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m-relay<clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Just tell us your original problem instead of beating around the bush
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m-relay<ofrnxmr:monero.social> I think the biggest issue with the report is that it is long and trails off into things unrelated to the milestone
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m-relay<woodser:monero.social> why can’t the rules be clear and stand on their own?
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m-relay<ofrnxmr:monero.social> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/489#note_26721 py_verse:
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m-relay<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Because they were written in 1992
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m-relay<woodser:monero.social> are developers allowed to develop locally until they publish and request payment for milestones? should have a clear answer
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m-relay<clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Well i agree but did you just wake up and Choose to check if CCS rules are flawed or not?
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m-relay<clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Or you were trying to do something but you were afraid that rules might restrict you
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m-relay<clarck__amberson:matrix.org> > <@woodser:monero.social> why can’t the rules be clear and stand on their own?
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m-relay<clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Well i agree but did you just wake up and Choose to check if CCS rules are flawed or not?
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m-relay<clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Or you were trying to do something but you were afraid that ccs rules might restrict you
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m-relay<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Yes
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kemosabeofrnxmr it depends how?
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m-relay<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Any milestone being claimed should have source fully available
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m-relay<ofrnxmr:monero.social> If the milestone is code
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m-relay<ofrnxmr:monero.social> If the milestone is not code, like "i need $ to submit to app store", we dont expect the dev to release their apple app store keys
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m-relay<ofrnxmr:monero.social> The main thing is that the code for the milestone is not in violation of the code.
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m-relay<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Rule 4 "mule be permissively licensed" does not dictate what license must be used
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m-relay<ofrnxmr:monero.social> This is Agplv3 iirc, so its required that modifications are made pu lic
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m-relay<ofrnxmr:monero.social> public*
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kemosabeofrnxmr gotcha
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kemosabemakes sense
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m-relay<ofrnxmr:monero.social> if you dont release the software publicly, you (shouldnt afaict) have to release source code. But releasing publicly must include source
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m-relay<ofrnxmr:monero.social> I think the drama here is less about the current milestone, and more about the breach of the license a couple weeks back
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kemosabeofrnxmr i don't know which milestone / project you're referring to. nor breach.
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m-relay<ofrnxmr:monero.social> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/489#note_26721
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m-relay<ofrnxmr:monero.social> This project. And a couple weeks ago, beta binaries were pushed out and advertised to the public, but didn't have accompanying source code
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m-relay<pointoffailure:monero.social> WTF I just had to read? How do you suppose to publish the code before you've developed it, you, stupid retard?!
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m-relay<pointoffailure:monero.social> The rule says that you cannot restrictively __license__ the code during the development and don't even try to do it locally with your dirty little hands, or they will FUCKING KILL YOU!!!! ☠️
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m-relay<ofrnxmr:monero.social> The binaries were pulled, instead of releasing the source.
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m-relay<ofrnxmr:monero.social> had the binaries never been released, i dont think we'd have this drama right now. But the release was a breach of the license (and our rule). Pulling the binaries means were jb compliance with the rule, but not with agplv3
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kemosabeofrnxmr: eventually both code and bins were released? because i checked a few days ago and found everything i was looking for
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m-relay<ofrnxmr:monero.social> No, the code wasnt afaik
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kemosabewhich component?
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kemosabeyeah i suspected it was this project
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m-relay<ofrnxmr:monero.social> The app itself
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kemosabegotcha
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m-relay<ofrnxmr:monero.social> You can share bins privately within your org w/o source, but cannot release publicly. Again, i think were causing drama over a mistake, but its hard to "unsee" things that were seen
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m-relay<ofrnxmr:monero.social> its my OPINION that if there is a holdup, that is why
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m-relay<ofrnxmr:monero.social> To directly answer woodser- yes tou can dev in private. You only need to release code when you release products or request milestones
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m-relay<woodser:monero.social> the binaries were pulled instead of publishing the code. my understanding is the milestone payout is now being withheld due to breach of rules, which were rectified, so I wanted to clarify the rules
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m-relay<woodser:monero.social> (the code for the milestone has been published under a permissive license)
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m-relay<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Pulling the binaries doesnt put you back in compliance with agplv3 afaict
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m-relay<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Its not the milestone that is blocking, its the ccs itself (the binary release violating the license)
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m-relay<ofrnxmr:monero.social> afaict, the milestone is properly sourced and eligible for release. Only thing in the way is the lack of source for the binary the was released. Maybe i'm wrong, but thats what this looks like to me
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m-relay<ofrnxmr:monero.social> "made a mistake. Wont happen again" would usually suffice, but maybe precedent is being set ? I _assume_ that releasing source for the / a binary would rectify any concerns. 🤷♂️
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kemosabegood framing. looks like we need to look into the wording of agplv3
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kemosabealso curious that the guy doesn't just release the source at this point
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m-relay<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Its not like we have any idea what that bin was built out of, so we cant prove any source release matches the bin.. probably just drawing a hard line about importance of licenses when it comes to spending money that was essentially earmarked and not raised
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kemosabeand claim 2 milestones instead of 1
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nioCatplow sof is sleeping :)
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kemosabei think the quickest solution to this is kewbit release the app source.
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kemosabei don't think anyone here has ever seen ccs not pay a person that has met all expectations, so since there is clearly source available, it should be released, without fear of not being compensated for it
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kemosabereading the agplv3, it very clearly is meant to dictate that source always be released. ccs mandates that the license be followed. therefore the source has to be released.
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kemosabethe released dart library source is applying agplv3, if not monerod woodser
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m-relay<woodser:monero.social> it was a mistake to publish the preview binaries and they were pulled down. now payments for different milestones are being withheld. am I understanding that his CCS proposal is effectively terminated because of this mistake, unless the source code to those unpublished binaries is released?
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m-relay<321bob321:monero.social> Maybe wait for plowsof and luigi
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sneurlaxI thought the source *was* available, but will have to recheck more closely if the source that's available matches the bins I haven't deleted :P there's pub.dev/haveno published as well
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sneurlaxerr sorry, that's pub.dev/packages/haveno
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sneurlaxand promising work in pub.dev/packages/i2p as well
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> feel free to check out the source too github.com/KewbitXMR/flutter_haveno
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> see if you can spot I problem I guess?
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m-relay<siren:kernal.eu> Good luck reversing a flutter app to see if it matches source/doesn't contain malware :^)
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m-relay<siren:kernal.eu> It's a pain in the ass :))) how convenient
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> I cant, it's not longer available, I wasn't sure why the first milestone wasn't paid it was instead refused despite being completed and open sourced and also licences with like the most copyleft licence there is .. AGPLv3 there is literally nothing more I could have done for the milestone
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> it is sad for sure, but of course most of this is a ploy now because obviously I was going to not be happy about it all these random ppl popping out of the shadows suddengly to hate
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m-relay<siren:kernal.eu> What are you talking about? Since this is your CCS, it wasn't you who released proprietary binaries?
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> Sure, did I specifically ask you to download them though?
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> Should I just magic CI / CD pipeines out of thin air instantly ready for you all for free?
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> sorry I didn't do more than build an entire app for haveno, ill keep your comment in mind for next time
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m-relay<siren:kernal.eu> ??? You're either malicious or a contractor from hell
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> ahh wait, obviouly, its not going to happen again
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> Must be!
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> There are no logical explainations for any of it of course
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> its just a contractor from hell :)
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> Who's alt is this :P
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m-relay<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Let me get this right. For one moment you said it is open source and AGPLv3 licensed. Someone else says it was proprietary binaries. All the while my understanding is that there were some binaries somewhere, that got pulled. So... when did the source code become available, before or after binaries were public?
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m-relay<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> The proprietary binaries line throws me off the woods, what is it? 😂
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> The honest truth is I had never licensed a piece of software ever but I'm now very conscious of licensing
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m-relay<siren:kernal.eu> It was explained to you above. You broke the policy of your own license (your dependencies' licenses too) and the CCS policy. Sheer stupidity if you don't understand what is wrong.
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> yes I am aware, I accepted it already no need to reiterate, ultimate everyones going to be mad the ploy didnt work on me
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> im just glad I reserved the builds now
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> was a smart move in the end
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> when true colors came out
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m-relay<siren:kernal.eu> Of yourself I assume
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m-relay<siren:kernal.eu> (hopefully not)
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> thats what I've taken solace in basically
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m-relay<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> I'm still waiting for an answer! 😂
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> lol I've worked 4 months of honet work on this
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> its just funny all of this, starts pretty much immediately after I tell diego I jusrt dont trust him, which I dont he gave me then an ultimatum which I refused, i'm not sure why but there it is.
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m-relay<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Okay, but don't mix me with the other retards, I'm legitimately asking a question in there, no hidden agenda or prosecution lol.
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> all the parrots come out
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m-relay<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Question is simple... Since when is the AGPLv3 source code you mention available? Before or after binaries?
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> well you'v obiiously been told some nonsence because you've joined in with it
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m-relay<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> No, retard.
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m-relay<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> I'm not going to ask the question a third time. 🤷♂️
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> well it depends retard, for apks there is a workflow in github
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m-relay<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> That's for building, you autistic cunt loo.
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> so they built every time, and it was probably a mix and match on the others
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> haha
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m-relay<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> That's for building, you autistic cunt lol.
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> ok now im enjoying this
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> what a major U turn you guys have pulled off
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m-relay<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> And he still has not answered the question!
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m-relay<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> What ultimatum? Holy shit 😂.
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> woodser pretty much being the only one not influenced by any of this shit clearly
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> mm?
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m-relay<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> I'm assuming your proactive avoidance of the question means the code only became available after you pulled the binaries?
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> yeah its hilarious
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> you've got your pretty corrupt team pretty much it seems
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> serhack if you're around shoot me a message
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> you only made a big deal of these binaries at the end
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> smart choice but not smart enough clearly
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m-relay<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> ??? Siren what is he on about?
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m-relay<siren:kernal.eu> I have no idea
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m-relay<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Lol, I'm done trying to have a conversation with him.
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> :D
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> You are incorrect. The CCS proposal will be terminated because we've been made aware of additional code that is being withheld from public view and correct licensing until payout as leverage for the payouts to be made. This is not acceptable and rule 4 of the CCS states all code must be FOSS'd at all times at all stages.
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> not really , your reqest for the source was terminates because I saw through your utter shit
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> not really , your reqest for the source was terminated because I saw through your utter shit
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> This has been explained to you thoroughly. There is no corruption here. It's laughable that asking people who are using our system to follow the system's rules is being called 'corruption'
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> it sure feels like it after spending 4 months building an app
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> yeah
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> what else can explain this behaviour other than a ploy
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m-relay<siren:kernal.eu> This can ccs.getmonero.org/what-is-ccs
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> the feed back for ages was generally positive
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m-relay<siren:kernal.eu> If you mean our behavior
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> the "ultimatum" in question is that he follows the rules and FOSS everything immediately or the proposal can't continue. Thems the rules.
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> you then switched the agenda very quick
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m-relay<321bob321:monero.social> Foss it or toss it
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> Toss it for sure
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> There is no way on earth I am giving it out
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m-relay<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> > I dont really have it in me to finish this for now. Dealing with some personal issues.
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m-relay<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> >
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m-relay<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> > This project has also attracted attention of some nasty people I would rather not have messaging me, apologies for the obscurity. Closed until firther notice
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m-relay<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> >
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m-relay<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> > Kewbit
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> The binaries thing is a secondary issue, and honestly not worth talking about much imo. The larger issue is that there is unreleased, non-public code that is being used as leverage.
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> the idea has completely gone with the wind
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> like completely
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m-relay<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> github.com/KewbitXMR/haveno-app
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> fireice pulled this back in the day to a lesser degree (at least that code was "source available" which led to the rule in the first place, if you all recall
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> fireice pulled this back in the day to a lesser degree (at least that code was "source available") which led to the rule in the first place, if you all recall
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> yeah fork it , it's like 1% of the project lol
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> I wasn't aware of this issue until today when it was discussed with me, at which point I contacted you to clear the situation up. The situation was made clear, and the options presented. You chose to not FOSS, so the proposal will not move forward.
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m-relay<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> I'm pointing out to what the readme says, that's it.
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> Case in point
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> yeah made clear quite a while ago
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> when we chatted!
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> Indeed. Everything is clear to me, don't worry. Just defending our side against the whining and accusations.
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> You're free to whine here (to a point), and I'm free to present my side of the story just as much.
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> I will share the news actually on about this
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> I've decided it's that big enough of a scam
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> I have a question, did you or did you not read the rules before you made the proposal?
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m-relay<siren:kernal.eu> Though I think cancelling the CCS right away might not be the right choice here. I suggest inspecting what was delivered (if the mistake was corrected already and the source is available) and if it's good just let this be a warning for this time.
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m-relay<siren:kernal.eu> Because an exception was made for a movie proposal before. Again on the licence rule.
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> I appreciate having seen everyone for who they are today, I have after all entered a world of criminals, should not have been so niave! or such an austic cunt I think as rotten said
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> I spoke with both luigi and plowsof, after my discussion with kewbit and presented them options. It's been decided that we are sticking to the rules of the CCS and not bending them. Those rules have been around for years, and they are very clear.
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> I can make rule 4 in all caps for future proposers :)
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> Oh fuck the licence rule, I wish I had been malicious now, would have got a bargain for my buck, but sadly you got it wrong this time and fucked it up for yourrself
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> You still haven't answered the question. Did you or did you not read the rules before you made the proposal?
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> You have nobody to be mad at except yourself for either not reading or not abiding by the clearly stated rules in the CCS.
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> Yes I did, I had broke one of the rules, so it is indeed my fault, I'm not fussed about the money, I'm just glad you didnt manage to concience. me to hand over the surce with all that shit you tried on me
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> Yes I did, I had broke one of the rules, so it is indeed my fault, I'm not fussed about the money, I'm just glad you didnt manage to convince me to hand over the source with all that shit you tried on me
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> Feel free to upload the entire chat into a pastebin and share here. I have nothing to hide and stand by everything I said in our discussion.
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> You do actually
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> You pretty much started the conversatiion with a polite threat, right off the bat
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> The way you approached me seemed reasonable at first
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> I'm sure you were being cautious for that purpose
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> You did do a relatively 'good job' of making yourself look goood until the end tho
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> Do you mind if I share the entire conversation then?
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> if that's your way of shoftening your own blow sure
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> Do as you please buddy
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m-relay<woodser:monero.social> Diego Salazar: milestone are paid on an individual basis, before other milestones are completed, no?
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> and thanks again for ruining a community project
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> because you cannot be trusted, you're a lair.
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> And lugi1111
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> I mean what I said, I entered the conversation with the intention to learn and with an incomplete story given by several people. Over the course of our conversation I learned what was going on, and I adjusted my stances.
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> There the fuck that 2000xmr bro
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> Of was it lost buddy
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> No woodser. Rule 4 says: All work must be licensed permissively at all stages of the proposal. There is no time where your work can be licensed under a restrictive license (even as you're working on it). Your proposal will be terminated if this is not remedied.
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> sorry to here that the community lost about 200k foucking grande to your shit
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> how did fluffy and binarybyte not see through this shit
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> are they in this shit or IRC
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> imma get at least one of them
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> get some fucking rational conversation going for a at least a little while
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> luigi1111: you're being summoned. luigi1111 too
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> binaryFate: binaryfate
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> No I am not summoning luigi111 ih'es fucking in on it
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> sadly
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m-relay<woodser:monero.social> Diego Salazar: my question is not in regards to licensing, but in regards to milestones being completed sequentially. they’re paid out before subsequent milestones are released, no?
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> fluffypony isn't part of the core team anymore
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> so you've basically corrupt the entire community ecosystem and fucked the whole coin then
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> silently stealing money over the years
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> literally from people in these chats
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> mugs
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> especially luigi1111
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> This would be the case, until it was learned that there is more code for other milestones that has not been FOSS'd SPECIFICALLY to use as a hedge for receiving payouts. This is not acceptable, and not a game we're interested in paying.
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> crpyto attack on the general fund
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> my ass!
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> me personally? goodness I'm good then.
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> the community need to figure out SOME kind of way of ousting luigi1111 and Diego out like seriously
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> and fast
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> I'm hopeful they dont have the getmonero.org domain in their possession
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m-relay<siren:kernal.eu> Diego Salazar: kewbit: I suggest cooling off for now because the discussion isn't constructive and let the community vote the next meeting.
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m-relay<woodser:monero.social> I don’t see how that’s relevant to completing milestones with a permissive license. developers are free to publish subsequent milestones when they are ready, no?
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> not at all, I will literally keep at it until you're seen for your true fucking colours dude
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> I am completely cool and in control of myself, but I am happy to disengage.
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m-relay<woodser:monero.social> kewbit may I have a moment please?
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> Machiavellian and cheating, whereeverr you feel like you've got a shot at it you take it
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> yeah sorry
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> nice to get that on off my chest, thank you.
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> nice to get that one off my chest, thank you.
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m-relay<321bob321:monero.social> dankon siren finger on the pulse
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> and I do appreciate the support woodser but there is no sense here, the room is a bit of a facade
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> Monerobull I havent actually heard much from you, are you around at the moment
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> I would like to hear his take on this, please
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> look whoever is responsible for the getmonero.org domain we need to make sure they are not corrput next
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> this is my word of advice idk who that is
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> Honestly, for the sake of at least those who were stolen from I will seek remedy
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> not fucking clue how yet
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» sneurlax wakes up
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m-relay<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> He seems good at dodging questions, haha.
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> yeah ive basically just gone on a rampage after diego set a precedence that this whole time I was a scammer
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sneurlaxkewbit shared a private github to me personally prior to release so it was technically available ... you have to ask. available is compliant, you can for example charge $20 to mail them a cd/usb of the source. or so i've been told
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sneurlaxi didn't do a full review but it looked right... fwiw...
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> anyone with 2 brain cells could figure out I'm just trying to make some software and contribute something, get paid back from some donors.
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> It was perfect really
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sneurlaxi'm not saying the bins are/were safe but there's lots of code already done was my point.
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> i dont know what the fuck he ruined it all for, everyone literally would have won
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> its was a win win win setup
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> im past all that trying to prove myself bro
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> honestly
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m-relay<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Don't listen to what sneurlax is saying! He's just a sleepy big pokemon who hasn't even washed his face yet!
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> I'm just now trying to get the idiots that havent yet realised, that luigi and dieigo are just scamming
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m-relay<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> 😂😂😂
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> well so am I
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> actually I was inspirated by mew
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> I am a custom pokemon
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m-relay<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> kewbit you're not getting too far if you keep doing what you're doing... I'm just letting you know, my good friend.
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> wtf
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> you've just switched back to normal again
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m-relay<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Does this message say kewbit or sneurlax?
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> you spastic
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> I was literally dispatched by luigi and plowsof to get an understanding of the situation, and I did so. I reported back and they gave me an answer.
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m-relay<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Take a break, you sound unhinged and whiny...
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> I am literally paid to be the messenger boy that people get mad at. :P
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> i am pissed bro
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sneurlax@rottenwheel:kernal.eu: yes
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> but selttling
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> imagine working yo ASS off for 4 months
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m-relay<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> 😴
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> and ultimately just get nothing be a pile of shit when the first milestone is done, ready to go and literally, ap would have been delivered TODAY
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> if I had just been paid for my milestone
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> It wouldnt have been perfect but the builds would have matched
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> nhh man thats just rude
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m-relay<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> Let's create a bot that spits rule 4 every hour for the next 24-48 hrs. until whiny Karen gets it...
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> no getting it is not what I need
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> I got it back in the convo with Deigo
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> as discussed privately, literally all that needs to be done is FOSSing of the current work, including WIP work, and the proposal can proceed. There is zero question in anyone's mind (and I suspect your own as well) that you will be paid for work done
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> but you are choosing to cling to an error out of some misguided 'principle of the thing'
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> i guess plowsoff hasnt had enough leverage to give an opinion yet, you still got this one on a leash?
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> recall I went to the maintainers of the CCS (plowsof and luigi) for an answer on how to proceed forward, I did not come up with it myself.
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> the only fucking seemingly genuine person here
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> besides woodser
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m-relay<diego:cypherstack.com> I am leashed to them, not the other way around
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> yeah bro
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sneurlaxsheesh still getting caught up. i see "source available" was explicitly covered lol, damn...
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> sure
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> not avail
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m-relay<kewbit:matrix.org> unavail
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