<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> it seems that ofrnxmr's sugar daddy is back

who's that?

kuno.anne.media/fundraiser/recb lmao

rotten will you commit to taking computer literacy classes if I donate

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Nate has failed you rotten

<3​21bob321:monero.social> All that time in TNO room and this happens -.-

but they were KYC-free, p2p scammers!

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> monerobull: I have removed the the hardware wallet support from the CCS as requested

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I have also removed the atomic swap feature, as some requested also

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> So it focuses more on Haveno

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/489

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> cool

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> geonic I'm sure you have never got gotten by scammers, and possess a PhD in "computer literacy", prestigious film maker. Defending your kind, scammer.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> is geonic the CCS proposer for the movie with monero?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> SyntheticBird the scammer.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Let's bring Monero to the oscars! 😂

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I wont lie the notification read: SyntheticBird, the scammer. I was almost going to bring weapons on this one

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> SyntheticBird You are a scammer.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Bring the big guns out boyo.

<v​olkodav97:matrix.org> I am having troubles with initial daemon local pruned sync - it got stuck a few times at the same height block. I restarted daemon to no avail, I deleted data.mdb too but eventually it would stall again. Any ideas ?

<v​olkodav97:matrix.org> Screenshot 2024-08-20 at 17.11.15.png

<h​orsesrcool:matrix.org> Are you on a hard drive or an ssd? Did you open port 18080 on your router? How big is the drive that you are trying to download the blockchain to?

<h​orsesrcool:matrix.org> For me when I did the first 3 it worked but then I found out that 240gb isn't enough even for the pruned blockchain and that my drive was failing so I had to resort to a remote node

<v​olkodav97:matrix.org> ssd port not opened the partition on the drive is 120 GB

<h​orsesrcool:matrix.org> You may also just have to wait really long, give it a day or two just in case you did everything and it still gets stuck

<h​orsesrcool:matrix.org> maybe there isn't enough space? How much gb do you have left rn with it stuck

<v​olkodav97:matrix.org> I understand pruned size should be ~40-50 GB

<r​ucknium:monero.social> volkodav97: Try `sync_info` in the monerod console

<h​orsesrcool:matrix.org> It should be but for me it ended up eating 120gb and became insanely slow to snyc so I gave up and used a remote node

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Is the drive external with a USB connection or inside the machine? If it is an external USB drive, it will be slower, but it shouldn't stop completely.

<v​olkodav97:matrix.org> internal

<h​orsesrcool:matrix.org> how long did you wait

<v​olkodav97:matrix.org> It is at 22 Gb now with 54.9 % as you can see

<v​olkodav97:matrix.org> last time it took about 4 hours

<v​olkodav97:matrix.org> I started this journey about 30 hours ago

<v​olkodav97:matrix.org> It stayed overnight with no results

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Try #monero-support:monero.social

<v​olkodav97:matrix.org> I have 92 Gb free on this partiton

<system> file 1000036463.mp4 too big to download (2365686 > allowed size: 1000000)

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> 1000036463.mp4

<v​olkodav97:matrix.org> Screenshot 2024-08-20 at 17.25.55.png

no idea about the pruned size but it is significantly bigger tha 50GB

92 should be good if it is indeed all available, but close

all IRC gets is Screenshot 2024-08-20 at 17.25.55.png

lol :(

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> nioCat skill issue

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> just come to matrix side

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> we have:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - bad encryption (still better than no encryption)

<v​olkodav97:matrix.org> Mind sharing a remote node?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - spams

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - shitty interface (but still better than yours)

<h​orsesrcool:matrix.org> moneroworld.com/#nodes this website lists out nodes

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> monero.fail?

<h​orsesrcool:matrix.org> That too

Why does encryption in our messaging platform matter when all logs are public?

Just for the DMs?

We dont use encryption on matrix rooms

Dm's, yes, otherwise the server admin (and others) can read your past and present private messages

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I trust dan not usingmy credit card number i let on an unencrypted channel

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> xmr.nowhere.moe

<v​olkodav97:matrix.org> thanks

<h​yolobrika:envs.net> Is it worth using Tor for Monero stuff but not for much else?

<h​yolobrika:envs.net> Or is that useless/bad/leaky?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I use Tor for everything ngl

<h​yolobrika:envs.net> Too slow and unnecessary when you don't mind your IP address getting leaked (I.e. VoIP calls with family)

<h​yolobrika:envs.net> Has anyone tried orangefren.com?

<h​yolobrika:envs.net> trocador.app doesn't support buying xmr with fiat anymore

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> use simplex for family calls

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> better privacy than tor

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'll recommend simpleX to my family when they'll have a native UI instead of their current web crap

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> whats the problem with apps?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> are there any kind of list/docs for monero or privacy related discontinued projects?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> the ones that could be beneficial to the ecosystem if its picked up again

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> please take farcaster

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> are there any kind of list/docs for monero or privacy related discontinued projects?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> the ones that could be beneficial to the ecosystem if its get picked up again

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> this is a cry for help

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> is that the only one?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No

<o​rangefren:monero.social> Yooo

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> do you have a list or something?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> WIP ccs list

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> More than a couple unfinished projects

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> It would help if we had an active todo list sort of thing for volunteers looking for an opportunity to help

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Do you mind if i ask

<c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> What is farcaster

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ccs.getmonero.org/work-in-progress

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> start at the bottom

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Some of these arent "dead"

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > > *Decentralizing Molly.im to support Monero payments*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> nostalgia

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> github.com/plowsof/ccs-wip-list#other

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> is it worth it though?

Need to do ccs coordination some time and update the list

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Theres cryptogrampy's hotshop

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Still WIP sar.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> afaik from the last meeting farcaster is technically and featurely superior to comit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> is it really?

<h​yolobrika:envs.net> It was tough enough getting them on Signal. My dad has SXC installed though

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> It 100% is.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it's been so long I thought they abandoned it fr

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I know you pay attention to the nonsensical, permanent heckling, pulled and twisted half truths of ofrn.

What did i do now

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> How can you say it's been abandoned if the other proposal just got a milestone completed and PR merged to monero's repository?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> LMAO

Its 100% the trjth

that i wrote your responses

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Are you retarded?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I didn't even know ofrnxmr said that rotten

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> What you laughing at? You high?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> He is online 24/7 making shit up and heckling even inanimate objects.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Really satisfied having him muted in all apps and protocols.

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> did they completely abandoned it or there is some hope?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ??? There was another proposal

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Can keep driving you guys insane with his bs. My screens and sanity are preserved.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> idk rotten say they didn't

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> You are judging Molly and Oscar for the first proposal which is stagnant and contingent upon completing the second because coming up with payments on signal, as Molly, needs an Android SDK.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Molly? Its regularly updated but no monero progress in > a year

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its a signal fork, and i dont even like/use signal anymore so 🤷‍♂️

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Ofrn's unnecessary heckling and twisting truths to manipulate newcomers is absolutely nonproductive. This is just one clear example of many.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (Signal blocked me for using tor via molly)

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> But alas, luigi's BFF had to overrule unban. 🤷‍♂️

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> bff?

Broski, ill share the posts where

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> The mere fact that the 2nd milestone of such 2nd proposal was completed and PR merged to monero, tells you he is working on them still.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> You will not see any progress in first proposal till 2nd is all done.

I wrote youe response that gkt you unbanned, and where you asked me to attack geonic for you (and i declined)

I dont have to twist any truths

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> SyntheticBird Best friend forever.

<j​effro256:monero.social> Can y'all plz get a room

I didnt say anything about molly

I posted 2 links to a WIP list

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> jeffro256:

jeffro, real_glitch asked for list, i shared list and now rotten is going crazy for some reason. Idk how i got dragged into this. I'm blaming plowsof

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> are there any kind of list/docs for monero or privacy related discontinued projects?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> the ones that could be beneficial to the ecosystem if it gets picked up again

Grampy's hotshop could use some improvements

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Anyways. Celebrate. WIP. monero-project/monero #9436

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> xcancel.com/monero/status/1825963024458375308

<j​effro256:monero.social> Kastelo, SolOptXMR, Kovri, etc come to mind

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> why Kovri over basic i2p

kovri is a unicorn

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i was going to ask that

<j​effro256:monero.social> Eh with that one I was more listing "discontinued" versus "useful"

Job creation

jeffro256 :)

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Creation? More like overtake...

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Soloptxmr is "complete" according to mh

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Job overtake.

And kastelo is 80% complete last i heard

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And kastelo = msvb still giving stuff away for it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero Hardware

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Are these projects on github

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> soloptxmr yes

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> kovri rip

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> kastelo js a hardware wallet Monero Hardware and hardware⊙go

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> They're part of the universe. 🌈

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> They're on our hearts. ❤️

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Why fund these project if they’re not maintained

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Is there value in the dead codes

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> they werent funded after they died

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Are there any community funded projects that were successful and still alive

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Besides monero

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> yes. Monero

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hahah

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Gupax

Gupaxx now

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> How long would gupax live without anyone supporting it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Unstoppableswaps

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Feather wallet

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Maybe that’s the bar that should be held to a ccs. When you stop working on it, how long can it fly off the cliff

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Put safety rails

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> gupax relies on p2pool and xmrig

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Tuck a new rule for the CCS!

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> KISS philosophy or gtfo!

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Would anyone be interested in a docker image that has a web gui and xmrig bundled together? A simple solo miner to place on your server.

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Are there any community funded projects that were successful and still alive <== my movie :)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> gupax

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Unless it already exists. Maybe have a button to turn in and off

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Gupax isn’t a server based miner

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> your movie wasnt funded by ccs

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> This would be like a self host service with a web gui

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And it failed to win an oscar

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Genomics movie will last forever. The dead code projects are worthless

wasn’t aware winning an oscar was a deliverable

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Vik

snowman agreed

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Via VHS

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> I discovered the bounties website and I think it is a much better mechanism for funding than ccs

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "<g​eonic> wasn’t aware winning an oscar was a deliverable" << the only deliverable was "submit to 100 festivals" and "win at one of them"

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> It’s very demand driven. The more demand, the more funding. It seems to be less susceptible to grifters

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Geonics movie isnt available with a permissive license... and doesnt feature monero

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The ccs was for marketing. And the marketing is done

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Arent ccs proposals meant to be open sauce ???

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Tssk tssk or questionable merges in the CCS repo tssk tssk tesla tssk tssk Locha net tssk tssk...

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Bounties and ccs are completely different ways of attacking a problem. A bounty might exist for something that will never happen

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> What is locha

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I could do tssk tssk till fluffy gets invited back to Core and Monero becomes legal tender in USA...

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> some mesh network that raised a lot of money from xmr, rhen went to go do the same to bch

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Project hoping

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> snowman A retarded CCS proposal that got merged for documenting how to use monero for a meshnet device. Just the documentation. No coding, no actual device working. We paid for that. Documentation. Because it was good for marketing!

<3​21bob321:monero.social> SHOW ME THE MONEY!!

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "mesh network" << some pictures of wifi extenders and some marketing

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> And the guy was big in BTC community! 🤣

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> 150 XMR and we didn't get a working device, nor support for XMR in it. 😂😂😂

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/randybrito-locha-mesh.html

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> We got docs!

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> how much did you pay back to monero from your movie sales?

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Can I create a ccs and take money for writing laser based Monero transmission documentation

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> You actually need to build the device yourself to read the docs

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> I like that the bounty site only pays out on completion. There’s a race for funding, but project ccs proposals look like they are grifted both in future maintenance, deliverables and no real need to complete before Monero goes parabolic

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> You get markdown, I get future xmr reward points

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> What about disallowing upfront payment entirely?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> (excluding Research CCS for financing audits)

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> it seems like it fine for any ongoing developer funding. It looks like it's just the random code projects that really need the scrutiny.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I think it's kinda dangerous for random code projects tho. I agree on the trust aspect, but i really went to predictable way:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> one project got upfront payment -> other wish to have upfront payment -> it happened one project failed -> blame CCS -> continue to wish for upfront payment

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> imho we should allow upfront payment for CCS if:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - The proposer have already completed two CCS

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - The upfront payment does not exceed 20% of the total cost

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - The upfront payment does not exceed the total amount of XMR earned through the CCS by the proposer

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> imho we should allow upfront payment for CCS if:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - The proposer have already completed two CCS

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - The upfront payment does not exceed 20% of the total cost

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - The upfront payment does not exceed the total amount of XMR earned through the CCS by the proposer

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> imho we should allow upfront payment for CCS if:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - The proposer have already completed two CCS

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - The upfront payment does not exceed 20% of the total cost

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - The upfront payment does not exceed the total amount of XMR earned through the CCS by the proposer

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> fuck sry for spam

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Fractal is so bugged

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Rip nioc

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Better then before

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> true

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but yeah i think these three rules make perfect sense for upfront payment

What is 20% of 1 million xmr

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof idk I can't read

me neither :( the ccs is designed in a way so that a large % of decisions have a certain number of people disagree with them

Every decision is wrong

The community make the rules in whatever moment of time the proposal is up for discussion , something about removing the red tape

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If community says no to a proposer, its no. I have no issues with up front payments depending on the situation and project.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> example: ccs that require paying for things

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You can't require someone to go to the bank to get a loan to purchase goods or pay developers, then promise to reimburse them.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr the problem is that the community as you call it have disagreed and still disagree as of today on proposals. I'm not against flexibility, but for me these are reasonable improvments

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Even geonics ccs, it needed money up front as the whole milestone 0 was to pay for submissions

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> mhm

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> mhm

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh no spam

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 2 prior proposals is also not realistic, unless the proposals are related

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I would be tempted to say that if they are new comer and need funds upfront then CCS is not the system they want

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> More important than # of proposals is whether the community trusts the proposer to deliver

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> postpaid doesnt stop ANYONE from doinng 2/3 milestones and running away and delivering nothing

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> this is to avoid the: *Make an excellent first CCS to gain trust* then *Steal the 30% and go away*

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> We actually had a period where we were (are?) Against POSTPAID (lol.)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> This is what milestones are

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> that's fair

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And proposers _all the time_ "complete" 2 milestones and then leave the project in shambles

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so what you say is if we don't trust we should abolish milestones all together?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> i dont think milestones solve much, which is why a lot of proposers do them by month

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> at my understand month milestones only applys on open work CCS. not final product *development*

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> haveno and unstoppable are both month 1 2 3 etc

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No real measure of what they have to accomplish in those timeframes

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yes there are what I call open work CCS

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> the product already exist

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it's just improvement/maintenance

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> im fine with these one

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> if they stop working on it, they stop being paid

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> some ccs have very clear milestones. Basically itemized billing

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Which leaves the projects unmaintained and unfinished

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Like haveno ui

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yes?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but if it happen it'll happen

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> important is we didn't throw monero out of the window

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> donor's monero

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> We dkd throw money out the window of the projects are never finished, kr worse, never possible to finish them

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> dkd? kr?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The _leftover_ monero can be put to good use, but the spent monero is gone

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Did* or*

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> s/of/if

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yes exactly. that's the whole thing

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> the whole reason we're fighting over what proposals to accept in meetings

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Retroactive proposals should be encouraged as long as they come with maintenance

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> retroactive?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Retroactive is basically m0

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Up front payment for work already completed

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> like you mean: *I did something now I ask to be paid*

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Kaya had 2 ccs, 300xmr and 900xmr

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> the 300xmr was retro. the work was completed and he was asking for payment in full. We didnt merge the ccs for like 6 months (because of ccs hack)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> be precise. when you mean retroactive ccs, you mean work that have been done during the CCS approval phase or CCS opened after a work have been done. The later have an obvious problem

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes. Like: _i made a service that turns pizza into monero. Pay me for it_ instead _im going to create a service that turns pizza into monero. First milestone is to make pizza and eat it. I promise ill finish milestone 3_

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Work that was done before the proposal was made

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I dont see why yall prefer "trustmebro" over having someone actually deliver a poc

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I disagree on this one. Why would we want to fund a project that someone started without funding. He did it already, unless you mean the CCS is to encourage on maintaining it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> lets say i want to create a new ui for haveno

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I think the whole no upfront payment purpose is that we don't have to "trustmebro" over someone. Milestones are a valid concern tho

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Would you prefer i never do it? Or would you prefer if i did it, and delivered it and asked to be psid for the work i did?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> its the same as a milestone, except the proposer is dispelling all doubt by delivering the milestone immediately

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Either we can hope and pray that molly is finished

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Or molly can add monero, then come and ask for funding

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> So basically I can do this super app I did, I keep it proprietary and then ask the monero community to pay for disclosing source code. That's kinda scammy ngl

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> no

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> it has to be open source in the idea stage

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> wait

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Hello I've an idea: I want to make an Haveno UI

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> *it got accepted*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> *finish the haveno UI*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> *no I want to get paid*

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> so yes, anyone can "steal it" as soon as it is proposed

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Again, I don't see why anyone would want to fund a project that started without notice unless it is for the dev to keep the good work.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Whats the difference between

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 1. Finish work and hide jt

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 2. Make proposal

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 3. Slowly release the finished work

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 4. Get paid

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Literally ^

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> why would you slowly release the finished work, if its already finish

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> and

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 1. Finish work and reveal it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 2. Make proposal

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 3. get paid

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 4. Continue to work on it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ok so later is what I said

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> they god paid for keeping the good work

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Because youd call me a scammer if i showed you the finished product before it was funded

Pay me to open source it vs pay me to complete it

If you dont incriminate yourself

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> but i can lie about The state of the project

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I can claim its not started yet, and be lying

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Example: janakas websjte

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Janaka could have NOT started, and we'd have merged and funded the proposal

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Because janaka already started, were treating the work done as out of scope

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I dont have any issue with someone who completes the project before proposing. Its politics anyway.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 6 in one hand, half a dozen in the other

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sometimes I think we dont manage to communicate. With what you're saying me right now, the way I get it, is: You want CCS to fund an already existing project, or fund the dev to keep the good work over an accomplished project

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> This sounds scammy tho. The whole spirit of CCS is:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - I have an idea

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - I need funding for working it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - When I accomplish the work it makes me receive the funds

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - The community profits from my work

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> But when someone accomplish it before the funding. It just prove you didn't need the funding in the first place. So why would we want to donate to someone that doesn't need funding to work on it.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sounds like what plowsof said: Pay me to open source it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it's just a marketplace basically, and the only buyer is the community on the behalf of the monero project

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i mean, im not against it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but its not what CCS strives for

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> lets invite all the ideas guys, and deter the get shit done guys

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> wdym. why would the original ccs purpose deter the *get shit done guys*

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> We’re assuming everyone is well informed of the CCS process and if not then though luck? :)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> if not then don't accept the proposal

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> maybe it's time to judge the proposer beyond the the proposal

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Like I kind of understood the bounty process for example, but didn’t know about the CCS process til later

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> That why I started work in my particular case

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah the bounty process is straightforward. Incencitive to accomplish work. Get the shit done, get paid

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Then half way through i realise that the terms are very specific and might not yield what i was expecting to I raise CCS to be specific.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Then half way through i realise that the terms are very specific and might not yield what i was expecting so I raise CCS to be specific.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I don’t think it was straightforward 🤷‍♂️

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> im sorry I don't understand *what I raise CCS to be specific* mean

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh nvm i got it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sorry i'm tired

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Me too lol I’m speaking shorthand

find out who the coordinator is and they should be able to help

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah thats fair. if the bounty don't suit then make a ccs

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It think it depends on the circumstances ultimately

(brb)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> The circumstances of who is requesting funds for they work and why

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ah yes

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> The circumstances of who is requesting funds for their work and why

mother monero just wants to be improved

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Can monerod run in an iOS swift app

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> I should also ask if it can be built to run on the iOS cpu

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> next step of my life: understanding apple toolchain for developers. (this seems like madness)

is it possible to view an incoming transfer before it has been confirmed by the network?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Yes

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> in most wallet you'll find it in the transaction tab and in Unconfirmed (if there is) or (sometimes) Locked balance

what is the function in the wallet rpc?

I suppose I can use get_transfers with pool=True ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sorry i'm not kownledgeable on the wallet RPC

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> getmonero.org/resources/developer-g…allet-rpc.html#get_transfer_by_txid

monero-wallet-rpc has a --tx-notify flag to run a script passing certain params to it

yeah, but you need the transaction id.

I want to scan a subaddress for transactions.

maybe --tx-notify passes it

plowsof: I remember that this was not recommended when I was writing script for Bitcoin, I don't know how good that would be with Monero.

get_transfers does not seem to show transactions made within the same wallet/account.

--tx-notify is one of the only things that works in the rpc (i joke)

triggers on mempool.. and on 1st conf (or this behaviour can be configured to e.g. only on mempool)

you dont have to poll get_transfers or something else

will it sends notification during a resync after being off for a while?

yes, when wallet rpc is started after inactivity - it will send the tx id of new trasactions it see's. so in your script you'd have to account for this. e.g. if we're only concerned with mempool tx's then we check its number of confirms.. or we check our database that we've added all seen tx's to

depends what you want to do really. maybe something exists for it. there is an apprise monero fork (maybe apprise is wrong, as i couldnt find the repo immedietely but it adds notifs for all kinds of platforms (with --tx-notify at its heart)

neglected for years, not sure if working github.com/apprises/apprise-transactions

oh, I'm good with working with the official programs.

so using --tx-notify would be better than calling get_transfers?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Tx-notify takes a script an arguement

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> It will do whatever you tell it to when it sees a new tx

calling get_transfers over and over while rpc is doing that work for you under the hood is redundant

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> As an* argument

does monero docs explain --tx-notify 😅 there are several options , available in the monero-wallet-rpc help menu iirc

any documentation for --tx-notify besides --help ?

or rtfsc.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> See the link that plowsof sent for an example

ive made a guide somewhere .. some python thing, a fun tutorial for beginners but im senile and dont know anymore

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> `Run a program for each new incoming transaction, '%s' will be replaced by the transaction hash`

btw, the developer guides page has a link to monerodocs.org which has expired and is now squatted.

alright so this is super simple.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> test.monerodevs.org/interacting/monero-wallet-rpc-reference

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Where do you see the link to monerodocs (so it can be fixed)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 😅 thanks

fix fix.:)

i forgot to say .bbl

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> test.monerodevs.org is a fork for now, soon to be docs.getmonero.org

guides on jupyter hub (?) i made a "cURL before you can walk" for monero-wallet-rpc but didnt mention --tx-notify :( github.com/hyahatiph-labs/hlc/tree/main/xmr-dev-guides

success with --tx-notify. :P

ccs.getmonero.org/ideas

plowsof: you mentioned that --tx-notify can be configured so as to only trigger on mempool?

yes, not sure of the values off the top of my head but its configurable

default is at 0 confs and again at 1

but what's the variable?

or did i dream that the variable exists but it doesnt? monero.stackexchange.com/questions/…g-triggered-2-times-per-transaction

yeah, does not seem to exist.

not a big deal though.

database look up if youve seen the txid before would be best

yeah, doing exactly that.

accept rpc is terrible and move forward*