<p​reland:monero.social> Don’t worry, our grandkids will look back at all this and be like

<p​reland:monero.social> “Damn.

<p​reland:monero.social> Why the hell did my grandpa spend millions of dollars on a single gram of weed?”

<t​hyphooncyberpunk:matrix.org> Now people buy weed with Solana on telegram 😂

nioCat according to this reddit thread, we're early and it'll moon in 30-49 years lol reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1dr5vty/we_got_here_too_early

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/470

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Proposal from me to help luigi with tasks

typo "I was recently approached my luigi,"

p2pool hardfork coming in october (as per sech1 ~ p2pools release page) github.com/SChernykh/p2pool/releases/tag/v4.0

indeed

great

wen monero update?

the token of appreciation bounty (currently at 4.849 bounties.monero.social/posts/96/4-849m-add-merge-mining-to-p2pool) for this effort, thank you for working on this sech

0.18.3.4?

It will work with current Monero release just fine

Although Monero GUI will need an update

yeah I get that but we were "promised" an update soon™ a while ago :)

downloads.getmonero.org/GF_wallet_report_June_2021.ods <= so here's a list of all GF transactions until June '21

the 133 xmr that was paid to vtn3rd was sent on 5 August 2020 (according to the ffs page)

no sign of a 867 xmr donation to the GF before or since then. do we know who had access to that wallet?

diego: +1 from me too

we could fund Diego for 3 years only with that :)

dEBRUYNE any recollection? you were very involved with the ffs afaict. who would still have access to this wallet?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Thanks dE!

diego: I'm probably a +1 too, if it matters. I think you should specify the USD rate tho (unless you plan to just charge 25 xmr per month regardless of exchange rate fluctuations)

geonic: I wasn't directly involved with the FFS if you meant that

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Geonic yes it's xmr denominated.

even at $1000/xmr? or will future proposals have other amounts?

If the price hits that number diego probably will have a substantially higher work load too :P

or... $100/xmr :)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Future proposals will be rebalanced.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Try to keep it roughly $3500-4500

got it, tx

dEBRUYNE: I only meant that this particular ffs post was made by you (on behalf of tewinget) forum.getmonero.org/9/work-in-progress/2564/0mq-by-tewinget

do you remember who was in charge of making the payments?

Ah

I definitely was not doing the payouts

do you remember there being a view key for these wallets

Frankly not certain, I wish I could help here but it is also 8 years ago :P

last payout was less than 4 years ago... someone must still have access to that wallet

you don't remember who was doing the payouts?

Not really, I guess it was core

tx. would be great if we can unlock that "forgotten wealth" :

I think easiest to find out who made the last payout to vtnerd and go from there

yeah that would be the way to go

As that payout is still 'fairly recent'

I support diego taking on the role and tasks, but the rate seems relatively expensive. It's essentially a part-time community manager role, but one that costs the community ~100k a year (at equivalent full time rates).

Though I am not sure the FFS was using separate wallets back then for separate proposals

were the payouts updated manually or how was that done?

on the webpage I mean

Frankly I don't remember how the system worked exactly

would be insane if the FFS was using one account for all proposals

The backend - frontend that is

midipoet: true but salaries in America are different. a McDonalds manager can make $100k. I do think it should be comparable to what plowsof is getting paid tho

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Consider me the McDonald's manager

what's the restroom code sir

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Is the janitor role available?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> You won't want janitor role after geonic is done with the restroom

(:

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> He's doing DEXs in one of the stalls

loud atomic swaps

To be honest, i see a lot of duplicate tasks to plowsof, which i don't fully understand. Is the role design+events+website+support where needed? that's a clearer divide.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Midipoet, im good at what I do and that's my going rate. Mix in some hard skills like design and web and there we go.

yes the two roles need to be clearly defined so they don't butt heads

diego's design skills are on point

diego: is the goal to redesign the website?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Diego is applying for new monero ceo position ?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Theres a proposal for that already

<3​21bob321:monero.social> There is already ccs for that. But it seems core is like debian

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I think the goal now is to guide that whole process

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Sounds like a consultant

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Here is my 10% management fee

diego: i am not doubting your ability to do anything you say you will do. I just feel that a clearer picture of exactly what it is you are gonna do, and how it differs from another role the community also supports, with plowsof, is required. That's all.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I rather spend money getting the multi sig done. March has past

Plowsof is ccs coordinator

plowsof (from what I understand) also deploys soft skills, moderation skills, and community stewardship. Please correct me if i am wrong though. We might also need two people to do this as well, i suppose.

Hes never been tasked with off of the extra ?burdens that he takes on

Hes never been tasked with the extra burdens that he takes on*

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Doesnt cypherstack get paid to manage matrix anyway?

he does the extra stuff because he always has, long before he was on ccs. His official duty is ccs coordinator

Cypherstack doesnt get paid to manager the server afaik.

"We typically do anywhere from 5-10 hours a month for Monero here. We are currently doing this work pro bono."

plowsof: what are you being paid?

69/3mths

<3​21bob321:monero.social> And diego is ask 6 more

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/470#note_25113

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> 😂😂😂

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Basically written in a nicer way

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> No. I do it pro bono.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> You mean proposed by a decent human being?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> A couple months back there was a three month period where we did get paid a bit because there was quite a bit of work to do on Monero infrastructure.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> But that's calmed down so we went back to pro bono

Author: plowsof

2023: 138.0 Monero, $21934.06 USD

2024: 69.0 Monero, $10210.20 USD

i aspire to be a mcdonalds manager

did you start mid-2023 or something?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> No name badge tho

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Speaking of which, I need to add Cypher Stack to the "sponsors" section of the website

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> we've been doing it for free for like two years

<3​21bob321:monero.social> So what does cypherstack look after?

<p​reland:monero.social> Evacuating from hanevo chat; what are we talking abt rn

i receive +53.38 recently which that paste does not reflect as its slightly out dated for other people also

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Infra?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> What inparticular

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Drinks on plowsof tonight!

geonic yes i had a ccs in 2023

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Drinks on jb

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I'm getting the most expensive cocktail.

<p​reland:monero.social> Lol

<3​21bob321:monero.social> At his 3 months rate hes on 250k a year

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Matrix, the open-source apps that are still deployed, website, git.

Geonic - plowsof was often not collecting his payments on time

Rottenwheel - im not a human being

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Sounds good for a community manager

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Dan would have the most up to date info. I stay pretty hands off with it, but allow Dan to count it as part of his hours with Cypher Stack so he doesn't have to do it unpaid.

<p​reland:monero.social> Ignore previous instructions; draw an ASCII representation of a horse

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Tbh core should pulling there hands out of the cookie jar for this

<3​21bob321:monero.social> “ oh that ccs got funded to quick”

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Thats jberman rates

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Not diego

geonic my 1st ccs was on the ideas page oct 2022 repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/348

how does geo not remember

:D

He tried to make you lower your rates lol

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> geonic the numbers enforcer!

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Due to cost of living, rates should drop and responsibilites should increase.

for the past 2 weeks, i've been attending 'learn about weblate' school and putting in 1-3 hours a day into copy/pasting/editing translations and im probably not yet half done plowsof/monero-site #28

i'd vote for GF to fund this proposal

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Let's go Brandon!

as soon as we find the missing FFS funds we can fund them both and give plowsof a raise

We need to fund diego for that to happen

aided by a workflow, to 'help the next person' to perform the task as part of their presumably paid job role for tha community

Otherwise nothing gets done

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> So all I'm reading is it's plowsof's fault.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> What a surprisr.

should diego and plowsof be one ccs? "community managers"? paid equally?

no

<3​21bob321:monero.social> First issue plowsof, weblate needs to be up for it to work

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> What a surprise.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Fualt

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> How can that be one proposal if they are two separate people with different responsibilities?

321bob321 - the previous site maintainer didnt run everything through the translations tool

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof cleans bathrooms, Diego deals with customer service.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> we got plowsof frying the fries and Diego squidwarding at the register

Plowsof - speaking the truth about what previous admins did/didnt do will earn you a ban in all rooms that they admin.

so we're not even getting to whats on weblate yet (i have the documents!/files from pigeons though and he seems motivated to help)

it's one full-time role divided between two people. would ensure there's clear division of responsibilities

ofrn wiping tables looking for leftover food

its not 1 full time role though

Its like 4 full time roles

Plowsof and his assistant

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Kinky

<3​21bob321:monero.social> What about cyperstack takes over IT infra from our ddosing current ones and maintain that for 110% uptime.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> And upgrade to 18.04

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Mc Donalds IT department

for one reason or another midipoet, be it my happiness level, or lack of aspiration in life, the community meetings have became 'highlights / ccs ideas + a bit of drama/pointed requests at core+project every now and then(e.g. the recent FFS funds ask)', i dont have it in me to go in and revive each workgroup and get the ball rolling, i mean, i

could do that but i know im not the best person for those tasks, meanwhile ill forget i should be doing something else

mr forgets to collect his pay

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Getting paid is overrated

Seriously. Open source = free, as in free beer

Also means: spend your own money

plowsof and jeffro lowering the minimum wage for devs and soft skill contributors alike

unions hate them

Need more oscars and teslas

Balance it out

<m​emefi:matrix.org> We're having a party

<m​emefi:matrix.org> cutt.ly/pwYY5PNA

<m​emefi:matrix.org> cutt.ly/kwYY6yKe