<3​21bob321:monero.social> Jitsi did something weird

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Asks for signup or something

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Also not e2ee

<x​mrscott:monero.social> 1) Was because like any free service, people abused it: jitsi.org/blog/authentication-on-meet-jit-si

<x​mrscott:monero.social> 2) jitsi.org/e2ee-in-jitsi

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> lies

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> the jitsi e2ee just nukes the instance

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it goes "END TO END ENCRYPTION: ON"

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and then nobody can hear anyone anymore, even if you turn it off

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> technically, you can't be spied on if nobody can talk to each other ;)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i used to abuse jitsi.debian.social for streaming movies

<a​udrea:matrix.org> hi need help

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> hello, with what specifically?

<j​ohnfoss68:matrix.org> themoneromoon.com/p/the-monero-moon-issue-71

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> "Grab a beer and fall asleep." plowsof 😂

<t​uxsudo:tux.pizza> doesn't seem to work on non-Chromium browsers 😒

<t​uxsudo:tux.pizza> I have used it successfully, when everyone is using a browser like Brave

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Firefox gang

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Actually, all my browsers are broken

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> So now I have to use edge to stream movies 💀

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Firefox bcs it's hardened and no idea what happened to chrome

edge is chrome

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i know

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> just microsoft tracking instead of google

<t​uxsudo:tux.pizza> stream movies? Is it a site like Netflix that requires Widevine

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> do you re-harden your firefox after ever update?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> stream the way normal people do on discord

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> do you re-harden your firefox after every update?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> no?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i check if webrtc is leaking ip though

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> that look like a pain in the ass

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> why not mullvad if your so tight on security

<t​uxsudo:tux.pizza> I swear I saw a privacy/Monero (maybe not Monero but just general privacy) meetup happening adjacent to the Bitcoin Nashville one, but I can't find it for the life of me and twitter search sucks ass. If somebody knows please link me

<t​uxsudo:tux.pizza> I swear I saw a small privacy/Monero (maybe not Monero but just general privacy) meetup happening adjacent to the Bitcoin Nashville one, but I can't find it for the life of me and twitter search sucks ass. If somebody knows please link me

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Also interested!

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> lu.ma/thyyoysm cc tuxsudo

<t​uxsudo:tux.pizza> thanks bro ❤️

<t​uxsudo:tux.pizza> So it's "Bitcoin" privacy, but maybe I can sneak Monero in there.... 😏

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> I thought I saw you on the list of speakers! 😀

<t​uxsudo:tux.pizza> unfortunately my LTC talk is during the first hour but I might be able to swing by for the second half

<t​uxsudo:tux.pizza> yessir, I will be speaking briefly at Litecoin for MWEB integration and Bitcoin for Silent Payments, along with Rafael from Cake.

<t​uxsudo:tux.pizza> gotta be careful tho BTC conference is very anti alt coin

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Noice!

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> and alt iterative improvements of any kind it seems lol

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> and anti iterative improvements of any kind it seems lol

<t​uxsudo:tux.pizza> it would be hilarious if I got banned because I have a monero sticker on my laptop. I don't think they are that anal about it but who knows

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> It's a religion lol be careful. I hear Musk will be there now too.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Tux is following sith lords path

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Wonder if he unders up at the same place, btc cant be private

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Wonder if he ends up at the same place, btc cant be private

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> from personal experience, the smart ones get that there is a reason why monero exists and is used

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and the not so smart ones don't even know how their own tech works so who cares about their opinions

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> x.com/TheVladCostea/status/1814348130374262786 This was really long, but a very interesting example of how thick-skulled BTC'ers can be.

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> This ^^

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> was reading a bit more of hijacking bitcoin today

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i bought the book, i think theres a pdf on monero.town

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but the best part was about tone vays being told how lightning works

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but the best part so far was about tone vays being told how lightning works

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> lightning feels like a hack. I hate L2's, but that one is the worst

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> I just wish we would solve the trilemma already and get some good smart contract action at scale on a PoW chain

<s​trawberry:monero.social> what other L2's?

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> oh... and a commodity backed stablecoin

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> zK L2's are fancy... but bridges feel like a hack

<s​trawberry:monero.social> honestly no idea how the eth ecosystem works, what are those?

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Some CPU/GPU mining algo on a chain that can do 50k actual TPS and smart contracts would be nice

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> an Eth L2 uses smart contracts to "rollup" tx's and secure them on ETH

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> So technically they can rebuild the L2 off of ETH data

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> zK uses fancy moon-math encryption to do the work instead of "optimistic" rollups that just assume things are accurate.

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> I'm not being fair, but those are high-level explanations shared by others who know more than me

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> is there even a trustless eth L2 already?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> most of them are basically glorified multisigs

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Technically thats what zK L2's are

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> are you sure?

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> "Zero-knowledge cryptography"

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ive heard some use zk proofs but still have admin keys

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i know what it is and people abuse the term

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> they think a L2 that uses zk is private for some reason

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> many think a L2 that uses zk is private for some reason

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> It's not "private", but it doesn't require tx-data to be posted to the L1, just the validity proof.

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> So it's more private than an optimistic rollup? lol

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> The L2 itself isn't private

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i know

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> But you can make "privacy pools" using zK and smart contracts

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> eth ecosystem is a fucking mess

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Agreed, but I love smart contracts....

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Huge step towards a truly p2p economy.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah they are cool

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but look at this crap lmao

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/GypOXMKAxmCTiMmyQkbkSMkS

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> It's a fragmented mess full of mysterious bridges

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> We should be able to build something better

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> but VC's love that 100x return copy-pasta

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ETH with its own sharding could have been the literal best chain for anything but payments

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> and all the devs are javascriptkiddies so they circle jerk each other into this mess

<s​trawberry:monero.social> for all the UX problems with lightning, it's not custodial garbage like liquid, ecash, bridges, etc

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> kayaba already promised to build monero L2 with EVM after we're quantum resistant /s

<s​trawberry:monero.social> although most people do use custodial lightning wallets

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> lol

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> isnt like 98% of lightning liquidity custodial?

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> But then I'm bridging again aint I?

<s​trawberry:monero.social> 98%? probably not, but its high

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Unfortunately I fear once monero gets 1 L2... it will get 30+ just like Eth

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> We should be able to scale by subnetting and merge-mining

<s​trawberry:monero.social> more people might use lightning properly if opening channels was cheaper, which goes back to the high btc fees

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Have you seen Quai? They're in testnet, but the tech is pretty cool.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> nah no chance

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> no VC money in monero

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> kayaba will have to build it all by themself

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> LOL!

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah, we are toxic

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Nah, just private tx's scare most people

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ah fuck deleted the tweet#

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ccdata.io/research/esg-rankings

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> haha

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/DyEyaOaEfqavODqmWmWFgQRN

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> whats that benchmark of ? lol

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> With polkadot at the top???

<s​trawberry:monero.social> cryptoassets have ESG ratings!?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ESG ranking :D

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> x.com/stacy_muur/status/18080841185…40370?s=46&t=d0V-aPG_VHfwmUsEtjGOxw

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> grafik.png

<s​trawberry:monero.social> explains all the proof of stake coins

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> ahh they were #5 lol

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> The world runs on snake oil

So Monero has the worst ESG ranking, nice

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> marketing in crypto is bullshit

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> Environmental: the ones at the top for environmental is due to the PoS i guess because not much energy consummed but as we all know you cant have store of value without PoW

Stamp of approval

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> Social: who knows what that even means

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> Governance: yea i get why monero is at the bottom in here lol

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i bet all the marketing spent on crypto scams has made more profit than legit projects marketing spending

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> It's a circle jerk

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> I did a few Eth conventions and gave up

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> the scammers actually want to turn a profit, the crypto projects just blast out money financed by inflation / premine

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Now I'm exploring PoW and while it's not as bad... its far more... religious? lol

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Like you said.. most don't even understand their own tech

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> barely anyone can profitably mine

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> now add in a $20k asic up front

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Truth

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> thats how you get cope like the recent bitaxe hype

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> I have a theory... chains that choose an ASIC'able algo today do so for financial forecasting. #of miners * price of miner can likely predict price enough to get a VC hooked

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> well, PoW is essential if you want your currency to have value in the long run

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Agreed

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/jZTkkoFuHnfsxdgrAYoUiOUI

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> A commodity backed stable would be nice

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> this is at best a diy art project

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you know how loud those tiny fans get? 🤣

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> I'm keeping my eye on quai, we'll see how mainnet launch goes, but for now I'm mining monero

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Private tx's are an absolute necessity... so is the ability for smart contracts for a p2p economy. DeFi would be cool, but not as important in my opinion. The need for DeFi sprung out of all these shitcoins in Eth

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Private tx's are an absolute necessity... so is are smart contracts for a p2p economy. DeFi would be cool, but not as important in my opinion. The need for DeFi sprung out of all these shitcoins in Eth

<s​trawberry:monero.social> what are smart contracts really useful for? all eth stuff seems to facilitate more eth stuff in a circular reference kind of way

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i need one defi project

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Serai, my beloved

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Well... I guess 1 DeFi project for a stable coin... backed by a commodity would be needed, but if there's only 1... I guess the layer 1 could define the exchange protocol for that.

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Serai?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> serai.exchange

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> ahh lol

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> quite possibly the most important project for moneros future

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Wait... how is it a Dex without smart contracts on monero?

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> 😕

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it works a bit like thorchain

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you have a massive, 150 nodes multisig

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> ahh

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Are they the only DEX?

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> with monero

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> serai will be the only cross-chain AMM with monero support yes

<s​trawberry:monero.social> get on basicswap

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> there is also haveno dex but it serves a different purpose

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> oh yeah that as well

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> I always avoid saying "only" in this space lol

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it is the only one though

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> "Will be the only" ??

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> I've been waiting for one for like +3 years

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> lol got it

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah will be

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Are they protecting their IP or something?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> why?

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> or is it.. lack of VC's all over again?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> serai is actively being developed

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> I guess I don't understand how it will be the only if everything is open source

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> well there is economic stuff

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> thorchain is also open source and there has only been one fork

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and that was mainly because thorchain cant scale like serai can

<s​trawberry:monero.social> only one currently planned*

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> literally everyone else backed out

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> got it okay

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> thorchain, chainflip, maya

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> youtu.be/BBLHfSZU_OI

Holy offtopic batman

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Oh my bad

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> 🙏

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> no?

S'ok. Just this room is supposed to be monero workgroup related stuffs. #monero #monero-offtopic etc for more loose discussions

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> right but nobody uses #monero

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> :P

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah, probably should have gone to offtopic

Ikr :D (nobody uses #monero) lol. Offtopic used to be boomin tho, not sure about now

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> This was my bad. I rabbit holed us and thought I was already in off-topic

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Off-topic is poppin

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> You want me to say I got humbled yesterday?...... okay I did

<c​t:xmr.mx> The room title: Monero Community Workgroup

<c​t:xmr.mx> What people read: Monero Community "Workgroup"

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> Apologizes for my behavior

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> this is literally the monero community chat what do you mean :)

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