Make us proud syncbird

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> nioc: 🫡

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Rip plowsof

🦀

Guys, I am stupid asf, I downloaded monero last version on windows, then moved it in wsl after unzip and I didn't see monerod file inside, I surfed the internet for 2 hours and then I realized that my antivirus deleted it when I unziped it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> that's because monero is a virus

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> defender is right

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it's a malware don't use it!

method is working properly now, thx very much guys

this is was crazy

from the time I unzip it until the time I add an exclusion nothing gets deleted, win 10

think of all the friends you are going to make along the way thebone32 after finding us all here

"thebone32 has quit" 😭

yea, sorry, it's a little too late, 03:42 am

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Feather wallet avoids this

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/eJcdcSTzqhXHbVMjiuUXXqcu

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> not today, fed /s

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> account is already deleted so wont be approving this

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Blockchain is praised for transparency ?

yes?

yo, guys, are you sitting just here for 24/7 hours? Or you are some kind of collective intelligence?

define collective intelligence.

like decentralized decision making center

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Define intelligence

define Bob.

<c​t:xmr.mx> thebone32: there are a few highly dedicated people, but for most there is too much to keep up 24/7. Instead people read and comment whenever they have time

m-relay: I understand it, just jocking

dukenukem: You used all your definition tokens for this 24 hours

thebone32: what are you? the dealer in a casino now? :D

I am a new fee dealer in monero blockchain

-12

Does anybody know advantages of Feather Wallet over Wallet GUI? Is it just about privacy? Or there is smth else?

thebone32: GUI = PlayStation 1. Feather = PlayStation 4, maybe 5.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Metronero got rejected by MAGIC MAGICGrants/Monero-Fund #41#issuecomment-2750657777

<3​21bob321:monero.social> No explanation

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Sad

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Would be good and professional to give feedback as to why it was accepted

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Erm we hopped on a call with the voters and they said there are alternatives and they don't need this project. I didn't get a response when I asked to name an open source alternative other than btcpayserver lol.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Wasnt

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Hmm

<3​21bob321:monero.social> CSS it is?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> No, because CCS didn't merge it either few years ago

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> magicgrants.org/monerofundminutes/2024-12-24.html they even bother to reach out and support zookos BAT token

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> tbf it was a different committee

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Let's not make an alternative to google, cause we have google.

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> but are above supporting projects from within the community

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Kuno fundraiser ?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> My dayjob salary

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Why did CCS reject it ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> idk im too lazy to go fetch the gitlab discussion

<s​iren:kernal.eu> CCS didn't respond

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Maybe plowsof or ofrn remembers

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Maybe they want to keep the fcmp monies

Nobody rejected, all the opposite, all the comments were in support, it just stalled away until digilol enterprises got their panties in a bunch and closed it.

Mr. Bahamas time sometimes make CCS ideas walking zombies.

3 months chilling in repo. Not a single letter about it. :shrug:

Dis is da monero way.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Yeah the community feedback was positive although I heard in private that there were plans to "let it rot" until we close it anyway

<3​21bob321:monero.social> CCS ?

nooo! Teleton!

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> the weirdest part was this new glowie committee member that wasnt seen before in the Monero community

<3​21bob321:monero.social> ?

¿

<s​iren:kernal.eu> This guy MAGICGrants/Monero-Fund #41#issuecomment-2689239123

my memory is that the community started asking for changes in the CCS, don't remember what they were or ii appropriate, and to me it looked like it was going to be a loooong process

Let me get the receipts...

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Nioc: we accepted the changes, later on we got asked to revert. We changed the proposal accordingly each time.

thx for the memory :)

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> tacolopo.github.io dod booze allen hangillton

7 upvotes.

It's like cough BTCPayserver plugin cough idea right now cough...

History repeats... sometimes.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Never heard of them

Proposal idea was posted on... check notes...

January 10.

It's March 25. Still sitting there.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> But I think the requirement was know nick ?

Upvote count? Fucking 8.

lol, nice deja vu.

a compliance engineer :D

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I don't know what happened internally but that guy quit magic before voting on the proposal

for some definition of compliance

<s​iren:kernal.eu> But he was going to downvote anyway because I didn't call him on signal

errrm... signal?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Ahaha

BTCpayserver is @ libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20250315#c510725 and libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20250315#c510733

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Petty

also CCS is corrupt and evil discussion coming in

<s​iren:kernal.eu> He also proceeded to have a mental breakdown in the MoneroPay room on a Friday night

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> XD

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Sounds like @monero

<3​21bob321:monero.social> If you read the rules core decides all

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> I mean in the case of the btcpayserver plugin the delay was also because they mentioned they wanted to find funding elsewhere

lmfao.

wtf is this. repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/353#note_20066

<3​21bob321:monero.social> How's the financial audit on CCS funds? Are we liquid ?

that Lithuanian weed was amazing that night!

Hello, M0N3R0 🔫 🛁 ⛪ 🦋 🕌 extremists 🙈,

Have made ✍🏼 a couple of very important changes and would love 💝 to hear 🙉 some comments.

With Love 😽,

The MoneroPay Team.

Monero shopping proposal was a meme at the time (although the comment is childish and patronising)

<s​iren:kernal.eu> dukenukem: there was a proposal for Amazon Monero shopping (?) platform at the time and it was written in a crackhead manner like that. Stnby is mocking that.

I rememba now.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> repo.getmonero.org/Lovezoid. ?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Because it was receiving more attention than Metronero and it was newer.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> monero shopping was funny

lol, that Amazon proposal...

<3​21bob321:monero.social> The eBay one ?

Digilol can not accept payment from CCS , moving on

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> "give us money to fund our for-profit proxystore copy"

lol

<3​21bob321:monero.social> "Condoms for Palestine "

<s​iren:kernal.eu> plowsof: I could go personally but I don't trust that you won't ghost me again 😭

the flippant behaviour is a risk for me currently

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Flippant behavior from us?

other than that, Metronero is unique, afaict there is no open source payment gateway with a realistic way for the host to scrape fees

not sure why MAGIC says there are alternatives that offer the same features

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I don't see how we're flippant

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> There's NowPayments :D. If that delisted XMR we would stop accepting XMR as a business :D

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Well we have alternative ways and entities outside EU to continue accepting XMR

<s​iren:kernal.eu> He actually didn't know about nowpayments, he suggested people use OxaPay

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> In progress for a couple months. But EU is screwing with us each day.

<c​t:xmr.mx> ct remembers. Siren and stnby didn't have the track record they have now (or at least not to me) and I thought it was too ambitious. Really a shame, have a different view on it now

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I remember

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We paid scammer mj and kept moving goalpost on metronero week to week

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Metronero had no downvotes, just every week was a request for changes. Changes were all made as requested

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But the oscar movie and scamJ were priorities

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> is there are a rule stating a CCS cannot be retried after some period of time ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> im very english well i know

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We couldnt get metro merged, and we could stop the scam proposals. Dark days

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Couldnt* stop

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> mj was allowed to show up and change his milestones from "pay me for sticking around til completion" to "pay me out so solopt csn rain unfinished til at least 2025 or i'll sue you"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And we merged mjs milestone chsnges, but not metronero

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We allowed oscsr bs, on premise that its marketing so the movie doesnt need to follow rule 4. even though voting on that was 50:50 and the downvotes were all in good faith

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Midi claiming that we were gatekeepers and should let the movie that doesnt feature monero be featured on ccs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Meanwhile, we pushed metronero to make more and more logistic changes and seemed to intention to ever accept it.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Was it really? When there was a working MVP and a public code repository? Not that it matters anymore, just wanted to highlight this for people without context.

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> the selflessness and uncompensated work required upfront are a high bar, even after that there is a lot of scrutiny

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I domt think sk

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Winning an oscar was too ambitious

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> remember, the oscar and metronero were about the same time and amount

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> non technical work receives less scrutiny in some cases

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Bad actors* receive less scrutiny

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Because its easier to push around/control good actors

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Scamj didnt have non-technical proposals

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Again, scamj was the same time period

<c​t:xmr.mx> "At least not to me" = at that time I didn't pay attention to your work/ didn't recognize the name.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont remember you (ct) being critical of it at all

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Maybe you abstained tho

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> the discourse often lacks technical depth. People throw around half truths and dont show the humility and curiosity to learn and ask deeper questions. it is what it is. to succeed in monero there is a need to be a politician in some cases and condense complex technical subjects to palatable soundbites

<c​t:xmr.mx> lol I wasnt against it, but I didnt do the research and also didnt vote in favor. Was at the point where I started to become a bit more active. Well can't fix the past

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> this sadly applies to people that take active part instead of just abstaining

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> it is what it is haha

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> iirc monero go predated motronero, and moneropay was around as well. so they werent slme rando nubes. Also were active. Anyway. Nodo, atm and pos all integrate moneropay in one way or another. I think magics vote was ass

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Voters who don't actively participate in the community and who are ill informed of the ecosystem.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Tons of support for the project irl in MoneroTopia and online but gets rejected by these people. That's unfortunate.

<s​gp_:monero.social> I'm just speaking for myself not the committee (and I didn't vote on this proposal since I don't have a vote), but I think one of the main challenges is that the people who support the proposal here are not merchants who need to use this.

<s​gp_:monero.social> Payment processors are _relatively_ easy to make, but they are difficult to make at an _enterprise_ level and then _maintain_. That's why so many of them have been made over the years and then abandoned. They get made for (usually) a niche use-case the creator wants, not widely adopted, and then abandoned.

<s​gp_:monero.social> I think there's a significant risk that any processor project, particularly one that doesn't have the financial backing to pay for permanent maintenance, will struggle to get adopted.

<s​gp_:monero.social> If MoneroKon and/or Monerotopia don't want to use BTCPay Server, they probably need to front the costs for this for this solution. If they can't cover these costs, then the unfortunate truth is that there probably isn't enough demand to provide the resources to maintain this.

<s​gp_:monero.social> From the MAGIC side (not the committee), if we were to support a payment processor of our own, I wouldn't want to pay for one-off projects. I would want to hire expertise to maintain the thing fully and have full control over how the project gets developed.

<s​gp_:monero.social> So it's not a matter of whether a project is cool or not, but who is actually going to use it and provide the resources to maintain it.

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> magic grants should be removed from feather wallet as the committee and the organization as a whole is clearly out of touch with the community github.com/feather-wallet/feather/b…gins/crowdfunding/CCSWidget.cpp#L61

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> the other issue is chain analytics involved people should be banned from this community entirely.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> "Payment processor" (POS, ATM, checkout API) of this scale took us years to make and there's a small ecosystem revolving around that now. It's not going away. We even explained our plans for offering managed hosting and sponsorship logo placement to continue funding the project during the video call. MoneroKon barely has funds to host the main event and went to CCS for support. MT<clipped message>

<s​iren:kernal.eu> shows us support by collaborating on Nodo and MoneroPay.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> [insert something that pour fuel on the fire]

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Dev tax coming to metronero as we explore alternative funding options (this is a JOKE)

<s​gp_:monero.social> I'm not trying to be argumentative at all, I just want to share my perspective. And yes I know you have done more work than just Metronero and I am grateful for that other work. I do really hope to be proven wrong

sgp_ since i see you here, have you read my question from the other day? What makes your Moonstone research firm different from a chainanalisi company that tracks Monero users and transactions for profit?

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> yeah answer this question

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> bannable offense

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> lets get rid of this guy he clearly does not share our values

also would like to know about the tracking tools you have developed, as mentioned in moonstoneresearch.com

I don't want to ban or kick anyone, but i do think this is a question that should be answered to

the wording on the website seem to be quite clear: moonstoneresearch.com

since he is so deeply involved with Monero, i think it's fair to ask how that conciliate with running a chainanalisis company specialised in tracking Monero

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> tbf, if monero can be tracked, thats a monero problem. Personally, i'd be asking for a lot more than irs is offering

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Me neither, there's nothing you can do except to maybe find a way to improve policies on committee member selection. I simply hope no ecosystem dev wastes time on MAGIC. We were not treated nicely as devs, we were met with strange tantrums on the smallest of roadblock, and in the end we were evaluated by people who didn't do enough research on the subject. But this is just our perspective.

"chain analytics involved people should be banned from this community entirely" hard disagree. Red teams are necessary for defense

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> there is a difference between good faith red teaming and "patent pending" BS sold to law enforcement

Is red teaming what sgp_ is doing? producing tracking tools and selling them to the best offerent including law enforcement is red teaming?

it's hard to take that take seriously

<s​iren:kernal.eu> There's no benefit to red teaming without disclosure

fair, fair, fair

i do understand that there are a lot of friendship relationships within the community. It's normal

but that shouldn't end up in a closed circlejerk where to not see reality alternative truth are built on the spot

I agree with everything y'all have said except that we should kick/ban anyone not being actively malicious. I guess y'all are just arguing that they're being actively malicious

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> problem is he is using these relationships as leverage to sell what ever the fuck it is he is selling

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> to gain credibility

i specifically said i don't think should be banned. but i do invite people here to ask themselves some hard questions of the state of Monero if nobody gives a shit about something like this

I don't give a shit if he sells a magic 8 ball to law enforcement

I do give a shit if Monero's technological advancement is hindered in any way by blockchain analysis companies.

do you think there is no risk of that kind when somebody running a chainanalisis company is so deeply involved in Monero's internals?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> stop the fud. sgp have no involvement in "Monero's internals", he have no influence in the development and its contributions so far has been audit networking for MRL

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> audit of papers and ideas made by people unrelated to Moonstone

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> When sgp start making pull request or being a roadblack (he can't) then you can start speaking about muh involvement from the feds

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> roadblock*

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Deeply involved? R u smoking?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> btw i don't think that because sgp is working with old feds or is running a chainanalysis company automatically means his PR have bad intents

Thank you for your very good takes. sgp_ i still hope to get an answer from you about my (i think fair) concerns.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Sgp has PRs? reviews prs? Merges them?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no lmao: "his PRs would have"*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sry

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Remember phone, this concern troll also told us that mymonero good, stack wallet bad

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Remember ppl*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I love stack wallet

<3

o​frnxmr you remember what i said the last time about starving the primadonna? could you try that pretty please. You popping up every time i write something is flattering but i need no groupie

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think you said you wanted to take me on a date or smthn

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Maybe it was a bit more X rated

sgp_ i'd be happy to also ask you some questions in private if you prefer. Or i cannot see it in a different way than refusing to answer since you are here.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> How would you know that he's here

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Honestly, if moonstone determinalistically tracks monero.. good!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Serves us right for being pussies

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Meanwhile, erc has never done anything to help solve issues that havr been known about for like 8yrs

that must be your most generic attack so far. Getting lazy?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Attack? Bro feels special

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Rq ban

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> when are you going to make good on your promise to leave the community?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> @erciccione ^ that is a message for you

you guys need a goal in life. Bothering me cannot be it.

i did leave btw, that's why it's called coming -back-

and i know you hate it, makes you very sad and bla blah blah, but deal with it. Your opinion is not a factor in my choices. kisses

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Bro, stay gone

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> What kind of person invites themselves to a party that nobody wants them at

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I want to believe ErC is kewbit

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> srsly

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> we need less whiney bitches, not more

<r​4v3r23:monero.social> "an attack on me is an attack on monero" lmfaooo

+quote <s​pirobel:kernal.eu> magic grants should be removed from feather wallet as the committee and the organization as a whole is clearly out of touch with the community

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> bannable offense <= LOL

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 💵 For 500$ 💵 I'm committing a moderator abuseon r/Monero 🔨 on the user of your 🫵 choice.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Dm me if interested 🙏

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Free speech forever 🚀

<s​iren:kernal.eu> 中共非常感谢你们的合作

syntheticbird go to bed.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 随时准备帮助中共的亲密战友 👍️👍️👍️

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> dukenukem: NO

syntheticbird don't make me tuck you in...

there are no nice stories for bad boys...

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> can i like half sleep?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Monero Offtopic

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (rotten reeeee in 5 4 3)

syntheticbird come here bb.

define: half sleep.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> im sleeping but with my eyes opened

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> also i can talk and move

are you a cat now?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> always has been

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> meeeeeeeeeoooooooooowwwwwwwww

purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

syntheticbird do you also make that purring sound as you are half asleep?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> alright sorry ofrn will stop

<s​iren:kernal.eu> honestly this deserves its own category on archiveofourown

<s​iren:kernal.eu> along with erc x ofrn

lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> first time hearing of "archiveofourown", such a good name

<s​iren:kernal.eu> it's fanfic site archiveofourown.org

<s​iren:kernal.eu> now kiss

apparently a sterilized kitten it is...

no balls to continue.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/kernal.eu/UxtcbnDUDRibmcoHdYjOCtmf

<s​iren:kernal.eu> _the powerful elites_

<s​gp_:monero.social> Monero LWS app for TrueNAS truenas/apps #1936

Sgp_ does "yunohost" mean anything to you? Someone posted a monero app for that (not sure if AI) bounties.monero.social/posts/48/0-5…rod-module-on-yunohost-distribution

<s​gp_:monero.social> I've heard of it but have never used it

<s​gp_:monero.social> For LWS, we've kept it simple. Users need to use something else for encryption (nginx, cloudflare, i2p, tor, etc), and manually input allowlisted address+viewkey pairs

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Soon ™️

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Coolify when ?