<3​21bob321:monero.social> hmmmmm

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> All of this is so heavily weighed to benefit btc that idek what its about

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> A maker gui? You can only post btc.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Rate warning about the purchase price of btc? Sounds good if it was s/btc/xmr, but you cant purchase xmr, you can only sell bitcoin

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its not a bad pair, but idk why we'd fund a btc-only maker gui

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> It benefits btc and only btc 🧐

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Markups on btc? Should be markdowns on btc.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> xmr _sells_ at a premium when xmr is the maker, not at a dirty coin discount + btc tx fees. Makes no sense to me to support what i feel is a tool for Bitcoin users to devalue + acquire the undervalued xmr.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> feels like funding bisq

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Markups on btc aka devaluing xmr, to me, is a clear example that shows that while btc benefits, xmr does not.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> focus on allowing xmr to be the making side maybe? You cant even use this to post xmr liquidity

<m​oonshots:matrix.org> Jio

<m​oonshots:matrix.org> Hello

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hi

<4​4moke:matrix.org> do you guys know anywhere I can sell my xmr for usd? localmonero was my goto, but it's gone now :[

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> haveno-reto.com

<4​4moke:matrix.org> does that allow for XMR->fiat, or is it only vice-versa

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> allows both

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it's a p2p dex

<4​4moke:matrix.org> ah, apologies. thank you guys :]

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> dont worry, that's what im here for :)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> its a program you have to install so it's a little bit more involved than localmonero but in return it's non-custodial

<4​4moke:matrix.org> that's pretty nice, also awesome that it's foss

<p​rancing389:matrix.org> I've followed MoneroTalk with Doug Tuman, but still, I find it difficult to live on Monero. I can't pay my bills for property tax, insurance, electric, fuel, groceries (except thru gift cards). The fuse is lit for the destruction of the current financial system, if we are not ready with a working circular economy by the time the banks all fail and they offer the digital currency, <clipped message>

<p​rancing389:matrix.org> we'll all be forced into the other system. Buying things I don't need to survive will not sustain us after the financial system implosion. I've repeatedly suggested we contact PoS terminal manufacturers and begin incorporating wallets there for merchants, but it all seems to be too hard for the folks involved. I don't have the technical expertise, but could help with integration t<clipped message>

<p​rancing389:matrix.org> esting and pilot programs should we get some industry support.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you cant be fanatical

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> if you cant pay your bills with monero, sell some on haveno and pay with that

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> selling monero on haveno is important because it gives others access to it

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you need to stay realistic if you dont want to burn out and go "all of this doesnt work anyways" after a few years

<p​rancing389:matrix.org> The crypto community is good about their knowledge of how something like Monero is a good replacement for something like VISA, but I have found the community has not accepted the inevitability of the financial system destruction and don't seem to be realistic on how near that day will be. A fire needs to be lit, because at current pace the CBDC's will be mainstream way before ret<clipped message>

<p​rancing389:matrix.org> ailers accept Monero. If that happens, we're forever relegated to some fringe community on the dark web only. These are my prediction based on what I've discovered in terms of the globalists efforts to reset the financial system and murder 98% of earth's population.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you've got it wrong

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> if CBDCs take over, that's the time monero will shine

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> once cash is gone, the demand for cash transactions doesn't vanish and monero will be the only supply

<p​rancing389:matrix.org> time will tell

<h​avenouser:monero.social> all of that already happened.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "murder 98% of earths population" smells like offtopic.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "suggest we contact PoS terminal manufacturers" be the change you want to see

<l​ezuero:matrix.org> I think people will pay attention either in Bitcon or Monero when they realize the CBDC is the ultimate control over their lives. Through CBDC it will possible control the amount of meat you can buy or even the number of hours you can use heat in your home, pay taxes before you can use your balance (if left some balance...).

<l​ezuero:matrix.org> For instance, I leave in South America, my country announced next year the currency will be totally digital, the central bankers claim that those people transationing without paying taxes (mostly with paper money) will be target because the digital system brings more "transparency". These people are mostly poor and middle class professionals offering basic services, such as do the<clipped message>

<l​ezuero:matrix.org> lawn, plumbing, home repairs, etc. If they paid taxes they would live a miserable life, its mandatory for them to bypass the taxes in order to have some dignity. I think, when the digital currency comes to reality there will be two alternatives either run to privacy digital currency or the organized crime will offer its own currency.

<p​rancing389:matrix.org> Joao, I have no doubt each new rollout of a digital currency will begin with some fiscally attractive incentives to draw people in their direction. The tyranny begins only after they have everyone on the system and have successfully crushed all the viable alternatives.

<l​ezuero:matrix.org> Indeed, they will use the same drug dealer strategy, the first shots are free, but...

<m​mxxx:monero.social> For instance, I leave in South America, my country announced next year the currency will be totally digital, the central bankers claim that those people transationing without paying taxes (mostly with paper money) will be target because the digital system brings more "transparency". These people are mostly poor and middle class professionals offering basic services, such as do the<clipped message>

<m​mxxx:monero.social> lawn, plumbing, home repairs, etc. If they paid taxes they would live a miserable life, its mandatory for them to bypass the taxes in order to have some dignity. I think, when the digital currency comes to reality there will be two alternatives either run to privacy digital currency or the organized crime will offer its own currency.

<m​mxxx:monero.social> Most people will sleep walk into ceding control over their lives. They already doing it their media and retail options. I don't think the majority will resist CBDCs.

<l​ezuero:matrix.org> And the few people who resist will be considered criminals and those same people will be blamed for any economic disaster.

<m​mxxx:monero.social> pretty much

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> ETH is the CBDC

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> All the banks investing in the "tokenize the world" narrative right now

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> and the community is easily owned... Oligarchy of validators

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero Offtopic cmon

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Dangit, did it again. My bad

<g​enessys:matrix.org> I would like to be a hosting provider so I can invest in Monero and mining

<g​enessys:matrix.org> cs.mojohost.com/aff.php?aff=345

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Monero featured in a recent UN report: main.un.org/securitycouncil/en/sanctions/1267/monitoring-team/reports

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > Characterizations of Monero being used by illicit actors or regulatory

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> requirements in some jurisdictions have resulted in some cryptocurrency exchanges

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> refusing to list it or other anonymity-enhancing cryptocurrencies, making it more

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> difficult for users to exchange Monero for fiat currencies or other cryptocurrencies,

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> compared with more readily available and liquid cryptocurrencies. Many Member

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> States require that registered or licensed virtual asset service providers manage and

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> mitigate the risks of using anonymity-enhancing technologies or mechanisms, such

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> as anonymity-enhancing cryptocurrencies if they choose to offer them

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> This paragraph must probably be the most objective observation I've ever read in a government related document

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no lie, no word twist, just observation

<g​enessys:matrix.org> How can I sell things in monero? Is anyone willing to pay for items in Montero? Houses, cars, land? Products?

<s​trawberry:monero.social> xmrbazaar.com

<g​enessys:matrix.org> But I can't physically go to the supermarket near my house and pay with monero, nor to Walmart... they're going to kick me out of the place.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Thats buying, not selling

<s​trawberry:monero.social> Unfortunately yes, you can't live off monero in most places (yet?)

<s​trawberry:monero.social> It's more useful for ordering things online, like for example you can buy anything off Amazon for monero by proxy

<g​enessys:matrix.org> Who is in charge of project crouwfounding?

<g​enessys:matrix.org> I would like to propose a concert ticket sales platform with payments in cryptocurrencies

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You'ren charge

<g​enessys:matrix.org> ??

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Community project. Dontasktoask.com

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> propose the platform

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ccs.getmonero.org

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> First paragraph has link to instructions

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> buy.Cakepay.com

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> coincards.com

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Walmart gift cards at 0% markup ^

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Prepaid mastercards at cakepay too