<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> > I asked him to make this proposal to more or less be an assistant to me, as well as working towards decentralizing some project things. I find him reasonable, level-headed, technical enough, and resistant to "temperature elevation". Most importantly, I know him well.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/470#note_25393

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Went from manager to pa

all I read was monerobull's will probably be merged

<j​effro256:monero.social> I posted a new milestone update here: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/467#note_25412

nice jeffro256, *prints ticket no.7* please take a seat

<j​effro256:monero.social> lol

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I thought mb wanted to pull the ccs

rottenwheel: to be honest, i have sort of checked out of most CCS issues. I think we should just merge everything that is relatively sane and not overpriced.

If Luigi wants Diego's help, and that is the price of it, then so be it. It's not like Luigi isn't gonna donate to it.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Luigi needs to be removed from ccs wallet. Short memories here

<a​remor:matrix.org> What needs to happen to do this?

<a​remor:matrix.org> Scott, poet, and who else need to agree?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Agree to what

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Community needs to push for multi sig

<a​remor:matrix.org> To move to a new wallet

<a​remor:matrix.org> Community has been pushing for a change of keys but it still hasn’t happened.

<a​remor:matrix.org> Therefore it seems that a majority of the key holders to agree is the requirement.

there was a vote monero-project/meta #935

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 1 yr anniversary in 2 months

<a​remor:matrix.org> s/the\ key\ holders/core

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Lol

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Vote was multi sig by march

well, its "multisig wen"

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Soon ™️

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Hence why we need “soon™️” label on the github

ok but look at this new shiny fcmp++ update repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/449#note_25409 , things are moving along there

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Funny

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Can get fcmp working, but cant fix multi sig

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Lol

<a​remor:matrix.org> Who are the current key holders?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Singular

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Numero uno

instead of 2+ unknown

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Plowsof and 3 alts

matrix dot org accounts rising from the ashes like a phoenix

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Pretty sure if you lost that amount of money in your job, you would be fired and referred to the police

<a​remor:matrix.org> It’s very illogical that basically no changes have been made. Most importantly, personnel

I wouldng trust scott with a banhammer

and then you'd have enough plausible deniability to get off free (2+ unknown people who can withdraw)

Nevermind a fkn wallet key. Guy's the biggest liar in monero

basically no changes -> 2+ unknown + hot -> 1+cold

And midipoet is a google drive user. You really trust such a tech illiterate person to handle multisig keys for ccs devs? Cmon now

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Paid for workspaces now

<a​remor:matrix.org> The delay is that we don’t know who will hold the partial keys?

<a​remor:matrix.org> Or we don’t know who will create the wallet?

<a​remor:matrix.org> Or that person doesn’t know how to make the wallet?

No

The delay is that luigi wants an assistant

(he wants to hold the wallet and control payments himself)

My ccs specifically detailed that i want my funds help by _not core_. Luigi commented the other day to say "no".

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Well ccs is centralized on core. Core resolves all disputes!

We all know how to make a multisig. _using_ a multisig is the convoluted part, and due to the # of people on ccs, you want to remove as much potential for human error as possible

the delay is a user friendly, secure and reliable UX for multisig

Luigi was supposed to step down from the wallet by end of march, aiui

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Well

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Never said which march

touche

the vulnerability is gone

The UX was envisioned as an improvement into Feather Wallet, to be done by tobtoht, but tob has had to take a break of sorts. There are a few other paths we can go, but im hoping to get tobtohts approval before continuing

Niocat, which vuln? We still dont know how luigi was hacked

only probabilities

but yes a better system should be in place

The only missing pieces are. 1. User friendly multisig 2. Luigi commiting to a peaceful transfer of power

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Vuln was patched with ubuntu update

2. Was stated before as him not wanting to be a multisig signer, and willing to step down by march. Neither of those seems true anymore

<3​21bob321:monero.social> And os with no default encryption lol

<a​remor:matrix.org> Can we elaborate on what the difficulty w/ using multi sig is?

<a​remor:matrix.org> Xmr ms is just split keys right?

it's operational, try it and find out :)

What niocat said

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Try before you buy

Try using it by hand in a 3/4 multisig and let me know how you like it

Its annoying at best.

Time consuming, requires out of band manual messaging, etc

What was the reason for not using a rino wallet for the CCS?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> not how rino works

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Is there some kind of multi-sig support for monero?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yes but its manual setup

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and requires cli wallet

a.k.a "a bit of a pain"

<nioCat> the vulnerability is gone <= you mean fluffy?

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Mymonero is in the room

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> I'm running the CLI wallet now... is there a guide I can review?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> hbs:

monerobull: i know rino is a permissions based system, but wouldn't that be a step better than what currently exists?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> It should be a proper multisig, rino isn't really for access control

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Yeah, ideally I could "approve" send tx's with "signatures" from 3-5 wallets and create a list of 7-10 wallets that can sign tx's.

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> I'm thinking this might only be possible near-term with some sort of hardware wallet implementation... or forking the wallet-cli and rolling my own.

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> If anyone else is looking at this I'd love to see what work has been done.

<d​ancer:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/EevsWxsJjlIRxNYSOagzEFrv

<d​ancer:monero.social> Point of order: I propose a formal change in the documented use of tx_key <txid> to "private transaction key" as was documented here web.archive.org/web/20230130141648m…allet-cli-reference/#tx-private-key

<d​ancer:monero.social> Reasons:

<d​ancer:monero.social> - It's important to indicate that the information reveals private information somehow.

<d​ancer:monero.social> - it's concise and distinct. One word extra that doesn't create difficulty in displaying on gui wallets or anywhere else.

<d​ancer:monero.social> - The risk of confusion is between "secret" and "private" but it's better to let someone take pause before sharing a "private key" than to leave users without a clue that it's any different than the "transaction id" in terms of privacy.

<d​ancer:monero.social> Point of order: I propose a formal change in the documented use of tx\_key \<txkey> to "private transaction key" as was documented here web.archive.org/web/20230130141648mp\_/monerodocs.org/interacting/monero-w…allet-cli-reference/#tx-private-key

<d​ancer:monero.social> Reasons:

<d​ancer:monero.social> - It's important to indicate that the information reveals private information somehow.

<d​ancer:monero.social> - it's concise and distinct. One word extra that doesn't create difficulty in displaying on gui wallets or anywhere else.

<d​ancer:monero.social> - The risk of confusion is between "secret" and "private" but it's better to let someone take pause before sharing a "private key" than to leave users without a clue that it's any different than the "transaction id" in terms of privacy.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> craigwright.net

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/kernal.eu/pOFDCVNszARwNyyEOjeOjxxB

<s​trawberry:monero.social> poor mr kangaroo

i thought we were all satoshi nakamoto

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> default monero multisig implementation really struggles once you go above 4

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> someone said the largest they got to work was 7 and they had to transfer a ton of data and it was really slow

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> the monero serai library has way more efficient multisig

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Goodness! His official site too!

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Ordered by the courts i think

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Neg thats plowsof