is there something more sinister going on with p2pool mini? any truth to this "deliberately withholding blocks" accusation cc sech1 reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1kizm5…something_definitely_fishy_going_on

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> reading #p2pool-log:monero.social backlog does not suggest anything along these lines, other than tari blindly sending hashes to p2pool mini

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> Wait.... That's a Tari wallet, as in, a Monero wallet used by the Tari network as a whole?

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> If that's the case, then the issue is most likely at some config, not a malicious miner

Just a glitch on the observer, now then

Bisq themselves are making easy mobile apps bisq.network/blog/mobile-app-survey , considering haveno is a fork of bisq, the haveno mobile app being a fork of bisqs' seems logical (then people can have 4 ~ mobile apps to choose from 😅)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> github.com/bisq-network/bisq-mobile

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> > To achieve this goal, we are building a total of 3 mobile apps that can be divided in 2 categories:

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ~6? To choose from 🥲

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> neromonero1024 i dont think that 200mh or whatever is from Tari, at all

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> and its possible that they are submitting their own blocks via solo-mining, and stealing the p2pool blocks

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If found share greater than network difficulty then fwd to rpc

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Else fwd to p2pool

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/RnRTHbaYFNOSjboTLOdJoUlK

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> posting as screenshot, reddit blocks the VPN/Tor

ofrnxmr they are mining Tari. And they do find Monero blocks and submit them.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> The power of trends

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So its its a tari botnet?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Otherwise why are all rewards going to 1 address

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> me when im having a mining pool for mining in p2pool mining pool be like

I thought id be able to find the p2pool address in taris github repo somewhere

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> I dunno anything about Tari but it'd make more sense if that's a multisig wallet created by the coordination of the Tari nodes

Perhaps a few of the investors like Messi and Paris Hilton are signers

'why mining to 1 address / how/where is this address set or forced upon tari miners' is da Q

[CCS Proposals] Xavier 2022 opened merge request #584: Preliminary Construction of Monero Sidechain with Embedded Smart Contracts repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/584

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nack pre fcmp

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I just want FCMP++ to be shipped on mainnet so that we can start thinking about post quantum cryptography

[CCS Proposals] plowsoff closed merge request #584: Preliminary Construction of Monero Sidechain with Embedded Smart Contracts repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/584

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON TIME BOIS

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hahahahahahahahaha plowsof, yhank you 🙇‍♂️

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i was going to say it looks like slop, but wasnt sure if i was still traumatized from the i2p pr

🧟 🐥

<a​remor:matrix.org> Chicken Jackie did the space proposal?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yes

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> Bro hungry for some CCS funding xD

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He should have never lowered form 30000xmr

meeting in this room in 2 minutes monero-project/meta #1201

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Meeting time monero-project/meta #1201

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Greetings everyone

<a​remor:matrix.org> Hi

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> why so much hash rate all of a sudden bitinfocharts.com/comparison/monero-hashrate.html#alltime

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> greets

<a​remor:matrix.org> What’s the blockchain that wanted to deliberating 51% xmr? That sech mentioned.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> and the p2pool mini whale has been revealed as being Tari mini.p2pool.observer/miners?weekly , perhaps datahoarder could pull some strings behind the scenes and add the alias manually to avoid confusion?

<a​remor:matrix.org> What’s the blockchain that wanted to deliberately 51% xmr? That sech mentioned.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> indeed, "They're literally trying to 51% p2pool.io/u/d942b8e353666b71/image.png " via sech1

oh, it IS mini plowsof? links to that? I can flag it down if you have a specific source that shows their address in use

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the name though? 😆

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ah hello DataHoarder, there is some backlog in #p2pool

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> in #p2pool-log, also, there is apparentlya bug in the p2pool observer

<a​remor:matrix.org> Yeah them. Not Tari right?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> not tari no, hmmmmmm

the bug is known, unrelated to this. Have been having issues with monerod and fetching output indices

(blocks are still detected to be mined/main blocks, just can't fetch the outputs properly)

<a​remor:matrix.org> Well Tari counteracts them. But def 2 chains pumping up xmr hash.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ah thanks DH, sech1/xmrvsbeast have confirmed it is tari, and feel they have made an error in judgement - did not expect so many hashes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its broken, clearly

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> P2pool miners are supposed to have their own monero addresses. Tari even (afaik) generates a new monero address for you. So it shouldnt be throwing 200mh at one address unless something in misconfigured

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Or unless its a "single" miner, in which case its not "tari" mining, but a miner/farm/botnet that mines tari. Or tari runs a centealized pool ontop of p2pool like aterx or minexmr2

let's talk after the meeting is done - and yeah, they should have definitely just used p2pool main (not mini) besides fuzzy feelings on using mini

Obv matrix had to be slow

Sent those messages like 4mins ago

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> 👍️

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> also, Cuprate update v0.0.3 monero.observer/hinto-janai-releases-cuprated-v0.0.3-molybdenite

I didn't confirm "it was tari"

I only confirmed the miner merge mined Tari

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> is it only a hypothesis at this point?

DataHoarder looks like supportxmr is down

No, I analyzed merge mining tag in tx_extra of their shares

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ahh apologies for the error , so this is totally unrelated to the Tari project?

that can be known with certainty ^

So not a hypothesis

They're definitely merge mining _something_

And this _something_ must be Tari because there is no other option at the moment

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ok Tari "project" are not involved - like the official tari binaries

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \* scary music starts to play \*

No

It's some individual with rented hashrate merge mining Tari

They're probably gambling that they can pay back the rental with mined XMR

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> yeah thanks, i been spreading fud about the Project , Sorry FP

and get Tari coins in the process

ok, I hadn't missed anything then plowsof, this is the backlog I know :)

And so far they're successful because XMR went up in price, so they will be able to pay the rental

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thanks for investigating and confirming this

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> side note: i wonder if any high fee tx's have appeared during this rental

i tried to reach out to one of supportxmr admin but no response

Nanopool is 38% of the hash right now as a result of support being offline

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> sech1 so its a bit like someone farming an airdrop with a sybil?

there's no sybil

they just have a lot of hashrate

Ah, an airdrop

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> some people do professional airdrop farming

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ah, from the supportxmr chat, mining is apparently OK, just the API is being DDosD

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> they make tons of wallets and do transfers / activity that is likely to be rewarded

ahhhh

Here, they just rented a lot of hashrate to mine Tari

plowsof, the blocks found dont look like sxmrs ok

and they get mined XMR to pay for the rent

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> this could be a similar pattern / motivation

it can be a self-sustainable process if the rental price is not too high, or as long as XMR keeps going up in price

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Nah

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Tari airdrop has nothing to do with transactions

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Someone definitely rented hash to merge mine

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ofrnxmr but an admin said its ok 😭😭

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> monerobull: I know. just gave this as an example to explain the concept.

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> there is a whole subculture related to airdrop farming

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> And sometimes it works

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> so tari has 2 mining algorithms. i wonders if its more profitable to rent SHA3 or RandomX hashes? i have no idea

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> I wish I had airdrop farmed hyperliquid

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> For sure sha3

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Because of AI hype, you can rent 4060s for 15 cents an hour

SHA3 can be mined on FPGAs and ASICs

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> so the profit incentive would be to do this with sha3 perhaps? tbh i have no idea

it's a matter of time before GPUs are non-competitive there

Also depends on how the algos are weighted (idk how they are)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> 50/50

hash per hash 50:50?

Sounds unreasonable / unlikely

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Targeted distribution is 50/50

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> tokenomics of tari / mining uhhh all i know is Messi and Paris hilton make moneys if tari pumps so thats re assuring xD

lil wayne hopefully too

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> airdrop.tari.com/tokenomics

😂

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> "Network rewards are split 50/50, with half of the Tari block reward going towards merge mining performed with the RandomX hashing algorithm and 50% of the block rewards going to Tari standalone miners using the SHA3x hashing algorithm. "

Yeah, so regardless of randomx hash, randomx gets 50% of the block reward

s

so sha doesnt have an advantage. Sounds like 2 difficulties are at play. Ok enough premine token talk :D

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> any other highlights as of late? News: [Monero Observer](monero.observer) - [Revuo Monero](revuo-xmr.com)

ofrnxmr both algos target 4 minute per block

so Tari gets blocks every 2 minutes on average, with 50/50 distribution between RandomX and SHA3

Nice

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> perfect daemon, anon, ooo123ooo123 has been paid for his services to the monero project

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> aremor is here, hello sir

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> shall we move on to the Haveno APP ccs idea?

sure

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> close

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> 4. [CCS updates](ccs.getmonero.org)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> too good to be true

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> a. [Haveno App (Cross Platform)](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/570)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i don't want to live in a world in which an haveno app does exist

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> this ccs proposal might succeed and thats an issue

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> doesnt? 😄

There was a reddit thread where the idea got lots of support

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ohhh

8,500 views and no negative comments

github.com/atsamd21/Haveno-app syn

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thx

Thats a different one

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ig its over

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> well then +1 for aremor

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> bisq users will get an app soon too bisq.network/blog/mobile-app-survey

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \> Bisq Easy Mobile

I assume it works but havent tried it

how soon?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \> thumbnail shows Bisq Desktop

Bisq has 3 apps in the works

bisq does tend to move pretty slowly

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> like java? HAHAHAHAHA

one of them connects to bisw desktoo

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> this joke was sponsored by the rustacean gang

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Haveno is Java =(

at this point, i'm working on milestone 3 out of 5

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sorry plowsof i don't hear you im under a tunnel

"I assume it works but havent tried it" - can't compile it on linux

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> its nice to see that people still have an interest in the Haveno APP's scene after qtip

Even qtip lootspam still does

how many approvals are needed to go into funding?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thats too awkward to ask about

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thanks though

enough to make it look like it would be funded

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> 'this many'

lol shouldn't it be defined somewhere?

it goes on 'vibez'?

no, numbers arent concrete. You can have 20 upvotes and not get funding

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> how long have you been around for again? welcome to the CCS

its on the proposer to rally support

its also on the proposer to raise the funds

before the idea is approved, there is no contract?

so i can distribute the app before the proposal is approved?

because at this point, it's almost done

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ive not signed anything

yea, you can do whatever you like before it goes to funding

(distribute without source code, I mean)

Has to be foss at time it goes to funding though

Oh, nk

?

it being closed source will nacks on the proposal

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> distirbute closed source haveno app binaries, yes you can do that, but you've bee around for long enough to know how that would be perceived right??

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> or do i have to bank my head on this desk

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> bang

i'm asking because the proposal is not currrently approved

if it was approved, i know the rules

its an easy way to have the proposal closed, and have nobody trust your work

It has to be foss at all stages

Including the idea stage

to garner support, i can put the app in the app store for millions to see the value in it

You can release binaries, but not w/o the source and a proper license

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> close the idea - release closed source binaries - re-open proposal 😆

If its not foss, proposal should be closed

Reopen when you decide to go foss

ok, i can see how that goes

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> haveno is agpl licensed

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> there are vibe coders waiting to poach the code so i understand

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> but do you realise the audible HISSING sound of all the cats reading this when yo usuggest anythig closed source?

again, only asking because it's currently not approved

Yeah. Foss at all stages

Technically supposed to be "permissive", but i think were allowing copyleft

4 stages. Idea, funding, wip, completed

is there any feedback to the proposal?

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> agpl is copyleft so sources have to be distributed with the release

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> agpl is copyleft sources have to be distributed with the release

I mostly get support & silence, so not really aware of why it's not moving forward

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i suppose alot of devs are tuned out of the haveno app scene because of kewbit cloud of drama

Not juat devs

Usually therr are 10s of people commenting on haveno related stuff

Theres like 0 commenting on this proposal

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we're all devs, i decided to promote us all

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thx plowsof

its not a passive environment

Go rally support

do note, no negative comments

there are comments, all positive

<a​remor:matrix.org> Tor connection is lagging

batting 100%

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> hm

on reddit & getmonero.org

so you're saying, if it were not for qtip, it would probably be approved already?

Nah, i'm saying that theres almost no activity on the proposal

No known handles (need to check again] have shown support on the proposal

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> if we do nothing - haveno apps will appear with or without you, the sad truth

i'm replying to "i suppose alot ofdevs are tuned out of the haveno app scene because of kewbit cloud of drama"

And there are still 2 (maybe more) bounties available to be claimed

Yeah. Kewbit brought a lot of support

i know of one, but it's android only (mine is 5 platforms)

His marketing was top notch. his delivery, nkt so much

6 actually

also, it's for an idea of an android node, which is going to have problems getting into app stores

bisq's thin clients are for fdroid

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> app stores be like: YOU WILL USE A KYC COMPANY SERVER FOR YOUR WEB-WRAPPED APP AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY

idk how long people have followed bisq, but it's an incredibly slow moving project

they release an idea, we can expect it 3 years later

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> "I've been writing software for 20 years now. I've independently published to the App Store before and shipped mobile games with large publishers, just to name a few." sadly we can't ask for proof i assume as this would dox you? - and then we have your code contributions - have any devs came forward to recommend you with their seal of approval (as was done for qbit?)

In DMs, yes

I've already doxxed myself

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ah ok, promising that you can prove this. as for dev(s) who can come forward and recommend your skills - that would be the bare minimum for any new dev/contributor on the ccs, some kind of solid referral - this process did not work for qbit though as we got burned

"promising that you can prove this" - which one?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> or to review your previous contributions to the haveno project - who can we ask to provide a dossier about them

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> your work experience outside of monero*

you can ask Woodser about that. I've done several PRs with him.

everything he's gone over has been good

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> is it a centralized pool?

oh, i'll DM my linkedin to whoever

although anyone going through that proposal can find it

plowsof where do you want these items?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thats the problem, the things i mention, proof of work / referral are only the first hurdle, the other stuff, nebulous consensus - known contributors have more weight than people looking at a reddit thread showing a nice project

ok, so that's also desired. anything else?

i can work on that one also

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> s/the first hurdle/a nice to have/

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Not a dealbreaker/maker

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> another benefit would basically be slandering atsamd21's project, perhaps stating why yours is better

who here is going to maintain a c# problem?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> not actually slandering, just saying it like that for comedic effect, but with many options available to the community, there needs to be some kind of 'why your project'

literally cannot be maintained on linux

s/problem/project

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Bro is literally right

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The problem we're avoiding is what happens if it is not successfully funded

correct me if i'm wrong, that just means i don't receive the total amount, right?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> other aspect yes, achieving funding if put up

isnt that only a problem for me?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the c# project is also not seeking funding

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> That depends how you work your proposal. If you have a funding deadline and agree to complete work for less than requested etc.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Some people would abuse this and just abandon the project

that ship has sailed. i'm already on milestone three. so been working without funding for 2 months now.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> How you word* your proposal

to be more clear, if approved, up to milestone three will be shipped without question, mainly because the app isn't very useful without everything defined up to that point.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thank you for attending / responding to the questions , as we're 14 mins over we can open end the meeting here

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> hm ...

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> still wanted to ask something

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the open end is open, any other business?

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> this was the question.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> 4 irc , moment

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20250509#c524442

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> it is a rust wrapper for wallet2.cpp. I am wondering if there is demand for a monero-wallet-rpc replacement based on monero-serai / monero-oxide that is pure rust and not a wrapper for wallet2. Some concern was that the syncing uses a different endpoint from wallet2. I used the cuprate epee parsing crate in github.com/monerochan-ecosystem/monero-wallet-api to adapt the sy<clipped message>

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> ncing to use getblocks.bin as well. The issue is for me, my priority is indexedb / sqlite in ts backend storage of outputs + fetching in typescript as well. I could implement this in rust too so we get a rust only alternative monero-wallet-rpc as a crate / binary. The question is: is there demand for this? Maybe we can add this as an agenda item. So we can see if people want this <clipped message>

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> and if it makes sense for me to spend a bit of extra time on this.

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> I am wondering if there is demand for a monero-wallet-rpc replacement based on monero-serai / monero-oxide that is pure rust and not a wrapper for wallet2. Some concern was that the syncing uses a different endpoint from wallet2. I used the cuprate epee parsing crate in github.com/monerochan-ecosystem/monero-wallet-api to adapt the syncing to use getblocks.bin as well. Th<clipped message>

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> e issue is for me, my priority is indexedb / sqlite in ts backend storage of outputs + fetching in typescript as well. I could implement this in rust too so we get a rust only alternative monero-wallet-rpc as a crate / binary. The question is: is there demand for this? Maybe we can add this as an agenda item. So we can see if people want this and if it makes sense for me to spend <clipped message>

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> a bit of extra time on this.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> edited, no no no

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> :D

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> the first sentence would be out of context lol

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the monerlogs link takes irc to the question

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> perhaps something to share with boog900 / cuprate? if they are going to produce something like this? or plan to?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> or need someone for the job 🫡

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> a chance to get more people tinkering with rust and monero development

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> also happy to contribute it back into the oxide repo if they want :D

"4 irc , moment" - much appreciated

<b​oog900:monero.social> I have heard monero-wallet-rpc can be unstable, so maybe having an alternative will be good. We have no plans for wallets under cuprate at the moment although it might be something we will do in the future

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It was / is buggy, not unstable

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its a lot better now than it was 6 months ago

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> the rpc code is interleaved with the fetching to the daemon. I think there was a PR recently that adressed that a bit

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> People always just worked around the issues instead of fixing them 💢

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> (the concurrency is interleave)

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> (the concurrency is interleaved)

spirobel 1000 xmr proposal to create this, congrats

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> no its on me haha

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It also didnt save wallets when closed, and forced resyncing 💀

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So would make it appear very unresponsive

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And would eat data

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> an end to da meeting, thank you all for attending and providing feedback

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the monerokon irc bridge is working finally , woohoo

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It also missed the top block when restoring, and would force a fast scan from checkpoints

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Oh i thought it was over

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> 0 mins since meeting has been over

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> and the hangup in the beginning when a daemon is set via command line arg

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Thx

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> tz got that unresponsiveness during heavy load on the rpc wallet down

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> its sad that people wont let monero-wallet-rpc die so we can remake it in rust

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 0x fixed the other ones

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> 👍️

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> the gravity of walle2.cpp keeps it alive

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> its like a moon on planet wallet2

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Lmao

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I picture that meme where the guys are in a huddle, and gives the big thumbs up like "good for you"

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i was going to suggest toilet aper on your shoe after leaving the washroom but planet/moon sounds nice

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> 🌚

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.mx/etgXPIBeiXjqKhJeXjRaJuMo

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ^ plowsof responding to my shoutout to 0x

<j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Did Unstoppable ever respond to or acknowledge the CCS proposal?

No

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Disnt you also have an issue on their git

Will close that lol horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android #7864

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> said graph: imgur.fsky.io/a/weAZVij