<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Intel SGX has been cracked

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> SCRT network is fucked AGAIN

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> second time this has happened

<j​ohnfoss68:matrix.org> themoneromoon.com/p/the-monero-moon-issue-73

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> monero-project/monero #9458

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> would like to get feedback on that

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> if thats for devs and not the average user then the 'reference implementation' is commonly used amongst them (relevant meta issue for naming the monero gui monero-project/meta #384)

I would imagine SCRT will still keep being used, regardless.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> gotta bring *privacy*to web3

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> haha no

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> nobody uses it already

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> look at the chart, its below launch price lmao

If nobody uses it, then why does it matter whether it's broken or not?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it doesnt

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> its just another case study

fair

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> @matrix89323:matrix.org are you a spam

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I guess you are

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> don't lie to us

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> banhammer should fall upon the heretics

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org:

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> banhammer that account

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Confirmed spammer

Thanks

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> so he was banned yesterday via banhammer 15:00 ish utc (matrix89323)

left a comment on the haveno front end proposal, i propose that we move kewbits proposal directly to the work in progress list and fund it using the remaining haveno front end funds repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/295#note_25983

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Sounds good to me 🫡

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> kewbit can you make the old ui concept a reality

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> there is so much xmr left in that proposal, if you are good at this and want to, you should just do the whole thing

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> if we already have the funding and the person, we should aim for a brand new, most importantly: intuitive & simple to understand ui

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’ll do it

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Whatever we need

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> wait for real

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> But you’re saying you want to change to the old UI?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah there was a concept ui

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I can apply heavy inspiration from the old UI into a native app yes but not HTML

remember to mention "but it will meet all the functional requirements"

and scene

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I think plowsoff linked it to me, I have a look and it follows most of the functional features described already

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I think plowsoff linked it to me, I had a look and it follows most of the functional features described already

CUT

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> figma.com/design/ijVTy2RIF8j36LF5y2sRtt/Haveno-Product-Design

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> this was the originally proposed concept

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Ok this is very interesting and I like it

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> This is only in figma format at the moment?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i believe so

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> github.com/haveno-dex/haveno-design

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> github.com/haveno-dex/haveno-ui

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> its from here and i have no idea if any work thats already been done is re-usable

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> The great thing is I’ve got the functional layout, so we can just alter the design to fit whatever is needed, I just went for the unstoppable swap inspired kind of theme

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> This is quite a large project and would require full time, the app at the moment is designed for mobile primarily (in terms of look and feel), but we can evolve the layout to fit more of a desktop does like in that figma. So we can make it responsive to the OS

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> So if you’re using windows it will show you something similar to the figma but mobile has a different layout but all within the app codebase.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> We've got 453 XMR + the bounties, right plowsof?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah that would be needed

but free ross is back bounties.monero.social/posts/128/10…eract-with-ledger-nano-x-and-haveno

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Sounds like we’ve almost got a plan

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> did freeross put the 100XMR into the boutny?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> did freeross put the 100XMR into the bounty?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Not sure isn’t it anonymous?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah but he could still say / proof if he did it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Who cares if he did it

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> if he didn't, id just give the bounty to kewbit because freeross has some weird requirements set for it and the essence of the bounty is fulfilled without them

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If you put up a bounty, and ppl start working on the project, you cant turn around and ask for a refund

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> if he put in the 100, his "right" to insist on specific features/framework is a lot bigger than if he didnt

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> no it isnt

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you can if specifically requested things arent realized

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s a tricky situation, I think we should involve him perhaps.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> you sent $ to the bounty, your only right is to say "i sent $"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Not after sending $.... the bounty isnt "we have 25 donors that all say to do things differently"

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> we cant just change bounty requirements, not if freeross said "i want this included", sends 100 xmr and then we have something built that doesnt include it and say "thanks for the money"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> FreeRoss:

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> if freeross didnt send the 100 it doesnt matter

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> because the donator likely just wanted the essence of the bounty realized and doesnt insist on a specific framework

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> It doesnt matter _who_ sent the $

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> At all

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it does

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> The donator wanted a haveno client, but they over specified and it complicates things.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you cant just "scam" a bounty, nobody would ever use it again

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If i send 1xmr, does that mean i csn say "add monerochan"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No, it doesnt. It means i can say "i sent $ to this bounty"

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> if you made the bounty and included it from the beginning, yeah

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Can we did out who donated and ask their opinion? Or impossible?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> we can ask for freeross if he sent it

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Ask for the view key

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and if he did we can ask him if he would be fine with you getting it or if he wants a refund

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> if i am the proposer and the donor, akk that means is that im using the bounty platform for a commission that i cannot afford

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> sure

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> thats the definition of bounty

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> "do this get paid"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> donating doesnt give me special powers

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> "do this, get paid"

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and we dont have the right to say "ok you said you want this and donated 99% of the funds but we will do it differently"

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It would be ideal if we can explain to the donator he will still get what he wants in essence, whoever it was. I’m sure they are tracking the bounty page.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> we ask "is it ok if we do it differently?"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> My point is: it doesnt matter WHO donated the $. They dont get to choose the direction of the bounty

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Pretty much

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> If we can all agree on this that makes things easier

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> they literally do ofrn

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Youre conflating 2 unrelated responsibilities. Donors dont get to change the proposal

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> there would be no changing

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> we are the ones who want to change it

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> so we need to ask if its ok

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you cant just rugpull the bounty requirements

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And its plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: 's job (not really, but lets blane plow) to ensure the viability of s proposal before allowing it to go to funding

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and fund something "completely different"

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> silly plowsof

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> why did he allow "ledger support" on a haveno program, makes no sense

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> By community consensus or donator consent?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You cant just make unicorn requirements either

1. it was a personal endeavour and out of scope, never to be allowed on the bounties as written

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> IF freeross is behind the 100 xmr we need to ask if hes fine with our proposed changes or wants a refund

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> simple as that

so removing some requirements e.g. "elm framework" where another solution fulfils it just as good. elm was put there because freeross knows elm / will be using elm

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> if he didnt send them, just use the funds because the essence is still fulfilled

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> First we need proof

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> no we dont

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Simple as that

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> spendproof is easy enough to do

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> no ofrn

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If a donor wants their funds back, they should have said so before any work was done

but now with freeross returning / commenting, the bounty funds en entirety are not guaranteed to go to kewbit

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i know "they donated it for us to use" but you cant just change stuff like this

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> There is no harm in asking the donators opinion first, even if you guys have the final say

if he should complete the bounty before kewbit as written then theres no arguments

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Maybe mb is freeross /s

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ask all of the donors

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> nah i have never heard of elm

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yo whats going on

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Did freeross does start the project already?

freeross is not behind the 100xmr, he is a dev looking for funding

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cant just ask 1, as if the 1 is some sort of authority

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> bounties.monero.social/posts/128/10…eract-with-ledger-nano-x-and-haveno

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> There is significant conflict

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’m not sure how to proceed, first I will response to FreeRoss.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’m not sure how to proceed, first I will respond to FreeRoss.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so basically kewbit started the bounty and tweaked some things that are deemed justifiable but freeross didn't received notification and now he is mad about the changes?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ok in that case

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> give the funds to kewbit

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> What if i send 0.1xmr, can i get a refund too?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ofrn i AM POSITIVE you are not stupid enough to not get how that would be different

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> This is a fair statement, FreeRoss is responsible for tracking his bounty.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> anyways, kewbit, do a ccs with the 4XX XMR from haveno ui ccs + the 100 from the bounty

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> He only responded yesterday evening I believe.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Sure

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Let’s do it

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> then people can discuss on that for a week and once it gets merged it gets insta-funded

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah of course, the bounty is freeross' one. Why are you talking about haveno ui ccs ?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> then people can discuss on that for a week (work out details) and once it gets merged it gets insta-funded

<f​reeross:monero.social> HI FreeRoss here. I did not fund the bounty ...

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> look whos here

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ???

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> hello freeross

<f​reeross:monero.social> Hi there ...

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I think we are going in a very good direction with the current app, and we should stick with it and apply those Figma designs for desktop over time.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ofrn if i create a bounty, say it needs to have monerochan, fund it with $20k and then the community says "sure weve already made a version without monerochan" id be angry if those funds just get paid out to that person who didnt deliver what i asked for in the bounty

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Sorry I hadn’t got a chance to response to your message in the bounty yet.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Sorry I hadn’t got a chance to respond to your message in the bounty yet.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah it looks very good already

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You played yourself if you sent funds to your own bounty 🥴

<f​reeross:monero.social> I can hardly complain ...

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I understand what youre saying, but again, it shouldnt have been opened for funding in its current form

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> thats stupid. putting money in the bounty signals id like to have this and there is funding secured for whoever fulfills it, not that you can just take it for something else

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Drama enjoyer advice: @freeross:monero.social and @kewbit:matrix.org you should talk about that in direct message. I swear discussing this here will only be a pain and counter-productive. What's important is that we know if you managed to arranged yourself or not.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Question here is: freeross, are you ok with kewbit's approach

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I am happy to chat with FreeRoss in private but the projects are very divergent.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’m not sure how we’d come to agreement, how familiar are you with Flutter?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> And this, have you seen the CCS also? There is more info there.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/489

<f​reeross:monero.social> Yes, but if I am to play a role I feel I can only make a valuable contribution with a web UI/Elm/BDD/TDD approach, at least, for the aspects that I'm involved with. I've used React in the past and I don't intend going back ... sorry to appear dogmatic, but I'm fine to stay out of this particular bounty if that is too troublesome ...

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> If you can write native code in Dart, you can be a contributor.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> And get your share

<f​reeross:monero.social> @kewbit not at all familiar. It sounds like it has a lot going for it, but I'm focused on web ...

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Being this far into a native app I just can’t see a solution that will work other than that. Unless we completely dump the work already done which is a significant amount

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Haveno is not a web platform, going for a webui was a strange decision anyways

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I agree on @monerobull:matrix.org on the fact that a full client web application for communicating with haveno is really cumbersome, tho not impossible.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Imo kewbit stick with your app & do the desktop UI on top of that for the bounty xmr + old haveno CCS xmr

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Make a CCS to discuss the details and it gets instantly funded

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> We finally get our nice UI and kewbit a bunch of xmr

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I don’t have many complaints about a web UI but really you have more you can do with the system natively, I prefer the native some prefer web style because its familiar and you can easily write apps in HTML and CSS with many people are comfortable with, my opinion is that a native app is more sensible.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> just to be sure @kewbit:matrix.org did you started your application work because of the bounty? or did you started without knowledge of it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Because of bounty

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> With knowledge

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> My name is ofrnkewbit

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I saw it was a large payout so wanted to get involved and just got started quite quality

I doubt a shiny front end will have any major impact on haveno forks usage. A an app that works mobile too? More likely

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Admittedly with my vision of improvements to is, which were deemed as a fair. I then described those in the CCS to be more specific.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Admittedly with my vision of improvements to it, which were deemed as a fair. I then described those in the CCS to be more specific.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> For me it make sense that kewbit receive funds for it works. My real question is: Is there a chance someone pick up FreeRoss's bounty as is.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Because if there is plausible chance that some people want or want to work on a mobile based one I would say its FreeRoss' responsibility.

Freeross himself claims to be working on it as is

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> web-based*

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> freeross was working on something as-is

So i would ignore the bounty for now and focus on the ccs funds. Bounties funds do not belong to the ccs

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so he started his bounties -> Received 100XMR -> started working on it?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah I agree with plowsof

Syntheticbird please rtfm manual for what bounties site is

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> But it would likely be deprecated by the flutter app

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> This is my concern

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof i did

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Even if Ross worked on it as is

Received funds for starting a bounty?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You dont get paid for bounties b4 delivering

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Plow, a more intuitive UI would definitely help

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> The current one is pretty awful

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I can deliver tonight

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> A mostly working app 😂

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Bounty is paid when you deliver, dead or alive

Match the user base of original bisq first monerobull

Then we can talk

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> @kewbit:matrix.org I think it's not morally correct to take out their XMR because we believe it won't be achieved.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I would recommend focus on the CCS funds

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> But we don't need multiple different apps

<f​reeross:monero.social> It's not 'as-is'. The original project will be changed out of all recognition.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> I've seen nothing from freeross and a nearly complete, working app by kewbit so I'd obviously vote for giving the funds to kewbit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> That is your opinion (and mine too) but acting as an authority over the viability of bounties could lead to the same issue as CCS have now. Again that is just my opinion

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> The bounty had some silly requirements like the ledger one. I don't think whoever donated 100 xmr thought "yes, elm, let's go"

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> They most certainly went "haveno app, let's go"

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I had never heard of it, there should be rules when creating about where you describe the end product. Not the specifications.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I had never heard of it, there should be rules when creating a bounty where you describe the end product. Not the specifications.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Anyway, an interesting flaw has been revealed in the bounty system. I appreciate kewbit work and wish him to receive funds, as well as freeross when it complete it. For me it's worth investigating what could be improved in the donation process to avoid having to take these decisions. Wishing you good luck and nice day

<f​reeross:monero.social> SyntheticBird: Thank you. I will continue to work on it ...

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Because if you describe the end product only, there can be discussions on implementation and specifics after

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> That would seems like a more sensible process and the don’t have funds locked to a specification which might end up being deprecated

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I guess I will stop working on it then?

<f​reeross:monero.social> Could BDD (Gherkin) specifications as part of the process help?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> 💩

<f​reeross:monero.social> @kewbit also seems to me you've done some good work on this. If it helps at all I'm open to suggestions regarding a fair distribution of the funds based on end results. I do not know who's decisions these are to make either ... ultimately, the important thing is users get the apps they want/need ...

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I don’t know where I stand

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I will just continue making an app that follows all of the functional requirements and designs described earlier.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> FreeRoss, you can go ahead with the bounty, but I’m not sure how it will tie in to the ecosystem when the flutter app is completed.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It would be an unnecessary additional software

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> and to confirm: freeross, your work is not like-for-like what the bounty requests?

<f​reeross:monero.social> are you able clarify, please?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "It's not 'as-is'. The original project will be changed out of all recognition."

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> im referring to this

<f​reeross:monero.social> ofrnxmr: perhaps I misunderstood what was meant by 'as-is' initially ... I don't intend deviating from the bounty ...

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> as-is meant "deliver as the bounty requests"

<f​reeross:monero.social> yes, I misunderstood. Intention is to deliver as per bounty ...

<f​reeross:monero.social> It's late here. Is there anything I can help to clarify right now, beyond my recent post in the bounty? Otherwise I will have Element open most the time and I will be sure to check the bounty page manually from now on ...

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> no sir. Ty for answering

<f​reeross:monero.social> Thank you for the comments. I look forward to further discussions in future ...

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> you can keep working on the bounty

<f​reeross:monero.social> Ok, thank you ...

<q​uickex:matrix.org> Hey guys, my name is Mike, Quickex marketer. Just wanted to share the info that Quickex launched XMR giveaway.

<q​uickex:matrix.org> If nobody minds i can share the tweet link for giveaway

this isn't spam ^

im pleased to see this type of stuff from swappers

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> 10xmr to 10 winners ? Or 1xmr each

<w​oodser:monero.social> I'm open to the funds being repurposed, if @kewbit and others can deliver. it's a sizable UI so I don't want to underestimate the effort. mostly I just want a beautiful UI that works across platforms

<w​oodser:monero.social> I hope the figma design can inspire heavily: figma.com/file/ijVTy2RIF8j36LF5y2sRtt/Haveno-Product-Design. they made solid progress in the haveno-ui repo

<w​oodser:monero.social> we own the repos (someone has to), but the software is foss, and we have no intention of launching an official network in this climate

big thanks for your input woodser

<w​oodser:monero.social> the change to dart/flutter works for me, being a modern choice for cross device compatibility, though that rules out web access I think, unfortunately, but agreed an app could be best for useres

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> naming will affect both users and devs, for an example release blogs will be effected

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> x.com/rottenwheel1/status/1828491653436305657

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> xcancel.com/rottenwheel1/status/1828491653436305657

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> didnt know that you are one of the key people in this project

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> and its from one of the arabic countries

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> btw can someone tell me whats the difference between main cake wallet and the monero one?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero.com is monero-only

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He isnt

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> does it offer anything else?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> why they are separating the two? main one has the monero as well

0xfffc full-time C++ development (3 months, Sep, Oct, Nov, 2024) has moved to funding! ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/0xfffc-2024Q3.html

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> excellent question my fellow monero enjoyer

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> because some people couldn't stand the idea of having other ***shitcoins*** alongside their monero wallet in the same app

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so in a very cold climate, where some people were already shitting on cake for succeeding they decided to make a monero-only wallet, so that the community is happy

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> more seriously i don't remember exactly when it happened but I think it was when Cake Wallet were trying to integrate ZCash into the app

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> It wasnt about shitcoins, it was about having a monero focused wallet

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Owned the monero.com domain, so it only made sense

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> cake* owned

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh I forgot that episode

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I am not, just sharing a quote.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> $

j-berman full-time development (3 months) has moved to funding! ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/j-berman-3months-full-time-8.html

tobtoht full-time feather + core development (3 months) has moved to funding! ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/tobtoht-2024Q3.html

hinto-janai full-time work on Cuprate (3 months) has moved to funding! ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/hinto-3.html

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> whats the point of monero only wallet? is it faster? more secure? any type of benefit aside from "being a monero only wallet"?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i think its better from privacy point to blend in the OG wallet instead of using a "Monero Only wallet" which most of the poeple download from google play or app store

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> in case of monero being illegal or something

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> and waste of resource for cake team

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Their bitcoin implementation had faulty seeds

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 0 resources

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> It builds automatically alone with the cake apk

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Along*

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Congratulations, 0xfffc

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> xcancel.com/MoneroSpace/status/1828513952302608477

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its identical codebase, but monero.com doesnt ship the code from other coins

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Congratulations, jberman jberman

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> xcancel.com/MoneroSpace/status/1828514225251144126

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> example: stack wallet

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Congratulations, hinto @hinto:monero.social

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> xcancel.com/MoneroSpace/status/1828514445326184930

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Stack wallet is a multiwallet, but atm it has a bug were it connects to all of the electrum coin nodes

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> again what if monero becomes illegal?

rottenwheel spam

nice to see monerospace account active though

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> why is that

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Rottenwheel is an echo of n1oc

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero.com doesn't have to worry about such a bug

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> btw congratz for verifying your X account rotten

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> now you can scam more people

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> btw congratz for verifying your X account rotten

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> now you can scam more people on that platform

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i guess i switch to monero wallet

you are not getting a monero wallet that has a team dedicating its time to only monero when you use monero dot com

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Everytime i open stack it tells my isp the list of coins that im using 🥳

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> not a team but there should be a maintainer right?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> reported the bug tho, hopefully fixed soon

the monero dot com version is the same as in the cake version

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> the other reason, is plausible deniability

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cake wallet (for me) has ccs and generalfund view wallets

on the flip side, monerujo is a monero only wallet from top to bottom and, yeah

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> bring out the big guns boyo

im pushing to either ban monerujo related bounties or make it a requirement that merge is not required, as they are not maintained

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> this has been fixed way before the split

I have the following monero wallets on my phone......

<3​21bob321:monero.social> No merge otherwise we be dead by the time it is

I thought people were most pissed off as cake wallet received money from Zcash to integrate it into Cake.

zcash basically fired them in the end and they received no money

Oh i see

all the fuss for nothing in the end

Ah well, i am sure they'll survive

Both cake and ZCash

but you are correct, thats where it all stemmed from

Yeah, that's what i remember about it most anyway.

money buys you friends quickly in the crypto sphere

related reddit thread: reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/r54fea…add_zcash_support_along_with_monero

termination of their contract to add zcash forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/cake-tec…-wallet-design-development/40347/69

<s​trawberry:monero.social> So cake implemented it but never got paid?

<q​uickex:matrix.org> Good night all Monerians! Didnt introduce ourselves.

<q​uickex:matrix.org> Quickex - XMR swapper, already gives one of the best rates on Trocador and OrangeFren. For those wondering about aml/kyc, we have a free service to check your transparent addresses before the swap begins.

<q​uickex:matrix.org> Last 2 months we've been involving in Monero community in tg but since i discovered you guys here, we slide here.

<q​uickex:matrix.org> XMR our most popular coin so as a greeting we decided to send 1 $XMR for 10 luckers. Thank you for your participation and support!

<s​trawberry:monero.social> Can you publish your usage stats? Like a pie chart of volume or number of swaps by coin

<s​trawberry:monero.social> A few services do this and it seems like more people have been using monero recently, but some are marketed towards monero users so it's hard to tell for sure

<q​uickex:matrix.org> we do publish daily stats in our tg, now also developing bot for posting weekly stats with most popular directions

<q​uickex:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/nkdELjtAGVkxPhibkrtaBAsV