<e​veroddandeven:monero.social> github.com/everoddandeven/monerod-gui/releases/tag/v1.0.0

<e​veroddandeven:monero.social> RPM package now available

<e​veroddandeven:monero.social> Donations are appreciated, including to the bounty for this project 🙏

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Post bounty link

<e​veroddandeven:monero.social> bounties.monero.social/posts/8/8-50…nero-node-on-boot-in-the-background

<s​implifiedprivacy:hackliberty.org> anyone got any news on the big XMR move down?

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Looks like bots on the BTSE exchange. I am not sure why XMR is correlated with the crypto market when it goes down, but not when it goes up.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/DWsXLESoVNAXZHqVKTAXrcWK

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Do we have a room for you around here, huh... googlemozilla check your invites.

<a​dminstage:matrix.org> the down is quickly

<a​dminstage:matrix.org> not noly xmr

<a​dminstage:matrix.org> and other coin also this

<a​dminstage:matrix.org> l still have 600 xmr, but l don't sell,l think the price will back $170 above

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> dont say how many coins you have

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but yeah, xmr will probably recover

<a​dminstage:matrix.org> yes,thanks your remind

<a​dminstage:matrix.org> you know,because not like zcash and dash,can see on chain,so not receive some exchanges,maybe exchange need everyone to see on chain in future,

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> the privacy narrative is very muted currently,but it will return later in the cycle. We should focus on making the technology more frictionless by then

<a​dminstage:matrix.org> l hope so

sethforprivacy: Did you try to PM me on Matrix?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> crypto.news, newest article on our coingecko

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/oeMEKZNoeKOSecmYNCCoZUIn

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> crypto.news/5-best-monero-wallets-to-explore-in-2025

is this revenge for not letting them sponsor monerokon or something

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<0​xfffc:monero.social> [@plowsof:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@plowsof:matrix.org)and other mods.

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> Adoption is more interesting than price at the moment. XMR is back up to processing 35000 transactions per day at the weekly peak, a 50% increase from the start of the month.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Adoption and price are correlated

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Adoption, liquidity and value-per-unit*

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You cant have onboard 100m with 0.1xmr each, at 18m market cap, and expect xmr to be useful beyond buying a candy bar

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 100m people*

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> Just sayin' a new set of users might be discovering Monero

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> significantly more actual users actually using xmr requires the inherit value to increase

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ppl who say that a 3b market cap (155usd/xmr) is viable, arent actually pro-adoption

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> inherent value can be recontextualized. If recent transaction volume is an indicator the context changed in the first week of November.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The supply need to be distributed, and to do that the per-unit value needs to increase

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> not disagreeing just sayin' there's more to look at than price only

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Without the per-unit value increasing, users need to hold large amounts of 18m total supply

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If every user held just 1600usd in xmr (~10xmr), that would only allow 1.8m users

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (i havent eaten today so my math might not be mathing)

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> an economist might mention things like velocity of money and inflation

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> What matters is that there are 18m xmr and that is barely enough to support 1 major city at current values

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> if one is treating monero as an investment the interesting story is what happens tomorrow, more than what happens today.

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> larger community = good

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> bitcoin has a similar issue. Their tx throughput at ~500k tx/day is barely enough for 1 city.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Nothing happens tomorrow if everyone holds 500xmr

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Adoption is the opposite of hoarding large portions

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Whats 18m / 500?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> bUt LigNtIng is Ze SolUTION!

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> wrong reply

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> na that is always the correct reply /s

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Syn meant to reply to this, i believe

<0​xfffc:monero.social> What is the general consensus about lighting? There is too much good publicity around it.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Useful af but centralized and completely transparent

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> useful af? I hear of many problems

<0​xfffc:monero.social> Where is the centralization point? I am not deeply familiar with it.

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> do you know the basics of how it works?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> me neither but if i understood correctly you need to connect to lightning nodes which have full power over the funds

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> enlight us

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> dunno i'm the perfect person for it but ok will try

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> lightning nodes are connected with liquidity channels. To pay from one node to another you need a route between the nodes that can handle the liquidity you want.

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> the ideal case would be a direct connection with the full amount, but then you need to open a bunch of channels

<0​xfffc:monero.social> And they are permission-less nodes? Or restrictions on how you can become a node.

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> in practice what happens is most users connect to central hubs to route payment efficiently

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> hub and spoke model is what things tend to

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> if the only way you could send a payment is through a route with a bunch of channels, every single channel needs the liquidity available to handle the payment which can be prohibitive

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> so this inherently centralizes the network around a few major connections. makes sense, yeh?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> indeed make sense

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> many other issues like you need to be constantly online to make sure funds aren't stolen

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> then people need to set up servers and watchtowers and monitors oh my

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> and during high layer 1 fees someone can force the channel you opened with them to close cause they want their money right now, and then you get stuck paying the L1 fee

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> no fun at all

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> wow

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thats shit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> reinforce me in the opinion nostr fanatics are really dumb

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> hopefully with fcmp bringing transaction chaining we can get better L2

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> well... it ain't the magic wand that gets waved to solve the world's problems.

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> L2 monero would be awesome :)

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> github.com/davidshares/Lightning-Network

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> mamma mia

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> prolly biased af but an example of the abundance of reading material for anyone to look at

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> "June 26, 2017: Mathematical Proof That the Lightning Network Cannot Be a Decentralized Bitcoin Scaling Solution"

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> that looks like a good one lol

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> the only restriction is making the L1 transaction to create the payment channel afaik

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> other things can be far more exciting. shielded client side validation is a cool thing I don't totally understand but if any of you plan on seeing Liam Eagen at monerotopia you can talk to him about it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Whats 18m / 500? <<>> = 36,000 also 500xmr currently is $75k

75k = meh

Please pump after you have finished eating

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> XMR will be up by 100$ with new website

anchoc when you say l2 monero, do you mean monero as a l2 on btc, or l2 on top of monero?

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> L2 on top of monero

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what about L2 at the bottom of monero?

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> Just put it on top then flip it over

++

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> ⚠️ FYI. Today @ 20:00 CET is the first public ticket sale for 38c3!

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org do better! plowsof

<3​21bob321:monero.social> @monerobull#2546 ^

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Why did rotten send spam

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> porque rotten es un puto

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> xenu cállate, mejicano wannabe!

porque tiene un bussy :p

i'll see myself out

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> ?????? soy mexicano

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> xenu quisieras tú, puto.

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> a nadie le gustas

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> puto mierda

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i don't understand spanish but I can feel love in their words

<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> rotten es mi amor

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Puta

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> Esta usando este software de traduccion de forma incorrecta por favor consulta el manual

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Something about "the software doesnt work, RTFM"

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/kernal.eu/ZseOqxpQcvecvAaekHvGYBMq

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> DOGE on X. 😂😂😂

<s​athanas:envs.net> Hi everyone! I'm new to this chat and I'm trying to learn more about Monero. I came across an article that claims Monero isn't secure, and I'm curious to know if anyone here can help clarify whether that's true or not.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> this was the joke...

<s​athanas:envs.net> substack.com/home/post/p-148796311

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> omg

<s​athanas:envs.net> techleaks24.substack.com/p/how-ai-can-perform-key-image-analysis

<s​athanas:envs.net> i created a thread so it won't pollute the chat. If anyone could clarify it for me, i'd be thankful

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> trust me you should pollute the chat because we all have ADHD

<s​athanas:envs.net> xD that's good enough

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Regarding your first link know that what has been observed on chain analysis video has already been known. There was nothing new and it doesn't deserve the statement "Monero isn't secure." It is. Everyone has always recommended to use your own node or node that you trust.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Pollutedkt with t***leaks24's website

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero Offtopic

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Should go with the anti-vaxxer spam for cornfeedhobo to moderate

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> -_- bro is probably genuinely asking no need to put him in the trash

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I'm joking about hobo

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh alr sry

<s​athanas:envs.net> sorry if i bothered

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> NO YOU DON'T

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Hobo muted the whole bridge when he didnt like the convo in offtopic

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> As for the AI thingy i think there was a MAGIC grant but i don't remember what was the conclusion

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> Monero is secure and that source is garbage

<s​athanas:envs.net> hmmm, the article says that "it wasn't" debunked and there were more than ip logging, but i can't understand enough of it because i don't know that much of cryptocurrencies

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> but t***keaks incontinence is pretty wasteful use of energy.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> is a better topic for offtopic

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> That's all bullshit by a butthurt DERO shill. kayabaNerve had some confrontation with him on X because he neglected to pay the bounty he put up if anyone succeeded at breaking (deanonymizing) DERO txs., to which kayaba submitted a working PoC for and the rest is... well... history, for lack of a better word.

<s​athanas:envs.net> (im not inglesh)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> *leaks is a dero bagholder

<s​athanas:envs.net> so he's famous?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I don't!

<s​athanas:envs.net> so he's "famous" here?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Dero was deanonymized and *leaks lost a 10k bet

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> *leaks didnt pay up

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Responded in thread. 👍

<s​athanas:envs.net> thanks

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> obviously we're biased since we're part of the Monero community. I can believe ofrnxmr on his opinion of this website. There was nothing to be debunked in the first place. As said earlier, everything that has been observed here was known. Dandelion++ cannot protect you if you use malicious nodes

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So he pretends that monero isn't private, when dero is the chain that isnt private

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh. techleaks24 is a dero shill?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And yes, chainalysis only traced the tx because the user used a spy node via their clearnet io address

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sathanas: to be clear, chainanalysis wasn't able to determine the amount and recipients

<s​athanas:envs.net> so that means i shouldn't use a:

<s​athanas:envs.net> free node (not mine) even if im over tor, right?

I don't think we should pretend that key image analysis isn't possible

<s​athanas:envs.net> hmm that's godo

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> They were able to determine the amount and recipient

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The amount was sent to a compliant swapper, and the recipient was the swapper

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> fuck you ofrnxmr. now it make me look like I have other things to do when all the fuzz of this video happened! (it was tha case i had other things to do)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The attack was honestly trash

<s​athanas:envs.net> what /whois this "swapper" in question?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ok yeah so they weren't able to determine the amount per the transaction itself only because they used malicious exchange

<s​athanas:envs.net> does it means that they attacked themselves?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> cryptocurrency swapper => exchange crypto to crypto

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> there were a few swappers in their video that were lisred as "fbi" or "irs"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Like changenow and morphtoken

We can debate how effective key image analysis would be or whether, when combined with other data sources, information about particular users can be ascertained. However, unless we know what data sources are being aggregated we have no idea how much surveillance can be done (in reality).

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> isn't 'key image analysis' a misnomer?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> It means that the attack was EAE and that the feds were monitoring bith E's AND the node used by A

One can analyse key images. But it won't "break" privacy gaurentees by itself (as i understand it).

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> One can analyse key images < how?

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> specifically, what information do you get from the key image? Everything I read is talking about ring signatures and decoy elimination.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Right. They didnt break the privacy. Which is why ****leaks is still a scammer and a liar

I would hazard a guess there are all sorts of ways. I am not an expert. A "key image" is just a data point.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Bro don't wanna take the L on his shitcoin

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> not even FOSS

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 0 developers

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Still broken to this day

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cryptographically broken

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I think I remember Dero spamming r/monero with bots when I just joined the community

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Not off chain social engineering, but actually broken where the sender, receiver, amounts AND messages are all public. Dev lost on a boating trip

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> xcancel.com/kayabaNerve/status/1837879397891629469#m

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> xcancel.com/kayabaNerve/status/1833316891697250421#m

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Must be annoying af to be right because you never share something wrong

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> The really annoying part is how to demonstrate that the accusation is BS to an audience with no background in cryptography.

<s​athanas:envs.net> So in the end, this "techleaks" is attempting to sell his "coin" by bulls***ing monero?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> that could be boiled down to that

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Monero is basically the battle-tested private cryptocurrency, it is used everywhere by everyone on the darknet, it implements a lot of sound cryptography. The guy on the chainanalysis video is even acknowledging the effort of the Monero dev community. Dero on the other hand was an ambitious project of privacy cryptocurrency but KayabaNerve (Developer, Informal cryptographer, Lead <clipped messa

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> of Serai Decentralized Exchange, I could go on...) has discovered a critical vulnerability in Dero privacy which ultimately lead to sparks and hate to the Monero community for that.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Every communities have fanatics, Monero included. And Dero ones really did get embarassed on Twitter after asking kayabanerve to reveal the amount of a specific address... which he did 10 minute later

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> then proceeded to gaslight people, etc... this was quite the show

<s​athanas:envs.net> SO he started attacking monero right after his coin was "debunked", right?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Fanatics? yeah they started right away confidently telling kayabanerve was wrong despite being able to reveal the amount, sender and recipients. Fwiw debunk isn't the correct word here. Dero was really a private cryptocurrency it just suffered a critical vulnerability, it wasn't a scam which the word debunk could imply.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Dero was still far from perfect tho. It's not Free and Open Source, Core team was unknown, Didn't respond to KayabNerve attempt to disclose the vulnerability.

<s​athanas:envs.net> I'm not using Dero after what i heard about the developer in question, but do you consider it's technlogies relatively good?

<s​athanas:envs.net> I'm not using Dero after what i heard about the developer in question, but do you consider it's technologies relatively good?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Sorry I'm not knowledgeable on Dero's underlying cryptography. ofrnxmr or someone else might know that more than me

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> I doubt this is the place to ask about DERO

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> It should be clear that the source you linked is not credible, and his claims are nonsense.

<s​athanas:envs.net> ok, thank you

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I wouldn't want a beginner/newcomer to be greeted with a *Your research are worthless*. He deserved to be convinced

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> was worthless*

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its not as great as claimed

<s​athanas:envs.net> thank you for being acceptive

<s​athanas:envs.net> i'm not used to the rules yet

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> They claimed to be FHE but are only lartial, their account model still relies on decoys. They have a lot of problems

<s​athanas:envs.net> so i'll start asking non-related stuff in offtopic

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> there are no rules

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> except that there is no fight club

<s​athanas:envs.net> don't talk about it

<s​athanas:envs.net> thank you guys, things got clarified now

<s​athanas:envs.net> Can I operate host nodes entirely over I2P or Tor, or do they require clearnet access for me to connect to them via Tor or I2P?

You can over tor

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> github.com/monero-project/monero?tab=readme-ov-file#using-tor

<s​athanas:envs.net> i'll check

But you wont have incoming connections

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> who cares about incoming connections

Those linked intructions are ancient

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> more ancient than rottenwheel?

All you need is --proxy=127.0.0.1:9050 --p2p-bind-ip=127.0.0.1

That is for blockchain sync over tor

To add tx-relay over onion and i2p, see here docs.getmonero.org/running-node/monerod-tori2p

<s​athanas:envs.net> ok

<s​athanas:envs.net> thanks

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> ok I will try a bit harder

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> With private key k we calculate a public key as the scalar product kG = K

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> For key images we use hash function H to calculate kH(K) = Kimage

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> In both cases you are multiplying the private key by a publicly known value. Having seen that similarity, we know the security of one is somewhat analogous to the other.

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> claims of 'key image analysis' are comparable to someone talking about 'public key analysis' revealing information about your private key.

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> total and complete nonsense

<s​athanas:envs.net> yeah that was more convincing

<s​athanas:envs.net> 👍️

<g​eonic:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/SsAnVftEzKyxvwBfohIDfhmI

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> geonic joined the room

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> enligh us

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what is this image

<g​eonic:matrix.org> 15 media confirmed so far for tomorrow’s press conference for the opening of MoneroTopia

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thats cool

why am I seeing your messages show up on IRC before matrix

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> geonic: god is the only answer at this point.

the bridge is a mess

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> always has been

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> actually its not the bridge but the instnace

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> actually its not the bridge but the instance

we can create internet money but can’t figure out how a chatroom app works lol

<s​athanas:envs.net> connection

<s​athanas:envs.net> the bot is receiving faster before you, maybe

<s​athanas:envs.net> idk

could be. internet here isn't amazing. but I see it on irc right away

<s​athanas:envs.net> connection of irc >>> connection of matrix

anchoc: i think this paper discusses a little bit about how key images can be used as an analysis data point: moneroresearch.info/index.php?actio…EVIEW_CORE&id=39&list=1&highlight=1

I am no expert though, so you should ask someone a lot more knowledgeable than me.

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> I do not see any description of getting information from a key image. I do see a completely standard description of decoy elimination in section 1.3

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> or rather the only information provided by a key image is that an output is not double spent. as intended.

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> the analysis is performed on ring signatures and decoys, not on the key image

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> if you want to consider key images appearing in monero forks I guess that counts

<a​nchoc:matrix.org> but not really, there is no key image analysis for monero itself