not bad except the AI voice makes me tune out

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Who operated monerologs.net

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Operates*

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I need all the data ever recorded if possible, to train corpus text AI model, for all monitored channels

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> How would you even train an AI model, anyway? Wouldn't you need a lot more data than what exists on monerologs?

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I would use a base model, or retrieval mechanisms. I wouldn’t necessarily ‘fit’ the data into the model. But would give the AI sufficient ‘tools’ with specific inputs to those tools and the AI would be able to choose which tool is most appropriate to use given the query from the user. It might decide it needs to use the timescale dimension, of index messages by person ch<clipped message>

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> atting. Or what happened between this date and this date.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You might ask it something like:

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> How positive is the sentiment on Haveno right now? And it could elasticsearch ‘tool’ all of the Haveno related data either by embedding semantics or just by keywords for a recent date, searching both chats and Reddit and productivity rates on GitHub for example. Then use expanded scope on those keyword origins to get a greater context to make decisions on.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> My main focus is getting the Haveno multiplatform app out today or tomorrow. But it would be nice to have some data to work with after cause I’m bored shirtless of this app now. Pretty much all just DevOps work at this point getting it built properly and too a standard F-Droid will accept.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> You can get base models from huggingface.co but I still prefer to use gpt4 as a context window

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> That's really pretty smart.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Nothing really compares to OpenAI yet at all

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Hopefully a leak will come out soon however I’m sure based on the size of their model in TB/PB it will be kinda hard ‘leak’ the same way snowden did

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Monero is significantly undervalued right now

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It should be around double

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It keeps bouncing in market cap from position 23 - 50

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> No other crypto currencies do that

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> There is either an infinite money glitch in it that no one has caught on to yet or the delisting are doing it, but realistically with Reto already released you can fake reserves anymore, so it should be going up. I guess not enough people know about Haveno yet.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> There is either an infinite money glitch in it that no one has caught on to yet or the delisting are doing it, but realistically with Reto already released you can’t fake reserves anymore, so it should be going up. I guess not enough people know about Haveno yet.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Delistings have had a positive effect on Monero, and we wrote extensively about this in the markets channel.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I didn’t read it but I’m glad you concur, but relatively, they’ve drastically worsened in value

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I don’t usually raise these types of topics but I am beginning to become concerned about something, I was looking at some stats, it appears 2 mining organisations if paired together owns more than 60% of the hash rate

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> If I’m not mistaken, they could collaborate a 51% attack

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/PVgPlamlYmHpqPFcAGDoxckt

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> So I recognise this to be a serious problem

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Or am I talking utter nonsense?

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Not organizations, but centralized pools. It's no secret that botnets own majority of the hash rate on these pools. For them,

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> getting infected computers to mine using these pools is preferable to p2pool (which requires more installation and is easier to detect). However, I highly doubt that botnet operators would ever cooperate with each other.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Not organizations, but centralized pools. It's no secret that botnets own majority of the hash rate on these pools. For them, getting infected computers to mine using these pools is preferable to p2pool (which requires more installation and is easier to detect). However, I highly doubt that botnet operators would ever cooperate with each other.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Why would they not it would benefit them both on double spending

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> And it’s untraceable, so we’d never know.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’m trying to wrap my head around botnets being preferable to p2p

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Game theory. What we have here is a classic illustration of the coordination problem. Multiple botnet operators (unknown number) would need to converge on a specific strategy of double spending the network. This requires not only agreement but also trust among participants and the use of a common pool. In practice, such cooperation is unfeasible.

<g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Bitcoin faced a similar challenge initially. However, as more honest miners joined the network, the problem diminished and this is happening on Monero with the increasing adoption of p2pool by honest miners.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> I guess I don’t yet have deep enough knowledge on the full Monero protocol, but my understanding is that the coordination would only need to happen between the person who owns the domains of the pool

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> One of those pools is owned by monero guy. and i think there are 2 types of "botnets". Blackops feds using server farms, and blackhat monero supporters - protecting from the former

<r​ucknium:monero.social> kewbit.org: A common misconception. Double-spend 51% attacks on Monero are observable to every node. I know this because I've 51% attacked a testnet of a Monero fork. The node prints messages about the blockchain re-organization.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> ofrnxmr: BasicSwap has a Matrix room, right? What's the address?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> BasicSwapDEX (BSX)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> no

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> there is no place where you could realistically double spend enough to make it worth it

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> its way easier to just have your literal free money printer to keep printing vs trying to disrupt the network

<r​ucknium:monero.social> The basicswap room isn't discoverable with a search of matrix.org rooms, AFAIK.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Lack of liquidity protects against 51% double-spends *taps head*

<4​rkal:monero.social> New Monero archive vanity link!

<4​rkal:monero.social> archiv32ihkwhf26umylx3u7tgatrxnwokn7wg46xifpcxrgjibab3id.onion

<4​rkal:monero.social> Also available on clearnet git.4rkal.com

I was a little surprised that the BasicSwap dev at MoneroTopia hadn't heard of either Farcaster or COMIT

rucknium: camarainformativa.com/2024/11/20/mo…elebro-su-segunda-edicion-en-mexico

there's 5-6 more but this is maybe the best one in terms of content. I'll type up a report soon and include links

geonic: Is there an English article as well?

no, all Spanish-language media

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Thanks, geonic

geonic: ty, will use translate then :P

that should work :)

<d​etherminal:monero.social> There was another one that hosted up-to-date archives of Monero ecosystem related projects. What was it? 🤔

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Librejo, no?

<d​etherminal:monero.social> Yeah, thanks.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> librejo.monerodevs.org

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> > finalizó Andrés, uno de los organizadores del evento.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> anhdres 🤨

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> Jajaja that shows you cannot trust media

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> “Para nosotros, Monero simboliza libertad. Saber que gozamos de total privacidad en esas transacciones o en nuestras cuentas es lo que motiva a los usuarios a seguir utilizando Monero, lo cual lo hace muy diferente a otras criptomonedas”, finalizó Andrés, uno de los organizadores del evento.

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> There's no way I've said specifically that

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> Well, it could be worse

sounds good either way 😄

"the BasicSwap dev at MoneroTopia hadn't heard of either Farcaster or COMIT" geonic - not a dev

who was he?

ah, communications @ basicswap. monerotopia.com/event/aaron-diaz

still, I’d expect them to know what those are and how basicswap differs from them

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Not there app, so probably doesnt care

who cares what solutions already exist when u have 3000 xmr to spend

interoperability is overrated too

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Im pissed of right now my butter sandwich is utterly bad can you geonic and ofrnxmr stop fighting in each other while i'm enjoying this afk/inactive channel

<3​21bob321:monero.social> ^ instigator

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I don't even know how much we paid for that but...

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> 4-5 pics and 10 paragraphs and that's the 'best' of the 5-6 'reports'...

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I don't even want to check nor know how much the CCS was for...

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> But now you are one of the organizers! Free credit!

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> My opinion is for next year we need to focus in working with local crypto/econ influencers and their communities and not so much general news media.

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> Don't be jealous, I'm sure we can find a fake title for you as well

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> No lmao, I'm good.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> They can afford it

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Oops

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Wrong room

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> anhdres: is the rumour true that you literally said those exact words??

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> Damn, ITS TRUE IVE SAID IT ALL

I agree the value isn’t there. I told them as much. The other 5-6 articles are basically just a copy-paste of the press release. They said they’ll make it up, I want to see how.

WIP

whats 36.67xmr between friends and a few local journalists.. its nearly christmas too. have a heart

good news is we didn't go for the expensive paper ad so we have $2500 left over. maybe we can make some Czech journalists happy :D

e.g. vertigopolitico.com/finanzas/notas/…elebro-su-segunda-edicion-en-mexico

the pic alone makes me want to barf lol

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> looks like ©️👉️🏆️👈️ but a bit more satanic

the empty chairs kill me

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> theres about 16 chairs there as a metaphor

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the audience are standing behind the photographer

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Is this for monerotopia pr thing?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the chairs do look look slightly moved, so they have been sat in at some point which makes me hopeful

"who cares what solutions already exist when u have 3000 xmr to spend" << i dont pay him anything

^ another copy-paste job

Ccs doesnt scope conferences or marketing, at all, and i dont plan to spend any of the ccs of anything like thay

Also, the ccs amount is not in my hands. I couldnt pay him even if i wanted to

ofrnxmr: my point is that BasicSwap, as a recipient of substantial support from the CCS, should be aware of what other solutions exist for the problem they're solving

I am not basicswap. I am the recipient of the ccs

Basicswap devs know VERY WELL what farcaster and comit are

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> who hired him? blame them :D

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> if i get cast to play cinderella im taking that $ and putting those glass heels on

the assumption that ccs pays for conference appearances is nonsense

Its a dev ccs, and were busy devving. Whatever happens at monerotopia is none of my concern

Next time call me and i'll present remotely

And the assumption that basicswap doesn't know about other solutions is also nonsense. Basicswap has support for comit type swaps as well as adaptor sigs and bch style swaps

I expect geonic to know the technical side of how crytography differs between zano and monero /s

Or the difference between equihash and scrypt

"And bcuz geonic doesnt know, monero devs dont know"

Basicswap devs are particl devs and have been around for many years and have worked with people like shen noether. Confusing someone presenting at a conference with someone who works on the codebase is ridiculous. Could he have been better prepared? sure. Is that my problem? No

I just said what happened at the conference, didn't mean to trigger you

btw I'm not the Head of Comms for Monero but I could talk about the major differences between Monero and Zcash for example

or at least I've heard of Zcash :p

the chairs are empty because monerians are paranoid and don't want their picture taken lol

may I suggest doing modern journalism = write the article yourself and pay them to publish it

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Thats why they steal chairs too?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "<g​eonic> I just said what happened at the conference, didn't mean to trigger you" << you literally mentioned ccs and misrepresented the ccs amount by ~90%, as if i raised money for movies, marketing and awards

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You didnt "trigger" me, youre spreading bullshit

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <g​eonic> interoperability is overrated too

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Basicseap supports multiple protocols and its literally in the ccs to investigate interoperability with stuff like unstoppables orderbook

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <g​eonic> who cares what solutions already exist when u have 3000 xmr to spend

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> talking as if basicswap is some novel approach that hasnt existed for ~5yrs

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> basicswap/basicswap e242f50

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> July 2019