<monerobull:matrix.org> plowsof: maybe you know something about this, im trying to build the onion monero explorer but it fails, chatgpt says i should do git checkout monero version 17.x to make it work. does that sound right?

<rbrunner7> Nope

bad chatgpt

<monerobull:matrix.org> hm what do i do then

whats the error

the error is asking chatgpt

checkout the devel branch of the onion explorer , and that you have built the master branch of monero github.com/moneroexamples/onion-monero-blockchain-explorer/tree/devel

github.com/moneroexamples/onion-mon…b=readme-ov-file#development-branch

<monerobull:matrix.org> 63%] Building CXX object src/CMakeFiles/myxrm.dir/MicroCore.cpp.o

<monerobull:matrix.org> /home/monerobull/onion-monero-blockchain-explorer/src/MicroCore.cpp: In constructor ‘xmreg::MicroCore::MicroCore()’:

<monerobull:matrix.org> /home/monerobull/onion-monero-blockchain-explorer/src/MicroCore.cpp:23:9: error: ‘cryptonote::tx_memory_pool::tx_memory_pool(cryptonote::Blockchain&)’ is private within this context

<monerobull:matrix.org> 23 | m_mempool(m_blockchain_storage),

<monerobull:matrix.org> | ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/-r3ClLQKQXBCOFg0 ]

it does fall out of sync with master sometimes, im not sure if it actually builds currently, but i have hope

build on devel branch with master - should be no errors

<monerobull:matrix.org> thanks for the help guys

<ct:xmr.mx> ai is the new 1st level tech support

chatgpt if you are ready to apologise the rest of the class would like to hear it

<monerobull:matrix.org> i told it to fuck off and gave the new insights to grok instaed

ct i read some advice on how people get helped - you post your question , then you prompt AI to provide an obviously incorrect answer as a comment - this angers someone who then provides the answer when they would have otherwise ignored it

<monerobull:matrix.org> the suggstion of "just use monero .17 lmao" was so sus, even i realized it cant be correct

<ct:xmr.mx> I've made good progress with the. "Teach me how to" prompts rather then the "do the work for me" prompts

<monerobull:matrix.org> i will literally have it re-generate the entire step by step every time there is a slight issue

<monerobull:matrix.org> so grok got to [ 95%] Building CXX object CMakeFiles/xmrblocks.dir/main.cpp.o before failing

<monerobull:matrix.org> thats progress

<monerobull:matrix.org> grok said

<monerobull:matrix.org> To resolve the compilation errors related to Boost serialization for tools::wallet2::unsigned_tx_set and tools::wallet2::signed_tx_set, these types lack member serialize functions (they use Monero's epee serialization system instead of Boost by default). The explorer code in src/page.h is attempting to deserialize them via a B [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/2JiflbQKOGNISEQy ]

<monerobull:matrix.org> Add the following code to enable non-intrusive Boost serialization for these types. Create a new file src/serialization_fix.h in the explorer directory with this content:

<monerobull:matrix.org> im just going to follow what it says and see where it takes me

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @ct:xmr.mx: Thats my name

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> To build the "master" branch of onion explorer, use the release tag of monero git checkout v0.18.4.2 && make -j4

<sneedlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> and the onion-explorer expects the monero build be in single build dir afaik

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> USE_SINGLE_BUILDDIR=1 make -j4 iirc

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Thanks needle

<sneedlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> yes, built it myself recently and struggled a bit too until I figured everything out

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Shoulda asked chatgpt /s

<monerobull:matrix.org> thanks guys

<monerobull:matrix.org> i gave grok what you said and it worked after a bit more troubleshooting

<monerobull:matrix.org> unlike chatgpt, grok actually goes and looks for solutions directly in the code

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> why do u need grok

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The instructiona are like 2msgs above

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Could have just gave terminal what we said 🙃

<syntheticbird> bro forgot to turn on thinking mode

<syntheticbird> sorry that's mean

vibe brain

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> And grok/you dont need to read the code, reading the readme is enough

<monerobull:matrix.org> btw running it worked but not setting it as a service

<monerobull:matrix.org> so i am working on that rn

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> As a systemd service?

monerobull have you tried the docker instructions?

<monerobull:matrix.org> No

<monerobull:matrix.org> I wanted to try as a normal service since that's how monerod rubs

<monerobull:matrix.org> Runs

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> mrelay.p2pool.observer/p/94jPl7QKdFV1TDZN/1.txt (code snippet, 15 lines)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> somethimg like that

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Disclaimer: i dont use systemd, this is a wild guess

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I use cron

<monerobull:matrix.org> great, monerod is fucked

<monerobull:matrix.org> this is what i get

<monerobull:matrix.org> ill just keep using xmrchain.net

<monerobull:matrix.org> ffs

<monerobull:matrix.org> fucking finally

<monerobull:matrix.org> the issue was that i asked the llm if there are any other configs i might want in my service file

<monerobull:matrix.org> and it set the blockchain dir to read-only

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> How? Lol > <@monerobull:matrix.org> great, monerod is fucked

<monerobull:matrix.org> permissions stuff

<monerobull:matrix.org> i get the weirdest fucking errors here

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Ran it as a different user?

<monerobull:matrix.org> i get a positive curl on the machine itself but now i cant access it from my pc for some reason

<monerobull:matrix.org> its not the firewall

here's the issue

> 17:58:57 <br-m> <monerobull:matrix.org> the issue was that i asked the llm

that's the issue

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> port?

can anyone link a good video explaining how mining monero helps the community?

<monerobull:matrix.org> 8081

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 8081? Or 18081?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> exponens: Probably a lot of videos about how POW mining helps secure the network

POW?

<monerobull:matrix.org> The explorer is supposed to run on 8081

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Oh, youre talking about curl'ing the explorer?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> You can run it on whatever port you want, fwiw

<monerobull:matrix.org> not just curling, access in general

<monerobull:matrix.org> its probably somethign in the config file again

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> which config file?

<monerobull:matrix.org> the service file

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I run xmrblocks like .. ./xmrblocks -p 9955 -d 127.0.0.1:18081 -b ../../stressnet/stressnet2/lmdb/

<monerobull:matrix.org> yeah i tried so many things i didnt notice i copied a ip restriction into the service file

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @monerobull:matrix.org: Run it w/o the service file to see if it works

<monerobull:matrix.org> alright

<monerobull:matrix.org> congrats, it works

does anyone out there mine XMR for the money? Or is it all support-the-community driven? Just curious

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> the xmr you get from mining is worth money

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> how much its worth, depends on how much you sell it for

maybe it's just me, but it doesn't seem very profitable (in terms of electricity cost)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: ^

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its definetly not profitable if you sell it for less than it costs you to mine it

Well you can only really sell it for the market price, right?

Or am I wrong in that

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> If it costs you $1000 per year to raise chickens, are you going to sell those chickens for $700?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its obviously not profitable if you choose to sell them for $700

Oh, are you implying one could hold the monero until it's worth more to make a profit?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> exponens: You're wrong. You can sell at whatever price you want. Its called a limit order

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> exponens: yes, and that you can set your sell price however you like

But who would buy chickens for $1100 if someone is already selling them for $700?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> someone who doesnt want to KYC, or someone who wants to be able to take custody of their chickens

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> You can buy xmr for 270 on kraken right now, but you cant withdraw it

that's interesting

so there are different types of markets which sell xmr at different prices?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> if everyone sells at 1100, people would stop selling at 700

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> exponens: Yes. Haveno / retoswap can be like 5-10% above kraken

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Basicswap about 1-10% above

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> xmrbazaar ~5% above

because no KYC, and (this is crazy) the ability to withdraw it?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Because the orice you see on kraken is fake / unreal

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> If you go to kraken and want to buy 1xmr using cash, its nkt $270

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its $270 + fees

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> If you want to sell for cash, you dont get $270. You get $270 - fees

ok but what about my original question 😅

do people do it for the money?

or mainly for helping the community

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> so why should someone on havenoreto sell for $270, if the cheapest you can actually get from kraken is like $280?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> exponens: Of course

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> the xmr i mined at $130 is now worth $270

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> (at least)

that's investing/trading though

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> People dont mine xmr as a get-rich-quick scheme/ because thats unreasonable

Well I guess that is for the money

they do it with pools, right?

I mine at a "loss" but I get heat which offsets that plus Cat enjoys laying on the mining rigs = priceless :)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Most hashrate uses pools, yeah

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Nioc, that doesnt sound like a loss to me

I don't mine in the summer

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Sounds like youre purchasing a catwarmer and peace

yes hence the ""

nioc: what do you mine with? a home PC?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i mine with a home pc

a few

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> fiatdemise recently posted a nice lil minisforum pc that runs about $600 and gets 19kh

I have an old minisforum at home :o

maybe I'll set it up over the weekend

AMD cpus are better because they have more L3 cache

takes a while to accrue much mining with 1 comp

Well I'm not really using the minisforum at all right now

or even a few

I bet it'll do at least something over a year

yep

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Look at you electricity costs. If youre spending $50/mth in electricity, dont expect to accumulate more than $50 in xmr

It's running anyways as a tailscale exit node for my vpn

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Obv it depends on your local electicity rates, and the efficiency of your rig, but typically you shouldnt expect to make $500 by spending $50

<sneedlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> got an old laptop to play around with

<sneedlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> checks xmrig.com/benchmark

<sneedlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> CPU is in the top 20 ... of lowest hash rates listed on that site lol

should be listed as HR/watt

<monerobull:matrix.org> Lmao is monerica compromised or why the hell would his article about P2P monero trading first not mention haveno at all and after being called out, naming a dead network?

<monerobull:matrix.org> Update: I think they just haven't had much to do with haveno and the whole thing can be pretty confusing at first

<ofrnxmr> @monerobull:matrix.org: They shilled "coinwallet" when sponsored

<ofrnxmr> Not much integrity from them if im bring frank

<ofrnxmr> Being

<ofrnxmr> Coinwallet ships changelly and is a sorry excuse for a wallet, that skims funds

<monerobull:matrix.org> Coinwallet might literally be run ny changelly

<ofrnxmr> Yes

<ofrnxmr> wouldnt surprise me

<freddypa:matrix.org> It is not profitable for 90% > <exponens> maybe it's just me, but it doesn't seem very profitable (in terms of electricity cost)

<freddypa:matrix.org> How do you cool down your pc because I have a laptop and I need a way to cool it down? > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i mine with a home pc

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Lower voltage a bit = 10* degree drop

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @freddypa:matrix.org: 10*

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 10%*

<freddypa:matrix.org> fr?

<freddypa:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: i havo pay 0.6€ per KW/H

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Some people (bots) pay nothing

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 0.6€ is incredibly expensive 🤣

<freddypa:matrix.org> Yes

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I probably pay more like 0.1

<freddypa:matrix.org> or no

<freddypa:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: May I ask where you live?

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> netherlands? > <@freddypa:matrix.org> i havo pay 0.6€ per KW/H

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> North america, on weekdays

<freddypa:matrix.org> @17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh: Germany

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> ha i was close

<freddypa:matrix.org> But my parents pay the bill so yesss > <@freddypa:matrix.org> i havo pay 0.6€ per KW/H

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> based

<freddypa:matrix.org> Huh? What does based mean?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> You mean to tell me that, it costs 1000€ to mine 1xmr, but yall sell for 230€??

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> you live in best conditions xd

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> based means u agree

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> do yall not do math in europe? 😳

<freddypa:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Where can I get more?

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> we outsource it to ofrnai

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> No wonder it got delisted in europe

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> yall selling for a 75% loss is irresponsible

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @freddypa:matrix.org: You post your xmr for sale at the cost of mining it

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Anywhere. Stop selling it for a 75% loss. yall crayzee

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> no you become a pirate and steal everyones cpus

how do you calculate the kWH per XMR?

is it dependant on the setup?

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> 5500u = 25w

<freddypa:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: If I get monero (i dont have xmr) I am gonna keep it all because it is gonna be the only way (exept cash) I can pay

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> <3

br-m: what is `u` in that formula?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh: And sell for 75% less than the power consumption? Crazy

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> lmao

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Even a stolen xbox is worth at least half of a used one

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 75% discount is blasphemy

<ct:xmr.mx> Jesus Christ bro get you parents to switch to a cheaper contract. 0.3-0.4 should be easily possible > <@freddypa:matrix.org> i havo pay 0.6€ per KW/H

<freddypa:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Tell me where i can sell it for 1000$?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Retoswap, xmrbazaar

<freddypa:matrix.org> @ct:xmr.mx: Huh not in Germany

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Some cex if its still available

<ct:xmr.mx> yes in germany

wait so 1 monero takes ~1600kWH to mine?

<freddypa:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: I am a programmer. You have a job for me where you can pay me in xmr? <3

<ct:xmr.mx> Google stromanbieter vergleich

<ct:xmr.mx> might be regionally different within germany

<ct:xmr.mx> They ask for plz

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> exponens: depEnds on your hashrate per watt

<freddypa:matrix.org> @ct:xmr.mx: Ich schaue es mir mal an, aber danke

<freddypa:matrix.org> ohhh 30,88€ > <@ct:xmr.mx> yes in germany

<freddypa:matrix.org> Danke

<freddypa:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx ? T-T > <@freddypa:matrix.org> I am a programmer. You have a job for me where you can pay me in xmr? <3

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> T-T?

<freddypa:matrix.org> It is a crying emoji

<ct:xmr.mx> prices usually stay this good only for years. Sometimes companies raise it by a few cents after, sometimes they add insane markups (but still cheaper then what you currently have). > <@freddypa:matrix.org> ohhh 30,88€

<ct:xmr.mx> But a reminder in you calendar to switch to a different contract in time before it auto renews for maximum savings

<xmrfam:matrix.org> ;_;

<freddypa:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: So you have a small job for me?

<ofrnxmr> What sort of programmer are you? Link to previous works?

<ct:xmr.mx> @freddypa:matrix.org: You can put up an offer on moneromarket but be aware that Monero people are nerds and can program simple stuff themselfs and AI greatly expended what the average person can do. So high competition and low demand

<ct:xmr.mx> ofrn is just a dude, not a CEO who hires people lmao

<ofrnxmr> Don't misgender me 💢 😁

<ct:xmr.mx> dude is gender neutral

<ofrnxmr> I'm not gender neutral

<ofrnxmr> @ct:xmr.mx: Not yet*

<freddypa:matrix.org> github.com/Freddy-FT/BookStoreApp I just started it > <@ofrnxmr> What sort of programmer are you? Link to previous works?

<freddypa:matrix.org> @ct:xmr.mx: T-T I just want xmr

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> xmrig.exe -o pool.hashvault.pro:443 -u xmraddr/xmrsubaddr

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> easy

<freddypa:matrix.org> @17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh: Ryzen 5

<freddypa:matrix.org> I already mined 20h

<freddypa:matrix.org> and my laptop sounds like a jet

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> expected

<freddypa:matrix.org> @17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh: I joined fairhash and made exactly 0.0000 xmr

<17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> ._.

<freddypa:matrix.org> ; - ;

<freddypa:matrix.org> @17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh: Do you have any other ideas?