plowsof: any word from core about the 867 xmr missing from the FFS?

binaryFate: should I post a meta issue asking who has/had the keys to the FFS wallet(s)? time

time

dammit! Sorry. time is of the essence here. this should be a priority since funds are known to be either forgotten or missing

definitely more urgent than the GF transparency report

luigi1111 any advice on the above?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> advice on how to loose funds and then give no answer on how?

Bro luigi didn’t lose shit

Until a hack is proven to have taken place, we can assume that one of two people stole it

or both

And one of the two has never had his hand in the cookie jar before

<3​21bob321:monero.social> well

<3​21bob321:monero.social> then your saying luigi is covering up

<3​21bob321:monero.social> and you still want him in instead of someone else

No, he can’t prove or disprove anything

<3​21bob321:monero.social> wdym

<3​21bob321:monero.social> he has access to the wallet

he put himself in a shitty situation by relying on keys he did not generate

That was his only mistake here (not that it’s a small one)

<3​21bob321:monero.social> well he said he got hacked, so provide data to prove it

<3​21bob321:monero.social> its currently just hear say

did he? I thought he said the wallet got drained

I’ve never heard him say he was hacked

Why are you fixating on luigi when there’s an equally if not more likely figure that stole the funds

to have stolen*

<3​21bob321:monero.social> monero-project/meta #923

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Fluffy need to pay Tari devs it was urgent

<3​21bob321:monero.social> this would clear him

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Fluffy needed to pay Tari devs it was urgent

<3​21bob321:monero.social> but like usual nothing gets done

<3​21bob321:monero.social> "play on"

Project coral reef money ran out

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Reef dried out years ago

<3​21bob321:monero.social> whast the birthday plans for this

<3​21bob321:monero.social> over a month to organise

Yes

it probably got Tari to its first testnet tho

Luigi didnt say he got hacked and has cooperated with handing over images (even though IMO that avenue is a dead end)

Tx plow

It’s a dead end because it wasn’t a hack

geonic no update on the FFS wallet (or that particular overfunding) i think a meta issue with all relavant info in one place would help

Ok I’ll have to make one then

If it was an inside job : the perp is handing the evidence he had infinite time to prepare

<3​21bob321:monero.social> the image if it was taken at the time of the "incident" would prove or disprove a hack

Nope , wont prove anything

Agreed

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Don’t worry we will find where funds went after quantum computers break it

Can someone set up a prediction market where we can bet on who stole it between Luigi and fluffy?

Removing opinions of what haopened (because we cant prove anything) we have moved to a new setup removing all plausible deniability

And await multisig

Meaning currently only luigi has keys

that says something doesn’t it

Regarding project coral reef… Dan Teree is a cofounder of Tari Labs and a veteran executive at Ticketmaster. Later founded another ticketing platform, Ticketfly. Obviously a guy with deep connections in the music space.

I’d be willing to bet that the integration of Monero in the dozen or so musician stores was done either at no cost or very low cost, as a favor.

So the $500K was certainly not spent as advertised. Of course fluffy can provide receipts like I did for my CCS and prove me wrong.

I’ll pay him 10 xmr for the trouble

fluffypony what do you say? Do you accept the bet?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> How do you think you investigate an intrusion

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Hopes and dreams?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Atm its broken trust between community and luigi

No it’s not

<3​21bob321:monero.social> He was holding the back

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Prove what happened

Holding back what?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Bag*

2+unknown where holding the bag

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Currently your speculating fluddy stole it

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Fluffy*

Never heard of the unknown. There were more than 2?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Currently i am speculating luigi lost it

Officially it was 2 the + unknown is to account for the evil hacker

<3​21bob321:monero.social> How do we prove whos right

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Process of elimination

The hacker or the quantum computer

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Audit wallet pc

We cant prove who is right , just remove plausible deniability and move on monero-project/meta #935

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Duh

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Ok

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Remove luigi too. Zero trust bruh

Guess I forgot to vote there

Keeping luigi as the ccs escrow is a vote of convidence by the community and more or less exonerates him as a suspect

Let’s do an anonymous vote on whether fluffy stole it

Scenario: there is an audit that proves luigi was not hacked - response from 'luigi did it side' would be lol proves nothing he had enough time to set this up ahead of time!!!

Your honour, here is the evidence that we got sent over megaupload by the potential suspect and we forensically analy- dismissed

Let’s vote: will fluffy accept my offer and make $1600 for maybe an hour of work and in the process clear any suspicions about Project Coral Reef?

Who would pass that up

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> If you can get the coin to pump 100% the funds are justified

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> They needed to pay celebs to accept xmr and all the pr

It’s no less legitimate than paying for an Oscar campaign, that’s for sure

The question is whether the money actually went to these celebs and publicists or if it ended up elsewhere

Like, to use your example, Tari developers

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Oscar didn’t pump the coin

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Money was spent to pr xmr not a movie

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> I would gladly donate to coral reef 2.0

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Money was spent to pr xmr not a movie <== receipts were never shown so it’s unclear what the money was spent on

Community meeting in hr50mins monero-project/meta #1039

<geonic> plowsof: any word from core about the 867 xmr missing from the FFS? <= what?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> enter panic mode

this one forum.getmonero.org/9/work-in-progress/2564/0mq-by-tewinget , an overfunding that was meant to be returned to the GF

im going to pass you onto the bF / GF department , thank you for holding sir

Oh. Neither bf nor I have the ffs wallet

goenic mentioned there being multiple as sub addresses didnt exist? does that sound accurate (im not sure) cc fluffypony

geonic*

Meeting time monero-project/meta #1039 sorry im 1 minute late

luigi are the rumours true that your yachts navigation system is using windows 3.1 and unaffected by the recent global tech issues

lets discuss some community highlights. waiting on a multisig solution with great UX was mentioned earlier this week libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20240717#c399026 , so far jwinterm and gingeropolous have put their names in the hat

Hello, I guess.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> News: [Monero Observer](monero.observer) - [Revuo Monero](revuo-xmr.com) - [Monero Moon](themoneromoon.com)

greetings

<b​oog900:monero.social> hi

<y​amabiiko:unitoo.it> Hi

meow

hello there

i notice vthor has been pushing xmrsigner along, can we follow the latest progress somewhere?

i think we can move onto the ccs merge list

a. [ofrnxmr feat. BasicSwapDEX - take over the world pt 2](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/457)

luigi left a comment 5 days ago here repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/457#note_25391

ofrnxmr made some changes following that

plowsof: not finished yet, took almost 22h to build modified monero-wallet-rpc on pi 0, and now I will (after static build runs through) finish last things UR related on the XmrSigner, close all my refactoring construction places, update the buidroot (monerosigner-os) and then I finaaly finished milestone 2

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> 1860 xmr us only 306k usd now luigi

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> s/us/is

thanks for the update vthor, nice to see that progrss is being made finally. thank you

moving on for now

b. [Monero Poker Infrastructure Project](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/461)

after that it get's easier how most things already done for monero-gui, and milestone 3 is only cleanup, tools, refactoring and documentation.

seems stale now and the "xmr.poker exists but isnt active" point is convincing enough to close this imo

i notice boog900 and yamabiiko are here. i would like to jump to yamabikos proposal next

k. [yamabiiko full-time work on Cuprate (2 months)](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/479)

i see that this is a cuprate work proposal but part of it will be for contributing to core docs , on ZMQ

for example this old issue requesting ZMQ docs on site monero-project/monero-site #1883

<r​ucknium:monero.social> I said this already in #cuprate:monero.social to yamabiiko: I was surprised that ZMQ was the highest-priority cuprate item now, but maybe that's because the cuprate core-functions development has gone so quickly. I am looking forward to the first alpha release of the cuprate binary

<r​ucknium:monero.social> ZMQ docs are welcome. I tried to get moneros's ZMQ to work once, but I couldn't figure it out. Maybe docs with a few recipes like how to subscribe to txs from a Python script :)

<y​amabiiko:unitoo.it> I didnt even know that issue exists, but me and boog noticed the lack of documentation so seems good

what will ZMQ docs change? is it important?

<b​oog900:monero.social> yamabiiko: will need to go through monerod to know what the types are, it makes sense to document these types at the same time as porting them to Cuprate IMO

our ZMQ implementation has issues? (or would that hopefully be discovered?) would be nice for vtnerd to follow this proposal also

<y​amabiiko:unitoo.it> There is little to none info on how to setup ZMQ and what fields are sent for example

or is this for, in the case of cryptogrampys issues, service to be created that receive near-real-time updates from monerod without having to poll for data

<r​ucknium:monero.social> IIRC monerod's ZMQ README warns that sometimes txs might not be announced to ZMQ. Anyone know why that could happen? Can cuprate guarantee that txs get sent by ZMQ?

the previous cuprate meeting monero-project/meta #1036

3 months not 2* i forgot to update the issue sorry

<b​oog900:monero.social> I think that's to do with the underlying ZMQ lib, so no

hello

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> hello

luigi1111: do you remember who did have access to the FFS wallet? And whether it was one wallet or separate wallets for each proposal

i think we can move on from yamabiikos proposal now? during the super official community meeting everyone is engrossed in currently geonic !!!!

:D

xD

Is there a quorum? I see 3 ppl :p

What means quorum?

Enough people to hold a meeting

<l​m:matrix.baermail.fr> 👋

im sure there are other people not here keeping fingers on the pulse elsewhere and serving just as an important role to the project if they where in our presence currently

ok thanks for attending yamabiiko, lets move on

d. [rehrar help out the project](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/470)

I have a finger on the pulse meme but I'll refrain :p

No comments it seems

10-10 votes for rehrar, +1 from luigi to make it a landslide victory, merging rehrar

😂

now then

<l​m:matrix.baermail.fr> Was there any discussion with monerobull of potential share of the work ?

I see a lot of ppl working on site

And not enough people taking over the world

not the people who are proposing to do so tho.

:D

maybe move rehrar to funding required and put a banner that the proposal generated significant discussion with a link to the github

it's true

this has been done before

Almost a direct quote from your own ccs comments :D lol

ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/monero-to-the-oscars.html for reference: the top of the proposal

ok so rehrars merged lets move on

Yay

i already +1 diego, but im -2 if the "luogi

"Luigi's assistant" is the job

vostoemisios animated video proposals (2) - which i think should just move into 1 to centralise the feedback (anyone feel strongly about this?)

I’m not clear if these are menat to replace the videos on the website?

meant*

e. [VOSTOEMISIO - FCMP Animated Explainer Video](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/472)

f. [VOSTOEMISIO - Remake Introductory "What Is Monero?" Video](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/473)

I think 1 makes things cleaner, but its still the same number of total milestones

Geonic, 473 is

the "Introductory" is meant to replace it yes (i assume)

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> will he be making decisions on CCSs?

No

all of them

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> good

I mean no

vosto has done previous work so we know what we're getting, not much risk on moving to funding, its just about gathering feedback from community at each stage

Vost also does firo work

vosto always delivers and more than a few people have commented on how dated our stuff looks

+1

These people are not our audience though

He did monerokon stuff too

all paid

Rehrar, are you luigis assistant

I’d like for vosto to be more proactive in soliciting feedback

Or plowsof's

as the video is on the main page, i shuld think for that specific one a white background would be warranted as it would look weird .. but the content/graphics of vostos stuff are really friendly ,, not darknet money vibes at all

If he asked me to do some things I would. But the primary roles are to do things he doesn't want to do independently. This takes things off of his plate.

yeah, feedback gathering is the most important thing

i need to lose a bit of weight so this is a welcome addition, thank you rehrar

it also needs to have less text than the previous videos. They’re so crammed with information as to be incomprehensible and lose the viewer. And the actor’s voice is monotone

<x​mrscott:monero.social> Might be worth trying to do something that is also dark mode friendly should the site ever support dark mode

Only about a quarter of my work would be doing what he asks. The other stuff is independently driven.

the tone used describe assistant sounds like youll do what luigi asks, regardless of what community wants

yes, export white + dark background

dark and light mode we want then

And another VO actor

and gathering feedback, no isses with merge to funding though

issues*

he should involve us in choosing the VO actor

noted

Which doesn't sound very appealing. Just more of the same. I'm voting for diego to be his own person, not for diego to be luigis legs

h. [monerobull for website workgroup](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/476)

ofrnxmr: this is luigi’s proposal so …

ofrn give it a trial period. Let's see how things shake out. If after we give it a go you decide I'm not able to do enough independently, that can be voiced.

hardenedsteel not a fan of the lowering the temperature stuff in the comments here 😅

geonic: its really my proposal.. but where luigi closed mine and told diego to open his own

Mb has been mia on site. I cant endorse the proposal

I think you'll find things turn out well

what’s the delineation between rehrar and monerobull

Luigi seems to think they can work together

mb said he could do the job for cheaper, but hasnt done the job or even scoped to do the job

neither has rehrar afaict

Again, 0 presence on monero-site.

Rehrar has code on site

i think rehrar made getmonero

Recently I mean

I agree about recently. As i said a few mins back, both rehrar and mb are absent on -site atm

A lot of other contributors.. and we have a maintainer

yes, no reason to judge one and not the other

who’s the maintainer currently?

zoom out!

luigi

wrong

Its ofrnxmr in a mask

(its not luigi)

the plan was to keep holding meetings until monerobull didnt attend one and rehrar did

(:

monerobull was here today actually and i spoke with him (not like he's not here) just saying lol

I mean, if people want to fund mb too I don't see why not

Yeah. Question is who does what

i do see why not..

yes luigis comments mention both are elligible for funding and dont cancel the other

What are we funding? moderator position?

No that’s unpaid

I’d like to move to make mb head matrix mod though

so what are we funding? Nothing

head of moderation involved being a able to lead other mods

Mb wants to be a mod. I dont think the ccs implies anything to do with leading anybody

its hard to go from no presence in the elite mod circle to being their boss ,, the inclusion should be gradual

That was one of the "positions" we were looking to fill afaik

fk gradual

capable

ofrnxmr: do you like mb for unpaid matrix mod?

yes

We’ve got a second

all in favor? :p

This really isn't complicated. luigi doesn't want to lead the mod team. He asked if I'd do it. I added it to the responsibilities.

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> 😂😅

rehrar, im on boars with you leading mod team

rehrar has already links / involvement with the current mod team for years

Rehrar already owns matrix mod team

(literally)

Yes that’s why we should distribute responsibilities

finger on the pulse, and power switch

We need to reelect mods

Since current mods arent elected at all.

(aside from plowsof)

If someone wants to take over infrastructure work from Cypher Stack, do let core team know.

dropping binarybarons latest proposal here: i. [From Prototype to Marketplace: Maturing the XMR-BTC Atomic Swaps Ecosystem](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/477)

No, i prefer you keep if and get paid to do it @rehrar

Keep it*

And let someone else moderate for free

so we need clarification on monerobulls proposal now that rehrars has been merged and weve all accepted it

DeCenTRaliZatioN and all that

im not speaking from a position of bias, but i dont like like unstoppable has been dealt with for the last year+

yes but I think we can agree to make him a matrix mod for now. He has agreed to do it for free

geonic, we need to replace mods and sort out power hierarchy

I vote for #monero mod (not admin)

Remove all mods except plowsof, add mb

Mb* for #monero

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> .... mb isn't most professional for mod position... but idc

and rehrar (unpaid)

we’re looking for effective, not professional

Rucknium for mrlab and mrlounge

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> 100% then he should be mod

<v​tnerd:monero.social> They cannot make this guarantee, zmq drops when the connection queue is full

plowsof: is this in the minutes? (:

when i was a wee lad, before mod powers, i was given piecemeal permissions. first mod in community on matrix and such

yes

i was given mod on irc, then it was revoked because i was changing room topics "to_text_like_this"

then i had to go to irc school

now i just dont change topics anymore

Yes we need to see mb’s certificate of achievement in online moderation :p

mb has discord certif

that should qualify him to moderate any cesspool

discord / reddit and monero town

hi vtnerd, thanks for commenting

Banhammer needs to demote from admin > mod in rooms where it is an admin, and really, banhammer should be on monero.social, not matrix.org

hello binarybaron

And monerobulls mod account should be monero.social

hey everyone, einliterflasche and I are here in case any questions arise regarding our CCS proposal

So we have 3 Matrix mods - plowsof, monerobull, rehrar. They can decide amongst themselves who will be head mod as long as we’re clear the mod positions are unpaid

<r​ucknium:monero.social> AFAIK, the matrix.org federation issues have mostly been solved. Big thanks to whoever worked on that ❤️

The leading of the mod position is included in my proposal and I'd be billing hours for that portion

(i need to disable the bot that tells people to leave matrix dot org hm)

It was made clear by luigi that moderator is an unpaid position

its not abt federation issues, but about homeserver admin power over the account. Matrix.org sholdnt have control over our rooms

leading the mod team isn't

i followed through by creating a monero social account then became emotionally distressed over playing matrix encryption key roulette.... i need a separate device for my social account

Says who?

leading mod team includes running the homeserver

Its an administration job

says who it's not?

binarybaron is here btw if anyone has Q's about his atomic swap proposal

<r​ucknium:monero.social> If moderation personnel is being adjusted, can #MRL Matrix re-enable emoji reactions for all users?

<luigi1111> he can sure be a mod about me but that's not a paid role

diego isnt meant to be a mod afaict.

Hes meant to be the mods admin

"be a mod" being the term he used thehre

<lluigi1111> although I see the issue with diego listing leading mods or whatever

repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/477 6 monther

rehrar: can you agree to to allow rucknium permission to reenable emojis in mrl

#emojigate has gone on for far too long

lol

lol why was that disabled?

Because some mod power tripped

<x​mrscott:monero.social> Room has Send Reactions: Default

You can lead mods but it’s unpaid. I’m sure you’ll find something else to bill for.

MRL is a serious room, too many children leaving crying laugh emojis when oooo123 was around and those idiots had emoji perms removed ( i also had perms removed )

<r​ucknium:monero.social> xmrscott: Most Matrix users in #MRL are set to power:1, which disables emoji reactions.

unfortunately for you, you don't decide. It's in the current proposal. I have no current plans to change it.

Do you decide?

thanks for attending binarybaron, 8 updoots and comments already. my only issue would be the length of 6 months, your previous proposals where not so long? (and one of them you where slow to complete)

There goes the old Diego again

I retract my comment to move to funding required

It was one of the things luigi asked me to take on. It's one of the things I accounted for when I made up hours and price

<r​ucknium:monero.social> I like emoji reactions because it reduces the number of redundant messages. People can 🙏, 🚀, 👍️ a bunch without sending more messages. Of course IRC cannot see them.

It is obvious rehrar has no plans to be accountable to the community as his ccs purports

you do not = community geonic

I said I retract my comment, I didn’t say I’m community

you keep saying “luigi asked me” as if that’s the word of God. It’s not

+1 to geonics last msg

I dont enjoy hearing what luigi asked

s/luigi/plowsof and you sound a lot better

he asked me to take those roles from him so he won't have to do them. I will be accountable to the community on whether or not they're done well. If not, he can choose a different person for the role.

Luigi never has had anything to do with matrix mod

r​ucknium I saw your 3 emojis :)

I guess it depends

there are matrix rooms with current mods. He's in them. And he's asked to make decisions on some things. And he doesn't want to do that anymore.

Thats not how shit should work

I don't think the "leading the mods" needs to be that contentious. Cultivating community culture and mod relationships is the idea more or less. "moderating" is not a paid position

plowsof Looking at the scope of the CCS this is a six month project. We believe there won't be trust issues since we have already completed two CCSs. We would really like some safety that we can really spend six months on this as committing to the project means spending less time university for a whole semester.

So the community picks a new mod. He doesn’t.

I'm not modding matrix, though I'm present in the room

Mods shouldnt go crying to luigi for permission to do anything

Mods should mod their own rooms to be on topic

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> Being a mod for matrix is like... bitch position?

so remove it from the “job description”. Rehrar does not get authority over mod team with this role. He's welcome to use his soft skills as much as he wants

xmrfamily wanted to mention an idea for creating a "non profit monero organization that deals with advocation for smarter msb/ regulations state,national, international levels ", would this be twisted-edwards / monero-policy related?

Anything else should be extreme circumstances where banhammer is used due to common sense (like uploading content that is no-good)

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> Sorry about profanity

Rehrar is ineligible to hold a leadership position as long as this statement stands

pay him for services if you want

we should have an election then

nah, just hold a vote. Mb said he’ll do it for free. Let him do it.

a open end to the meeting here, please continue and thank you all for attending

geonic: amending it to something referencing community culture is fine with me. He will likely be ops in -community but that's not really billable

ops on matrix, yes?

no on irc. He is on matrix already afaik

has there been a lack of moderation on irc?

according to some yes, but that's not really the point.

no. There are mods who want their perm bans mirrorerd here

(im not allowed on matrix, for example)

Irc is perfectly moderated as it is

plowsof Also, we thought that splitting proposals into 3 month segments is mostly done for proposals for continuous projects like dev salaries that are periodically renewed. This will be a one-off thing with a clearly defined scope. So we think it makes sense to request funding for 6 months directly.

but if he wants to be an unpaid irc mod, fine

Geonic - im banned in monero-beef here 💀

Remember when sgp tried to get us both banned in offtopic on irc? Yeah, that weak shit

I might leave this channel if he’s opped here though

I'm in favor of merging binarybaron btw

geonic> I might leave this channel if he’s opped here though <= he's not going to ban you, but no one can force you to stay

i can force him

Geonic and I are inseparable

Depends on how imperious his behavior gets

ah yes, as in the past when I had power and used it to ban geonici

or other dissenters

I dont see why he'd need mod here. We dont have a moderation problem (users) on irc in community. We have a mods problem

Correct

On matrix

fwiw, I don't want to see geonic go, so I would request no op here on irc

whoa. Now kith

Muah

:*

Plowsof has ops here and plow's been moderating community just fine for yrs

he's been ops here for like 6 months lol

On matrix

wait maybe it's been longer

Nah its around 6 months

Remember, sgp wanted you to ban me

anyway irc mostly doesn't get spammers for whatever reason. Too old school. Ofc there have been exceptions.

Ive been banned for 6 months on matrix

Sgp should be removed as mod

He was removed

spg stepped down

(stepped down)

Now xmrscott has taken to being even worse

Does scott want to step down

no

xmrscott: many people want you to step down

Scott literally lied to selsta and said i threatened peiples lives. As an excuse to keep banning me

Rehrar replaces xmrscott

+1

<0​xfffc:monero.social> +1 from me too

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> +1

And if rehrar doesn’t want to do it since it’s not billable, let monerobull do it

I'm already in the rooms and contribute

Replace

xmrscott to step down as mod and admin

I think that’s the most votes we’ve gotten at this meeting

Changed the line in the proposal

to be more in line with what was requested

Ty

I like old wording better

<0​xfffc:monero.social> I definitely support rehrar. I am sure he will be great.

he’ll definitely be an improvement

I was speaking to geonic's comment, ofrnxmr

that I'm already there doing it for free

100. But new wording doesn't say other mods have to care what he says

Xmrscott acts as the defacto leader of the mods

Problematic mods should be removed

e.g. xmrscott

He undermines other mods - like rucknium and plowsof

He can’t keep a ban on matrix that’s not reflected on IRC

Diego = new leader. I prefer old writing that said as much

<x​mrscott:monero.social> I have certainly been made aware that several people have made comments about my being kill on sight before MoneroKon this year, yes

Let’s not change the subject shall we

What is scott larping about now

new wording to your standards geonic?

rehrar: yes I’m happy with the wording, thank you

although I’m not sure that “Being a leader in the Monero Community workgroup” is a paid position either, but whatevs

rehrar - if plowsof, selsta, rucknium etc unban me in rooms like support, gui, dev, etc, are you going to veto them? 🙃

No. I'd like to see mutes used more than bans generally.

Mute for what

Gives people time to cool off and remember to be excellent to each other

I never didnt anything in any of those rooms

sorry ofrnxmr was saying two different things and combined them to one message

So basically luigi got so tired of hearing xmrscott whine about banning ppl on IRC that we have to pay someone to do it

gotcha

Sounds abt right.

Like plowsof said "herding cats"

the problem here seems to be xmrscott and it’s easily solvable

xmrscott isn't the problem.

xmrscptt is the problem, rehrar

is someone else handing out bans that are not reflected on irc?

Why did rucknium leave -beef?

matix bridges to irc, not the other way around

A slight tweak has been made to rehrars proposal repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…5bb622e3d69baa47e1ac068d3c33d692728

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> is it still the meeting ? or have we transitioned to #monero-beef?

monero-beef = im banned

And ricknium left the room because scott kept banning me there, reversing ruckniums decisions

In his defense, you were pretty toxic when you got banned. I think that ban should be removed now though

geonic, you have poor memory

I was banned the day of fhe ((()))

And i was banned because erciccione bannedme from -site and -translations

And when dan asked for my unban, Scott started muting people

Are you banned in this room on matrix?

I was banned while working.

Yes

that’s BS

Im banned in every room on matrix

Including support, mrl, gui, dev, offtopic, beef

<r​ucknium:monero.social> "Why did rucknium leave -beef?" libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20240312#c346039

xmrscott’s gotta go

rehrar: how will you handle this situation as the newly hired soft skills guy?

<v​tnerd:monero.social> github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/docs/ZMQ.md

<v​tnerd:monero.social> Forgot to mention this earlier, there are some docs for zmq usage

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Not hired yet. :P

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Or is this a campaign question.

Interview question

(:

<y​amabiiko:unitoo.it> I am aware of those but imo it should be updated/expanded

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I think the primary problem is lack of focus and agreement between mods on how things should be handled. Can't even agree on CoC enforceability or if we need one (I personally don't care for it).

<v​tnerd:monero.social> What do you need? Examples?

<b​oog900:monero.social> Fields of each object sent, examples, here is our RPC docs for example: getmonero.org/resources/developer-guides/daemon-rpc.html

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> My god what a discussion

So how would you handle this specific situation? A user is banned on Matrix and TPTB are refusing to enforce the ban on IRC

"I think the primary problem is lack of focus and agreement between mods on how things should be handled."< yeah. Too much of this retarded shit

mods who think like that gotta go

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'd unban. Clear slate kind of thing. Set rules for mods and minimal sane rules for rooms.

I moderation numerous rooms. Its not rocket science to kick/ban a spammer or to keep a convo ob-topic.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Reason being everything has been so nebulous until now that an argument can be made for banning anyone.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Once rules have been set and all mod team is brought to a similar baseline, we can start enforcing.

when you start adding your personal feelings to the matter, you should step down.

Rules are simple: stayon topic

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Ofrnxmr I disagree that's the only rule though. Libera also has rules that need to be followed.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> If we don't follow them they'll close the rooms.

Dont insult groups of people. Dont doxx people. Dont mthreaten people etc

Common sense

Any bridge needs to align with the policies on IRC. Otherwise it’s a censored imitation and should be removed altogether

One last thing is room temperature. When things get very heated or insults start flying, I think people need breaks.

Hence mutets.

These mods have np allowing users to spam "banofrn" accounts for weeks

*mutes

I'm generally not for bans on contributors unless egregious

bring back the shadow bans for nostalgia

lets make monero great again

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> just dont block the hate speech

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> people use it a lot

Haha

we have a mod resolution room now, and no shadow mutes currently unlike years ago so things have improved

Yeah it was fun when matrix users couldn’t keep up with the convo

I also think people need to make liberal use of the ignore functions

and diego: keeping the room on-topic tends to lean towards all of thr other rules being followed

totally fine if you don't care to see things from certain people that rub you the wrong way. But take some personal responsibility in that

any way to fix the bridge so irc users can ignore matrix users and vice versa?

Rehrar, "ignore" is for wusses

Geonic - not atm. The old bridge isnt functional

The new bridge is 1 account (mrelay)

So ignore doesn’t work atm

Its really not that difficult to keep most rooms inline: stay on topic

ofrnxmr> Like plowsof said "herding cats" <= this is plagiarism, plowsof defend yourself

all this said, this isn't Zcash where the primary imperative is to never offend anyone ever.

luigi1111: can u tell us about the FFS wallet pls

Going offtopic leads to breaking libera rules. On topic stuff rarely does that

the goal is not offense, obviously, but all the same

who ran it & was there more than one wallet? Did the balances update automatically (on the website) or was that done manually?

oh boy. um

either way, got an event thingy

I think balances updated live. I think maybe integrated addresses or just payment IDs were used.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> I don't care for politics or insults, I just want mod bcs I'm one tab away from matrix +12 hours of the day and thus am usually there when there is a spammer / illegal content

who plagiarised who? luigi1111

whom*

@whom stop plagiarising

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> I already mod discord/reddit/town and nobody has ever complained

Make mb mod already

Who has admin in #monero

Plowsof? Make mb a mob

luigi1111: who has/had the keys to the FFS wallet(s)?

or was in charge of disbursements

fluffy/his team ran the infra. I don't have security details

Got it

disbursements fluffy did until I started in (let me check)

end of 2016

So still FFS times?

yeah I received lumps every so often and paid out from that

Do you remember making this last 133 XMR payment in 2020? forum.getmonero.org/9/work-in-progress/2564/0mq-by-tewinget

you can ignore people without an ignore function

not easy when they’re hurling insults at you

I don't think I made that payment

Ok and you don’t have access to the keys for this wallet right

no

Final Q. Did you handle the payments for project coral reef?

it also has an “available balance” listed

nope

Tx

will the mods moderate Gitlab/CCS comments and discussions as well?

I am only asking because CCS discussions these days seem to also get stuck, quite frequently, in the children's den that is the MBPV (monero bipartisan playground vortex).

Atm, only bot spam is moderated

And really, gitlab needs to change the cloudflare fkrewall lvl from "legacy captcha" to "managed" or "bypass"

It's quite unlikely midipoet to integrate everywhere that comments are possible in some common ruleset, do you think that would be possible?

It’s probably enough to make decisions on CCS proposals quicker so we don’t let the CCS conversations devolve

msvb-lab: well rehrar talked of a minimum ruleset (that is not a CoC) that is also aligned with Libera rules (which are supposedly a policy as opposed to a CoC). So who knows.

What i wouldn't mind is some leadership shown that doesn't involve paying proxy leaders, but perhaps that's too much to ask.

We’ve confirmed the mod work is unpaid

great, well then I'll look forward to the 20 hours of "other" work then, as rehrar is also good at a lot of other things that aren't mod related.

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> Tis bitch work

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Ill probably do this.

do what?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Initiative on policies and things.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Yes geonic. Unpaid.

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> +1

I guess thanks and dankon for the meeting, goodbye.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> So whats new ….

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Traitor

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Geonic and i are bff

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Alex | LocalMonero | AgoraDesk: just to be certain, the block explorer @ localmonero.co/blocks will cease to exist?