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<real_glitch:matrix.org> any updates from binaryfate?
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<shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> I'm opening a general store because it's about time that you were able to pay for the things that you need for your life with the currency you prefer.
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<diego:cypherstack.com> dEBRUYNE I just made a post for the CCS on the subreddit, and it says it's awaiting mod approval.
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monerobull ^
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<321bob321:monero.social> Send me 0.01xmr and i wont approve it
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<monerobull:matrix.org> i believe it is approved
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> 75 XMR for 3 months half-time job of moderating stuff ? too expensive in my opinion.
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> Did you meant 7,5 XMR ?
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> Did you mean 7,5 XMR ?
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Its not a job moderating, its a job coordinating various workgroups
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<321bob321:monero.social> Oh
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<321bob321:monero.social> What the fluffy proposed
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<321bob321:monero.social> Diego for monero ceo
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> Is it worth cryptographer money ?
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> we're talking 300 XMR (as of now, 51k USD) per year, and with experience we had with Diego in the past (money leech), I don't think it's worth it.
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<monerobull:matrix.org> its quite expensive
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> if people want to put money into it, i have nothing against - just don't fund it from general fund.
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<monerobull:matrix.org> yeah that wouldnt make any sense at all
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<321bob321:monero.social> I blame fcmp getting 2kxmr funding
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<321bob321:monero.social> All the oliver twists popping up
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> It's a job that only few people in the world can do, due to combination of knowledge required (cryptography, programming in C++ and deep understanding of Monero code)
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> the job Diego would do can be done by anyone
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<321bob321:monero.social> Its more that everyone saw that community dug deep
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> so it's not worth premium
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Beware the CIA sockpuppets creating division!
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Divide and conquer!
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> ok but what it has to do with what we're talking about here ?
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> wow so many achievements unlocked, thank you.
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midipoet
I think rotten is saying you're a community divider..
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<321bob321:monero.social> I suspect deigo’s ccs stems from luigi’s comments
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nioCat
to whoever said that McDonalds' managers make $100k/yr in the US
indeed.com/cmp/McDonald's/salaries/Manager
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nioCat
TLDR ~50k
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midipoet
I do think that 100k a year for a community steward is expensive. Honestly, i would do it for half the price AND it would allow me to quit my day job (which means you'd get a happier midipoet)
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<321bob321:monero.social> + 50k worth of big macs
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nioCat
not that it is a valid comparison for a salary lol
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> geonic got the numbers wrong for once!
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midipoet
Having said that, diego seems to have indicated they will do design, events, and web infrastructure work also, which does provide more benefit to the community.
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nioCat
are happy poets any good? lol
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> The cat has a point!
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midipoet
tortured are the best supposedly, but i am not into that stuff.
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<321bob321:monero.social> Kinky
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> McDonalds - working like a mule in greasy environment, while Diego offers his 15min on the toilet for what can be done by anyone
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midipoet
To be fair, diego has proved to be a very good community steward
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> he proved to be a thief
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> lol.
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midipoet
apart from the whole getting paid thing that hapoened
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*happened
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> no one remembers the past drama ?
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> ypavtv97lx is geonic confirmed.
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> him taking money from general fund for nothing ?
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Why don't you leave comments in the CCS proposal, sir?
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> We're dying to hear your productive thoughts!
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> I don't have account there
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midipoet
not sure how him being a steward impacts his ability to remain impartial on cypherstack projects, proposals, etc, but i am sure that bit could be figured out.
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<321bob321:monero.social> Create one
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nioCat
just one?
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<321bob321:monero.social> Yest
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plowsof
lol
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> the problem here is the 75 XMR, if it was lower for the job he suppose to be doing, I wouldn't mind
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dukenukem
For whom it may concern, Revuo Monero has an IRC channel that is bridged to a Matrix room. IRC channel: #revuo-xmr on libera.chat; Matrix room: @revuo:monero.social. Come hang if you want.
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> and he will not be full time even for this kind of money
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<monerobull:matrix.org> 7.5k per month from core for not providing transparency reports for months on end. i remember
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<monerobull:matrix.org> ill be community guy for 500 dollars
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<monerobull:matrix.org> im here anyways
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> there are plenty more people I would rather trust like you and other active people in the community that would do the job for much less (i'm sure)
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Gnarly.
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<monerobull:matrix.org> eww
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> That's my exact thought when I've seen the proposal
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> maybe that's just me by i have a rule to not make business with people who were caught lying.
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> maybe that's just me but i have a rule to not make business with people who were caught lying.
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> maybe that's just me but i have a rule to not make business with people who were caught lying / stealing.
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> over and out, do what you want with your money. just don't feed this leech from general fund.
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<321bob321:monero.social> Well gf is for hodl only
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<321bob321:monero.social> So that aint going to happen
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<ocean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> tfw diego was on gf payroll and poached one of our top guys for another project 😑
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<321bob321:monero.social> Or offered to pay?
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midipoet
I think cypherstack routinely employs people that have worked on Monero for contracts with other networks/currencies. Is that not their whole business model?
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midipoet
Also, it's worth noting that the researchers also want the work
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<321bob321:monero.social> Well isnt cyperstack doing the fmcp audits?
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<321bob321:monero.social> But people have an issue with diego
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<monerobull:matrix.org> i havent seen monero fall into chaos ever since we stopped paying 7.5k per month so i dont think the current proposal isnt going to be worth it either
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<monerobull:matrix.org> i havent seen monero fall into chaos ever since we stopped paying 7.5k per month so i do think the current proposal isnt going to be worth it either
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midipoet
Depends on how many duties Luigi wants to pass onto Diego
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midipoet
Though, i don't really know what duties Luigi does either aside from some key and wallet management, and some merge/commit management (i think)
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midipoet
Might be 100k a year job, for all we know
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Everybody asks for money but nobody asks luigi1111, do you need money?
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Learning with professor midipoet.
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ofrnxmr
Mcdonalds min wage is $20 in california
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ofrnxmr
Monero's been stagnant / in disarray since geonic cancelled diego, fluffy and sarang
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<xmrfamily:matrix.org> My state minimum wage is still 7.25
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ofrnxmr
300xmr/yr and he already pays out of pocket people to manage the backends we use. He didnt poach sarang - oscar dude cancelled sarangs ccs and not firo has lelantus spark and we have seraphis 2+n years out
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ofrnxmr
from my personal dealings, pigeons does a lot more work than he should have to. Cypherstack is the sole reason that our matrix server is up, and sarang charges less for peer reviews than it costs to win an oscar
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ofrnxmr
Right now, you have plowsof being blamed for all of core's inefficiencies
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ofrnxmr
all of communities inefficiencies as well.
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ofrnxmr
"Well isnt cyperstack doing the fmcp audits?" And bp++ peer review
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And seraphis review
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<real_glitch:matrix.org> just hire someone from india or Philippines and you can pay 5 dollars a month lol
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<monerobull:matrix.org> so the solution is hiring an assistant with a 100k$ salary?
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> everyone love plowsof
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<diego:cypherstack.com> This didn't happen. Aaron hadn't been working for Monero for six months when I asked him to join CS.
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<diego:cypherstack.com> Both sarang and surae left the project for a lot of reasons. Including less than stellar dealings with the community, and payment anxiety of quarterly fundraising.
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100k? 300xmr isnt 100k
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<diego:cypherstack.com> When he joined CS and we were discussing projects to work with, he was less than enthusiastic about Monero given his fatigue. So we went elsewhere for a time.
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<diego:cypherstack.com> The distance proved beneficial as, with time passing, he was more willing to jump on Monero things again.
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<diego:cypherstack.com> Hence our current work on Monero stuff.
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<diego:cypherstack.com> The people mad at me for various things make some kind of sense, but the Sarang one never made sense to me.
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<diego:cypherstack.com> Luigi came and asked me to do this work. He specifically asked for help in web stuff as well. Wants that fully off of his plate.
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<diego:cypherstack.com> If me opening a proposal at his request to handle work he's too overwhelmed to do makes me a leech, then I don't know what to say.
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> It's the 75 XMR price that's hard to understand
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<diego:cypherstack.com> Regardless, it would behoove you to make a gitlab account and leave a comment there so your voice doesn't get lost in the mix.
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> But as I said, if people are willing to pay, let's let them pay.
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> as long as it's not "sponsored" from gf
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<diego:cypherstack.com> Web dev and design things are included. That is not just "moderating"
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<diego:cypherstack.com> Raises the price.
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<diego:cypherstack.com> And, in short, I've got other things on my plate too. Businesses. Family. I decided on a price that was worth it to take me from these things to do this work.
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ofrnxmr
Yeah diego! Whats the big idea with charging more than plowsof
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ofrnxmr
Lower rate to 69/3months 😝
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> I suggest grinding the 75 XMR to particular things so it makes sense
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ofrnxmr
I suggest yall stop whining
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> in your proposal
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<diego:cypherstack.com> Lastly, I'm good at what I do. No, not anyone can do the soft skills stuff effectively. I'm not saying I'm the only one, but it's constantly devalued.
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ofrnxmr
Were a full damn 6 mobths into the year
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<diego:cypherstack.com> The above are my justifications and arguments for the price. If it fails to convince you, I understand. Feel free to vote against the proposal.
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> not whining, just giving my opinion - it's a free world ?
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ofrnxmr
Free world != free beer
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> you get $500 fine for old joke
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<j0j0xmr:monero.social> Agreed.
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Im not telling jokes
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> then you're a joke.
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<diego:cypherstack.com> I guess one final thing to say is if so many people can do so many things I'm saying I'll do, I wonder why nobody has stepped up to do them in the several years I've been gone for.
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+10000 @diego
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<someoneelse495495:matrix.org> mostly useless judgement. Most people aren't willing to let non influencial person drive the community. And anyone that would try such would be met with criticism
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<detherminal:monero.social> because it is much easier to just speak than do things
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+1 deth
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<someoneelse495495:matrix.org> also, is monero.social dead ?
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<dave.jp:matrix.org> It’s in the past why raise it again lol, let’s move on; most of us are happy to see you getting involved again in monero
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> "most"
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ofrnxmr
Those who arent happy are who? What holes have you filled
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<dave.jp:matrix.org> Yes majority, and not some random id lol
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<diego:cypherstack.com> This is a fair argument, particularly for the Monero community. But if the floor for attempting is that high then that means few people could indeed do this job. :P
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> I use random ID's because I am involved too much in Monero
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ofrnxmr
Lower rate to 69/3months = overpayment issue is moot
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<someoneelse495495:matrix.org> Yes that is my impression also that I shared in the CCS comment
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ofrnxmr
you use sockpuppets cuz youre too involved? My ass
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My current ccs is at 26.69 per milestone
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> whatever dude
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ofrnxmr
if you were involved, youd be able tk speak for yourself
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ofrnxmr
Nobody respects your purple socks
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ofrnxmr
Logon to youe contributor acct and vote with your rep
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> i don't care for account respect, i have done a lot for Monero and not looking for any prize
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ofrnxmr
You, a sockpuppet, have done nothing
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> if you say so then it must be truth
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ofrnxmr
Maybe your real handle has, but we'll never know #trustmebro
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Your real handle too soft to even speak from
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> trust ?
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> lol
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<j0j0xmr:monero.social> Full or part time?
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> i don't trust anyone, you shouldn't too
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ofrnxmr
Yeah, were supposed to trust that toue sockpupper is a contributor, lol
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> i thought this chat will be better than discord with their pointing system
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> i thought wrong
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ofrnxmr
yeah, you thought you could fuck with progress from a john doe acct
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> "progress"
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<diego:cypherstack.com> I'm happy to give my side of anything that happened in the past if anyone cares for that and has misgivings.
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> Monero is progressing just fine
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ofrnxmr
nobody cares diego
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> all have been said in the past, there's nothing you need to say about it.
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+1
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> the only problem with your proposal that I see is the evaluation part which probably could be explained a bit more by you and not just a generalization we see now
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<diego:cypherstack.com> Mm. There are a few things left unsaid. For example that 'Sarang wasn't enthusiastic to do more Monero work at the time' was something I didn't say.
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<diego:cypherstack.com> Would have helped my case a bunch back then during the accusations let me tell you. ;)
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And for those who dont know, they shoukd do like ericcione says. They should delete their monero.social accts, they should not use code that was reviewed by cypherstack, they ahould delete stack wallet
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> true...
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ofrnxmr
i'll hear it from sarang when /if we can ever get him back working with us more intimately
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<diego:cypherstack.com> But I wasn't trying to throw him under the bus during such a vitriolic time. He would have taken some heat and may have never wanted to touch Monero again as a result.
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so dont do it now either
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<diego:cypherstack.com> So I took the heat instead. Wasn't pleasant, but it paid off cuz he's back to happily plucking along on Monero.
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thats what you get paid for :P
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So sarang doesnt have to deal with ypavtvahaya's or geonics bs
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> i don't think people would get so emotional today about Sarang
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<diego:cypherstack.com> which is why I'm comfortable divulging that bit of information now, yes
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> diego baselessly accused me of conflict of interest in my ccs so im here to do the same
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<diego:cypherstack.com> I think the combination of Sarang having been 6 months removed from Monero when I asked him if he wanted to join me, and the fact that he wasn't enthuzed about doing more Monero work at the time, all but crushes the "Diego poached sarang and sent him to other projects" thing. But that's my heavily biased opinion. :P
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> so, something something conflict of interest
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<diego:cypherstack.com> I have COIs and they are stated in the proposal.
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<diego:cypherstack.com> so any accusation of COI against me here is not baseless ;)
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> cool
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Jojoxmr if the full/part time was directed at me, im down for 20hrs/week
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> but against me they were, which is what i was talking about ;)
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diego: you weren’t “canceled” because you poached Sarang. let’s not change history or try to shift focus please. you sold our CCS to a competing project and were generally unaccountable to the community. one Core team member called you a traitor
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I don’t see how your multiple conflicts of interest are being addressed in this proposal
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<diego:cypherstack.com> I didn't claim this was the one reason.
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you’ll still
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<diego:cypherstack.com> There were three. Sarang, the CCS, and not being accountable to the community.
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> which core member?
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othe
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<diego:cypherstack.com> othe
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<diego:cypherstack.com> who has more or less disappeared since :P
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> so what
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<diego:cypherstack.com> and, during my tenure, showed up to give opinions and help out like three times
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How is your work for competing projects being addressed?
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> now for real, seeing as you have a company (cyhperstack) and product (stack) that directly make money off monero and its development (CCS) i dont see why you should be involved in an "official" way
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<diego:cypherstack.com> the state of core back then was very brittle. Things literally got done by them only if I kicked them in the shins.
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it’s a little late for a transparency report, but feel free to give one if you’d like :p
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<diego:cypherstack.com> There is a reserved amount of time that would be set aside for Monero, would this be funded. If I have limited time, and a project or even my business wants me to do something, but Monero hours are yet unfulfilled, Monero gets the priority.
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ofrnxmr
Geonic hates firo
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ofrnxmr
But doesn't even know how to use git
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geonic
You’ll put your whole business on hold to attend to Monero?
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ofrnxmr
Doesnt have a damn clue who stole from who
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geonic
and everyone you employ will just wait for you to finish with whatever else
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> you are striving for a position that needs trust but in your past you have broken it.
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> why we should trust you again ?
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ofrnxmr
But im sure he won an oscar and that the movie is public domain now right?
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> and especially seeing how you tried knocking my ccs becuase you saw it as a potential competitor to another open CCS that you would have directly benefited from, you shouldnt be part of the CCS process either
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<diego:cypherstack.com> Sure. I worked hard to make it be able to withstand my absence. And fulfilling some hours worth of obligations won't cause it to topple.
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> you cnat be impartial, so its a no from me
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ofrnxmr: stay on focus please. We’ll worry about the oscar later.
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> id rather have ofrn do this kind of stuff
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<diego:cypherstack.com> I wasn't approached like just yestterday. I was approached to make this like a month ago. I've given it a lot of thought since then on what I could realistically do
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<diego:cypherstack.com> I feel confident that half time is more than doable for me.
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ofrnxmr
R4v3r23 - luigi made hia decision and hand picked diego
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> "hand picked" you mean suggested
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ofrnxmr
I mean, hand picked. He closed my proposak because he didnt want me in the position
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<diego:cypherstack.com> To put it bluntly, the circumstances and things are very different. And the issues of the past were (in my very biased opinion) overblown. I lost my position with core, but stuck around to work on Monero things after a break to reflect and for my mental health.
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geonic
monerobull has offered to do the web maintenance stuff and he’s technical enough and generally trusted. Vostoemisio is a good designer as well. Plowsof is handling community moderation just fine. This job can be divided among various community members without centralizing so much trust in one person
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ofrnxmr
Plowsof is not handling moderation just fine
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<diego:cypherstack.com> That wasn't the chain of events. You knocked the other CCS and I came to its defense. I did not, in turn, knock yours. I thought it should be funded.
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<diego:cypherstack.com> I merely stated I thought there was a COI
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> doesnt matter, my point still stands. hes proven he cant be impartial, has clear COIs, theres no way i support giving him an power/say in shit like CCS
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ofrnxmr: you’re not screaming right now so it seems like he is :p
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ofrnxmr
He's steamrolled by other mods
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ofrnxmr
No, those other mods dont have power here
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> it was very emotional because it involved trust and a big chunk of money that has been paid to you for nothing
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ofrnxmr
im still banned on matrix
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plowsof
Note that its not just me who cleans things up on a day-to-day basis, endor helps out alot too
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ofrnxmr
And plowsof unban >> xmrscott reeeeee and rebans
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<diego:cypherstack.com> If the community decides no, then that's fine. I'll go back to my own things. I was just asked to open this, and I'm ready and willing to do Monero things again if people are down with that. :)
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geonic
matrix is a shitshow and diego’s involvement won’t fix anything
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ofrnxmr
Endor spent hrs allowing sockpuppets to spam community
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> no
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ofrnxmr
Then accused me of exit scamming for having an identical ccs to diegos
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ofrnxmr
Id community decides no, youre fkd, cuz luigi already decided yes
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<diego:cypherstack.com> I
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<diego:cypherstack.com> oops sorry
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geonic
monerobull: can you please open your $500/month ccs and see which one gets more support. Competition ftw
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<diego:cypherstack.com> I've talked with luigi and asked this not to be the case.
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ofrnxmr
Diego - add ccs maintainer to list
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<diego:cypherstack.com> I'd rather not go behind the community's back again (a core idea last time). I've seen how they throw me under the bus and fail to back me up when that happens.
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ofrnxmr
yep
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ofrnxmr
Plowsof - take notes
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> well, you took a lot of money for nothing in the end
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> you did great job as well
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<diego:cypherstack.com> this isn't true. I did a ton of work.
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> i don't disagree
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> but a lot of money was also paid for nothing
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ofrnxmr
For nothing? And did a grear job? Which is jt
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> this was the whole drama
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> not the Sarang thing
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> it was a side thing
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ofrnxmr
blame GF and core for spending GF and not telling anyone
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> nope
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ofrnxmr
Now GF just hodls
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> i blame the one who took the money and did nothing for it
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ofrnxmr
and is always late with those reports
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ofrnxmr
You just said he did good work. So which is it? Did he work or did he do nothing?
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> good work by getting paid to do nothing is what hes getting at i think
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> he did good work which he was paid for but then he was just leeching from GF
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plowsof
How can we avoid weekly community meetings is my inly concern
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> surprised i have to tell it
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ofrnxmr
then?
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<diego:cypherstack.com> what do you mean? You don't want weekly community meetings?
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> later on
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> dude, stop catching me by the words, english is not my native shit
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plowsof
Bi weekly is a great fit for me personally
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geonic
Aren’t you the one who sets the meetings
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geonic
set them biweekly then
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<diego:cypherstack.com> lol I can do the other one
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midipoet
diego: people didn't step up to do the soft skills because first you were getting paid directly from core to do them (when many thought you were doing them voluntarily) and this time, Luigi approached you privately. if he had approached the community, there might have been more offers. in your absence, plowsof has taken on responsibilities.
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ofrnxmr
weekly is too much
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ofrnxmr
Cant expect ppl to show up nearly as much
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> This needs competition, open proposal and a post for larger audience on Monero reddit
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ofrnxmr
Yep. And plowsof did it because we needed it
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> agree 100%
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> this gives selections vibes
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> this gives selection vibes
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<diego:cypherstack.com> That's because it's true
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plowsof
Carrington who seems to have disappeared done alot for us also
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<monerobull:matrix.org> If I open a CCS I can't critique them anymore
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plowsof
Be the hammer not the nail.
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ofrnxmr
I had a competing proposal and luigi closed it (despite winning the vote)
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<diego:cypherstack.com> luigi has worked with me before, knows my views generally align with core's as far as upkeep and things are concerned, and trusts in my ability to handle the work to a degree that will be useful to him and would match closely what he would otherwise do in that situation.
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> selection vs election
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<diego:cypherstack.com> That's the part being left out. Luigi doesn't want just anyone doing a lot of these things.
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ofrnxmr
So, until diego takes on the role. Were at the mercy of core
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> is this the luigi project or monero project?
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geonic
So he’s putting you in a trusted position, but the community doesn’t trust you
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ofrnxmr
The luigi project, obv
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m-relay
<r4v3r23:monero.social> imagine helping managing CCS while also making bank on it with many proposals
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<diego:cypherstack.com> He's not putting me in the position. He asked me to open the proposal. Very public. What's happening right now is exactly what should happen to see if this should happen.
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> and also taking shots at other CCSs that you think compete with proposals that you directly benefit from
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<diego:cypherstack.com> Again, this isn't what happened.
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> thats exactly what happened
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> feel free to add as many smileys as you want now
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<diego:cypherstack.com> ^
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> its a no from me, and i support an open election
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geonic
So, with this new role, Diego will 1) be a core liaison 2) moderator 3) website maintainer 4) provider of cryptography services to monero 5) all while continuing to work for competing projects
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> youre just wrong
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geonic
it’s too much
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> Diego, if you want to recover your trust (in me at least) you will have to admit that you got too much money from GF in the past for the work being done by you and you didn't report it because you liked the money.
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ofrnxmr
anyway, luigi wont merge anyone else (incl plowsof) to take over as maintainer of ccs (add that to duties pls), so until diego does, were stuck with the luigi project
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ofrnxmr
Diego didnt get enough
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midipoet
I think we can trust diego to remain impartial on CCSs that don't involve him. I just want a clearer explanation of the tasks (especially the ones that justify 100k wage). Like the design, infra, and something else? The soft skills are no way in the world worth 100k. If they are, i am completely in the wrong job.
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> not true. luigi doesnt get to decide
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<monerobull:matrix.org> 7.5k ofrn
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> if thats the case, keep status quo and have luigi keep his overload
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ofrnxmr
the ccs isnt 100k. Who tf is doing this donkey math
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m-relay
<monerobull:matrix.org> That was 2020 money too
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m-relay
<diego:cypherstack.com> The last few months of my tenure this was probably true, yes. I didn't see it right away because there were constant ebbs and flows of work. During event season I worked way way above full time and compensated by working less in other months.
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midipoet
diego: a shit ton of us work way above full time at events.
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midipoet
Just ask ajs
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<diego:cypherstack.com> But with events being cancelled and things due to pandemic, those high periods stopped happening, leading to more ebb and less flow. So it was probably time to tterminate that agreement, yes
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ofrnxmr
170*75*4 =
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ofrnxmr
100k
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geonic
Wait so this position also includes maintaining the CCS? What’s plowsof’s job then?
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> we already proven he cant be impartial
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> hes already proven he cant be impartial
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ofrnxmr
plowsof is at luigi's mercy. He does all of the coordinating but luigi didnt even tell him abt the hack for 60days
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m-relay
<r4v3r23:monero.social> simply put, if you benefit from CCS you should have no role/position/influence on the process. period
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plowsof
I show up, offer people a coffee... Then pretend to take a phone call and brb
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geonic
Right. So he’ll be approving his own/cypherstack’s CCS proposals :D lol
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m-relay
<r4v3r23:monero.social> and putting down proposals that he sees as competing with his interested, like he did with mine
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m-relay
<r4v3r23:monero.social> and putting down proposals that he sees as competing with his interests, like he did with mine
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geonic
If luigi doesn’t see the problem with that then I really can’t blame diego for taking the GF money. Core lacks common sense
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ofrnxmr
no, if diego is maintainer i expect him to treat it like community crowdfunding, not diego's dictatorship
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m-relay
<r4v3r23:monero.social> this whole thing reeks
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m-relay
<diego:cypherstack.com> So there was an amount of internal justification of "well it's fine for now" given that I expected and hoped things would go more guns blazing again, but that went on for a couple too many months.
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geonic
Who else wants monerobull to do at least some of this work?
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m-relay
<diego:cypherstack.com> If I have any involvement with the CCS I would obviously completely steer clear of any that Cypher Stack puts in as well as my own.
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> yeah right
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geonic
and what about all the competing projects you work for? How are you going to solve that COI?
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m-relay
<r4v3r23:monero.social> this is like trusting a politician
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m-relay
<r4v3r23:monero.social> we shouldnt even be put in this position to begin with
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m-relay
<diego:cypherstack.com> I answered this earlier in this conversation?
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geonic
I’m either dumb or missed it
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geonic
or both
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midipoet
You're both!
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m-relay
<r4v3r23:monero.social> or projects that compete with his? he has already said point blank he sees CCS as a finite pool of resources (which is is actively after) so ANY poroposla can be seen as competiton to him
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m-relay
<diego:cypherstack.com> We're in this position to begin with because of the 3 Core people that actually did practical work (bf, fluffypony, and luigi) (ArticMine does great theoretical work with scaling and is important, but not any merges or anything), one stepped down
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m-relay
<diego:cypherstack.com> the others haven't been seen for yearss
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> whatever
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> excuses
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<diego:cypherstack.com> this leaves effectively 2.5 core team members
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<r4v3r23:monero.social> lets get some competition for this role
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<diego:cypherstack.com> it was me saying that I'd do the Monero work and prioritize above all else, even business and work on other projects
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m-relay
<diego:cypherstack.com> If you're worried about "information flow" or trade secrets or whatever, well all the work is done in the open so...not sure what to say there.
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midipoet
maybe we can change the main task for diego to 1) stewardship to a post-core ecosystem
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midipoet
That is a 100k job that would take 3-6 months (imo)
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midipoet
AND would be worthwhile
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geonic
Wasn’t the case last time (prioritizing Monero above all), why will it be the case this time around?
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m-relay
<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> code and work being done in the Monero project will be evaluated anyway, that's why we shouldn't be so scared and so paranoid to hire new people (with known background) - being too paranoid will slow us down.
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> going for Diego is really sad as the trust have been broken and the conflicts on top of that are not worth the premium price being proposed here
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<diego:cypherstack.com> my business is established and doesn't need my constant involvement. And I got my Monero hours done with Core back then anyways.
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<diego:cypherstack.com> This seems to be true, yes.
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<diego:cypherstack.com> I'll give some serious thought to retracting the proposal.
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> it's not about you, more about the core and their position on hiring people
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<diego:cypherstack.com> to be pedantic, core isn't hiring anyone this time around. This is not a "core" thiing
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<diego:cypherstack.com> this is a luigi thing. He's overwhelmed and trusts I'd be able to help him
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<diego:cypherstack.com> no GF money is going to this
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> was generalizing but thanks for correction
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<diego:cypherstack.com> "core" as a group have no stake here
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m-relay
<diego:cypherstack.com> but yeah, I got your meaning. That's why I said I was being pedantic.
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geonic
GF money should go to cypherstack for whatever infrastructure services it’s providing
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social> Since luigi is the last owner/member of core, is monero technically owned by Nintendo?
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<diego:cypherstack.com> Just don't want core saying I spun this as a "them" thing when it's not
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<diego:cypherstack.com> I refuse this money
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<diego:cypherstack.com> given the infrequency of transparency reports for the GF, the literal LAST thing I need is for CS to be receiving money in ANY way from the GF for ANY length of time longer than months as an undisclosed thing
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<diego:cypherstack.com> undisclosed by nature of infrequent transparency reports from GF, not from hiding the information, mind you
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geonic
OK so it’s a donation and not a you-ungrateful-people-won’t-pay sort of deal :)
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<diego:cypherstack.com> of course. Happy to do it.
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geonic
thank you
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social> I think it have already been discussed recently, but someone should really put up a bounty for an automated bot that create transparency report pdf automatically from view key
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m-relay
<diego:cypherstack.com> Again, a couple months back, there was a period of three months where we got $500 a month for it. Because there was a lot to do and it took pigeons more time than normal
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m-relay
<diego:cypherstack.com> that was the time when matrix was defederating all the time and under constant attack
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<diego:cypherstack.com> had to put a lot of resources to partially mitigate
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geonic
And that was through GF?
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ofrnxmr
Cant, cuz you need key images and fiat receipts
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m-relay
<diego:cypherstack.com> it was
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geonic
ok cool
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m-relay
<diego:cypherstack.com> but when we did all we could, we went back to pro bono
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geonic
as long as CS is being transparent about what it’s receiving you’re not running any risk imo
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geonic
core can delay transparency reports but it doesn’t stop you from disclosing (like you just did)
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social> being transparent might work on matrix community but im sure reddit users would find a drama
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<diego:cypherstack.com> irc people tend to be more resaonable
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m-relay
<diego:cypherstack.com> the heart of the project has always been here
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<diego:cypherstack.com> and the people here generally tend to be more than weekend warriors
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geonic
I don’t think many old timers are on reddit nowadays
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ofrnxmr
all banned for using tor
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social> most have been banned lol
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m-relay
<monerobull:matrix.org> oxymoron
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<strawberry:monero.social> wait, you get banned from reddit for using tor?
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ofrnxmr
Yeah
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m-relay
<monerobull:matrix.org> worse
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<strawberry:monero.social> explains why all my posts disappear after a day
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<monerobull:matrix.org> they say "woah there pardner" with a fedora snoo
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<diego:cypherstack.com> only seems that way until you see reddit
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> even VPNs and proxies get you ban
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social> and if you use tor onion service you get shadowbanned
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<xmrfamily:matrix.org> I am not banned? I use vpns?
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ofrnxmr
my acct was retroactively banned, months after i created it
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social> which one
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> I need
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<strawberry:monero.social> reddit even has an onion service, but I get this message when trying to use it
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> to
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> see
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ofrnxmr
Only thing i ever posted was support
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social> reddit
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<xmrfamily:matrix.org> Mullvand
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> bro, i used same and I was banned...
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<monerobull:matrix.org> it makes me very angry
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<monerobull:matrix.org> not the block but the language in the message
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<strawberry:monero.social> SyntheticBird: try mullvad's norway servers, it bypasses the block
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<preland:monero.social> I used to post on Monero until I supported lnae and stood up to the botters
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<preland:monero.social> Still get botted to this day….
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> France and Finland usually work for me for viewing reddit
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> (Mullvad owned servers)
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<monerobull:matrix.org> official microsoft IPs get blocked too
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> heil spez
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> (spez is the founder of reddit and a complete moron)
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<monerobull:matrix.org> fucker killed my favorite app
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<monerobull:matrix.org> rip rif
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m-relay
<preland:monero.social> “If people like a post, they upvote. If they don’t, they downvote. Upvoted ones get seen more, and downvoted ones get seen less.
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<preland:monero.social> It’s a foolproof idea, with absolutely no inherent issues or toxic biases. Can’t wait to see what StackOverflow does with this concept”
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> reddit is sometimes more cancel-toxic than twitter. which is an achievement
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> always hard to see your favorite social medias breaking up towards the american politic dillema. twitter for rightist and reddit for leftist
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<preland:monero.social> “Also let’s have all the moderation done by terminally-online people who are unpaid. This definitely won’t create a system where only the most mentally ill or ideologically polarized become the arbiters of our entire platform”
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<monerobull:matrix.org> the right-leaning subs get shut down all the time
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<monerobull:matrix.org> meanwhile the left subs make memes about killing people :3
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<preland:monero.social> Every subreddit is bad.
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<preland:monero.social> And if it isn’t, it will be soon.
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ofrnxmr
"“Also let’s have all the moderation done by terminally-online people who are unpaid. This definitely won’t create a system where only the most mentally ill or ideologically polarized become the arbiters of our entire platform”" youre describing matrix 😂
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m-relay
<monerobull:matrix.org> another crime by an illegal immigrant? thread locked, too much mod-work 😎
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> matrix is welcoming both the most racist and the most leftist in existence at the same time
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m-relay
<preland:monero.social> I don’t even know how Reddit did it, but they created one of the only possible organization structures that will fail *even if all participants are perfect and flawless*
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<preland:monero.social> Lol
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ofrnxmr
s/matrix/monero.social @synthetic
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m-relay
<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> I've seen videos not being taken down where Russians are getting killed in most brutal ways, because they are Russian so we should have no feelings for them.
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> crazy
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> r/christianity mods recently added a rule stating that you couldn't criticize LGBT or you'll get ban without warning. I think that summarize reddit perfectly
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<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> even on YT where guy gets his legs blown out
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> thats crazy
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ofrnxmr
Wen #offtopic
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<preland:monero.social> Lol
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr fair
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> thing is the website blog is pretty dead most of the time with no community management whatsoever and most people are on r/monero
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> its not even easy to get who is managing the @monero twitter account
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ofrnxmr
ask sgp
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social> copy that
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ofrnxmr
@monero is Always "excited to announce" or "pleased to share". Need a new lead-in
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> real
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ofrnxmr
Sgp had access, and though he *might* not anymore, im inclined to believe that he knows who does
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ofrnxmr
Also, revuo-xmr is still banned cancelled on @monero
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nioCat
I am always pleased to share
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> nioCat is that you?
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» nioCat checks name
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ofrnxmr
Whoever is posting should stop being childish and start sharing things impartially. Revuo was never banned in community, but ericiccione argued to have its promotion stopped on @monero. We should support the newsletters that we lost at every community meeting
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geonic
dEBRUYNE and fluffy have the keys to the twitter account, sgp has access
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ofrnxmr
That we post* at every community meeting
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ofrnxmr
Thats all?
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geonic
afaik
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m-relay
<syntheticbird:monero.social> in a perfect world ofrnxmr and sgp would be best friend
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ofrnxmr
Sgp's always had a problem with me. Always been defensive everytime i speak
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luigi1111
<ypavtv97lx:matrix.org> as long as it's not "sponsored" from gf <= there are no plans to fund this from gf that I know of
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ofrnxmr
I never cared one way or another until he banned me for (i dont even remember) and slid into my dms to tell me to FAFO. Then made a habit of trying to make me respect his authority
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ofrnxmr
So. In a perfect world, he would have never had been a mod
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geonic
sgp likes to play s&m games
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ofrnxmr
Lol i remember he wanted ban me and geonic for playfighting in offtopic
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geonic
Comply first, ask questions later
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geonic
“ComplyFirst” is a good name for a sex shop. Kinky stuff
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m-relay
<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Do you keep a picture of Justin in your wallet everywhere you go? You should.
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> You talk about him every chance you get. Manifest your proclivities!
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luigi1111
<geonic> So he’s putting you in a trusted position, but the community doesn’t trust you => this isn't true. The proposal isn't merged and won't be unless there is support
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<diego:cypherstack.com> That said, the proposal on git seems pretty positive as it stands. Dissenting opinions go post!
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luigi1111
<midipoet> maybe we can change the main task for diego to 1) stewardship to a post-core ecosystem => this is part of what I was thinking with the website stuff, maybe other stuff too
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geonic
Diego: opinions given here count just as much
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<diego:cypherstack.com> Yes but it's always annoying to gesture to nebulous conversations that happened on IRC as proof of things.
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plowsof
Revuo was shared by monero twitter recently
x.com/monero/status/1806756481871593967
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<diego:cypherstack.com> I know they happened. You know they happened. But people who weren't there can get annoyed and have to trust. They won't go through scrollback
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geonic
Luigi is going thru it which is what matters. He’ll be merging this
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ofrnxmr
plowsof funny, i actually saw that tweet. Must have slipped my mind
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geonic
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geonic
Of course I still don’t know how to use git so it’s not showing up in the ideas page :p
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<diego:cypherstack.com> yes it is
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<diego:cypherstack.com> The site is a static site. Doesn't update dynamically.
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<diego:cypherstack.com> It rebuilds every minute on the minute.
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geonic
Yep, there it is
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plowsof
2 payouts but the theyre not a requirement for the parser, A- for perfect front matter
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plowsof
now diegos has capitalised "Month" and, although not a requirement, correct number of payouts listed. A*
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<diego:cypherstack.com> It's true.
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plowsof
For those who want an A* I recommend using any plowsof approved proposal creation tool such as
plowsof.github.io/chatgpt-ccs-proposal-form.html
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<diego:cypherstack.com> ooooh that's neat!
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<real_glitch:matrix.org> yeah this should be one of the Main priorities
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<real_glitch:matrix.org> i guess people should stop donating to GF for the time being
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geonic
Nice
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<diego:cypherstack.com> When did you make that plowsof? That's really neat!
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plowsof
The other... Week im not sure. When the "redesign the ccs" proposal.was posted. I asked chatgpt nicely to create it for me / made some tweaks
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plowsof
I also have a pre-proposal parser luigi can run to "show if the description==merge request file and will it display on the ideas/funding page or why not".. still testing
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ofrnxmr
Did u really open a proposal for soneone else without asking them
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plowsof
Description != Merge request has caused a few issues and is annoying to confirm
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plowsof
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> It's probably your fault.
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geonic
yep. It’s called the “ideas” page for a reason
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midipoet
plowsof, when someone submits, whose gitlab account does the proposal post through?
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<ct:xmr.mx> "without asking him” wtf
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midipoet
luigi1111: yeah, if part of Diego's task is to put impetus, drive, and forward movement into the "disband core" open issue, that is definitely worthwhile. I also think diego is an excellent candidate to steward that process, for what it's worth.
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<ct:xmr.mx> you didn't even ping monerobull after posting. I saw it in my RSS feed and send him a link
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geonic
I tagged him on twitter don’t worry
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<monerobull:matrix.org> Lmao this is funny
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<ct:xmr.mx> I want to propose geonic as the janitor for -offtopic. I think he has just the right skillset for the job. /s just in case
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geonic
I’d be happy to get paid to do that
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geonic
feel free to open a ccs
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plowsof
Im opening this ccs to nominate you for the ice bucket challenge
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geonic
I’d love to hear Diego’s ideas for disbanding core
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geonic
but that’s not this proposal
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ofrnxmr
@cf better is monero-pools
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ofrnxmr
Ct**
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<ct:xmr.mx> catching up with the backlog - you argue a lot with "trust", yet you use a throwaway user name. Curious.
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> He's a CIA sockpuppet.
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ofrnxmr
More like a CI
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ofrnxmr
Cia agents work harder than this
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Ok cop.
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ofrnxmr
Do you just blurt out random shit uncontrollably?
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ofrnxmr
Or are you still salty bcuz i wouldn't attack geonic for you
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<diego:cypherstack.com> geonic this is nice in theory, but someone has to hold the keys for things. own the domain. Pay for the servers, etc.
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<diego:cypherstack.com> As it stands right now, core is pretty much just doing those things and not much else as is.
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geonic
yep
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<ct:xmr.mx> "Entity with opposing external interests"
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<diego:cypherstack.com> from that perspective, Core is kind of functionally disbanded minus a few necessary things
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geonic
except the general fund, maintaining the repo, holding the domain, twitter, etc
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geonic
all necessary evils
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<diego:cypherstack.com> they could pass those things off to other people, surely
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<diego:cypherstack.com> although not quite sure who'd have the trust necessary for GF wallet, domain, and stuff
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geonic
I don't think there's a better candidate
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geonic
my point was not to delude ourselves that we're disbanding core with this proposal
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<diego:cypherstack.com> Disbanding, no. But moving website out of core's purview and stuff is worthwhile.
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<real_glitch:matrix.org> we could use some kind of voting/pool system for GF though
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<real_glitch:matrix.org> when allocating the funds
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geonic
sure. so let's find the best person to do that. we're mainly talking about what ErCiccione was doing before he went haywire
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geonic
the bull has agreed to do the job if there's sufficient community support. go vote
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<spirobel:kernal.eu> lets hire monerobull just gave it a thumbs up
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geonic
👍
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<diego:cypherstack.com> Can we get ths reopened?
monero-project/monero-site #2081
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<monerobull:matrix.org> but it says do not merge
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<monerobull:matrix.org> ;)
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<hardenedsteel:monero.social> cant you reopen yourself?
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<recanman:kernal.eu> I don't think so, erciccione closed it
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<diego:cypherstack.com> fixed
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geonic
a wallet developer maintaining the website... crazy it's even being considered. imagine handing the website to Cake.
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<diego:cypherstack.com> I'll put a Stack Wallet banner on the front page
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geonic
just auto redirect
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<diego:cypherstack.com> "Stack Wallet is an officially endorsed wallet."
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geonic
and no other wallets shall exist
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plowsof
Yes for autodirect but on day 2 as to not move too quickly
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<321bob321:monero.social> Landing page before entering
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<321bob321:monero.social> Arsonist and fireman in one
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<detherminal:monero.social> i can open if you want
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<detherminal:monero.social> > <@diego:cypherstack.com> Can we get ths reopened?
monero-project/monero-site #2081
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<detherminal:monero.social> i can open a new one if you want
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<321bob321:monero.social> To much self interest in this community
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<321bob321:monero.social> Undwr the guise of helping “community”
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plowsof
Will be reopened soon #monero-site
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<321bob321:monero.social> Two production version and becomes offical. Low bar to meet
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geonic
Arsonist and fireman on salary (:
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geonic
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<321bob321:monero.social> Diego what platform will you run under “jobs and growth”
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<321bob321:monero.social> Tbh idc, multi sig need to be done to remove centralized control
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geonic
"let's avoid overworking our contributors by refusing to pay them"
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geonic
great strategy
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> > Do you support this proposal or do you support hiring someone for 8 times as much who has a rotten history with the project?
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Oh no, the enforcer strikes again,
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ofrnxmr
yur frazzled geonic
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> The saga continues!
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ofrnxmr
Geonic is a textbook bad actor
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Lmfao
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ofrnxmr
he votes DOWN anything productive, like FCMP
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» m-relay <rottenwheel:kernal.eu> gifts ofrnxmr a mirror
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ofrnxmr
And plowsof's ccs
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<321bob321:monero.social> Mb gets 0.01xmr and has referral link
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ofrnxmr
rotten bro, keep that same energy 💯. Fkn pussy
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ofrnxmr
lucky i dont expose your bullshit ass
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<321bob321:monero.social> Mirror broke
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Yeah, his lack of self awareness is remarkable.
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ofrnxmr
Literallt begged me to "go off on geonic for me!! Why is geonic so mean to me!"
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Lol he even uses quotes, ridiculous.
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ofrnxmr
I literally wrote this bitch's responses and he copy pasted them to get unbanned
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ofrnxmr
Talk about "quotes"
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Not only is geonic's retarded drama on the menu, now you can get a 2x1 and squeeze in all the unhinged insults and quotes from ofrn!
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Monero community, that niche that keeps on giving. 🍻
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ofrnxmr
unhinged? Lol. I have receipts, dumbass
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ofrnxmr
You shred chats, but forgot to shred that one
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Ok retard.
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<ct:xmr.mx> > Do you support this proposal or do you support hiring someone for 8 times as much who has a rotten history with the project?
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<ct:xmr.mx> For you its less about giving monerobull a job and more about Diego not getting a job.
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<321bob321:monero.social> Ladies
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Madame?
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<321bob321:monero.social> And people who identify as google
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<siren:kernal.eu> Faang?
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Who am I and where's my bike?
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<321bob321:monero.social> Drama
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ofrnxmr
Some blogger with an inferiority complex
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Lol
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<321bob321:monero.social> Inspector ceetee will solve this case
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<ct:xmr.mx> there is no case
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> You are a case.
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<ct:xmr.mx> if monerobull wants to accept the proposal, its his choice to make. I comment what's on my mind as I always do
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<321bob321:monero.social> I think its who and the reasoning behind the ccs
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<recanman:kernal.eu> I may be out of the loop here, geonic is against mb accepting proposal?
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<ct:xmr.mx> no, geonic made the proposal without asking mb
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<xmrfamily:matrix.org> I am out of loop as well kinda
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<321bob321:monero.social> 127.0.0.1
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<siren:kernal.eu> What is happening now lol
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<ct:xmr.mx> typical geonic bullshit
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<siren:kernal.eu> Ridiculous
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<321bob321:monero.social> 1. Geonic called deigo scammer
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<321bob321:monero.social> 2. Geonic made ccs for mb
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<siren:kernal.eu> Ah yes shit stirring
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Where's the grammy?
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<321bob321:monero.social> 3. Inspector said there is no case to prosecute
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ofrnxmr
Ofrn opened proposal for the same > it was botspammed > luigi closed it and asked diego to do it instead > diego accepted / opened proposal > geonic opened a proposal for monerobull cuz he doesnt want diego to do it
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<321bob321:monero.social> This is drama free zone
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<recanman:kernal.eu> This is community workgroup
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<recanman:kernal.eu> This is the drama zone 😃
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<recanman:kernal.eu> At least once every couple of months
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<recanman:kernal.eu> Thanks for the explanation ofrnxmr, that clears things up
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<xmrfamily:matrix.org> I don't support proposal
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ofrnxmr
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geonic
mb said he'll do the job. I took him at his word when I opened the proposal and he later confirmed that he was serious.
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<321bob321:monero.social> We need a signed witness statement ceetee
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geonic
recanman: the opposite. someone named ct is against paying known volunteers because this might overwork them
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<recanman:kernal.eu> Let's hear the other side, one moment
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plowsof
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geonic
rottenwheel: for the record, are you against mb doing this job?
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nioCat
why did I cancel my autoship of popcorn
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<321bob321:monero.social> Mb gets 0.01xmr and trocador referral
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<321bob321:monero.social> Uno momento
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<monerobull:matrix.org> What kind of comment even is that
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<321bob321:monero.social> For your work
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> geonic no, I'm not.
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<xmrfamily:matrix.org> I don't like monerobull/ think he lacks skills to be leader in community, but that's personal opinion and I'm a bit biased. <3 I enjoy our arguments tho monerobull
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<monerobull:matrix.org> The 0.01 and referral link are reserved for town hosting and don't exactly print money
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geonic
good. then stfu
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<321bob321:monero.social> For free
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<recanman:kernal.eu> Yeah... I think it is meant as a joke
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<monerobull:matrix.org> Eh, I would have said "fuck no" if you had asked me beforehand but now that it's posted I want to see how this plays out and would be up for the job in the unlikely case it actually goes through
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> geonic since when do you tell people to stfu around here? Go fuck yourself, cunt.
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geonic
:D
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Fucking 4'5 dwarf.
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<ct:xmr.mx> no geonic, I am for paying people. But a minimum wage job _in addition_ to volunteer work is simply a terrible deal
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geonic
ct: it's better to trust people to make their own decisions than making them for them
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geonic
so I've heard
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<recanman:kernal.eu> Agreed
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<monerobull:matrix.org> At the very least it's entertaining
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geonic
we're all here for the entertainment anyway :p
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> That's why you opened a CCS proposal for someone else!
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Autist.
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geonic
yes, because I took him at his word and he's sticking to it
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geonic
something you wouldn't know anything about :)
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<321bob321:monero.social> Isnt that fraud
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<321bob321:monero.social> Nda is broken
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geonic
if you had said you'd do it for $1/month I wouldn't open a ccs for you
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<321bob321:monero.social> Rotten already has ccs and kuno
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<ct:xmr.mx> >if monerobull wants to accept the proposal, its his choice to make. I comment what's on my mind as I always do
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<ct:xmr.mx> GEONIC reading is not your strong suit, is it?
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<monerobull:matrix.org> Genonic is right about the proposal being in what's called the "ideas" section so i don't mind that much
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<spirobel:kernal.eu> monerobull has grown a lot and getting paid by the community also means accountability to the community. Lets just move ahead with this and discuss what diegos role can be separately. Lets be productive.
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geonic
and a job at cake
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geonic
I worry he's being overworked
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<monerobull:matrix.org> Who has a cake job
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ofrnxmr
who's 4'5?
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<321bob321:monero.social> 🍆
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Lol.
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ofrnxmr
Geonic, i thought you were like 6', no?
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> This motherfucking channel lol.
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ofrnxmr
Control yourself rotten, youre gonna get yourself banned again
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ofrnxmr
Then nobody can save ya 🙀
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Fuck off.
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ofrnxmr
Make me
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> geonic looks like 1st generation chicano from 6th grade with that height.
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geonic
rotten does
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geonic
at least for now lol
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<321bob321:monero.social> Anways
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<monerobull:matrix.org> And vik didn't even let me fix the cake translation for free 😭
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<321bob321:monero.social> Mb for cake ceo!
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<diego:cypherstack.com> So this has...devolved. :P
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ofrnxmr
Nah, it devolved a long time ago
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<spirobel:kernal.eu> vik told me to do breathing exercises to increase my reputation in the monero community 😆
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<321bob321:monero.social> Good chance to demostrate your mod skills
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geonic
ofrn: 5’10”
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ofrnxmr
perfect, so we CAN box?
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geonic
yep
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<321bob321:monero.social> So big
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<321bob321:monero.social> What happned to monerokon boxing
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ofrnxmr
Rotten, are you in?
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geonic
rotten was so shook when he ran away from me in Vegas that he mistook me for a midget
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<recanman:kernal.eu> For next year
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<321bob321:monero.social> Missed opportunity
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geonic
lmao
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<ct:xmr.mx> I'll put it on the to do list for next year lol
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> I don't fight trannies.
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ofrnxmr
ban
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geonic
am I a midget or a tranny?
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ofrnxmr
Were inclusive around here
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<321bob321:monero.social> Coc violation syn
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geonic
or a chicano 6th grader
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<xmrfamily:matrix.org> I like mb more than vik
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Yes.
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<monerobull:matrix.org> Damn you must really hate him
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geonic
rotten shitposting on matrix while charging vik for the privilege
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geonic
classic
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<321bob321:monero.social> Makw luv not war peeps
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Who told you I'm on the clock?
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ofrnxmr
boxing is love
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> He's obsessed.
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<xmrfamily:matrix.org> Not really. I just don't like some things he says. He didn't follow me back on Twitter
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> geonic you want my number bb?
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ofrnxmr
nah, just your weight class
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geonic
no, just don’t run away next time I see you
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<321bob321:monero.social> Feather weight
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ofrnxmr
Were professional celebrity amateur boxers
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Lol, is that a threat?
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> I don't talk to dwarfs, sorry.
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<321bob321:monero.social> No threats here fido admins
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<321bob321:monero.social> Fido*
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<321bob321:monero.social> Wow
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ofrnxmr
Boxing is fun. Me and geonic are fine with it. Youre not?
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<321bob321:monero.social> i have an idea
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<321bob321:monero.social> Wwe tag team tournament
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geonic
alright enough horsing around, go vote on the proposals (: may the best man win
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ofrnxmr
dont assume diego's gender
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geonic
lol
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<321bob321:monero.social> And we can get the monero gambling site to sponsor
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ofrnxmr
You might trigger rotten
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<321bob321:monero.social> This is why i said “people who identify as google”
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<recanman:kernal.eu> That would be pretty great, not sure where we would put the ring though
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<recanman:kernal.eu> maybe in the courtyard at monerokon we can have the big fight
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<321bob321:monero.social> Main stage
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<xmrfamily:matrix.org> Las Vegas sphere
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<321bob321:monero.social> Pay-per-view
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<recanman:kernal.eu> Livestream it?
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<321bob321:monero.social> Yest
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<321bob321:monero.social> Subs tho
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<jeffro256:monero.social> Why was ofrnxmr's closed again ?
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<321bob321:monero.social> Luigi
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ofrnxmr
Luigi didnt like it
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<321bob321:monero.social> Said get kuno sponsoring
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ofrnxmr
He asked diego to do it around the same time
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<321bob321:monero.social> And currently sitting on his other one
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ofrnxmr
luigi never msgd me or asked for any changes, he just closed it and contacred diego
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<321bob321:monero.social> Ccs 2.0 proposal
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nioCat
321bob321 for CCS proposal
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<321bob321:monero.social> Burning my own money is more fun
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<321bob321:monero.social> Either i burn it or ATO gets it
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nioCat
I burned so much already, can I get 10% back?
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nioCat
open a CCS for it?
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Imagine being Australian.
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geonic
what if mb makes monerochan the landing page
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geonic
didn't think that through
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<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Oh no, no, no... Downvoting mb's.
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<321bob321:monero.social> Kim pays for yours
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<spirobel:kernal.eu> monerochan is the better brand anyway
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<recanman:kernal.eu> Depends on the person. I don't like it too much
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nioCat
Cat says that it's dinner time
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nioCat
bbl
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<321bob321:monero.social> Afk*
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<321bob321:monero.social> I got the idea from eth, gas burning
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<321bob321:monero.social> Burning the money as well as sticking it to the greens
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<321bob321:monero.social> Double whammy
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plowsof
"what if mb makes monerochan the landing page" lolol
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plowsof
Let.him cook!
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<321bob321:monero.social> Tim cook?
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<ct:xmr.mx> ><geonic> what if mb makes monerochan the landing page
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<ct:xmr.mx> Can you put that in the proposal as well? K thx
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<321bob321:monero.social> Should add a shopping page to getmonero add monero supplies
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geonic
no so we can keep laughing at your "don't pay him so as not to overwork him" comment
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nioCat
<321bob321:monero.social> Tim cook? <<>> * Tim Apple
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midipoet
I am really not a fan of cooked apples. Not overly sure why.
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ofrnxmr
You don't like apple pie?
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<ct:xmr.mx> geonic can you please clarify what part of this proposal is for work mb currently does unpaid and what part of it is for new work he currently doesn't do? A rough percentage is fine.
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<321bob321:monero.social> Humble*
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“Keeping his pulse on the community” is probably the most time-consuming and he already does that for free
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feel free to support the proposal or don’t. couldn’t care less
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<xmrfamily:matrix.org> Do it for passion not cause obligation
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<monerobull:matrix.org> I don't have a finger on the pulse, I have a medical grade ECG on it <3
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<xmrfamily:matrix.org> I want someone with mri
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<monerobull:matrix.org> That's for brains and we're talking about pulse no
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<xmrfamily:matrix.org> It's actually for a lot of things. Can see blood flow
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<monerobull:matrix.org> I see. I don't know that many specialized medical machine names in English
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<dave.jp:matrix.org> Chinese ? Russian? French?
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<xmrfamily:matrix.org> Latin is good for medical field
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<321bob321:monero.social> Shi shi da we we
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monerobull wen monerokon
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<monerobull:matrix.org> nioc, wen eth prague gives their date