Reminder: Monero Community Workgroup meeting later today at 16:00 UTC. Agenda: monero-project/meta #1233

<3​21bob321:monero.social> BYO popcorn

<4​rkal:monero.social> Poor little Microsoft can't handle the traffic

is github ok now? repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…-proposals/-/merge_requests/408#why

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> That's the spirit

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Azure broked?

<r​everb3352:matrix.org> Could MoneroOS be setup for network boot and have the config file in tftp? Shouldn't be hard if that's the only network boot device and you have something set to boot on the network. Can build xmrig from source on startup so you just restart computers to update it. Headnode could run p2pool.

<4​rkal:monero.social> For xmrig binaries?

<4​rkal:monero.social> Am I sensing a bit of a personal issue with me here?

<4​rkal:monero.social> Plow am I sensing a bit of a personal issue with me here?

definitely, each of your 2 previous proposals are ideologically flawed, and we have to endure back and forth while you don't adjust much of anything

im sensing a repeat

i left a comment which you may not have seen repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/596#note_30722

for visibility: Rucknium left a comment on gingeroplous' monerosim + hardware upgrade proposal repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/589#note_30729 , thanks for discussing this proposal at MRL meetings. ginger made the curent "CRAPL" code public @ github.com/Fountain5405/monerosim

personal dilemma: what precedent does this set in terms of vibe coding github.com/Fountain5405/monerosim/commits/main we're talking full-send , client side git LLM with emojis in commit titles

<4​rkal:monero.social> Ideologically flawed?

<4​rkal:monero.social> Please do keep in mind that these proposals were made 2 years ago

<4​rkal:monero.social> (except for dmvp2p ig)

<i​fwoera:matrix.org> Get in touch with this platform for greatness you’ll definitely thank me later

<i​fwoera:matrix.org> ℹ️❤️

<i​fwoera:matrix.org> t.me/+zEFPK-AiVFEyZDM0

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> meeting in 37m monero-project/meta #1233

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Meeting time monero-project/meta #1233

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> greetings"

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> hi

<f​reespirit-14:matrix.org> Hello

<m​ichael:monero.social> Hello.

<4​rkal:monero.social> Hello hello

Greets

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> July 10th was the extension for the FCMP++ optimisation competition , looking forward to the results of that

we all know about dero, well xelis is a similar blockchain (w/o the problems) and one of the xelis devs had a submission 💪

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> just a reminder about [proven scam services to avoid](kycnot.me/service/moleswap-xyz#verification) ( moleswap .xyz , zeroslip . finance , crowswap .exchange ) 👍️

Be smart. Use trocador, orangefren, cyphergoat. Or be smarter and use basicswapdex, retoswap, or unstoppableswaps

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> huge thanks for jeffro256 and jberman for organising / judging the competition with kayabanerve providing input

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> pluja from kycnot.me is doing great work trying to vet services to prevent scams from being listed there. another great resource

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> there will be a new release of monero soon too xD

we have a monero update looking to be tagged for monday (0.18.4.1)

Jinx

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> 🙏

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thanks

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> how many releases has tobtoht helped with merges now? doing a great job

master has some nice stuff on it. Also looking forward to the 19.0 release (people should build and test master as well)

monerokon moved their meeting 1 hr earlier so it now happens at the some time as this one

also the same time

i guess monerokon is racist and antisemitic and other things

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> meeting maxxing , thanks , monerotalk too?

monerotalk is 4hrs long, doesnt count

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> any other highlights to bring up not touched on?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> cypherstacks live stream of smart peoples? surae sporting an MRL tshirt :D

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thanks for setting that up Diego Salazar !

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the youtube link youtube.com/watch?v=OxG0PkRojho

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Yeah. Was fun to do.

dont 4get to add your liquidity to basicswap. New market maker update was out a couple weeks ago, further improvements coming shortly

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> This meeting is sponsored by BasicSwapDex

Also can use existing btc node if you one from say, bisq or smthn

Thanks synbird

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> ok then lets get to the ccs ideas

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> a. [Monero Network Simulation Tool](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/589)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> against. because that would help monero and it's bad to help monero

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Rucknium has been bringing this proposal up at MRL meetings (much thanks)

i dont like the AI.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> he has since left a supportive comment here repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/589#note_30729

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> admittedly the code isn't ready to be released but in keeping with ccs rules the work was opened @ github.com/Fountain5405/monerosim/commits/main

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> but uhm yeah

AI usage should be, at the very least, clearly disclosed in proposals

Hackerone is looking to adopt a "must disclose" policy for h1 reports regarding ai. And if takes you 1/10th of the effort to copy and paste barely-functioning slop as to write code, i think that should effect the value (cost) proposition

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I honestly think whats gonna happen is that people are gonna refine their disclosure to not look AI, not disclose it, and continue with the original price. This rule only works with complete idiots

Anyway, i'm a little fed up with the tonnes of AI submissions everywhere

Its hard to refine if you cant write the code lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah, only works on idiots

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> hm

if you can write the code, ai assistance isnt necessarily a bad thing

and if you dont disclose AI but are caught using it, you forfeit your bounty (for h1)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> LLM could in ***theory*** be used to find vulns, doesn't mean the person behind can't be the one writing the exploit

So, its in your best interests to not be a liar

It doesn't ban AI, it penalized wasting peoples time

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> rule only work for unverified llm slop that happens to work (will never happen)

If it doesnt work, theres no reward anyway

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> my point is, this rule will almost never going to be applied because llm will never pull up a working exploit, and people writing the exploit can write code therefore you won't see its ai

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but why not let's add it just in case

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> LLM usage rules can be created.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> but gingers' proposal here, not hacker1 rules D:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> true sorry

Yeah and just bcuz its ginger i dont think special treatment. Its not financially sensitive code (like monero or haveno etc) but the heavy leaning on ai wasnt disclosed

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the source is there, the proposal is up for feedback, it has 4 updoots. i do not support this as it would set a bad precedent sadly. but thats just me.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> perhaps the AI stuff is just playing around and it'll all be refined later and there will be no issues, vibing, learning, refining by hand method

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ginger deserves special treatement (i'm corrupted)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> lets move on to try and cover everyones proposals

nobody except for selsta deserves special treatment (because selsta is the original LLM)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> more seriously, i've no issues with him using llm slop, it will very quick show its limitations

Issues are with funding LLM slop

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 💯.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> b. [hinto-janai full-time development (3 months)](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/591)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Please

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I don't wanna eat raw onions

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> is boog900 ok? no feedback yet

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> merge it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> he is

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> cherry on top for boog900s feedback, lets move on

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> c. [acx Monfluo maintenance and further development 2025Q3](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/592)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> acx has tried to stab me in the bathroom but otherwise i think it's a merge

+1, good wallet, good progress

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> +1

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> d. [Revuo Monero Maintenance (2025 Q3)](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/593)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> don't merge because revuo is an unmitigated success and i'm tired of seeing rottenwheel winning

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> (+1)

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> merge+1,revuo is very useful!

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> e. [vtnerd 2025 Q3 Proposal](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/594)

+1

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> +1

Still need some reviews for his sock5 pr

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> +1

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr im tired

hinto boog900 review 9443 plz

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> f. [Multisig GUI wizard](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/595)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> this PR has gone through at least 4 different small edits and then review restart

<f​reespirit-14:matrix.org> Hello, I proposed this one. Any questions please ask

As great as the title sounds, i think this is not a well thought out as the title sounds

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> hello, thanks for joining

Tob tried this for feather, and concluded "fk this, wait for fcmp"

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> relying on tor for multisig setup is not advised afaict

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> why?

<f​reespirit-14:matrix.org> why?

Spirobel is doing browser wallet with multisig using frost or w/e

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> relying on any anon network for sending messages over da internet? what if its being ddosd

<f​reespirit-14:matrix.org> Already did some elementary prototype -- should work fine

vibe coding multisig is nack by me too

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> then its being ddosd?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> good question

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> will the wizard be byzantine fault proof

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> A question:Do we really need a wallet like this?

<f​reespirit-14:matrix.org> users will have their own onion addresses. If one happens to be ddosd then they can each update the address so long they inform their peers -- but in any case, the use case of this wallet I believe is sound

<f​reespirit-14:matrix.org> For ecommerce, producing multisigs in safe way in your machine for non-techincal people, I think we don't have this yet

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> Uh,yes

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> two letters, infinite pain

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> Uh,yes.So I need to think carefully, should I support it?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> are there any other technologies with a higher CIA (Confidentiality, Integrity, and Availability) score? doesn't bsx use some special thing? if relying on tor is fine, id then wonder about creating a wallet around wallet-rpc, rather than integrating multisig into an existing, more established wallet

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> What does your multi platform mean

Spirobel's browser wallet (frost, TBD), xmrbazaar (live), and haveno (live) all use multisig. Im solid on my "-1, wait for fcmp, browser wallet, frost. And nack vibe coding wallets"

<f​reespirit-14:matrix.org> Linux, macOs, Windows gui

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> Can I use it at the supermarket near my home (Android payment machine)?

<f​reespirit-14:matrix.org> Your comment about "vibe coding" is not fair

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> It's just a question, you must adapt to Android

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> Onion balance is great paired with PoW on HS, almost indestructible, with not much cost, you’d really have to take the whole the tor network down lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> have we seen any open source material from your work freespirit-14

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i just have to take down the 3 rdv points

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> It's just a question, you must adapt to Android.I think

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> that i have access by reading the hs descriptor

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> Requires meticulous config though

<f​reespirit-14:matrix.org> No

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> Well let’s play a game? I’ll spin up a simple hidden service website and you take it down then

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> if vibe coding is a concern, seeing evidence of your skills on a similar project could squash them

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sorry my name isn't DKRP

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i don't have the budget

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> nor the willing

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> syntheticbird use the zeroday to prove him wrong

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> Right

<f​reespirit-14:matrix.org> Understandable, however I don't have any open souce to show for evidence

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> don't talk publicly about it please

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> 0-day and haven’t reported it tor core?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> a caveat to that is - we've had someone open source work which is clearly vibe coded and seemingly its not the end of the world. so theres that :)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> RustyDev im joking :)

trocador and many other services get RIP'd via their onions

They have extra ddos protections as a result. onion pow isnt a panacea and doesnt work when under a real attack

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> this is a joke, everything is ok

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it's not a joke

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm deliberately holding a tor core zeroday

Also, the entire onion network can be ddosed at once. Not specific to targetting a single onion

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i mean im sorry for leaking this* ok sooooo

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> do we need a multisig convenient gui - yes

isnt that what fcmp + frost is for

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> we're digressing a lot today. I BLAME MOSQUITOES

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> credit where credit is due: 2 projects relying on monero-wallet-rpc and multisig have been created by freespirit-14

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we're sorry you had to deal with wallet rpc

<f​reespirit-14:matrix.org> haha well :)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> any more input on this? its open for feedback :)

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> You want a multisig GUI

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> I have some markdown in my notepad for it

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> Rust of course

<f​reespirit-14:matrix.org> One important point -- the first iteration will be built with tor binaries and monero-rpc, so the underlying tech should be very easy to verify and trust

Next

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> indeed, one main advantage

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thanks for attending freespirit-14

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> g. [MoneroOS Resurrection](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/596)

<4​rkal:monero.social> Here to answer any questions etc

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Why not gentoo

Shared in monero-mining and they didnt seem to be in favor

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> /jk

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> What needs to be done where a decent amount of cash is involved

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> I’m hungry

Xmrfans

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr monero-mining is full of some of the most autistic miners you can find. MoneroOS is specifically geared towards beginners

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> Impossible

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i scrolled through r/moneromining for 30 ish seconds and browsed youtube for a bit and foud a few people with cpu mining (monero) farms

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> I can’t develop fans for you

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> Isn't this essentially Linux to go with Xmrig installed?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yes

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> not sure why 4rkal hasnt reached out. at this point we are guessing if the idea is needed and better than whats being done currently?

<4​rkal:monero.social> It's plug and play mining, so yeah kind of

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> synthethicbird you're gonna hate me then ._.

Its not really tuned for beginnera if you still have to install the os (same as installing on any drive), and setup xmrig / p2pool etc

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> To be honest, brother, I can do it myself.

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> To be honest, bro, I can do it myself.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I hardly see who would use moneroOS, because of ratio equipement/expertise but who am i to judge. I don't see any blocker to this proposal, could be cool. +1

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> market mining towards tiktok audience

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> "heyy this is how i earn thousands of dollars a month, it's with this shiny usb stick that when inserted prints infinite money"

<4​rkal:monero.social> That's why there is a webui. Just select type of mining, enter info and start mining, if json is too scary

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> #moneroOS:matrix.org has a matrix room, hi 17lifers (Ryan) , i noticed you joined this room on June29th, how did you hear about it?

Id this is a real idea, should write the project and put it on usb sticks and sell them 🤷‍♂️

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lmao

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Winrar-tier business model

<4​rkal:monero.social> MoneroOS was featured on monerotalk a while back. So might be from there

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> leading the witness your honour

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> You don't plan to develop any other different features: 'Centralized control panel, comprehensive drivers...'

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> You don't plan to develop any other different features: 'Centralized control panel, comprehensive drivers...'?

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> "how did you hear about it" i join whatever room is linked in monero/monero offtopic, and i hunt matrixrooms.info for monero related rooms

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> comprehensive drivers?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what is that supposed to mean?

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> Adapt to core display (just kidding)

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> armv7,=

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> mining optimized kernel!

<4​rkal:monero.social> In the Todo ; )

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> armv7,=plus

<4​rkal:monero.social> Although will probably not make a huge difference

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> good.

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> Kernel optimization is pathetically negligible

<4​rkal:monero.social> Or so I've been told

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> and dont use systemd, its a THICC init system

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> Unless you own a huge botnet

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> It can make mining easier. Design a good GUI

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> surely moneroOS cant get hacked lmao

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm very afraid to inform you that you do not know the consequences of such goal

next

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> phishers love any excuse

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thanks for the feedback and for attending 4rkal

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> Have a cup of tea please plowsof

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> 1 more proposal to cover

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> h. [[hbs] EVM Atomic Swaps](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/597)

<h​bs:matrix.org> Hi all, I'm available for questions, please tag me as I am following two meetings in parallel

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> hello.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> +1

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> donate.magicgrants.org/monero/projects/eth_xmr_atomic_swaps

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> +1

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> +1

<r​ucknium:monero.social> hbs - moneronoob: Have you investigated getting funding from an EVM community?

<r​ucknium:monero.social> EVM<>XMR atomic swaps have had three funding infusions from the Monero community so far: Original bounties.monero.social, CCS, and MAGIC Monero Fund.

<h​bs:matrix.org> Nope didn't seek that. But ajs sought funding from EthPrague IIRC for working on ETH-XMR atomic swaps during last year's MK hackathon, but that was ultimately rejected

hm yeah. between solana, eth, and memecoiners, ethprague connects etc, can probably get some funding from there

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> yes

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> Great remark, because you got a phat chance of nothing from getting funding from Luigi’s pot of gold

<r​ucknium:monero.social> And how can this integrate with BasicSwap?

why did they reject?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> if any python devs would like to look at the repo, that would be great , quick start codeberg.org/moneroswap/moneroswap/…/main/python/moneroswap/__init__.py

<h​bs:matrix.org> I don't think they shared any details

<r​ucknium:monero.social> It looks like you developed a new EVM contract. How do we know that it is completely atomic? How does the new protocol affect privacy, if at all?

<h​bs:matrix.org> The protocol is identical to that used by noot.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> im gonna ask the stupid question but what change exactly are needed for not using noot's one directly?

too bad hbs's monerokon talk has not been released yet

<h​bs:matrix.org> Noot's approach requires that you run a daemon locally, this is a huge roadblock to adoption. The rewrite I did has everything managed by the smart contract, so only need a light client (Python CLI for now, GUI is what this proposal is about) to interact with it.

<h​bs:matrix.org> The version of the talk I gave at EthCC is available on YT, link is in the proposal.

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> good.

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> +1

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> sorry.

<h​bs:matrix.org> Regarding privacy, anything touching an EVM blockchain will have things exposed, so privacy is not very good unless you add measures like privacypools for example.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> have you used svelte.dev/docs/kit/introduction or anything similar before hbs?

<r​ucknium:monero.social> I am wondering about how you eliminated the need for a daemon. Are the offers on-chain?

<r​ucknium:monero.social> I mean, posting an offer that appears on the blockchain

<h​bs:matrix.org> Yes, I've used Svelte+SvelteKit before, not on projects I can share unfortunately.

<h​bs:matrix.org> Yes, offers are on-chain.

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> How much $

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> I thought for a moment, and if it were me, I would prefer this proposal (over noot), em,+1

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> just glance at the function names and the seemingly needless comments under them :D

<r​ucknium:monero.social> That was what I was getting at: privacy is a little worse, on-chain, because offers are posted there. Not all offers will be taken. Of course, an adversary could run the daemon and see offers live, but that data is ephemeral.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> im not a python dev though

<h​bs:matrix.org> True, for offers which were posted but never taken in noot's proposal there is slightly more privacy.

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> Your focusing on the solving problems that don’t exist

<r​ucknium:monero.social> How does this proposal overlap/complement/substitute spirobel's Monero browser wallet?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i forgot to note that the proposal was changed recently hbs (milestones changed + significant price reduction)

<h​bs:matrix.org> Yes, I removed some work which I ended up considering either not useful to add to the web app or too early given the yet lack of adoption.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Note this paper which discusses privacy risks in atomic swaps: moneroresearch.info/270 Kopyciok, Y., Victor, F., & Schmid, S. 2025. Moneros Decentralized P2P Exchanges: Functionality, Adoption, and Privacy Risks.

<h​bs:matrix.org> The Monero side of the atomic swaps simply relies on the use of an existing wallet software. I guess if a browser Monero wallet exists it could be integrated in the GUI. Though I am not sure it would add that much value.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Ah, ok. The MetaMask compatibility may have been removed in the latest revision.

<h​bs:matrix.org> You mean the latest revision of the proposal?

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Yes.

<h​bs:matrix.org> No it's still relying on an EIP-1193 wallet for handling the interactions with the smart contract, that covers Metamask.

<h​bs:matrix.org> Libraries handling the communication with EIP-1193 wallets may support other wallets than Metamask. Unfortunately some EIP-1193 wallet solutions require registration with a central entity which goes against the sought after ethos

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Thanks for answering questions. I think you should consider looking for funding from an EVM community before going to the CCS. The previous application from MoneroKon was a different proposal. More of a Hackathon IIRC. You have a specific plan and good progress made toward the goal. And the BCH<>XMR atomic swaps was part funded by BCH and XMR. XMR was provided for the proof-of-con<clipped message>

<r​ucknium:monero.social> cept and BCH provided for the production-ready implementation.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the ECC talk is here youtube.com/watch?v=HkzqwAKx77k

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thanks for joining hbs and answering the quick fire questions in detail

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thanks everyone for attending, apologies for going over. any further feedback on this proposal?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> or anything else to discuss

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> em,weblate?

<r​ucknium:monero.social> I made a new webapp that gathers and displays data about all reachable node on the Monero network, including suspected spy nodes: moneronet.info

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> now that we've accepted it never coming back because of db corruption. we must start from scratch. and by scratch i mean what exists currently on monero-site git repo - pushed to weblate and set up, i did do this once before, but at this time, it was still presumed that the existing database would be fixed so i lost interest (and ofc the new site group where leaning toward getting<clipped message>

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> rid of all translations and starting from scratch, but, we have no new site, and the existing one is still functional)

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> Uh,ok.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> look at this monstrosity when you take the existing translations we have now, and put them through the latest versions of po4a / and correct some issues monero-project/monero-site #2449

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> alot of translations where added and simply not applied.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> oh Rucknium, you've added some new graphs, nice

the AS treemap

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> Doesn’t load when connected to anonymously for me

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Loads here

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> also monero-project/monero-site #2485. I will complete this PR within the next four weeks, and someone will need to review it. I am currently looking for someone who can speak both English and Chinese.

<p​yxmr2025:mozilla.org> The current candidate list only includes the administrator (founder) of C3Pool

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> Yeah I have a bit of a funky OpSec setup, I’ll blame that getting it firewalled or something

<r​ucknium:monero.social> You must have JavaScript enabled to view it. The system I'm using needs JS

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Sorry :(

<r​ucknium:monero.social> It doesn't make any external calls, however.

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> Yes

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> It doesn’t use Websocket?

<r​ucknium:monero.social> i.e. to JS on another server

<r​ucknium:monero.social> I think in this mode it uses JS Websocket

<r​ucknium:monero.social> But you can run it locally if you desire!

what image site would you prefer me to upload some screenshots to rustydev?

<r​ucknium:monero.social> You need the data. I am setting up an API so you can get the data, too. Or just run your own network crawler, which is included in the open source code

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> I did something similar with dragonfly (redid on steroids) and rust which gets statistics for zcash, haveno and Monero and does some cool animations when you touch the nodes

<r​ucknium:monero.social> And I plan to set up an onion hidden service. Just need to "mine" the vanity address.

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> I did something similar with dragonfly (redis on steroids) and rust which gets statistics for zcash, haveno and Monero and does some cool animations when you touch the nodes, served as Websocket events in real-time

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> What’s it written in? I was looking at levin at first

<r​ucknium:monero.social> In local mode, I think it uses ordinary web sockets, but the developers found that JS websockets were better for potentially unstable connections when run on a public-facing website

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> I can get you 11 character vanity address within a few days

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> dropping an open end to the meeting here

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> Awes

<r​ucknium:monero.social> The web crawler is written in Rust, based on cuprate technology. boog900 wrote most of the crawler. Then I added some better data collection features to it.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Allowing someone else to generate a vanity address for you is a security/privacy risk.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> But thanks for the offer anyway :)

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> Oooo, I thinkI should show you something later on a test net if you have one btw

<r​ucknium:monero.social> I'm not running a local testnet at the moment.

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> I think there is a way of doing it mathematically

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> Let me think

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> I have pondered this before

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> Not in the exact context

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Here is the websocket info. It looks like it tries websocket first, but has 8 different fallback protocols: docs.posit.co/shiny-server/#specifying-protocols

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> im not ready for a happy motivated kewbit to talk at length for hours , i need more tea

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> Haha

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> I’ve evolved sir

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> I’m RustyDev now

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> make a new ccs proposal, vibe coding and no evidence of prev works seems ok

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> But thank you for the linguistic fingerprinting evaluation

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> Or is it the metadata from matrix you’re salvaging from users 😆

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> why would you reveal this in public, thats mean

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> I actually need to get AI to generate me a new Pokémon

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> I think it’s gotten better at it

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> something for the summer? up beat? nimble? high energy? or are we more of a calm, zen state?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> you've been lucid dreaming havent you? i can sense you've reached a higher level of being

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> I have experienced some significant events that have pivoted me

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> But we would have to talk about that over a cup of tea lad

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> +1

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> don't merge because revuo is an unmitigated success and i'm tired of seeing rottenwheel winning

lol kitty cat...

<1​7lifers:matrix.org> murrp

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> sometimes i think maybe a wiki style site would solve this issue

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> reddit.com/user/nstratz

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> bot account shilling qubic

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> hbs >The Monero side of the atomic swaps simply relies on the use of an existing wallet software. I guess if a browser Monero wallet exists it could be integrated in the GUI.

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> the other way round. we can integrate the gui into the browser wallet. for eth there is web3.js the design space for xmr3.js is still open. on the plate is currently things like: create a view only wallet to be shared with self hosted payment links tool, create multisig wallet, propose multisig transactions

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> would make sense to add a "participate in atomic swap" snippet. (or building blocks to participate in the phases / paths of the protocol so there is some flexibility for frontend implementations)

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> maybe i should write some document about this to make it more formal and we can make it more participatory. But I want to finish parts of the implementation first.

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> anyway this should not distract from this effort work on this is probably valuable in any case

<h​bs:matrix.org> The way the atomic swaps work it would require the equivalent of 'generate_from_keys' to be available in the browser wallet

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> it is certainly doable. it is a matter of specing it out clearly and thinking carefully about the trust boundaries. And communicating those clearly to the user

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> on the general topic of atomic swaps: never understood the fud against atomic swaps. sure it does not solve everything, order matching is still something that needs to be solved. it makes sense to put effort into making it better

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> does not take anything away from other approaches to create uncensorable liquidity. maybe people had the expectation that atomic swaps by itself are the silver bullet when in reality they are maybe useful only as a piece of a system that has other parts like order matching etc.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Order matching is in the works on bsx

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If your offers crossover with other ppls offers, you will take their offers

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Then post a new offer for the difference

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The feature technically already exists, but i need to test it more thoroughly and tweak it

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> Nah

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> It’s a liquidity problem

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> Just not enough trades on offer for you

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> What

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No, the problem is the work was implemented quickly and i have not tested to see it it works as intended, so its disabled in the default GUI atm

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> Rucknium: did you ever make anything like this for monero vasturiano.github.io/3d-force-graph/example/bloom-effect

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> Node/edge streaming

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> Gradient colour based on throughput per IP across the edges, i wonder how feasible it would be to monitor as part of the cuprate node without destroying what would probably have to be a central-ish server to aggregate the stats properly

<r​ustydev:matrix.org> At the very least it would look cool 😆