<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> primal.net/e/note1p4wm8tvvk7uy20x83…ju3643a8l4zrufmlz6a2ftzhveceqqd97zd

<3​21bob321:monero.social> soo when he at monerokon?

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> why what happened

<r​brunner7:monero.social> I left a report of my findings on the CCS issue here: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/477#note_25547

thank you

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Spoiler: I found absolutely nothing. The project just vanished, it seems.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Is this a new variant of CCS failure, in a way? Making a good CCS proposal, getting funded, building what was promised, making it work as a MVP or even a bit more, getting rightfully paid, and then ... just walking away without so much as a "goodbye"?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Vanished into the ether

Quiet quitting :) but they indeed have no obligation to continue. Im certain theyre not out of work, talented team

They did mention that they could expand their swap methods to other chains

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Contributors: h4sh3d, kayabaNerve, lederstrumpf, the charlatan, zkao

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/h4sh3d-atomic-swap-implementation.html

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Is there any app which is using farcaster code ?

After the farcaster CCS was completed someone asked when it was going to be put in use. The team responded that it was up to others to do so

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Isnt the charlatan active on GH

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> monero-project/gitian.sigs e35ab44

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> rbrunner7:

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > What I didn't find either was any info about what happened to the project and its important contributors like h4sh3d or TheCharlatan.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> I mostly meant those people in connection with the project. They are still around and active, on GitHub and elsewhere, but as far as I could see not in connection with Farcaster anymore.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> "The team responded that it was up to others to do so" Nothing to say against that, and nothing to complain from my side. It's just that it seems no "other" people to pick up the torch surfaced, and that's why the project is abandoned now.

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> I was originally associated with Farcaster yet left a few months after funding. At this time, it was the design docs of architecture, the codebase we were building from, I believe some cryptography, and I had started on some API/RPC code.

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> From my understanding, the codebase did hit at least a release candidate, yet I believe a pair of other developers was involved at that time? I'm unsure how they ended up in the role.

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> Re: the cited company, I'm unsure it's relevant. It's the company they used to handle financials. It doesn't change the devs on the project or their personal interest they had when they opened the CCS (though if there were a pair of other devs, I'm unsure how they were brought on).

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> The end point, is it abandoned, I'd guess probably :/ You can open conversations on if that's a problem with CCSs, a problem with this team, etc. Considering most atomic swap projects have been abandoned, it seems almost a natural conclusion.

Why have most atomic swap protocols been abandoned? Is there low market demand for them, or is there some other technical limitation/barrier?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> We'll be having a Monero Website meeting in 1.5 hours from now in #monero-site for anyone who wants to join. Lots on the table.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Interesting info, kayabanerve , thanks. I had the same question as midipoet crossing my mind when reading the last sentence: Is this merely a statistical observation of yours, or do you want do speculate that swap projects are especially prone to get abandoned?

Scenario: you have dirty btc that no instant swapper/exchange would accept. You can go p2p using bisq (and now haveno instance(s)) or, atomic swap it.

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> They're not the most complicated to make, yet they're very complicated to make advertising. I think most Monero atomic swap projects have been abandoned yet not most Monero atomic swap GUIs?

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> Also see projects like Bisq, Haveno, offering an atomic swap-esque UX and existing despite not actually being atomic swaps.

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> Though I'll also note atomic swaps haven't gained adoptance across Bitcoin and they've also had several efforts, including ones with quite decent UIs AFAIK.

Kayaba, any idea if any atomic swaps methods will be effected by FCMPs?

We're going to fund 6 months of COMIT maintenance + gui development repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/477

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> I think in general, the swap tech matters a fraction of the amount the UX matters. It's why Serai exists. It's decentralized, though it doesn't hit the same marks as atomic swaps, yet has no user liveness expectations. Wallets can integrate just by sending TXs (there's no need to integrate an entire P2P stack and remain open for tens of minutes).

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> plowsof: The current atomic swap protocol doesn't make any expectations on the signature used.

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> FCMPs I believe improve it though?

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> *I think TX chaining was one of the requested features to improve the protocol

<s​trawberry:monero.social> Is it true that FCMP tx size increases sublinearly with the number of inputs? If so, at what number of inputs does an FCMP tx become smaller than an equivalent current tx, and is there anything stopping multiple people from spending their outputs in the same tx to save on fees without trusting eachother?

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> That's one option. With the current ring size, probably 6 inputs by my off-hand math. I'd have to check though.

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> The privacy and complexity issues.

<k​ayabanerve:monero.social> A 5-8 input 10-16 output TX will stick out as some coin join. Besides, it may make sense to add a claw back as we did for the range proofs (removing reduced fees).

<s​azae:matrix.org> I am currently storing Monero on a virtual machine anonymized by Whonix. Is there a secure way to transfer that Monero to my smartphone while maintaining anonymity?

<s​trawberry:monero.social> Confused, what would be the risk in transferring it normally? If someone only compromises your phone, they can't tell where that XMR came from

<s​azae:matrix.org> I want to keep my activities on the virtual machine untraceable to my identity.

<s​azae:matrix.org> For instance, there are privacy concerns if I send the Monero address I created on my smartphone to my virtual machine via WhatsApp.

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> in that case, create a monero wallet on your whonix-powered vm, convert its keys to qr code

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> scan it on your cake/stack wallet (or whatever other wallet)

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> sync with the blockchain

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> and you're good to go imo

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> or you could do it in reverse

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> type your phone wallet's seed phrase into your vm and restore the wallet

<s​azae:matrix.org> I didn't think of converting the key into a QR code

<s​azae:matrix.org> Thank you so much. I'll give it a try.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Dont use whats app

<p​reland:monero.social> Just use Qubes smh

<p​reland:monero.social> “Easy”

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Trying to convince QubesOS devs to switch to wayland or accept GNOME challenge:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Difficulty impossible

<p​reland:monero.social> Lol

<p​reland:monero.social> Tbh don’t mind xfce; actually prefer it to gnome

<s​trawberry:monero.social> Preland gets it

<p​reland:monero.social> Asking Qubes OS devs if gpu acceleration is even anything more than vaporware: impossible

<s​trawberry:monero.social> GPU acceleration by 2050

<p​reland:monero.social> Lol

<p​reland:monero.social> Part of the issue is that the entire Qubes dev pipeline is made with those wimpy pipecleaners you see in craft stores

<p​reland:monero.social> I don’t even know *where* to look for most things on the dev side

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> QubesOS died the day Johanna left the project

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joanna_Rutkowska

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> founder of qubesOS. first to implement the bluepill hypervisor attack

<p​reland:monero.social> Plus to actually develop you basically have to either 1. Buy a second device to do nothing with but transfer/install stuff to it, or 2. dogfeed dogfeed dogfeed

<p​reland:monero.social> Neither of these options bode well for the project’s future, nor for the safety of developers

<p​reland:monero.social> I was wondering what had happened with her

<p​reland:monero.social> Also I call NSA exploit suppression bullshit on the “evil maid” attack not being discovered before 2009 lol

<p​reland:monero.social> Not saying she didn’t, but if no one else in security had even mentioned it before then…..

<p​reland:monero.social> You know what

<p​reland:monero.social> Hold on a sec

<p​reland:monero.social> Lol

<3​21bob321:monero.social> is that the chair from monerokon 2023?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> ^plowsof we found it

wow

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> chair to auction tomorrow