first time I’m seeing the telescam link

is it even on the website?

It is one of 7 links listed in community > hangouts

Along with fb lololol

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Myspace?

ugh

2 are github and the repo

Dan Bob, sorry MySpace is not listed but there is discord

IRC and matrix are not listed

No worries, people are aware

Dan Bob will fix this

GN

gn

<a​deniyiemmanuel583:matrix.org> t.me/+fk5a2eNOe9BhY2I8

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<m​onerobull:matrix.org> >kicks open funny swingging western door

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> NOT ON MY WATCH, BUDDY

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> *BANG*

<c​t:xmr.mx> same zoom scam as in other rooms

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yes. give banhammer.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> fake zoom link redirecting to a stealer malware according to lilith

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thanks for confirming all

does any of this design mockup apply/hekp your project kewbit? github.com/haveno-dex/haveno-design

s/hekp/help

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yeas actually

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I spend a lot of time tuning fine pixels and sometimes I need inspiration and this is a good example

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I saw this while stalking havenos twitter a while ago

does your project meet the functional requirements for a haveno ui github.com/haveno-dex/haveno-design…b/master/functional_requirements.md

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Probably not

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Coincidentally yes it does happen to follow almost all of them

when you have time, have a look. the haveno front end proposal, as in the text there, does not specify or mention milestones , so the design/functional requirements is all i have at the moment

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Oh look it also says atomic swaps functionality

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yet I still get complained at 😂

listed under None MVP / future work :)

but listed as in scope by the haveno core time none the less!

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yesterday is the new future

who doesnt exist anymore* but uhm, so if your project meets (can meet) all of the functional requirements of a haveno UI ???

woodser thoughts on re purposing haveno front end funds for kewbits proposal?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I just scrolled throw the PDF it has pretty much all of that flow apart from it doesn’t go into specifics about multisig it just says something user friendly like ‘We are reserving your funds…’ Or We are reserving your peers funds

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I just scrolled through the PDF it has pretty much all of that flow apart from it doesn’t go into specifics about multisig it just says something user friendly like ‘We are reserving your funds…’ Or We are reserving your peers funds

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Though it’s all minor semantics, we can finalise small details with a bunch of polls near the end or something

so im again asking myself, if your project meets all functional requirements, and works on every OS including Android, does it not deprecate the "Haveno-ui" repository github.com/haveno-dex/haveno-ui cc woodser

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I need someone to test how well this Android background service runs on a physical Android phone, works fine on mine, but it needs to work on all Android phones otherwise I need to remodel the way I’m staying connected to the daemon

ideally we would have the haveno ui devs arguing against this to be fair but they've been gone for a while so this is a one sided argument lol

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Hmmm, dunno if it deprecates anything depends what people prefer, or maybe what gets finished first. I will dig into that looks interesting

the dev team wanted fiat and the price of monero dropped. some members of the community attribute this to mishandling of funds. so work started and then was abandoned

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> the haveno ui devs were a company that was hired

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Who knows if the devs even still work for said company

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> That was hired by erciccione*. the devs never worked for ccs

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I think the idea behind compiling a web framework app like this is convenient and familiar, but I’m not sure I agree it’s appropriate for a complex project like this. Thought I won’t comment on it too much if there is no one here to argue the other case.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Cunt

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Erc messed up the ui ccs and then blamed everyone but him and left monero

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’m going to build it and see how much is completed

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> he didnt leave

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He still insults selsta and woodser on twitter and reeddit

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> That was referring to erc

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> What an asshole

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> How could anyone insult Woodser

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Literally the day I put up a public Monero node, my server starts getting smacked offline constantly

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> They were biz partners

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> What happened

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Erc sold his half of haveno

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (haveno was always intended to be a for-profit venture. Erc rugged when he realized it might have legal implications)

Insulting selsta ? How is that possible?

nioc how is your cat doing

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It’s running as a company? How lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> He kept trying to shame selsta over some blog post

<a​remor:matrix.org> Sold? To who? For how much?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> x.com/calciferciccio/status/1766354459037138945

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> To cake for a lot of dollars

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Also tries to take shots at diego any chance he gets

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Told us not to use / trust stack wallet when it was released

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’m puzzled how one can sell an open source project in an equity sense

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Haveno backend is open source

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Haveno was never supposed to have a "reto"

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I see

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Woodsers repo was supposed to launch the network _and_ collect fees _and_ promised kickbacks to monero for funding the frontend

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> part of fees were supposed to be split between woodser and erciccione

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> But that would have been impossible to protect the intellectual property of frontend alone, you can keep a backend secret if it’s not decentralised

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Erc sold his core team share to cake

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Arbitration fees?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> trade fees

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Hmmm interesting

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> They were to be paid to a centrakized wallet controlled by council and divvied out to arbitrators and operators

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> After localmonero scare, they (cake and woodser) decided to bail on launching a network or collecting fees

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> They changes the fee structure to allow network runners to have arbitrators paid directly _or_ to use a central waller

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I can build a centralised backend in 2-3 weeks 😂

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Are there plans to monitize it still?, I just feel a bit weird now that I know a couple of people own haveno

<a​remor:matrix.org> Like you said, what does that even mean? Read the license. I assume it’s an open license. So what is there to own? Only a name?

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Probably the market power of having the "official" network. People could have created alternative networks, but how many users would be on those?

whats wrong with giving visibility to a crypto company that we hire sometimes

crypto company is the wrong word but i hope you understand what i mean

<r​ucknium:monero.social> I don't know if any money actually changed hands between Erc and Cake. AFAIK Cake took responsibility for Haveno.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Or Vik. Let me check the blog post

vik clarified that the only responsibility is over the DNS

<r​ucknium:monero.social> haveno.exchange/blog/erciccione-leaves-core-team

in the haveno ~ room

<r​ucknium:monero.social> "I will be replaced by Vik of Cake Wallet, who will also take over my responsibilities in the project right after this post will be published, including managing the social media accounts and Haveno infrastructure."

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I was going to say this is on topic if we’re using Monero community funds to support haveno :P

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> If it’s what people want then great

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I guess it benefits everyone….. if it actually gets finished 😂

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> oh, lol, I missed this

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Money exchanged hands

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> It was a buyout

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Erc tried to sell his stake for months and at hefty prices

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> How much is hefty

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Too much, considering "haveno" doesnt run a network and has no way to recoup the funds

our legal team wants to clarify that these are unsubstantiated claims, and we have not devolved into throwing vile / hurtful insults at over-half-a-decade long contributors!

who is a cunt and an asshole?

I missed that bit. Must have been super important

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Me

Don't think it was you

I think it was someone else that was a cunt and an asshole

Or is a cunt and an asshole

Hard to tell

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> maybe I want to be? :(

that's probably best for -offtopic

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Plowsof, they arent instantiated

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Unsubstantiated*

selsta: Cat is doing well thx :)

Hope that you are also doing well

also doing well :)

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> :

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> :)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah nobody would have used a random network if there is an official one

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i also think at this point there wont be any other networks as long as reto doesnt mess up

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Local haveno when

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Offline monero network when?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> There is, we use tin cans and string between nodes

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm like 100% there is world where with the right modifications you could build a tcp/ip stack over some strings and make monerod communicate through it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> time to open a ccs to prove im right

<s​hadow06:matrix.org> Build a tokenring network.. It's like re-introducing manual transmissions in cars.

feels like matrix spam is picking up recently

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> At least were not bridged to telegram 🫠

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (telegram is so bad during uptrends)