<tomdooley:matrix.org> do you think you can just go into an AI and say create a p2pool mining app? thats not how it works. you are downplaying all of the work and years I spent learning how to use Monero. To call this a 'vibe coded' app is a simple type of retardation, and i dont accept it > <sech1> AI slop vibe coded app now asks for 1 year financing through CCS? Daamn, the audacity... or stupidity...

<tomdooley:matrix.org> > <sech1> AI slop vibe coded app now asks for 1 year financing through CCS? Daamn, the audacity... or stupidity...

<tomdooley:matrix.org> its a small amount for the amount of work that has and will go into it and the effect it can have. I've put so much of my time and effort into Monero, and I dont half-ass. If you dont see the importance of trying to get all these umbrel systems hashing, and what that can do for adoption, or you just dont want that to happen to [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/monRquQKdk5vMDM0 ]

<tomdooley:matrix.org> its so much easier, how can you guys not see that its easier to click install in an app store, than it is to: > <@user2570:unredacted.org> It is not, it can be simple only if you already have an umbrel server. Currently, manual editing of Umbrel monero node docker compose file is needed.

<tomdooley:matrix.org> go to a website

<tomdooley:matrix.org> download the file

<tomdooley:matrix.org> extract, install it

<tomdooley:matrix.org> connect it manually to your node (or use a remote node auto). superbrain connects to your local umbrel monero node automatically, theres a script that grabs the rpc password and brings it on, so the user doesnt have to do any of that.[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/i5b6quQKZTVyOGtr ]

<tomdooley:matrix.org> its expanding monero mining to a whole new market that it currently does not exist in.

<ofrnxmr> what's the hashrate of the umbrel

tomdooley "do you think you can just go into an AI and say create a p2pool mining app? thats not how it works. you are downplaying all of the work and years I spent learning how to use Monero" bruh...

Your "all the work" is a few days of trying different prompts at best

If you spent more than that, you're not that good even at prompting AI

"I've put so much of my time and effort into Monero, and I dont half-ass" I've put 4+ years into p2pool development and 9 years in total into Monero but I don't ask for CCS money "just because"

<tomdooley:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr: people run umbrel on all different types of systems and the ones that they sell are getting more powerful, check the 'Umbrel Pro'

tomdooley without the slop all you have is appeals to emotion. whats next? a smear campaign? x.com/MgkMshrmBrkfst/status/2020378417120567336

imo you have failed the interview process already before you shared your proposal

<tomdooley:matrix.org> sech1: you cant prove that because you are wrong, i've been trying to do this for a long this, many attempts at different setups.

1. you shared this garbage in monero research lab libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20260204#c654279

2. you where directed to the appropriate rooms with DIRECT links

3. you appear days later in MONERO DEV and have no idea the room you where directly linked to exists

thats all i need to see

screenshot this and tell people "i was told to fuck off and make a kuno"

<tomdooley:matrix.org> so i made an app, that people are using right now to mine p2pool and it working great, and they are enjoying it, getting payouts, using p2pool for the first time, and you call it garbage? whats wrong with you people, is this the fucking high and mighty gatekeeper group? > <plowsof> 1. you shared this garbage in monero research lab libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20260204#c654279

fuck off and make a kuno

👋

kuno.anne.media good luck!

<tomdooley:matrix.org> who are you?

<syntheticbird> as far as you are concerned, plowsof is god

<321bob321> We are all plowsof

<tomdooley:matrix.org> sounds more like a normal asshole, god would be more impressive

<tomdooley:matrix.org> whats the point of CCS?

<tomdooley:matrix.org> i thought it was open for work outside of the Monero codebase as well

<tomdooley:matrix.org> @syntheticbird: should change his name to getsplowed

run along with your smear campaign and pivot into a more open funding platform

<tomdooley:matrix.org> how about you answer questions

<tomdooley:matrix.org> why is this project not applicable to CCS?

because you are involved with it

<tomdooley:matrix.org> how are you involved with CCS?

All AI generated content is slop until proven otherwise. Ask Daniel Stenberg (lead curl maintainer) for details: daniel.haxx.se/blog/2026/01/26/the-end-of-the-curl-bug-bounty

And I see exactly the same pattern here. Low effort vibe coded app to milk money from the community\

<syntheticbird> plowsof is the CCS coordinator responsible for organizing CCS meeting and verify the applicability of CCS proposals

you tell me. you have dedicated yourself to Monero for 4+ years. we have surely crossed paths

<syntheticbird> aka god

<tomdooley:matrix.org> ive heard about ccs, never used it

there is only 1 god 👆 🐱

<321bob321> Allah

<321bob321> Or morgan freeman

<tomdooley:matrix.org> sech1: this is not AI generated content, its pre-existing software packaged in a new format specification for UmbrelOS

<syntheticbird> @321bob321: epic

now you're straight up lying

the code in your repo is AI generated

<syntheticbird> be careful there, you're writing since some minutes, token's aren't cheap

can you generate a navy seals copy pasta proving sech1 is wrong about my repo

<syntheticbird> >"navy seals copy pasta"

<syntheticbird> r/brandnewsentence

guys i went to share my groundbreaking project and the alleged ccs coordinator was sharing memes like a child reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/112tiik/im_a_navy_seal

<tomdooley:matrix.org> I developed the code locally on my umbrel server to package the dockers and source builds, I had never used git before and i used different AI systems like cursor, antigravity and claude to help me debug, refactor, and get it through to github while teaching me how to do it and format the dashboard in ways that would take me y [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/8vuHseQKdWJxLVVY ]

I'm out of this converstation, no point to continue. Everyone seems to stick to their own opinion here

"should i just not do anything?" <- learn first, gain experience, and don't try to get paid for the code that you don't yourself understand and can't maintain. If you didn't start the CCS, the attitude here would've been different.

<tomdooley:matrix.org> sorry but i do understand, i designed every piece of that app with tact and cunning

<tomdooley:matrix.org> and its not just about code, its about community, outreach and expansion, that is definitely my strong suit here.

<tomdooley:matrix.org> do you not think the community art themes are fun? a good way to get people engaged and stay interested?

<tomdooley:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/fpIcFbGxJIbqqSpOAaaJmmna.png (image.png)

<tomdooley:matrix.org> i've been showing up every day since and would like to ask that you consider my effort and talent in a positive and deserving light.

<syntheticbird> As sech1 highlighted, the reaction you are seeing here is because you are asking money from the community for a project that you have built that you are in no full capacity of maintaining without the help of AI tools. We're not looking down on people that are using "every tools", if you just have said that you were a beginner, [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/zuGwseQKb2NRVEJJ ]

<syntheticbird> Sorry, not sorry, your proposal will be rejected

<tomdooley:matrix.org> sech1: so i got it up and running from scratch, and for some reason you think 'i cant maintain it'. where is the logic in that?> i though you were the smart guy around here lol

<syntheticbird> @tomdooley:matrix.org: bro you aren't special, just because your eyes pictured the code your LLM generated doesn't mean you understand it or can maintain it

If claud or chatgpt or whatever you used change their tos and ban all crypto use, what will you do then? Use open-source models which are 2 generations behind and can't handle the code? Serious question

<tomdooley:matrix.org> @syntheticbird: its $350 a week.

<syntheticbird> @tomdooley:matrix.org: you'll notate the logical AND in my sentence

<tomdooley:matrix.org> sech1: i get what you are saying, but for a serious answer, open source models are not far behind, qwen3 coder next and kimi k2.5 are some of the most used opensource models on openrouter

I have qwen3 coder next installed on my main PC, and it's not THAT good

<syntheticbird> fuck your IRC

<syntheticbird> get my edits

<tomdooley:matrix.org> why are you using AI, thats it, your banned!

I only trust it with code reviews, and 80% of its output is garbage or false reports

<tomdooley:matrix.org> i havent used it but im keeping up with it

<tomdooley:matrix.org> part of the plan was to bring on contributors

<tomdooley:matrix.org> its in the proposal

<tomdooley:matrix.org> i just wanted to get it out there and show that it would be good for p2pool, if we could get it polished enough for the offical umbrel app store, and market out to the whoel community of bitcoiners and self-hosters that they could mine, i think it would be a hit

<syntheticbird> why is it that every monero integration proposal into easy self-hosting platform have to be garbage code

<tomdooley:matrix.org> because the world is not perfect like you

<syntheticbird> you know, if you didn't used AI, you could have asked for more > <@tomdooley:matrix.org> its $350 a week.

<syntheticbird> and people would have probably accepted

<tomdooley:matrix.org> if i diddnt use AI, people would not be mining on their umbrels right now getting payouts from p2pool

<syntheticbird> is the choice of word correct here?

<321bob321> Did you check what ai told you?

<syntheticbird> you claim there are people already using your brand new project?

<321bob321> Or blind trust it

<tomdooley:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/IKtoLQiawMLnUNqFpzFPokFw.png (Screenshot 2026-02-08 at 2.07.50 AM.png)

<tomdooley:matrix.org> or maybe hes just an AI bot??

<tomdooley:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/RWRJzHuYlJTOAHXAHpFoXGFM.mov (Screen Recording 2026-02-08 at 2.08.46 AM.mov)

<tomdooley:matrix.org> this is my Superbrain group where i'm helping the beta testers and artists are developing themes. we are working together.

<tomdooley:matrix.org> hes inspired and building now, its a great idea for a feature that can be added into superbrain > <@tomdooley:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/IKtoLQiawMLnUNqFpzFPokFw.png (Screenshot 2026-02-08 at 2.07.50 AM.png)

<tomdooley:matrix.org> that why i need to dispel the myth that this is just 'ai slop code vibe', this is real work, and im doing it all day

<tomdooley:matrix.org> anyways, you guys are over it, have a good night

10:43:41 <br-m> <tomdooley:matrix.org> I developed the code locally on my umbrel server to package the dockers and source builds, I had never used git before and i used different AI systems like cursor, antigravity and claude to help me debug, refactor, and get it through to github while teaching me how to do it and format the dashboard in ways

that would take me y

10:47:41 <br-m> <tomdooley:matrix.org> sorry but i do understand, i designed every piece of that app with tact and cunning

seeing these two messages after each other is insane.

in the future, how do you expect to maintain it? have AI rewrite it again? what happens when it ends up affecting end users? as I said elsewhere, it's fine if it affects just you, but you don't understand the pieces involved and will end up breaking (not if but when, and this is true for non-AI too)

remake it from scratch in a day with the latest model every few months

Should CCS fund the AI subscription then, and cut out the middle man?

I heard Opus 4.6 can even code a C compiler from scratch, so a mining app should be a piece of cake for it, right?

even looking at the commits is ... "FINAL REFACTOR of XXX" (a few hours later) "Fix: REFACTOR XXX" then "Swap XXX with refactor"

and then the inevitable vatsalagarwall.medium.com/the-day-a…se-and-then-apologized-42bd12e9b0d5

<syntheticbird> I mean actually yes > <@tomdooley:matrix.org> or maybe hes just an AI bot??

<syntheticbird> His first tweets are from end of december 2025

<syntheticbird> and his profile picture an AI generated man

<syntheticbird> he also tweets at least once an hour, which is enormous

<syntheticbird> i love matrix lagging

<tomdooley:matrix.org> sech1: AI doesnt have the heart

syntheticbird did just you see the same black cat twice? :P

<tomdooley:matrix.org> honestly that would help, im going to continue doing this with or without support > <sech1> Should CCS fund the AI subscription then, and cut out the middle man?

really, see the link plowsof linked (for making crowdfunds)

<syntheticbird> sech1: oh my god

Frankly I don't see the big audience for your project. P2Pool has an official docker container, and a dozen of unofficial ones, and there's also Gupax for GUI users

<syntheticbird> plowsof you know i know you know

<syntheticbird> let's ban this fucker to oblivion

sech1: umbrel is big for prosumers, but someone else already did a p2pool setup there

and monero node etc.

<tomdooley:matrix.org> sech1: you cant run docker containers from umbrel without digging into the terminal, and trying to learn umbrel $(APP_PROXY) setup and its docker networking, or using portainer which is also a nightmare. its needs all the elements of the package for the nice clean easy 1 click install

like, for this thing umbrel.com/umbrelos which can run on their hardware or your own

<tomdooley:matrix.org> DataHoarder: i dont think there is a p2pool for umbrel, maybe im mistaken

<syntheticbird> monero.social is dying guys and gals

<tomdooley:matrix.org> DataHoarder: its a big deal, and Monero needs to move in

<syntheticbird> @tomdooley:matrix.org: ssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

<syntheticbird> stop making noise

<syntheticbird> you'll only accelerate your fate

<syntheticbird> plowsof in eating lunch

<syntheticbird> give up

they maintain this github.com/deverickapollo/umbrel-monero for example

<syntheticbird> being a loser is one thing, orchestatring llm bots for giving your scam credibility is another

<tomdooley:matrix.org> @syntheticbird: in jungian psychology, you are known as 'the gatekeeper', the one who says 'give up and go back'. you are a necessary part of my journey to success, thank you.

10:24:01 <@plowsof> kuno.anne.media good luck!

that fits the model of self-funding

syntheticbird i know you know i know you know

<syntheticbird> @tomdooley:matrix.org: you really saved this one in your bookmarks didn't you

<tomdooley:matrix.org> DataHoarder: you must not understand the setup at all if you are telling me this.

<tomdooley:matrix.org> @syntheticbird: let the grown ups talk, go trash on reddit

don't try to do all in one. instead you have the monero part done, maybe add p2pool

<tomdooley:matrix.org> this app is required for Superbrain, it is preconfigured to access it. every Monero node on umbrel has rpc auth by default. Superbrain has an initialization script that fetches the user and password and bring it into its own env so that p2pool can turn on. > <DataHoarder> they maintain this github.com/deverickapollo/umbrel-monero for example

xmrig is a stretch

yes, I discovered it via your links

<tomdooley:matrix.org> its not all in one, its separate

but why aren't they asking for money instantly

<tomdooley:matrix.org> its not a stretch, its working right now

like your own readme has broken links btw

also\

setting this up ... requires ssh access

> <br-m> <tomdooley:matrix.org> sech1: you cant run docker containers from umbrel without digging into the terminal

and you can't run this without digging on the terminal

has you edit some other package docker-compose.yml

which can be overridden anytime in an update

I guess you sending PRs upstream are nice, tbh

<tomdooley:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/YhnExHAsrcCLZQMSIWDUKuVq.mov (Screen Recording 2026-02-08 at 2.31.08 AM.mov)

"superbrain" already has bad vibes, but that is my personal opinion there, specially calling it "monero" on top

I believe it will work now, but once it breaks, what

it's not you who knows how this work

<tomdooley:matrix.org> it doesnt, thats just right now because the monero node app (deverick) needs work. I have a PR that added --zmq published to tcp://0.0.0.0:18083 > <DataHoarder> setting this up ... requires ssh access

<tomdooley:matrix.org> soon as that gets merged, users dont have to do ANYTHING, its all ready to go

but whatever AI cloud stuff hallucinated

<tomdooley:matrix.org> DataHoarder: stop saying that its not true

here we go again to the same discussion each time

<tomdooley:matrix.org> i broke it 100 times to get it to this point, what are you talking about lol > <DataHoarder> I believe it will work now, but once it breaks, what

anyone with field specific knowledge using AI for that field ends up finding out how wrong it is ALL the time. it's trained/designed to convince YOU that it's good, not being good

can you maintain this without any AI help?

can you learn to do git add / git commit / git push without it?

do you know bash? it's heavily featured on your repo

have you used React in the past without AI? could you edit it fully?

also that initial commit is ... after several initial commits brainchainz/Monero-Superbrain 6de65b2

wait you were just trying random containers? brainchainz/Monero-Superbrain 0f403ce including my own never maintained one?

do you even test locally?

<tomdooley:matrix.org> im solid with docker. react and vite, still learning. the server.js i'm fully connected to, its part of me. > <DataHoarder> can you maintain this without any AI help?

the problem is that the burden of reviewing all of this is now also pushed onto others

where you can output a stream on demand (cloud overlords allowing)

<tomdooley:matrix.org> this is the 7th repo for this project in its different iterations, i deleted the old ones, it goes way back, too embarrassing > <DataHoarder> also that initial commit is ... after several initial commits brainchainz/Monero-Superbrain 6de65b2

<tomdooley:matrix.org> but i never give up

no I can see that indeed

<tomdooley:matrix.org> i was trying every container i could, no one was using the app but me, i hadnt shared the github yet until it was solid on all fronts > <DataHoarder> wait you were just trying random containers? brainchainz/Monero-Superbrain 0f403ce including my own never maintained one?

<tomdooley:matrix.org> we can make images for every piece just, for this app, thats another goal

<321bob321> Its the blind trust in AI code thats the issue

<321bob321> And not even bother to learn

<321bob321> Look at clawbot

<tomdooley:matrix.org> @321bob321: i agree. thats why i dont blindly trust AI and why i bother to learn.

<tomdooley:matrix.org> im a huge critic of AI slop, i call it out daily.

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> @tomdooley:matrix.org: The issue is that it's not your work, it's ambiguous which parts can be argued yours, and you said it wasn't LLM-generated but that you used LLMs.

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> Basically this. The work done by someone who uses an LLM is writing prompts. The issue is the work submitted isn't prompts but code they claim they did. > <sech1> Should CCS fund the AI subscription then, and cut out the middle man?

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> It's a project manager with a junior dev claiming to be a mid-senior developer.

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> Recipe for disaster

<syntheticbird> Beside the LLM use, he doesn't aspire me confidence in any way. He is supported by an LLM powered bot that started posting ai generated pro xmr images through at june 2025 before pausing and restarting posts in december 2025. His own github acount is 4 year old with the first activity being MAGIC candidate under the name KidTo [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/rJKEtuQKblRZMTh0 ]

<user2570:unredacted.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/unredacted.org/QtqVZiYwchqcALVwlZhHzIVO.png (6607.png)

<syntheticbird> Bro I was literally struggling to search for some of your work right now and thought you were dead.

<syntheticbird> also looks awesome

<user2570:unredacted.org> @tomdooley:matrix.org I have made this before read the matrix discussion. So take this as my free but conditional support.

<user2570:unredacted.org> Just start a Kuno. Or significantly lower the funding amount requested for your CCS proposal to compensate the AI-assisted maintenance and stability risks.

<user2570:unredacted.org> Or involve someone more qualified for coding.

Even if 0 xmr , still laughable

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I don't think CCS should normalize accepting ai shit. The fact that this is like the 7th repo, and starts off by commiting random docker images for p2pool, is crazy work

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I get that the trial and error took time, but asking to be paid for proving that you have no idea what youre doing.. is wild

<syntheticbird> when AI will take over you'll be the first to be executed

<freigeist-m:matrix.org> Hello, can anyone here approve Reddit posts?

<freigeist-m:matrix.org> Posted one 6h ago

<syntheticbird> Pay me my proxy and i'll make you mod

<syntheticbird> (im joking)

<syntheticbird> cc plowsof monerobull

<freigeist-m:matrix.org> @syntheticbird: That sounds like a troublesome job no thanks hehe

<freigeist-m:matrix.org> @freigeist-m:matrix.org: @monerobull:matrix.org: @plowsof:matrix.org messaged you both on Reddit

Please link the reddit thread for convenience, i dont know how reddit UI works

<freigeist-m:matrix.org> This article? reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1qz4la…/verifiable_reputations_with_monero

Should be viewable now

<freigeist-m:matrix.org> plowsof: Yes, perfect, many thanks!

<DataHoarder> anyone with field specific knowledge using AI for that field ends up finding out how wrong it is ALL the time. it's trained/designed to convince YOU that it's good, not being good <<>> great take :)

<syntheticbird> nioc how is your cat named?

<syntheticbird> cat right?

no, it's Cat

c vs C

<syntheticbird> my bad

<syntheticbird> right

<syntheticbird> thx

meow

<syntheticbird> 🐈️📢🔥🔥🔥

<shadowvault:matrix.org> hey guys i got an idea i have been sitting on for a project called shadowvault and wanted to see if the community would actually care about this for a ccs proposal

<shadowvault:matrix.org> basically i want to build a storage vault that is 100% monero based so no btc or fiat and no kyc bs either just pure anonymity since we’re staying in the xmr ecosystem. it would be a .onion service with no accounts or signups and i want to keep it strictly html and css so zero javascript to keep it safe for tor users

<shadowvault:matrix.org> the main thing is it'll have a dead man’s switch where you set a timer and if you dont check in the files get shredded or sent to a backup contact. i'll also do a weekly pgp signed warrant canary so people know the server is still safe. everything will be open source of course.

<shadowvault:matrix.org> does this sound like something the community would actually support or is it too niche for a ccs?

<syntheticbird> @shadowvault:matrix.org: I would personally be interested by such service. But it requires dedication, hardware and a good business strategies. But I do not think a lot folks here might be thrilled at supporting a CCS proposal for kickstarting a business. I hope you know that if you make a CCS proposal, your code will need to be FOSS.

<syntheticbird> because

<syntheticbird> well

<syntheticbird> the CCS can only be about code

<shadowvault:matrix.org> Totally get that. i'm planning on making the whole thing FOSS so the community owns the tech, not just me. my goal for the ccs would be to fund the actual development of the software. once the code is built and open source, i'll figure out the hardware/hosting side on my own as a separate thing. i'm definitely committed to keeping the code free for the ecosystem.

<shadowvault:matrix.org> > <@syntheticbird> I would personally be interested by such service. But it requires dedication, hardware and a good business strategies. But I do not think a lot folks here might be thrilled at supporting a CCS proposal for kickstarting a business. I hope you know that if you make a CCS proposal, your code will need to be FOSS.

<shadowvault:matrix.org> Totally get that. i'm planning on making the whole thing FOSS so the community owns the tech, not just me. my goal for the ccs would be to fund the actual development of the software. once the code is built and open source, i'll figure out the hardware/hosting side on my own as a separate thing. i'm definitely committed to keeping the code free for the ecosystem.

<syntheticbird> @shadowvault:matrix.org: If so is the case feel free to open a proposal

<syntheticbird> with as much details as possible

<syntheticbird> the first stage of a good ccs proposal is discussion and feedback

<shadowvault:matrix.org> @syntheticbird: Thanks a lot for your feedback I appreciate it if its accepted maybe you can roast my codes

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I honestly doubt a centralized service like this would be approved > <@shadowvault:matrix.org> hey guys i got an idea i have been sitting on for a project called shadowvault and wanted to see if the community would actually care about this for a ccs proposal

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Even small stuff like hosting a mirror of the source code ends up being shut down and nym burned soon after funds are collected

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its like "im going to host a paid service on my potato onion server" -- if its paid, then you shouldnt need funding

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> And i wouldnt want to be the guy storing the CSAM or promoting a service that will probably have 90% of the users be those types of people

<shadowvault:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: I totally hear you my goal isn't to just be a single centralized host though. the reason i want to do this as a CCS for the code itself is so that the software is 100% open source and easy for anyone to deploy. if my specific instance goes down, the code is still out there for the community to run their own private vaults or for someone else to host a better version.

<syntheticbird> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: thx god section 2-32 exists

<shadowvault:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: i totally get the worry about and that’s exactly why the zero-knowledge part is so important. since i literally can't see what's being uploaded, i'm not 'promoting' or 'moderating' content i'm just providing a tool.

<shadowvault:matrix.org> also that's why i'm sticking to the ccs for the code only. if the community owns the FOSS code, anyone can run their own instance

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> the proprietary models are much more powerful, don't judge based on some tiny benchmaxxed chinese model > <sech1> I have qwen3 coder next installed on my main PC, and it's not THAT good

<plowsof:matrix.org> shadowvault is there a compelling use case for such a service? do similar things exist already? are you a new alt with zero contributions to the project? what do you mean by "100% monero based"? "once the code is built and open source, i'll figure out the hardware/hosting side on my own as a separate thing" is this a rent a vibe coder type thing or are you doing this yourself?

<syntheticbird> if you can convince plowsof you can convince anyone

<syntheticbird> actually, you MUST convince plowsof

<shadowvault:matrix.org> @plowsof:matrix.org: i think the need for 'dead man' storage is huge for this community. think about journalists with sensitive leaks or people in high-risk jurisdictions who need their data to either vanish or go to a trusted contact if they get detained. existing 'privacy' clouds almost all require JS or accounts, which are huge metadata leaks.

<shadowvault:matrix.org> I’m definitely a newer face here, but that’s why i’m planning on doing this via CCS milestones. I'm happy to earn the trust through the work. and yeah definitely not just renting a vibe lol. i’m doing the heavy lifting on the python/flask side myself. i’m splitting the "hosting" part out because the CCS is for public [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/it_iweQKU0RKbFBi ]

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "for this community" ?

<plowsof:matrix.org> "need their data to either vanish or go to a trusted contact if they get detained" hm ok so....

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Were just normal people who use a cryptocurremcy that isnt a surveillance tool

<plowsof:matrix.org> any comment on "100% monero based"

<kiersten5821:matrix.org> normal people don't use cryptocurrency 😂

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @plowsof:matrix.org: Paid service, is what i gathered

<plowsof:matrix.org> yeah just trying a litmus test

<plowsof:matrix.org> ok so im dead. who is paying my self hosted service bills

<plowsof:matrix.org> :P

<plowsof:matrix.org> "people in high-risk jurisdictions who need their data to either vanish" encrypted file. if local? then you need a duress type service, or, get your hammer out and start polishing some zeros into drives

<rottenwheel:unredacted.org> Eh?

<rottenwheel:unredacted.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/unredacted.org/VguysDjZvXgqfzzPYiofPWdx.png (image.png)

<rottenwheel:unredacted.org> What's going on with getmonero.org?

<rottenwheel:unredacted.org> IP, clearnet, both get blocked.

<plowsof:matrix.org> " existing 'privacy' clouds almost all require JS or accounts, which are huge metadata leaks."

<plowsof:matrix.org> codeberg.org/saltylemon/xmrdrop

<rottenwheel:unredacted.org> How can I access gm? lol

<plowsof:matrix.org> github.com/HennyH/dosiero

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> This reminds of another recent proposal for the monero vault or w/e

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @rottenwheel:unredacted.org: Some cloudflare shit i think

<plowsof:matrix.org> rottenwheel thanks for confirming, several reports of this now :/

<rottenwheel:unredacted.org> Goddammit.

<rottenwheel:unredacted.org> Where's the CLI and GUI links to latest release smh.

<rottenwheel:unredacted.org> @plowsof:matrix.org: What is it though?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Use tor browser, the onion address, chrome based browser, or enable.. some feature (i csnt remember)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> (Oh nvm, thats rotten. i hope he cant read my msg)

<plowsof:matrix.org> the links should work sitll, sec

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The downloads cdn links arent blocks afaik

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Olowsof, can you fwd this to rottentrash

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> www-monero.com << is this a phishing link?

<shadowvault:matrix.org> the metadata leak thing is the biggest issue with proton/mega/etc. even if they're 'private,' the second you load their JS, they can fingerprint your browser. and having an account means they have a database entry with your activity history. > <@plowsof:matrix.org> " existing 'privacy' clouds almost all require JS or accounts, which are huge metadata leaks."

<plowsof:matrix.org> dlsrc.getmonero.org/gui/monero-gui-win-x64-v0.18.4.5.zip

<plowsof:matrix.org> if you prefer torrents github.com/plowsof/monero-torrent/releases

<plowsof:matrix.org> dlsrc.getmonero.org/cli/monero-linux-x64-v0.18.4.5.tar.bz2

<plowsof:matrix.org> shadowvault keep up, ive linked to file storage services behind monero payment gateway which have no js

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/615 > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> This reminds of another recent proposal for the monero vault or w/e

<shadowvault:matrix.org> > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Paid service, is what i gathered

<shadowvault:matrix.org> Honestly, i’d love for this to eventually be a sustainable service. my plan is to release the code as FOSS so anyone can self-host it for free, but i also want to run an official hosted version for people who don't want to deal with the tech side. The ccs is to build the tool for everyone my business would just be providing the convenience of hosting it.

<plowsof:matrix.org> host an existing service and build a user base up for it who are interested in new features

<plowsof:matrix.org> best of luck

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Build it, offer it as a service to ppl who want u to delete their CSAM when they get arrested, profit?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> For self-hosting, having trusted backups is easy: send an encrypted copy to person a b and/or c

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Like, or theres stuff like cryptonator (or whatever its called)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> github.com/cryptomator/android

<tomdooley:matrix.org> > <@syntheticbird> Beside the LLM use, he doesn't aspire me confidence in any way. He is supported by an LLM powered bot that started posting ai generated pro xmr images through at june 2025 before pausing and restarting posts in december 2025. His own github acount is 4 year old with the first activity being MAGIC candida [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/8KOLxeQKMzdzellT ]

<tomdooley:matrix.org> i dont know who tf you are talking about, kidtoshi? you must be looking at the wrong github. the only other thing on my github is a little fork i did to add XMR pricing to woocommerce shops in wordpress. im not some random anon, ive been around for a years and hung out with some of these people in real life. i threw a monero e [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/8KOLxeQKMzdzellT ]

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> I have no idea about the CCS/GH/social media accounts/whatever, and solely have my above distaste for using LLMs as commentary on this specific incident, but I can confirm SirJamzAlot is an actual person who organized or helped organized an event during ETH Denver and has been on Monerotopia (the show) and so on.

<tomdooley:matrix.org> @kayabanerve:matrix.org: i understand the current distaste of using LLM assistance. serious question: so if run into a bug that is deep, that you have no idea what it is, are you going to go down to the local library and try to find a book, or are you going to feed the logs into an LLM and see if it can help find the problem and come up with a custom solution?

<hbs:matrix.org> @tomdooley:matrix.org: How about you do what every developer has done for the last half century, i.e. look at the code and attempt to understand it first?

<tomdooley:matrix.org> @hbs:matrix.org: this is just bullshit and the 3rd attempt for someone in here to say that i dont understand what is happening in my app

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> I have literally never made an account with an LLM service nor directly engaged with an LLM

<tomdooley:matrix.org> @kayabanerve:matrix.org: you're... different

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> If I had a bug I couldn't solve, I'd:

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> - Work on till I could

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> - Poke someone else

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> - Not solve it

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> Turns out, if you don't like LLMs, you can not use them.

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> They'll still be shoved in front of you all the time and annoying af

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> But I don't think it's so different to simply not use LLMs. It may no longer be the majority, but I think in the most recent StackOverflow survey, only a slight majority claimed to regularly (e.g. weekly) interact with an LLM as at least some part of their flow

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> That still leaves a bit under half of developers as not using them

<syntheticbird> > <@tomdooley:matrix.org> i dont know who tf you are talking about, kidtoshi? you must be looking at the wrong github. the only other thing on my github is a little fork i did to add XMR pricing to woocommerce shops in wordpress. im not some random anon, ive been around for a years and hung out with some of these people in [... too long, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/sYuwxeQKcUlydERi ]

<syntheticbird> huh MAGICGrants/Monero-Fund-Elections #4 ?

<syntheticbird> you'll tell me that's not you?

<syntheticbird> that's your account

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> FWIW, opening CCSs for LLM-generated (or LLM-assisted) content is an example of it being shoved in front of us. Because this was presented to the Monero community, and such a thing, I may not be using an LLM but I still experience the fallout.

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> My comment was people can choose to not directly use LLMs, not people can avoid them and this is 'to each their own'

<321bob321> @hbs:matrix.org: Learning ?

<hbs:matrix.org> @321bob321: Heretic!

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> Bringing an LLM-generated object to other people means the person is no longer doing it on their own, for themselves. It's actively presenting it to other people. The fact that the CCS requires discourse just means there's a captive audience.

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> This was the issue with cURL. They explicitly refused LLM bs, but because LLMs kept submitting and they had to review and reply to each issue, it became a nightmare.

<tomdooley:matrix.org> @syntheticbird: thats definitely me, i made that meme. i dont remember exactly what that was for though, was probably just trying to get involved with stuff early on, at that date i was maybe a year into Monero. but that x account kidtoshi3 that you tried to link me to is definitely not me.

<kayabanerve:matrix.org> Not to mention Google, DuckDuckGo constantly providing LLM previews, the famous time Microsoft refused changes to documentation which wouldn't be 'friendly to LLMs', etc.

<syntheticbird> @tomdooley:matrix.org: having only suspicions i'm inclined to believe you

<syntheticbird> also what kayabanerve have stated about you helping irl

<syntheticbird> @kayabanerve:matrix.org: ddg hypocrisy by shoving llm and duck.ai subscription in their search engine but simultaneously making the No AI version of ddg with marketing, like they are against it or something

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> In any case, i dont think ccs should be encouraging submissions of LLM projects for funding

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> For the same reason we scrutinize AI hackerone submissions. The signal to noise ratio is way out of wack and the onus on community to verify things becomes an unbalanced workload, considering the submitter, more often than not, doesnt or cant review or understand their own submission

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its like a "fool me once" type of thing.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Pretty UIs that are built on some code that LLMs slapped together.. is, im my eyes, hobby work

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Being a professional prompter might be a skill in itself, but its (imo) worth like 1/10th of the funds as compared to if it was done by someone who didnt require a robot to to all of the heavy lifting

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> When a human writes the code, the human can explain every aspect if why every line and character was typed. When an LLM does it, its usually "because (barring hallucinations) it works"

<tomdooley:matrix.org> > <@kayabanerve:matrix.org> FWIW, opening CCSs for LLM-generated (or LLM-assisted) content is an example of it being shoved in front of us. Because this was presented to the Monero community, and such a thing, I may not be using an LLM but I still experience the fallout.

<tomdooley:matrix.org> the only fallout is the rejection from this group. other than that, the effect in with my connections have been positive, the app is working and people are getting paid. more people will now start up monero nodes and start mining p2pool, and that is simply a positive.

<tomdooley:matrix.org> How do i delete the CCS proposal? I wanted to start going full time Monero and I though this would've been a great stepping stone:

<tomdooley:matrix.org> [... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/sYznxeQKaGtLU0JM ]

<321bob321> CCS is for paid skill

<321bob321> And badges

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Of course people are getting paid. The developer of p2pool and xmrig and xmrig-proxy made it so.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> You can just "close" the merge request. Deleting might not be possible w/o backend going in to delete it

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah, its all community funded. Generalfund helps fund core development when community donations are slow, but often doesnt have to

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Generalfund pretty much never funds things that arent core development

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> It funds research and has donated to monerokon though

<tomdooley:matrix.org> Ok cool thanks. btw, CCS proposal was absolutely not my idea, I was pushed by a very well known Monero person do it. Another said stay away, do Kuno instead.

<tomdooley:matrix.org> I saw Gupax got 100 XMR so I thought that it might be the correct avenue for a project that is outside my norm (which has all been outreach/events/etc).

[CCS Proposals] SirJamzAlot closed merge request #640: Monero-Superbrain-1-year-dev repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/640