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ofrnxmr
gf got enough donations today to fund all of the proposals + surplus (i didnt count, but im pretty sure it did)
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ofrnxmr
Matrix federation ruined the meeting
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ofrnxmr
(Nah, my bans did, but hey)
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ofrnxmr
We'll be back at 100mph in a sec
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luigi1111w
<ofrnxmr> gf got enough donations today to fund all of the proposals + surplus (i didnt count, but im pretty sure it did) <= irrelevant
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ofrnxmr
how so
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luigi1111w
<321bob321:monero.social> Rip voting <= there was a whole lot of voting
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ofrnxmr
If proposals were open, funds would have went there
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luigi1111w
ofrnxmr you have an uncanny ability to understand only things you want to
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luigi1111w
you have no idea if that is true
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ofrnxmr
Im yet to be off target
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dukenukem
twist truths too.
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luigi1111w
ofrnxmr> Again, whata with this faggot bullshit <= also this language is unwanted
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ofrnxmr
so is what responded to
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ofrnxmr
Maybe some moderate of socks is warranted
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ofrnxmr
dont play the homo card, as if i was speaking about gay ppl
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ofrnxmr
but sure, the language is bad regardless. 2 wrong dont make a right but if nobody will challenge wrong #1 im willing to expose the hypocrisy
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ofrnxmr
can s/faggot/insert_nasty_word = reeeeeeee
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ofrnxmr
"be the bigger man and walk away", and then you guys have a party
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luigi1111w
ofrnxmr> dont play the homo card, as if i was speaking about gay ppl <= libera policy
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luigi1111w
you need to choose nasty words that aren't slurs
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ofrnxmr
The f word isnt about gay ppl
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luigi1111w
I'm not arguing this with you, just giving you a warning
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ofrnxmr
"what ia this homosexual bs" seriously? Thats not what i said, and wouldnt make sense if it was
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ofrnxmr
But ok, ill use a different word. Dont want anymore alts whining like a bitch (female dog)
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dukenukem
nitter.poast.org/ofrnxmr/status/1775034577196560643 [ xmrscott] 'This shithead is why we lost 2 devs this week (no, not me. 0xfffc and perfect-daemon)'
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ofrnxmr
0xfffx is back, ty ofrn
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ofrnxmr
Perfext daemon t-minus 4 days
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dukenukem
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<321bob321:monero.social> Rip
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<321bob321:monero.social> Voting on mrl yeah, not in community meeting?
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dukenukem
'After the Core Team has determined that the community has reached loose consensus, the MR is merged, and funding begins.'
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luigi1111w
no, voting on the CCS, though with approval from MRL
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luigi1111w
community meeting is not a hard requirement especially for something with such overwhelming support
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nioCat
I voted on the proposal
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ofrnxmr
So'k
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ofrnxmr
This is sarang
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luigi1111w
dukenukem> TIL xmrscott is a 0xfffc's relative!
repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/438#note_23760 <= learn something new every day
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ofrnxmr
Learn? Whattd you learn
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ofrnxmr
That im xmrscott? Maybe im 0x's son
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ofrnxmr
If you dont want him back, say so
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ofrnxmr
Go downvote his proposal, idiots
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ofrnxmr
Nobody is begging for rottens approval (or luigis)
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ofrnxmr
0x left cuz yall suck. Same as PD. 0 confidence in you
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ofrnxmr
you aka leadership
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> right, cuz luigi didnt lost 2600 XMR recently
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<321bob321:monero.social> We got interest on our investment
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> you sound like an idiot
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ofrnxmr
R4v3r23, dan i joking with you :D lol. Seriousky tho. March ended . Luigi's time with wallet is past due
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> is next wallet gonna be secured with airgapped QR?
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<321bob321:monero.social> Multi sign soon
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<321bob321:monero.social> I thought they were using your one
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luigi1111w
<r4v3r23:monero.social> is next wallet gonna be secured with airgapped QR? <= it is currently
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> GF could send anonero a lil thank you methinks then
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<321bob321:monero.social> Selling point
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<321bob321:monero.social> The wallet that helps people with bad opsec
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> its literally designed to prevent shit like that from happening
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<321bob321:monero.social> Gave you a tag line for your wallet
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<monerobull:matrix.org> monero.social is completely messed up
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<monerobull:matrix.org> stuff is just vanishing
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<ocean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> I can still see all your posts in the wallet thread
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> You can thx matrix.org that is batching monero.social messages, ignore some and forget some
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> Result is that monero.social perfectly see matrix.org users messages, but matrix.org users can't see anything coming from monero.social users
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ofrnxmr
The issue is matrix.org. use monero.social or literally any other homeserver
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midipoet
plowsof: can you please moderate the comments on CCS. It's out of hand now.
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<321bob321:monero.social> Meanwhile i cant register with email alias
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> except the trolling of @banofrn I don't really see what comment you want to moderate
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<321bob321:monero.social> Gitlab
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<keepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> It's happening. They're coming. SEC released a Wells notice against Uniswap and the some senators from the Treasury department in the US are requesting all validators for any cryptocurrency to have KYC.
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<keepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Warren (senator): "So Iran, which is subject to all kinds of sanctions, are making millions of dollars validating transactions all because we don’t have the tools to stop them?"
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<keepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Warren said there needs to be a regulatory framework in place for stablecoins and nodes that will subject users to AML laws.
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<keepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Monero is winning.
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<keepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> It's happening. They're coming. SEC released a Wells notice against Uniswap and some senators from the Treasury department in the US are requesting all validators for any cryptocurrency to have KYC.
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<keepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Warren (senator): "So Iran, which is subject to all kinds of sanctions, are making millions of dollars validating transactions all because we don’t have the tools to stop them?"
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<keepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Warren said there needs to be a regulatory framework in place for stablecoins and nodes that will subject users to AML laws.
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<keepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Monero is winning.
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<detherminal:matrix.org> fuck SEC, you cant stop a decentralized infrastructure
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<detherminal:matrix.org> these mfs want everything to be traced
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<detherminal:matrix.org> so they can use the data against their own people
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<keepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> They can for Ethereum. A public ledger is vulnerable. Nodes that don't comply get fucked
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<detherminal:matrix.org> not really, what will happen if i run my node in afghanistan
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<keepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> There will be a US chain for US users. Like Binance US. If you're caught using an afghanistan node you're labelled a terrorist and will face "AML laws"
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<detherminal:matrix.org> i will get 80 years for pinging afghanistan lol
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<keepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> I'm only assuming here. Don't know what they're actually going to try and do
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plowsof
Midipoet will have time later today (on gitlab itself yes?)
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<keepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> I think midipoet is talking about this
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<keepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Haveno is almost out. Really close to releasing. Keep an eye out for the release:
haveno.exchange &
github.com/haveno-dex/haveno
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> duality.cleaned.png
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<thorii:matrix.org> Thanks, this looks promising 😀
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<keepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> It really is. Best thing about it is that the code is already out for mainnet testing. The binaries (so you can install and use it) are pending still but these are expected to release soon. I'd estimate within a couple of days at most.
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<keepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Adding on, if you haven't heard about it already there is another DEX called Serai that may come out this year. It will allow crypto-to-crypto swaps without KYC and with full decentralization (low fee of 0.6%):
serai.exchange
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<keepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Monero will no longer need a CEX soon
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midipoet
I just wonder how noob friendly the DEX platforms will be.
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<keepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Serai will be noob friendly because it will be possible to create a frontend with the tools they give. Haveno is similar to Bisq/Localmonero which are not the best in terms of friendliness but with enough guides and tutorials I think they should be
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<keepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> haveno-ts exists nvm!
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plowsof
+300 xmr to the GF 0_0
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<keepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Someone is watching closely
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<keepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> When do these funds get used?
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> Maybe the person who took the CCS money longed btc and now is taking profit in the GF, can only speculate
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> A good way to finance monero that would have been refused if he did ask instead of do 😂
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<keepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> From the start of April until now 1231 XMR has been donated. Most I assume are coming from this generous person. Almost $170k USD
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<keepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> I'm not counting the smaller donations. Total amount is slightly larger than this.
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<shkeezy:matrix.org> what does a typical month of donations look like
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<keepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Nothing like this. What we're seeing here is special. A very rough estimate for March is 384.02 XMR
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<keepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> March also included 100 XMR donations similar to the ones in April though
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<keepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Does anyone have logs for the offtopic Monero channel?
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DataHoarder
yes, it's offtopic
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<dave.jp:matrix.org> Won’t be surprised if these donations are coming from instant exchangers like exch.ch who is making a killing with fees
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<keepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> @datahoarder:monero.social Where? I can't see anything on monerologs
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<dave.jp:matrix.org> Won’t be surprised if these donations are coming from instant exchangers like exch.cx who is making a killing with fees
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plowsof
exch dot cx do not trust the release binaries. so i doubt they would be doing this. Although they are a sponsor of monerokon
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<j0j0xmr:monero.social> Surely these can be used to fund FCMP and Seraphis?
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plowsof
As mentioned in the last transparency report, things often get funded by the community too quick before the GF can make a contribution
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plowsof
Core decides what/how much/when to disperse funds from the GF
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<keepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> If a situation happens where the GF is given an absurd amount of XMR like 10K, is core still allowed to use this or are amounts like these seen as suspicious?
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plowsof
Sometimes, people accidentally send funds to the GF , and if they ask for a refund quick enough/provide evidence then theyre returned. Other than this i can only speculate what they would do with a massive donation like that
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plowsof
I would assume there would be a 'who did this? Have they asked for something to be done with the funds? No? Its been x months.. ok theyre ours now'
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plowsof
Used for recurring infra costs
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DataHoarder
as in, personal IRC logs. monerologs logs a small subset only
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<keepofrnbanned:bitcoinist.org> Okeydokey
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plowsof
Fluffy has a general fund work group suggestion in his disband core issue. I had mentioned that this group would suggest pre funding x% of proposals from the GF before theyre put to the community but the sentiment wasnt in favour of this. Recently some MRL members mentioned controlling a slush fund. Seemed similar
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ofrnxmr
Gf voted against funding fcmp
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ofrnxmr
And keepofrnbanned > how u gonna get haven( without me? (tldr: youre not)
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ofrnxmr
core / binartlyfate does whatever he wants with gF. Usually subsidizing core dev ccs proposals (byt fcmp was the opposite. Was given stipulations aka a timeframe to gather funding, was not funded by gf)
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ofrnxmr
And i had to argue w luigi to even get it merged
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ofrnxmr
why is keepofrnvanned allowed in here>
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ofrnxmr
Wtf kinda bullshit handle is that,. Can i make one that says "suckmydickloser"
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ofrnxmr
Double standard much?
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ofrnxmr
"When do these funds get used?" When binaryfate decides to be active
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ofrnxmr
Or when he needs to reimburse credit card
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ofrnxmr
(tldr: read the transparency reports)
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ofrnxmr
Its not _our_ fund, its his
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plowsof
Ive not got to the ccs comments yet. Keepofrnbanned appears to be trolling id just ignore / be proud an account was made for me
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ofrnxmr
Keepofrn, are you going to boycott haveno due to my involvement?
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ofrnxmr
Ofrn everything is banned
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ofrnxmr
Id be flattered if my matrix accounts were given similar treatment
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ofrnxmr
But this is #1 bullshit
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ofrnxmr
The onky ofrn allowed in here, is someone who wants to slander MY NAME
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nioCat
GF didn't have time to fund the FCMP CCS as it was insta funded with 1 donation
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ofrnxmr
they tols fcmp "you have 8 weeks to raise funds take it or leave it" @niocat
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nioCat
there was hesitation from many to merge it including some MRL people
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ofrnxmr
Rucknium only
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ofrnxmr
Many = midipoet
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nioCat
koe
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ofrnxmr
i was on call with koe and kaya
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nioCat
I just read what koe wrote in MRL
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nioCat
I don't have a bat phone
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ofrnxmr
but yeah, now rucknium has a ccs for resident statistician (merge)
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<dave.jp:matrix.org> Doesn’t fluffy/mymonero keeps paying those bills ? Hence the honeypot is still on getmonero
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<aremor:matrix.org> plowsof: who decides what gets merged?
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midipoet
diego: are you purposely being a cuntbag?
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luigi1111w
<ofrnxmr> Wtf kinda bullshit handle is that,. Can i make one that says "suckmydickloser" <= A little vulgar. You could try "bankeepofrnbanned"
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luigi1111w
<nioCat> GF didn't have time to fund the FCMP CCS as it was insta funded with 1 donation <= +1
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midipoet
luigi1111: oh only now we are calling out th3 cuntbags
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luigi1111w
<dave.jp:matrix.org> Doesn’t fluffy/mymonero keeps paying those bills ? Hence the honeypot is still on getmonero <= I don't think mymonero sponsors anything anymore
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midipoet
Good we have some spine here still
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luigi1111w
what did diego do
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midipoet
He is a cuntbag
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luigi1111w
what is the context for your statement?
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midipoet
doesn't matter. You're just as much a cuntbag as him
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endogenic
mymonero isnt necessarily a honeypot - although it's a nice explanation, people also act viciously towards others to prevent themselves from having to become aware of their own subconscious. a control mechanism, projected outwards. cluster b stuff
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endogenic
fame, grandiosity, power, money, and who knows what else
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endogenic
just saying, remember i gave 4 or more years of my life to the same infrastructure and i saw / heard about zero sale of the keys - although that may just be because i'm obviously motivated by my conscience and rightness instead
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endogenic
but remember y'all: you also all let this happen
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endogenic
you sat in comfort
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endogenic
i did tell you something was seriously wrong and got thrown under the bus even by hy c for it lol
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endogenic
"that's not how business works" el oh fuckin el
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endogenic
thot this was a freedom project for humanity
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endogenic
a dedicated member of your community was literally blackmailed in your ccs while standing up for you
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endogenic
4 years have passed
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ofrnxmr
LUIGI BRO
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ofrnxmr
Fuck your double standard
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ofrnxmr
CUNT is as vulgar as N***er or FAGGOT
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ofrnxmr
midi gets free pass but never done nothing to contribute. Votedagainst fcmp, tried to cancel plowsof
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ofrnxmr
Bad actor all day
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ofrnxmr
Gets to say crazy ass insults, but bcuz midi is generally a pussy, its ok. I really dont take offence, but fk your doubke standard
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luigi1111w
it wasn't my standard, and I also disagree, though do not prefer that language
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ofrnxmr
prefer?
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ofrnxmr
Its as bad as faggot
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ofrnxmr
Wheres the warning?
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ofrnxmr
Rules for ofrn, not for anyone else
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ofrnxmr
Ill be happy if you say "midi, dont say that. warning" or some shit that makes you sound at least a tiny bit impartial
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ofrnxmr
Nit "how is diego a cunt"
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ofrnxmr
tf???:?
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luigi1111w
ofrnxmr> Its as bad as faggot <= I disagree. I don't have a list of approved words. It might be easier if there was.
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ofrnxmr
you dont have to agree. Ive watched peopke get stabbed over goof and cunt
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ofrnxmr
im telling you, cunt is as bad (worse) than faggot
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ofrnxmr
Faggot meant cigarette at some point. Cunt is one of the worst things one can say
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luigi1111w
midipoet please use better language
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ofrnxmr
Nono
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ofrnxmr
Warn
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luigi1111w
actually let's just mute you both for awhile
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luigi1111w
endogenic you speak in riddles. I'm afraid none of us quite understand you now or then
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endogenic
yeah, maybe that's because people can't speak freely when their lives are threatened
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endogenic
not that you would know anything about being a victim here
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endogenic
don't worry, big guy, I was just trying to give you a chance
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endogenic
and actually, you don't speak for everyone, I know very well by now that plenty of people know exactly what I'm talking about, and it's clear that you know what I'm talking about as well but that you're actually corrupt
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endogenic
I know that you're corrupt simply by what you just said to me
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endogenic
good luck trying to manipulate everyone. They're going to figure it out eventually and you're only hope is escaping in time.
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endogenic
unfortunately, it does work to manipulate people and all you have to do is fool them for long enough so that you can perpetrate your plan and escape from responsibility
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endogenic
It's not a riddle to say that crimes have been perpetrated. It's a simple fact. Blackmail is not a matter of opinion.
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endogenic
and you should honestly be ashamed of yourself, and you barely deserve the life that you have
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endogenic
enjoy it while you can
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endogenic
sociopath
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endogenic
is there playbook not obvious to everyone by now? Their whole point is to upset people who still have any shred of humanity left and drive them away so that they can continue.
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endogenic
their
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endogenic
that's the external locus of control
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endogenic
because inside they're actually insecure
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luigi1111w
<endogenic> and it's clear that you know what I'm talking about as well but that you're actually corrupt <= news to me
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luigi1111w
who is they?
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endogenic
anyone know how to block ?
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endogenic
some other user keeps pestering me
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endogenic
there's this funny thing that happens where codependents dont know what narcissism is and they fall in with a narcissist, not knowing their attempts to impress the narcissist are actually causing the codependent to become narcissistically abusive to others too
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endogenic
do some basic research lol
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dukenukem
I have heard the my life's been threatened and I have tons of code ready to be shipped since about 2017.
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endogenic
cant receive OLD news if you already lost yourself
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dukenukem
Either show us the goddamn code or stfu.
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endogenic
no?
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endogenic
get your facts right at least
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endogenic
so who the fuck are you to demand anything from anybody.
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dukenukem
lol.
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endogenic
you're obviously a bad act
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endogenic
or
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dukenukem
Obviously a CIA agent.
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endogenic
only a dumbass would speak without knowing the facts. Or someone who actually knows the facts and is intentionally trying to conceal them in order to manipulate people.
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endogenic
are you even able to program? Maybe you're just upset that you can't do anything
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dukenukem
Idk, you started posting 100 messages in a row. Don't dish it if you can't take it.
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endogenic
OK, be the impression that I can't take it? I'm just tired of listening to your nonsense. I'd rather put some tape over your mouth instead.
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endogenic
what gave you the*
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endogenic
anyway see ya, idiot
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dukenukem
Admit you've been saying mUh LiFe hAs BeEn tHrEaTeNeD fOr YeArS.
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endogenic
Way to act in your own disinterest
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endogenic
actually dip shit it was, and I did it all for you too
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endogenic
for the sake of your own dignity, I'm just gonna stop there
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endogenic
I have better things to do anyway obviously
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endogenic
and you don't
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dukenukem
ok, but finish it with .bbl
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dukenukem
lol
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dukenukem
< endogenic> OK, be the impression that I can't take it? I'm just tired of listening to your nonsense. I'd rather put some tape over your mouth instead.
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dukenukem
look who's talking about nonsense!
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plowsof
Across the pond, 'see you next tuesday' is less of an offensive word, and more of a greeting but if we're being fair then no, bad midipoet!
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<123bob123:matrix.org> No fckn way
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<123bob123:matrix.org> What is this cia
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> damn. so much insults. Average IQ in this channel has dropped below 60 because of a small subset of mentally ill persons.
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luigi1111w
let's move on
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> alr
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<321bob321:monero.social> So you think a lush fund is ok? Bascially do what ever the fck i want.
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luigi1111w
you have one?
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<321bob321:monero.social> No endless money pit here
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revuoxmr
Revuo Monero. Issue 192: April 4 - 11, 2024.
revuo-xmr.com/issue-192.html
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> May I propose something that hopefully will lead this channel into the right track. Read out, tell me if I should stfu or elaborate.
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> Monero is a community-driven project, and therefore the cryptocurrency development, activities and health is based on its underlying community. One thing I observed from over a year now, is that we're all here for our passion for Monero, but beside we're very different a broad range of topic. This make sense as Monero's reach is world-wide. This also difficult, because by the natu<clipped messa
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> re of its use, we're all kinda opinionated/hardened.
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> While I don't agree with ofrnxmr, the involvement of its friends and supporters for defending a clearly out of the rules CCS, we have to admit there exist a clear division in people's thinking. At least in the matrix community. When we have a community that is both different but still have the same goal, we need rules. But now authoritarian ones for say, but guidelines.
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> I don't know what happened for Meta and MRL repo to be closed, but I propose we discuss next meeting the creation of a community guideline, that would cover both CCS, Moderation and other topics the community might wish. The goal isn't to create a law book, it should defend a certain flexibility in some cases. But the goal is that whenever something is going out of reach, we based<clipped messa
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> ourselves back on the guideline.
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> To be clear, everyone could participate by making PRs, discuss about it and at very specific periods of times/window, make the community vote each opened PRs (maybe using ring ??). The moderation rules between matrix channels/IRC and the repo would be different, such that even banned people can express their voice
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> Again, read out when you have time, and tell me If I should stfu or elaborate
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<321bob321:monero.social> Ofrn and friends sound like a tv show
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> > But now authoritarian ones for say, but guidelines.
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> But not*
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nioCat
the following book should be required reading "All I Really Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten"
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> thanks for the reference. TIL
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> 1 hour later: seen by 8 people on matrix, probably a little more on IRC. I don't want to misunderstand that silence. Should I open a github issue on meta repository ? Or even a repo ? So that anyone can come discuss their ideas at their own rhythm ?
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<321bob321:monero.social>
monero-project/meta #899
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<321bob321:monero.social> Like this?
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> This is unfortunately too specific and prone to contentious.
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<321bob321:monero.social> Sure
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> Alright, I opened a repository:
github.com/SyntheticBird45/monero-community-guideline
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> When you have time, you can come in, open an issue and talk about an issue, and propose a solution
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> When you have time, you can come in, open an issue and talk about a problem, and propose a solution
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> I mean you're not obligated to propose a solution
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> I've a life so volunteers to be moderator can dm to discuss access
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> to be moderator are appreciated and can dm me*
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> I hate phone keyboard
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<anxietyinducing:matrix.org> What dimm
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<anxietyinducing:matrix.org> You think what's more anonymous paycash in person or pay cash by mail
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<anxietyinducing:matrix.org> What do you think
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luigi1111w
syntheticbird: volunteers to be moderator of what?
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<anxietyinducing:matrix.org> Ja
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luigi1111w
oh the repo ok
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midipoet
Right, so we have established there is moderation
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midipoet
Now, is it possible to establish general rules/guidelines, or are we still figuring that out?
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luigi1111w
seems like synthetic is trying to organize something
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midipoet
It's a bit late, don't you think?
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luigi1111w
I'd prefer it to be a monero-project repo if it's to govern monero community
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luigi1111w
why too late
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midipoet
Fair enough, you're right. It's not too late, and we haven't wasted far too much time and energy on what should be a pretty simple mod policy and pretty simple enforcement. Let's instead now see how long it takes for the community to form consensus on the rules, and praise leadership for the stewardship shown so far.
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luigi1111w
no need for the last part. Rest sounds reasonable
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<321bob321:monero.social> Could of made an issue in the actual monero meta that it needs to be applied too
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<321bob321:monero.social> Consensus will be met at the same time as the disbanding workgroups are made.
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<321bob321:monero.social> Soon™️
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luigi1111w: sorry, there absolutely is need for the last part. Either we have a mod policy or we don't. Either is fine. Just decide. The in between is purgatory, born from a third indecision, a third ignorance, and a third sloth.
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luigi1111w
"and praise leadership for the stewardship shown so far." this part
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<sgp_:monero.social> He was being ironic
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luigi1111w
I would say sarcastic
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<sgp_:monero.social> Yeah that
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<321bob321:monero.social> Like irc nothing will change
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midipoet
321bob321: we can't form workgroups, because nobody has pushed the existing issue that is on meta
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midipoet
If someone pushed that forward, we might get somewhere
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> I would be okay with it. If you have the right to do so
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luigi1111w
is that to me?
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> ?
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> like. I meant, if there is a way to migrate this repo to monero-project organization
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> idk I thought you proposed to migrate it. It doesn't imply you being mod of anything
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luigi1111w
yes that should be easy, I think
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midipoet
I suggested a first step, which was that existing members of Core (all of them) outline which workgroups they want to be part of (if any). That would help the rest of the community understand where support is needed, and what exact tasks need to be taken on by other community members.
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> well, i agree with that. please add it to the repo so people start having topics to eat up
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> or I can open an issue for you
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luigi1111w
I forked it and made you maintainer
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> Thanks Luigi. Core team is also invited to open issues, just in case
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luigi1111w
.bbl
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> ah. issues are disabled
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<321bob321:monero.social> You are incharge of monero HR
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<321bob321:monero.social> Gl
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<321bob321:monero.social> You’ll need it
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<321bob321:monero.social> Can i say that the fastest i have seen core move. Like it was planned 😉
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nioCat
Confirming: I am 100% sloth
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<321bob321:monero.social> Ccs inbound for maintainer ?
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midipoet
sloths don't need much maintenance, except they can sometimes get a bit stinky if they don't wash, as they aren't like cats that clean themselves.
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<kayabanerve:matrix.org> I'm unsure the definition of on call. ofrnxmr did reach out. I did not assign weight to that professionally. Solely as anyone could reach out, check, and express their opinion.
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<kayabanerve:matrix.org> If you have to censor one of those three, it's the worst.
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<kayabanerve:matrix.org> I'll repeat I stand against the CCS so heavily under discussion so long as it ascribes itself the roles it does, as it shouldn't.
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<kayabanerve:matrix.org> Regardless of if ofrnxmr is right or wrong, it's clear it's far too contentious and not moving forward to merge a document on a platform managed by core requesting such membership. That'd imply it's a legitimate request actively under consideration, or even that funding the CCS will grant them that position. I do know that specific request has its own wording caveating there, yet <clipped message>
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<kayabanerve:matrix.org> the spirit of my words applies to that and the rest of the requests.
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<kayabanerve:matrix.org> Given the lack of milestones, and the requests, I'd want severe editing at least, and ofrnxmr soliciting donations in general (not CCSs).
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<kayabanerve:matrix.org> Also, in retrospect, the main issue with my CCS delays was it being hacked IMO. I'm not requesting anyone be mad on my behalf.
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<kayabanerve:matrix.org> Also, Monero does have a CoC.
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<kayabanerve:matrix.org> > Administrators SHOULD block or ban “bad actors” who cause stress and pain to others in the project. This should be done after public discussion, with a chance for all parties to speak. A bad actor is someone who repeatedly ignores the rules and culture of the project, who is needlessly argumentative or hostile, or who is offensive, and who is unable to self-correct their beh<clipped message>
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<kayabanerve:matrix.org> avior when asked to do so by others.
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<kayabanerve:matrix.org> would be the section arguably justifying mods who prior advocated removal of ofrnxmr.
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> kayabanerve comment in the MR wen?
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<kayabanerve:matrix.org> I say arguably because I really don't want to get involved with this. I do believe ofrnxmr qualifies as offensive, and I believe not only have many people agreed, they've personally stated they themselves are.
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<kayabanerve:matrix.org> I just got all the monero.social messages, apologies for talking potentially independently to the active discussions.
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<kayabanerve:matrix.org> When I remember to log in to GitLab.
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<xmrscott:monero.social> No need to apologize; shouldn't be an expectation for a 24/7 online presence to engage in a conversation right as it happens. Matrixorg's application firewall induced latency is a mess anyways and I've seen within my client a striped pattern of Today | Yesterday | Today | Yesterday | Today timestamps which makes following conversations less than ideal
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<321bob321:monero.social> So the issue here is you say something you get muted
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scoobybejesus
yeah, and luigi's been doing that consistently too much over the last 10 years. i don't understand why we put up with it. maybe his pay should be reduced or eliminated to punish him
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n1oc
Rucknium Statistical Research is now fully funded!
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<rucknium:monero.social> w0w :D
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<rucknium:monero.social> Thank you all donors!
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Generalized Bulletproofs Security Proofs is now fully funded!
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