<p​rancing389:matrix.org> bitchute.com/video/HWv9mMLpANMD

<p​rancing389:matrix.org> While privacy advocates in the Bitcoin community are being arrested, shock waves reverberate across the entire crypto community, but there's one crypto that anticipated this long ago and has worked tirelessly to build tools that protect privacy.

<p​rancing389:matrix.org> Monero was built for this hostile environment, ensure freedom and privacy do NOT die in DARKNESS.

<p​rancing389:matrix.org> watchmanprivacy.com/2024/05/09/101-samourai-wallet-arrested

<p​agebank:matrix.org> wag1

Meeting in 2 hours~ monero-project/meta #1002

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Meeting time, greetings! monero-project/meta #1002 follow on monerologs.org if you're on matrix dot org 👍️

hi

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> hi

hi

<l​m:matrix.baermail.fr> hello

<m​ichael:monero.social> Hello.

quite alot has happened over the previous 2 weeks

hi

another spam attack? Local monero winding down? localmonero.co ... the exact reasons are still speculation. andrea released a nice blog about recent events which could have had an effect [mises.org](mises.org/mises-wire/arrest-samoura…overnment-hates-privacy-and-freedom)

Haveno soon?

<h​into:monero.social> hello

Geonics film ft. Monero in the news [decrypt.co](decrypt.co/229739/monero-backed-fil…e-injustice-mexican-american-border)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Seems like a lot of people are gonna be late. We lost our schedule over one week without meeting 😝

moneros mustery resource issue with many large tx's in mempool??

cuprate project has began their weekly meetings also?

a full ccs ideas page ccs.getmonero.org/ideas (some causing quite the stir!)

bounties site going well.. in fact the next payout due is for tobtoht for adding manual / fee tiers into feather

and one funding required ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/selsta-13.html

kuno had a scammer, tldr is he approached merchants with some monero stickers and a fake story about a prize draw... took some videos in the venue... and obtained some donations... the vendors had no idea he was claiming to have onboarded them ehh

<r​ucknium:monero.social> The Solve4Monero funding proposal was rejected by the MAGIC Monero Fund: MAGICGrants/Monero-Fund #28#issuecomment-2089113586 "The main concerns of the committee members were about the lack of experience of the programmers involved, the fact that the open source license status of the project is unclear, and some members thought the proposal filled a niche<clipped message>

<r​ucknium:monero.social> that other projects already filled."

thanks niocCat, Raised 130 of 159 XMR.. can the general fund beat the donors this time?

nioCat: ty for posting

thanks for the update on that Rucknium

any other recent events people wish to bring up?

<c​t:xmr.mx> hello, sorry for beeing late

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> G4 Geostorm might bring monero.social instance down later in the day apparently

monero moon published an issue after some inactivity themoneromoon.com/p/the-monero-moon-issue-65

and revuo monero from rottenwheel is continuing strongly with regular articles revuo-xmr.com

ah yes, Datahoarder mentioned that, thanks syntheticbird , hopefully it doesnt cause any other issues

G5 now :)

i assume the increasing number means is more bad instead of more .. not bad

no more glitching so far, seems it was just the initial upset event that caused reorg of the grid

<r​ucknium:monero.social> IIRC, it's the the IRC<>Matrix bridge that could be affected, not the monero.social Matrix server.

it was G5 already, just *again* G4/G5

and yep, just stuff that was hosted by me

if it's seen again overnight I'll try to send an update, but seems ok now

would a potential ccs protect m=relay from the sun?

hide it behind a solar panel?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> now that's some ccs optimization

should we move into the ccs ideas unless there are other things to touch on?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> we can move on

5. [CCS updates](ccs.getmonero.org) | Payout requests: [selsta](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/433#note_24314) / [0xffff](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/429#note_24315) /

[j-berman](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/426#note_24319) / [hinto](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/422#note_24368)

those awaiting payout still i can poke the luigis / or feel free to poke yourselves now merge list

a. [Seraphis General Paper Review](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/441)

seems like this proposal is going to be closed judging by some passing coments in no wallet left behind .. but we dont need to discuss in detail here

b. [Droplet - A New Easy To Use Mobile Wallet](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/445)

merge / close please vote

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> merge

dethe talented dev, the current proposal just doesnt seem to be a hit at this moment.. close

<c​t:xmr.mx> huh, i kinda thought it was decided to be closed for now?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> fair enough.

<c​t:xmr.mx> dethe said: >It was initially planned as RPC, but looks like this proposal will get closed unfortunately. The project isn't over, I have much bigger plans including LWS wallet

yeah just re airing in case

id like to see a return... maybe with some basic features / beginnings of lws support (we dont have any LWS wallets other than mymonreo)

lets move on

c. [New Monero Website](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/450)

popular idea, plenty of updoots

i was in favour of just the first milestone and adjusting of the rates/hours in the comments there

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> afaik the issue with second milestone is that janaka wanted to use AI to serve as a basis right ?

<r​ucknium:monero.social> "Ensure validated, accurate, up-to-date content, with all links working." Does this mean that all links/URLs in the current website will stay alive? I hope so. Even if those pages are not reachable from the new website. The pages may be linked from other resources outside of the website.

basically the whole things ,, a website written in astro, with no uh content management system (a suggestion was given by siren to go with something else)

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> +1 for website

all links working -> theres some automated github / accout who points out broken links

<s​iren:kernal.eu> my suggestion (imo a must) is using a site generator such as hugo and vitepress

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what is a content management system in this context

<s​iren:kernal.eu> it's a site generator

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I disagree with Siren Astro is already a good SSG that ship zerojs by default. Hugo and vitepress have less features and ergonomics

enter astro and content management system in a search engine

thats why i say its premature

<s​iren:kernal.eu> you're comparing pears to apples

the proposor would come out of the gate with all this

<h​into:monero.social> does core (or whoever deploys to monero-site) have any opinion on this? I would assume they would have to adjust to these changes

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I don't care but most people out there would want to write posts in markdown

<s​iren:kernal.eu> if it can do that much, it's acceptable

if the proposal is put forward, i fear we may get a pretty looking english site which needs to be remade from the ground up to itegrate it into some CMS thing .. more dissapointment for donors who wonder why isnt the new site deployed on getmonero

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Astro support markdown -> pages out of the box.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> yes so it's not difficult to reinvent the wheel here a little and make it behave like a site generator

<s​iren:kernal.eu> but for the time being it is not rendering from markdown github.com/Janaka-Steph/monero-webs…ain/src/pages/community/index.astro

premature proposal from someone who hasnt contirbuted to the current monero-site (pull request/review/comments), dropping to 1st milestone rates/hours adjustment is my opinion. if the proposal as whole is ok then share your approval

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I think it would have been great if janaka was here to respond. There is not much we can discuss since he is the one that will ultimately write everything. We need to know whats his opinion on using hugo or other SSG, or if he is willing to adapt its Astro project to mdx pages

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I think the proposal is ok, so maybe not merge but at least don't close it

ch3003 ack'd there would be a meeting today, but did not attend lets move on libera.monerologs.net/monero-site/20240508#c374507

d. [How to mine Monero guide](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/451)

moneroguides are back. i likes their previous series. calm and collected instructions

the 2 scripts / drafts for the proposed videos are already up , linked in the proposal github.com/moneroguides/2x01-mining-basics/blob/main/script.md / and github.com/moneroguides/2x02-setting-up-your-rig/blob/main/script.md (mining related)

hinto i will check sites back end admins opinion on this (new monero site)

if this is the first you are seeing these scripts then a proof read / thoughts may be too short notice. but they are there and awaiting feedback :)

we can move on unless someone has thoughts to share?

<r​ucknium:monero.social> This script combines how to mine Monero with why to mine Monero (besides the profit motive). Is that intended?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> The video assume you've watched their video on Monero concepts. I believe it is intended

<r​ucknium:monero.social> It seems like a long script for someone who wants to click a few buttons to start earning money with their CPU.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> I'm not against it. Just an observation.

they may just join the matrix mining group and ask "how do i mine with my gpu?" instead? it happens still

alot of people are impatient yes

<c​t:xmr.mx> but you only earn money with your cpu if you know what you are doing

so a note about the video length (if its too long)

im confident in the wuality of the previous works to gather feedback from the community to create some videos we want. its a small shame they decided the topics without asking first but here we are

quality*

<c​t:xmr.mx> if you open monero gui and click "mine" you most likely loose money against all the other highly optimized setups unless your power is free. So yeah, a thorough guide that is easy to digest might be worth it

mining / how to mine are hot topics

<c​t:xmr.mx> will read the scripts after this meeting

thanks. i think we can move on and let the proposal gather feedback

<r​ucknium:monero.social> ceetee.mx: The draft script talks about how mining difficulty is calculated in detail, for example.

too long, maybe too many details.. could it be condensed

<l​m:matrix.baermail.fr> specially if it's an "introduction" video

moving on for now, good points

e. [j-berman full-time development (3 months)](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/453)

its j-berman

<r​ucknium:monero.social> +1 j-berman merge

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> auto-merge

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> couldn't have said it better: auto-merge

<c​t:xmr.mx> merge

<c​t:xmr.mx> new rates are fair

<r​ucknium:monero.social> I do not agree with the comments on the CCS about the cost. Good programmers who can work with Monero's C++ code are valuable.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Yes

<c​t:xmr.mx> ofrn asked, and got a very good detailed explanation

<c​t:xmr.mx> elaborating why the cost is fair

<r​ucknium:monero.social> And they could be working for someone else. j-berman worked for Haven (not Haveno) in 2021, a fork of Monero.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> There are many forks of Monero and cryptonote that could attract Monero protocol developers.

thanks for the feedback. i would say the self promotions every quarter are not realistic for the long term (in other places where market rates are given 2-5 % yearly or 10%? for a promotion is more realistic

but the current rates are great / still awesome value. jberman is not only a developer

<c​t:xmr.mx> i think we got a great deal before, and those were "get to know each other" rates

i think we can move on with 5 mins left as to not go over too much

f. [I2P SAMv3](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/454)

i have no problem skipping this proposal, as theres a gaping "to be decided" (the person who will actually do the work)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you can skip

g. [hinto-janai full-time work on Cuprate (3 months)](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/456)

<r​ucknium:monero.social> IMHO, this proposal gives great detail, but it is missing info about the bigger picture. What's the benefit/downsides of having an integrated vs non-integrated i2p? What's the security model of nodes inside i2p? What about i2p nodes being cut off from the clearnet Monero network?

thanks Rucknium, great points

<r​ucknium:monero.social> I didn't check hinto's work on database, but I think supporting cuprate is important because the C++ `monerod` has a lot of technical debt and bottlenecks that we are discovering with the unusual transaction loads recently.

hintos github shows his insane activity, not surprised a reduction in hours is requested.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> hinto-janai did an excellent work last CCS and I would like to confidently say auto-merge. They have explained their new rates in their gist. There is also a small delay (1 months) in which without hinto, boog900 will be alone working on cuprate

my only concern is that hinto is actively seeking other employment? what happens if one of the 16 job offers is too good to refuse. should the cuprate team not be seeking a replacement?

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Monero cannot scale with the current `monertod` codebase. Hopefully the C++ codebase will improve, but cuprate can help figure out better designs, discover where the bottlenecks in `monerod` are, and possibly provide a faster, more reliable remote node experience.

is that even a bad thing?

<r​ucknium:monero.social> `monerod`*

hinto will you leave us???? sir?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I can't speak for hinto, but yamabiiko and me will be working on Cuprate next month. So that's already a margin in case hinto decide to leave

stop applying for jobs when we're paying you to work on cuprate!!! :D

<h​into:monero.social> To clarify: only some of 16 jobs listed were offers, rest were either just a contact of interest from the company or me simply being interested in the job

<h​into:monero.social> I am not actively seeking employment and have not since last year October when I started discussing Cuprate's database with Boog900

ok thanks for clarifying and others for feedback

ofrnxmr's new idea.. we can skip and return after mentioning v1dos proposal

i. [v1docq47 - monerotopia 2023 (part 3) and monerokon 2023 (part 2) voiceovers and working on xmr.ru](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/458)

<s​iren:kernal.eu> even if you were seeking employment or were employed, we should be result oriented ;)

what usually happens for v1do's proposal is we reach out to the xmr.ru community and wait for some feedback.. it gets merged and funded. sound good?

<c​t:xmr.mx> sounds good

thank you for attending v1do!

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> v1docq48:

moving on to ofrnxmrs new proposal

h. [ofrnxmr feat. BasicSwapDEX - take over the world pt 2](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/457)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh boy

np, plowsof you can ping XMR.RU telegram

i have deleted the fake comment from tecnovert AND one other troll comment where they where going down a line of "i worked with hi privately and he scammed me! me too" without evidence. so i felt justified in removing.

ill add the news to the next issue of monero news (youtube)

will do v1do 👍

the rest ehh.. remain unless they too should be deleted, or preserved to show 'whats happening'

<c​t:xmr.mx> honestly I'd rather keep it

(from the sock accounts*) like.. the 'price went down' is gold

lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> As I said before, I've discussed with particl devs, and they weren't aware of ofrnxmr's CCS proposal. I can't share more informations about it, but my take is close it

syntheticbird reached out to the tecnodevs / ajs requested the comment in a gist to reveal the imposter

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> about it, at the moment*

<c​t:xmr.mx> there is some fuckery going on that is way worse then ofrn

<c​t:xmr.mx> i commented earlier today on the proposal

<c​t:xmr.mx> for now, I'd definitely keep it open just to see what happens next

i think 'that' situation there is almost seperate to the entire proposal (such an event can happen to any proposer) . we can filter certain alias email servers and require manual verification to dampen this in the future

<h​into:monero.social> has there been any public responses/confirmations from the BasicSwap devs about this proposal?

only that the account(s) did not belong to them. further, no public statement

<c​t:xmr.mx> so far i did not get a reply

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I asked to, but as you can see there are none yet, for good reasons. If the proposal isn't closed, it'll hopefully be more clear in the coming weeks

<c​t:xmr.mx> specifically, I texted the guy who was presenting at monerokon last year

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> @CryptoGuard:matrix.org is somewhat of a community/dev manager as i understand it and may have some comments

<c​t:xmr.mx> mentioning this so that we dont flood them with questions

ofrnxmr isnt here but he messaged me that cryptoguard would have something to say

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Yes, cryptoguard should be able to clarify

yeah they are/have already been at Monerokon (basicswap) , and recently listed on getmonero

<l​m:matrix.baermail.fr> regardless of what the devs of basicswap thoughts on it, the proposol is of low details with only information on distribution of the payout without explanation.

thanks for commenting on the gitlab ct

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> The current proposal is disastreous to say the least, that ofrn find an agreements with devs or not, the entire document have to be rewrite from scratch.

thanks for the feedback all so far

i think we can end it there while discussions continue?

adding a monerokon blog to site qould benefit from some feedback too monero-project/monero-site #2292

<c​t:xmr.mx> yeah i'm curious what happens in the time till next meeting

thank you all for attending and sorry for going over rushing over things >_<

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thanks

<c​t:xmr.mx> thanks for moderating plowsof

<m​ichael:monero.social> Dankon plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: and others, for the meeting.

<h​into:monero.social> thanks everyone

<a​js_:matrix.org> MoneroKon blog post is time sensitive, so feedback is a appreciated

<a​js_:matrix.org> MoneroKon blog post is time sensitive, so feedback is appreciated

<s​iren:kernal.eu> do eet

<s​gp_:monero.social> There's no good reason not to merge this imo

+1

<m​assivescam:matrix.org> **Question:** Replicating environment?

<m​assivescam:matrix.org> Dears,

<m​assivescam:matrix.org> There is a BTC setup which I personally enjoy:

<m​assivescam:matrix.org> - Tails;

<m​assivescam:matrix.org> - Electrum/Sparrow (only for visualization purposes); And

<m​assivescam:matrix.org> - Some air-gapped device for generating the xpub and signing transactions.

<m​assivescam:matrix.org> Note that, not in any moment the private key was inserted in any "connected" device.

<m​assivescam:matrix.org> For "replicating" such setup with monero, I having some difficulties, which I would like to ask here, so there follow some questions.

<m​assivescam:matrix.org> - Storing the monero blockchain in a portable storage with Tails (or another alternative) seems to be suitable, when a proper portable device is choosed, however, is there alternative for this? Or at least a recommendation? Like, using an external SSD, or whatever?

<m​assivescam:matrix.org> - As for the task of producing a visualization only environment, there is [this](reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/d4k87z/watch_only_wallets_in_monero) question made previously on reddit, however, I would like to know if someone has a more thorough compendium on this.

<m​assivescam:matrix.org> - For the air-gapped device, any comments on the MoneroSigner?

<a​rmpits1:matrix.org> massivescam why do you want to store the monero blockchain?

<a​rmpits1:matrix.org> Use the feather wallet and remote sync?

<a​rmpits1:matrix.org> Tails isn't meant to run a node/server

<r​ucknium:monero.social> massivescam: Feather wallet with remote nodes is a much easier setup. To do what you want: Sync the Monero blockchain to an _internal_ storage SSD on a normal operating system. Then copy to blockchain (in ~/.bitmonero (hidden directory) on Linux or monero.stackexchange.com/questions/…-is-the-blockchain-saved-in-windows for Windows) to an external SSD. Why sync an<clipped message>

<r​ucknium:monero.social> d then copy instead of syncing to an external SSD directly? Monero blockchain sync requires lots of random reads of the data while it is verifying the blocks. Using an external device will slow this down a lot. Then you can boot Tails from USB and attach the SSD with the blockchain as storage.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> For airgapped signing try ANONERO: monero.town/post/223593 . r4v3r23 can help you with that. MoneroSigner doesn't exist yet.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Feather wallet can do airgapped signing too.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> massivescam: Please reply that you've seen this message because messages to the matrix.org home server are delayed.

Of*rnxmrs scripts got a shoutout from S*th twitter.com/sethforprivacy/status/1788941462333259989

"LMAO"

<c​trej:matrix.org> In most cases you don't need a local node, in fact it may even reduce your privacy. For maximum privacy, connect to a Tor or i2p remote node.

<c​trej:matrix.org> If you must run a local node for whatever reason, you need a decent external ssd. I recommend at least 1TB pcie3 with apsm L1.2 support.

<c​trej:matrix.org> As far as I know MoneroSigner isn't production ready yet.

<m​assivescam:matrix.org> armpits1 and ceetee🇧🇪 , thank you so much by the answers, and sorry for the naiveness of my question, I am still a newbie on the theme. Concerning whether hosting/delegating a monero node, now it is much clear for me. But, in what regards the whatch only wallet, is there any tutorial on this? Thanks.

<c​trej:matrix.org> monerujo offers an option "restore view only wallet" and you are prompted to enter public address and view key

<c​trej:matrix.org> GUI wallet should have a similar function

<m​assivescam:matrix.org> thank u so much

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Clearly thats fake sith

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Please provide signed message

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Sheep

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> m.youtube.com/watch?v=oJqYzZyqyno&t=7s&pp=ygUHYW5vbmVybw%3D%3D

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> youtube.com/watch?v=oJqYzZyqyno&t=7s&pp=ygUHYW5vbmVybw%3D%3D

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> heres an excellent video tutorial on getting set up

What does sethforprivacy do now for privacy on Bitcoin?

hopefully get them to switch to morono

we have cookies i.imgur.com/g22h0Sk.png

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I think he was questioning it after samourai devs got arrested

come back, we also have drama

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Please look at all previous blog. There is no adverts on the technical website

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I heard drama

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Where?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Go back to secretly dming basicswap devs

s​yntheticbird was expecting some earlier today but .....

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Oh drama

*I was

<3​21bob321:monero.social> If your dming them why not make the discussion transparent.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Because they asked me not to, which is perfectly understandable

<3​21bob321:monero.social> K

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> That's why said during meeting. "I've no information to share at the moment"

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I’ll have to take your word for it

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> mostly clout farming

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Going to need a dictionary soon

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Yeah hopefully it won't take long for things to clarify. I don't like stating things like that without being able to give any proof.