren:kernal.eu> What a difficult question to answer really. Move on the uninterrupted on-topic chat, or stay in the cesspit. Especially when people appointed by them and themselves are the ones swinging the banhammer currently and not allowing this to happen.

<y​asabi:matrix.org> To hear this argument from you Cryptoguard, who banned me from Particl channels for criticizing the project management, is fucking hilarious

r4v3r23: i don't like people talking shit either to be honest

But it happens

<s​iren:kernal.eu> > <@syntheticbird:monero.social> If we let this happens I wonder if the devs will jump on the sane channel or stay on the toxic one

<s​iren:kernal.eu> What a difficult question to answer really. Move onto the uninterrupted on-topic chat, or stay in the cesspit. Especially when people appointed by them and themselves are the ones swinging the banhammer currently and not allowing this to happen.

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> same, but since im involved in a project now id like to know what these "dealings" were

<y​asabi:matrix.org> Disagreement is obviously fine and necessary for healthy discourse and the development of new ideas. Disagreement is different than disruption however, and the latter is a method used to attack free associations.

<y​asabi:matrix.org> If people don't want a CoC, they need to have established methods and norms for keeping equillibrium and productivity. The ofrn affair has demonstrated that his ardent supports do not have this capacity.

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> Just ignore someone Lol

<y​asabi:matrix.org> They would rather see the topic of ofrn dominate all these channels for days, weeks on end. Even throughout the delistings and spam attacks. That they choose to heap more disruption on top is extraordinarily sus.

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> Blocking others from speaking to someone is the literal definition of "blocking free association"

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> And thats what "bans" do

<y​asabi:matrix.org> You can ignore someone. Ignoring an enormous amount of brigaders is not so simple.

<j​winterm:matrix.org> I still think it's just not good idea to have "the holy core team" also in charge of fundraising for anything besides keeping the lights on website and DNS bootstrap or whatever

<y​asabi:matrix.org> No it's not the opposite of free association. No one's obligated to listen to your bullshit. If they block you, that's them telling you they think you're an asshole and want nothing more to do with you.

<j​winterm:matrix.org> When money is involved, things get political, and having Monero for meditate messy politics is not appropriate scope for steward of decentralized projects "official" website and repo

<j​winterm:matrix.org> *mediate

<j​winterm:matrix.org> *Monero Core mediate

<y​asabi:matrix.org> Anyone who prioritizes their ability to brigade, insult, and spam slurs should go start an #monero-freespeechzone channel

<y​asabi:matrix.org> No one's stopping you from doing that.

<j​winterm:matrix.org> Obviously

<y​asabi:matrix.org> Then the people who compulsive needs to do so can get that out of their systems, and the people who prioritize discussing monero can use the current channels established for doing so.

<j​winterm:matrix.org> Actually Monero Core could get your channel banned for infringing on their single hashtag namespace

<j​winterm:matrix.org> ##monero-freespeechzone

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Even better if they quit wasting monero.social resources and start administrating their own homeserver

jwinterm: you mean #monero-pools ? :P

<y​asabi:matrix.org> Agreed!

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> The Monero project is owned by its creators and maintainers. They have all powers and its good like that

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> Ignoring 3 people because they hurt your feelies takes seconds and doesn't negate the fact you have no right to prevent others from speaking to them

<y​asabi:matrix.org> They should put their money where their mouths are. You love decentralization and free speech? Fucking prove it and start another instance where you can define the norms.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no joke this channel cause me brainrot

<y​asabi:matrix.org> You all keep saying this is one person, it's three people, it's only a handful of bad apples. It's disingenuous af and obviously wrong to anyone who can scroll up to read the last weeks of conversation.

<y​asabi:matrix.org> You keep trying to minimize the fact that this is derailing the conversations during the time where the project is seeing rapid delistings and repeated spam attacks.

<y​asabi:matrix.org> sus af

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Wonderful we have someone attacking monero and we are arguing about chat moderation 😂

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> tbf, the spam attack is technical, not community-related or social

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so it's pretty ok not to discuss it under #monero-community:monero.social

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Additionally, monero.social is hosted in Hetzner Finland. Where hate speech is illegal and not permitted by terms and conditions.

<j​winterm:matrix.org> Someone owns getmonero.org

<j​winterm:matrix.org> And it's not all the creators

<j​winterm:matrix.org> Someone has GitHub access

<j​winterm:matrix.org> And it's not all the creators

<j​winterm:matrix.org> And essentially one person is gatekeeping finding opportunities still it seems

<j​winterm:matrix.org> Funding

<j​winterm:matrix.org> I just think it's always going to ugly, and it's better not to have the official Monero brand involved in something that will always necessarily be messy, loud, political, etc

gydcmr: IRC users can't ignore matrix users and visa versa

As you have to ignore the bridge

<j​winterm:matrix.org> And as you can see the optics of Luigi hastily posting some new vibes document on the "official" Monero repo has not been universally well received by all community members on Twitter

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I miss the old bridge

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> but it was broken

<j​winterm:matrix.org> Or even fellow core team member debruyne coming in earlier and voicing objections

<j​winterm:matrix.org> What kind of process is this?

<j​winterm:matrix.org> There seems to be no defined process and no defined core team either really

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It's called:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > Hey I've opened a repo

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > I prefer it to be under monero orga since its monero related

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > Oh can you migrate it ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > What ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > I thought you wanted to migrate it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > Yeah I can do that

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > Thanks

<j​winterm:matrix.org> I appreciate saying all contributors own the project but imo that means nothing in reality

RavFX: the old bridge also didn't allow ignore to work properly, as far as i remember.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm really asking with all due respect and I'm begging you. Can you write this frustration out in the repository

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> The old bridge did show each bridged users are normal users so I assume it was working for that

<j​winterm:matrix.org> I'm not frustrated I'm just here for the vibes 😸

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> why has it been removed ?

<y​asabi:matrix.org> Anyone who prioritizes their ability to brigade, insult, and spam slurs should go start an #monero-freespeechzone channel <= maybe don't use the "monero" prefix because then the project owns it by default.

ravfx: perhaps, but unfortunately technological determinism now means all IRC users must take matrix users as an aggregate, so you are only as productive as your lowest common denominator, and vice versa of course.

<y​asabi:matrix.org> really the issue isn't a new CoC, there's already a CoC that covers the core of the issue here. the issue is that it's not consistently applied

<y​asabi:matrix.org> a new CoC isn't going to fix anything if it's also inconsistently applied

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Its was not doing it's job (bridging use text) anymore

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I disagree. The nearest CoC we have is related to the old forum.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Making a new one permit to both hear each parties in the conflict and show an interest by the community to see mods apply these rules.

<y​asabi:matrix.org> luigi1111w: thanks, as you can tell i'm a lowly matrix pleb and not fully accustomed to IRC conventions

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> @luigi1111w are you gitlab admin?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > I prefer it to be under monero orga since its monero related <= this was ill-considered by me since the repo is very preliminary. That's my bad.

<y​asabi:matrix.org> but really i think it needs to be asked what difference does another document make. why is it some people who are charged with the application of these things are preferring not to?

<y​asabi:matrix.org> it seems to me that's because their cultural/political sympathies towards an understanding of freespeech as including insults and slurs is taking priority over the duties of moderating that they signed up for.

<y​asabi:matrix.org> which is fine, that's their perogative, but then why are they moderators?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> @luigi1111w are you gitlab admin? <= no moneromooo is, I think plowsof contacted him already

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> DEBRUYNE is a core team member? Since when? 🤔

<y​asabi:matrix.org> this question appears to cover all the monero channels. the discord server for example, which has multiple "official project people" in the mod and admin team, already has just one single rule which is simply "No slurs". Guess what? It's never enforced.

<y​asabi:matrix.org> its meme channel is full of images of just the n-word

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> gotchya thanks

<y​asabi:matrix.org> everyone is constantly calling eachother faggot and retarded

<y​asabi:matrix.org> what's the point of having the rule? either don't have the rule, or actually enforce the rule

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I can only agree with that.

<j​winterm:matrix.org> Whatever close enough

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Ban jw for being a troll! Derailing our very on-topic channel!

hmm what is this monero discord

<y​asabi:matrix.org> either not having the rule, or actually applying it, will resolve all this ambiguity by informing the "types" of people who may be interested as to the cultural norms of the space.

it sounds like it's just not modded at all

<y​asabi:matrix.org> people who prefer not to be in spaces with those norms, who see the rule and join and then see the actual behavior, are not to be faulted if they come to the conclusion that "this is just how the monero community is" and decide not to involve themselves with it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> The community is vital to Monero. And the worst fate it can get is devs to be disgusted by the community

<C​ryptoGuard:matrix.org> Can't remember if it was me or another mod but it was consistant with my spamming stance. We've discussed this on Reddit a few months ago when I invited you back into the chat.

<y​asabi:matrix.org> but really i think it needs to be asked what difference does another document make. why is it some people who are charged with the application of these things are preferring not to? <= there isn't really a mod team on IRC. There are some admins and plowsof. Moderation on IRC in most channels just hasn't been an issue throughout most of the project's history. Matrix came along and built its own mod team, but th

e bridge joining it to IRC made it a part of the IRC stuff unlike any other platforms

<y​asabi:matrix.org> CryptoGuard: funny the timing of it then immediately after i simply observed that due to coin distribution it was impossible to outvote the core team on their own funding proposals

<y​asabi:matrix.org> And I have no such reddit DM.

<y​asabi:matrix.org> But that's beside the point of this channel and conversation.

oh particl

I was wondering how coin distribution mattered lol

<y​asabi:matrix.org> yeah it looks like the bridge doesn't include comments quoted within messages lol

<y​asabi:matrix.org> its confused me more than once so far

yeah replies don't show. IRC is archaic

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Discord: 🌟

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> just kidding

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> JUST KIDDING

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> In theory we could have Matrix bridged to both IRC and Discord

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and even Twitter

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and even Signal

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and even XMPP

<s​iren:kernal.eu> sgp_ (New Account: @sgp:magicgrants.org): charuto: this person from this room keeps spamming room invites, FYI

<s​iren:kernal.eu> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/kernal.eu/qiVBrUXtfzmgyRUBJHksKGse

<y​asabi:matrix.org> i got one of those invites as well, i found the symbol in the background of the user icon curious

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Yeah didn't join obviously

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Joined accidently. But messages didn't load

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> They invited me when I was on monero.social

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> They invited me again on my new xmr.mx account

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Still have the pending invite.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I know that if I reject it they are going to invite me again and again 😂

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Wait I can probably block it too lol

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> MR 444 should be merged just because of the ton of fake account downvoting it

<p​ointoffailure:monero.social> Bruh, just open a context menu -> ignore user and its done

<p​ointoffailure:monero.social> Year 2024: Decentralized anarchist communities are begging for strict rules, a strong hand, and mods(police) to keep everything in order.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> rottenwheel

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Well, if you filter out the fakes, more people upvotted than downvotted.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> It say it all, more people want ofrn back and the one that don't want it back have to amplify there hate by creating fake accounts to pump number 😂

<p​ointoffailure:monero.social> Imagine faces of your grand sons and grand daughters when the AI will be telling them about you 😬

<y​asabi:matrix.org> mods are not police, that's insane. police can kill you and get a paid six month vacation

<y​asabi:matrix.org> mods are volunteering their time and can remove you from the channel at worst

<p​ointoffailure:monero.social> Ban is a virtual kill

<y​asabi:matrix.org> comparing the two is absolutely idiotic or completely disingenuous

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> LMAO

<p​ointoffailure:monero.social> You transit the subject into nonexistence in the virtual space without his consent, so how do you differ from an executioner?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Very cool, get banned 😎

<y​asabi:matrix.org> maybe you go should go outside and try hurling insults at a cop and let us know your feelings again afterwards, if you're still able to type lol

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> Cope

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> Y'all need to take your meds

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> Schizo chuds who are terminally online

<c​ockliuser:matrix.org> The irony is that "terminally online" is a piece of terminally online lingo

<s​iren:kernal.eu> sgp_ (New Account: @sgp:magicgrants.org): charuto: plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: this person from this room keeps spamming room invites, FYI

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> The English language is now online somehow

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> Incredible

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> Go outside

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I support CoC expansion. I'm tired of being here to discuss Monero and seeing items such as transphobia and homophobia. Someone's gender identity has no relation to their ability to contribute to Monero so it should have no place here.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Specifically, I'll call out how today, pointing out an instance of transphobia (belittling people who specify pronouns in general really) was met with an accusation of Monero going woke. It's not woke to say we shouldn't insult/belittle people and make them feel unwelcome.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> If we stop people from attacking people for completely irrelevant reasons to the project, we can get back to focusing on work. This chat is a mess, detracting from actually meaningful conversations.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I don't believe the current CoC repo should exist. I'd call for someone to type a full draft, submit it to meta, and incorporate edits. Then I'd call for adoptance as a repo under the org.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I'd call for a ban of remarks on race/ethnicity, gender identity, sexual orientation, and all slurs based on that premise. I'd note we should all be respectful and professional to each other. If someone continually breaks the rules, I'm perfectly fine saying 3 strike and you're out, not several days of dealing with your bs before finally ending it.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I don't want to be dragged down by babysitting this process. I don't want to be dragged down by arguing about it. I definitely don't want to be dragged down by the bullshit here constantly occurring. I do want a future free of this. How can we end this before I just leave? If we can't, that's the decision of the community here, just as it'd be my decision to leave.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Also, yes, I'm still on matrix.org. Apologies if that makes me out of the conversation.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Can we, at a minimum, make a monero-discussofrn room and shunt all of this bs there?

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> Tldr. I dont speak terminally online incel

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> Nobody with a life does this

<g​ycdmr:mtrx.cz> Just go outside, make a few friends 😆

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Shunting \* ofrn to a new room so this can be yelled about ad infinitum *somewhere else* sounds amazing to me.

<p​ointoffailure:monero.social> Some cops are my friends and I'm still able to type, lol. Try it at mods and you won't be able to type anything here very soon 🙂.

<p​ointoffailure:monero.social> If you embrace the same models currently existing in a state then your community is doomed in a long run. The fact that you're policing on a much much smaller scale and it's not as harmful as in the real world is not an excuse. You're just much smaller than a state today and your organization doesn't exist in the real world afterall.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I'll post my CCS later today. The very brief is:

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> 880 XMR for my work on R&D for FCMPs, part of a total 3000 XMR raise for also funding review and audits (~250k allocated for that purpose). Funds held by the CCS, discretion for who to fulfill the included milestones (and for how much) by myself, jberman, and loose agreement by the MRL. Remaining funds, if any, upon success/failure to roll over into a new MRL discretionary fund (p<clipped message>

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> rocedures to be established upon roll over), as proposed in the meeting before last.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> --

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I'd expect the main discussion to be over if this should be split into two distinct proposals, one for my R&D, one for the slush fund.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I am open to hearing, here and now, prior to my publication initial thoughts on that matter :)

speak now or forever hold your peace :)

<r​ucknium:monero.social> kayabanerve: Thank you! Did you know that "slush fund' usually means a fund that is improper in some way? Maybe have a different term for it.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ⸸gycdmr⸸: are you mass inviting people here to join some room 'europol' room?

kayabanerve: are we any closer to FCMPs since your last proposal? I saw your interview with the crypto lady and MT, but I'm having a hard time keeping track of the actual developments

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I was invited, did not realize it was an invite to a room (as I didn't know those existed), and was disturbed by the content. If that's the person who's performing the invites, I'd say they should be banned as a spammer.

by "last proposal" I mean the retroactive one

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> sounds sane after all the corroborating reports. apparently there are other accounts spamming but that was the only one here

<d​an:cypherstack.com> Thanks, I'm going to look into this account now.

bridge ded?

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Slush fund suggests impropriety???

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I just thought it meant a loose allocation of funds that's slushy

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Fluid enough to flow, frozen enough to go to certain things

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I'd recommend reading my gist

<s​gp_:monero.social> No, it's used to convey that people siphon from it, lol

slush/discretionary... not necessarily improper

<r​ucknium:monero.social> kayabanerve: Slush fund on Wikipedia: "A slush fund is a fund or account used for miscellaneous income and expenses, particularly when these are corrupt or illegal. Such funds may be kept hidden and maintained separately from money that is used for legitimate purposes."

<s​gp_:monero.social> "discretionary fund" is what people usually use if legitimate :)

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> It covers a proposal prior to Seraphis and the explicit steps we can take towards it

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I'll drop the term "slush fund" which apparently is closely linked to corruption???

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Thanks for the heads up Rucknium

<p​otr:monero.social> Originally yes, but they've been misused enough for the term to acquire a negative connotation. Discretionary fund lacks the pejorative weight

geonic yes, matrix dot org <> monero social ded / severely delayed (the irc bridge -> matrix)

<y​asabi:matrix.org> inb4 CCS RICO trial :smirk

new merge requests on the ccs monero dot observer and ANONERO version 1.0/rewrite repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests

> a loose allocation of funds that's slushy

^^ to be fair that does sound naughty.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Can i just say your pissing in the wind. We have resolution room and that its a joke, so beef was created and that turnned into a joke, co- opted.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> A slush fund is pool of money i can do whatever i want without no oversight.

bob. Why can't you just have your ownatrix uncensored room then?

*own matrix

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> not a fund to buy slush puppies for everyone, oh

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Or slushies

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Should I start uncensored monero related matrix rooms on xmr.mx? (obviously no CP / actually illegal shiet)

<x​mrscott:monero.social> This is factually wrong on several levels. -beef was created for civil, technical spats in 2021 and predates Resolutions. Resolutions was created in 2022, 9 months later so other homeserver admins could discuss issues originally, and now is also geared for flagging a bunch of mods at once for cases of flood, spam, and so forth

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> It's an earmarked fund with the confirmation process being fast tracked to two trusted people and a MRL meeting to confirm it's reasonable

confirming i have created a plowsof:monero.social account

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> you have my permission

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> but be aware that there's already a number of those rooms and there's a reason why they're not more popular

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/ttonuUDvhLAFHcrIIUDEdasc

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> we should adopt that!

<3​21bob321:monero.social> You showed one level 1 btw. And two how come there was a meeting a couple of months ago where beef was created and ruck was incharge then with in a couple of weeks ofrn got banned and then ruck unbanned him and then you invited banhammer and then ruck left the room.

<x​mrscott:monero.social> No, I showed that you got dates wrong which then also has the corollary that the entire statement is wrong as it was pretexted on order, so multiple levels of wrong

<3​21bob321:monero.social> This all happened around the time erc suicide banned ofrn and you mutted me in resolution dor asking for him to be unbanned

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I was in the room and go why did ruck leave oh bannerhammer was invited

<3​21bob321:monero.social> All this shit started when you fifo in and started retroactive banning people and distrupted the community.

<x​mrscott:monero.social> You weren't muted for asking to be unbanned; you were muted for choosing to ignore warnings and continue to make peanut gallery comments in a Support specific room when there are plenty of other less serious rooms to make peanut gallery comments in

<x​mrscott:monero.social> You weren't muted for asking for someone to be unbanned; you were muted for choosing to ignore warnings and continue to make peanut gallery comments in a Support specific room when there are plenty of other less serious rooms to make peanut gallery comments in

<x​mrscott:monero.social> Ruck is not an alt of mine; I can't comment on why they left

<y​asabi:matrix.org> 🙄

<x​mrscott:monero.social> Ruck is not an alt of mine; I can't comment on why they left Edit: To clarify, not saying Ruck is one period. Commenting that I'm not Ruck, so I can't speak to Ruck's decisions

<y​asabi:matrix.org> I'm a fan of Grin's Code of Conduct, itself influence by Mozilla's: grin.mw/policies/code_of_conduct

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Fck off. Ask rav and siren

<y​asabi:matrix.org> it clearly defines its own scope in as minimalistic a way as possible, and its enforcement guidelines are structured as such to dissuard the potential for abuse by mods which so many here claim is their primary concern.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> For matrix and IRC this is actually a great policy

<y​asabi:matrix.org> *dissuade

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I said can you unban him cause he was stufd to do for community

<y​asabi:matrix.org> it describes but does not mandate positive behavior, but succinctly defines what is unacceptable

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> What is the license ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> if there is one for a code of conduct

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It's apparently based on contributor covenant which is CC BY 4.0 License. I'll use that as a basis for my proposal

You could just take the first two paragraphs and then say if people don't act accordingly there is a three strike rule. Then bans. 1 day. 7 days. 30 days. 180 days, and so on.

And if people complain it's too "woke", then just boil it down to this: "We, as contributors, want to make participation in our community a harassment-free experience for everyone. Act accordingly".

<3​21bob321:monero.social> So will there be a monero kangaroo court too?

99 xmr donation to the GF 0_0

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Waste

y not 100?

tii

too predictable

Doner is broke

that was their last 99 moneros

We're screwed

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Döner > Donor

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doner_kebab > GF

<n​o_2:matrix.org> xmrscott @xmrscott:monero.social: can you see my direct messages? I wanted to discuss marketing with the basic swap team.

<n​o_2:matrix.org> Basic swap is adding new coins and it's a great place to swap XMR from your own wallet.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> KebabFund >GF

it's late. Forgive me. What's a typo between ~*friends*~ random people on the internet

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> we do kebabs now?

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> How can I invest?

<p​reland:matrix.org> Lol

<p​reland:matrix.org> Btw Uniswap getting a Wells notice is probably something we should have on our radar, even though it’s ETH (eww)

<p​reland:matrix.org> If a decentralized exchange can be properly punished by authorities….

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> 9front.org/coc

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> (refresh page multiple times)

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> gigachat based sqlite obviously

<m​rcyjanek0:matrix.org> gigachad based sqlite obviously

<s​hortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Is it actually decentralized though? I've heard about some Uniswap company or something that is in charge of it, which is who they sent the Wells notice to.

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> personal favorite

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> image.png

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> how tho, if uniswap takes the site down people can still swap

<p​reland:matrix.org> The government likely knows this

<p​reland:matrix.org> So why are they still going forward with it? That’s my concern. They might know something that we don’t.

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<3​21bob321:monero.social> Save one spot for ccs wallet hacker

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/448

<3​21bob321:monero.social> New record?