I will miss today's meeting, please make sure that the CCS website gets fixed, thx

🙏

<ofrnxmr> nioc: Community meeting in 1h12m

<takane0:matrix.org> Can anybody just join these meetings or is it invite only?

<rene_guenon:matrix.org> nioc: What is CCS?

Meeting is here and everyone is welcome

CCS is Community Crowdfunding System

<rene_guenon:matrix.org> nioc: What gets decided in the meeting?

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> The coffee and snacks are served in the off-topic room tho

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @rene_guenon:matrix.org: monero-project/meta #1446

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> today’s meeting topics

<takane0:matrix.org> nioc: Nice, I'd love to attend then. How do I join? Is there a link or are you guys using the group call feature?

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Meeting is here

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> just like now, we just text, the chat has logs and stuff

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> no need to do something special/crazy to join, and not calling…

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> just being here :)

<takane0:matrix.org> Ohhh okok my bad

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> all good

Meeting time: monero-project/meta #1446

<hbs:matrix.org> Hello

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Hello hello

<boog900> Hi

<jpk68:matrix.org> Hello

lets get into the community highlights

monero.observer is back

welcome back escaprethe3ra

multiple gpu wallet scanners in the wild, able to scan the chain from a local or precomputed cache in seconds

escapethe3ra*

<hbs:matrix.org> Published two videos explaining how MoneroSwap works

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> #moneroswap:matrix.org

nothing else exciting going on?

serai had another audit completed

jberman reports that the phase 1 audit is completed, and all items related to it have been reviewed and merged into monero master

phase of of the integration audit*

ok, lets get into the CCS proposals

note that ccs.getmonero.org is broken atm. ideas page shows nothing and funding page isnt updating

should hopefully be back up in a few days. I'm not sure which part of the stack is broken, but iiuc ccs.getmonero.org is on a separate box than repo.getmonero.org

repo was updated a few days ago, and seems ccs went haywire at that time, so maybe ccs just needs some services restarted - but i have no idea

a. [MRL] Dennis Trautwein - ProbeLab P2P Network Metrics Proposal repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/667

Dennis left a new comment repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/667#note_37195

"I see this proposal has been stuck here. What needs to happen in order to merge this and move the proposal from "Ideas" to "Fundraising"? Is there any sticking point, given it moved off of MRL? Let us know how we can be of help to move things forward."

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> (jokes on him - its not on the ideas page anymore :D hha jkjk)

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> lol

the volunteer said they would be able to check this weekend what went wrong on the ccs , not heard from them yet

i spoke to them and they said they would be unavailable

but they dont have access to the ccs box, just repo afaik

ccs is diego box

so its possible that the issue isnt on repo (iiuc..)

<diego:cypherstack.com> is it?

ya

thats what pigeons said some time ago

ive told CS to hold back in case its a gitlab issue that will be resolved this weekend

that helps knowing it wont be resolved this weekend

still worth looking at ccs if some service there is just stuck

a restart will fix it as my mirror runs fine with the current gitlab

my concern was restart and then someting is done again today , but nvm

thats what i mean - if gitlab isfi ne, then the issue is probably something stuck on ccs

<jpk68:matrix.org> Can there not be, like, a scheduled cron job to restart the server?

but yeah, the update of repo isnt done, so probably more hiccups to go

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> jpk, we only restart during a power failure (thats what i do)

all signs point to lack of timeouts inside a try/catch i added that solved another problem, but i have to see it break first

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> cant see it break if its already broken :P

fix it then break it again :D

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> anyway, id ask that diego / cs check the ccs website to see if its on their end

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> if it breaks again, we can watch it

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> but for now, funding and ideas is fkd up

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> So, what do we think of the ProbeLab CCS proposal?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i dont have much of an opinion on it, but i dont think the data is overly helpful

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> -1

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> there have been past studies done showing that there are large nodes (1000+ connections) that essentially handle 80% of the network traffic. i dont think it takes too much work to figure that out

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> no bueno

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> you have monero.fail doing reverse lookups across the whole network to discover every node monero.fail/map

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i dont know what such data buys us, it seems more informative

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> and again, i feel like its just funding blockchain surveillance. but hey, that all just my opinion

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> It does feel that way

<yiannisbot:matrix.org> Hi folks, Yiannis from ProveLab here to answer questions and see if this can move forward.

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Hello

<ravfx:xmr.mx> -1

<yiannisbot:matrix.org> We want the study to be as helpful and valuable as possible for the community. We gathered feedback that indeed it is going to be. But we’ve also asked several times if there’s something we should add to make it more impactful.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> > A report about metrics on unreachable nodes in the Monero network published on ProbeLab’s blog. The report will include the outcome of our research study and will include heuristics that make better judgements of whether a node is a spy node or not. If budget allows we will also collect these metrics continuously and have them live on probelab.io.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> im not sure knowing whether a node is a spy is ultimately helpful. as discoveries are made, they can jsut change their behavior

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: x2

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> so the way a user runs a node should simply be defensive - to always assume that every peer is malicious

<yiannisbot:matrix.org> The point of the study is to try and identify better heuristics to identify spy nodes and also make it harder for spy nodes to exist in the network.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> the latter doesnt seem possible

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> the same spynodes on monero exist on i2p, bitcoin, etc

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> I am not convinced this proposal should be funded…

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> the core issue isn’t just the cost or the closed source nature of Nebula…

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> it is that the fundamental activity ProbeLab is proposing, a large scale crawling of the Monero p2p network, is itself the same class of activity that spy nodes perform[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/l8janqMLbF9HRUFt ]

<ravfx:xmr.mx> The more we detect the more they will evolve to evade detection

<jpk68:matrix.org> I would say -1 from me as well, especially considering the work is not fully FOSS

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> like, we know that large quantity of nodes on btc, i2p, and monero are spy nodes, yet the only "solutions" for any of them are blocking, asmap, reducing clusters

<yiannisbot:matrix.org> Regarding the closed source: we’ve revised the proposal and this was amended.

<jpk68:matrix.org> IMO, something more useful would be looking into actual mitigations, such as an ASmap like Bitcoin Core uses, or preventing heuristic leakage through anonymity networks.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> or improving block sync throughput and sybil resistance on anonymity networks

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> but these things dont require monitoring the adversaries, they defend against all adversaries

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> so it would make it not realistic for spied to participate at all, since they cant learn anything

<yiannisbot:matrix.org> Ok, that’s useful. I’m wondering why such suggestions come several months after the proposal was submitted.

<yiannisbot:matrix.org> If you can add these comments in the proposal itself, we can continue the discussion and see if we have a methodology to propose that would make it valuable.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> some more interesting proposals need more interesting input. we can apologize for not having better ideas earlier, but its not easy to think of what to do

<yiannisbot:matrix.org> Otherwise messages just get lost in this channel.

<boog900> I think I did say something like that in the monero labs meetings IIRC

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ok, 10mins left, lets get to the other propsals quickly

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> again, note that the website isnt working so funding isnt working atm

<jpk68:matrix.org> @boog900: Yes, myself as well.

b. acx - part-time monfluo repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/690

@plowsof is this in merge queue?

<jpk68:matrix.org> Easy +1

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> +1

<ravfx:xmr.mx> +1

c. panagot12 Monero LWS Observatory — Public LWS Health repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/686

<yiannisbot:matrix.org> In all, I’m hearing that there’s limited interest for the proposal. We’ll leave it to that from our side and let us know if appetite shifts. We’ll also dive a little more on Dandelion+ to see any space for optimization there.

<jpk68:matrix.org> ofrnxmr: -1

<ravfx:xmr.mx> -1

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> ofrnxmr: -1

<pw:xmr.mx> ofrnxmr: +1

<pw:xmr.mx> been having a nap

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> id -1 as well,if nothing else, because there arent many public lws servers atm

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> a kuno would probably do well here, also since this is vibe coded

<pw:xmr.mx> ofrnxmr: *

acx yes ofrnxmr

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> d. Boog900 - Cuprate FCMP++ support repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/691

<pw:xmr.mx> +1

<ravfx:xmr.mx> +1

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> +1

e. v1docq47 - monero konferenco 2026 voice-over and working on xmr.ru repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/683

<pw:xmr.mx> -1 not urgent

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> -1

<ravfx:xmr.mx> -1

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> racists

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i thought this was a "merge, but not right now" :D hah

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> v1docq47 has been funded for all of his prior proposals (except 1) and has been doing this work for years. i wouldnt want to merge during a slow-funding period, but im not against merging it since the audience is entirely different than our usual

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> so my person vote is "postpone"

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> personal*

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> (not close)

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> +1 to postpone

<pw:xmr.mx> well could always hold off i guess, ya

f. r4v3r23 - ANONERO Continued development repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/671

<pw:xmr.mx> repo page is no longer loading for me.

<pw:xmr.mx> has any milestones been met yet or does it still seem like a bit.of a mess

<ravfx:xmr.mx> +1

<pw:xmr.mx> in regards to F – anonero

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> patchwork, milestones for anonero? no

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Shall we postpone this one as well?

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> there are some points that haven’t been clarified

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> their repo loads for me

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> git.anonero5wmhraxqsvzq2ncgptq6gq45…ANONERO/ANONERO/commits/branch/main

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: took me a few secs but it did

<pw:xmr.mx> everything just seemed to have gone tits up since a couple meetings ago and time scales were reduced, adding pressure to r4v3r23/anonero

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> there have been more comments in both directions since the last meeting

<pw:xmr.mx> after the last meeting r4v3r managed to pop in and replied 'devs are ready'

<pw:xmr.mx> any progress made since then?

<pw:xmr.mx> I'm not against anonero but it seems all over the place

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> well, the only updates on the app have been translations, so idk whats going on

<pw:xmr.mx> would be fantastic to see progress and peoples suggestions taken on board for taking it further, rather then be shot down and dismissed.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Oh, that update, been a while

<pw:xmr.mx> + pospone

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> +1 postpone until things get clear

we dont care about seeing concepts for the new ui right? example: new CCS ui , we expected to see mockups

the milestones have been planned and decided - jut need funding now

<pw:xmr.mx> he shouldn't of reduced the time scales adding pressure to himself/dev and not deliver in those reduced times.

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Imo ui is fine. Just fix the bug and add a network killswitch on anon

ravfx new ui is the first milestone

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> network kill switch isnt in the milestones, but i personally think the way the apps are is mixed up

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> “Milestone 1: New UI (23.1725 XMR)”

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> both of the apps are online - nero = view only, anon = signing and spend

<ravfx:xmr.mx> Yeah, reverse anon and nero, would make more sence

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> anon should be online view and spend, nero should be offline sign only

<pw:xmr.mx> plowsof: I still say +1 to postpone, till see things moving further.

<pw:xmr.mx> no offence intended. it would be great to see anonero flying

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ok, what are we waiting for with the postpone?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> what do we want answered or to see before merge?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> mockup for ui? bugs being fixed / activity on repo from dev? prs from contributors instead of patches being submit and git author credit taken by anonero account?

<pw:xmr.mx> peoples bug reporting like @ravfx:xmr.mx findings, being taken on board - rather then him being shot down and called a clown

<pw:xmr.mx> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: all of the above IMO

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> git.anonero5wmhraxqsvzq2ncgptq6gq45…0fdbfa51f3565f7db4d532f5c9ec856f8f7 example - this was done by @udenix:4d2.org but author is anonero

plenty of bugs have been identified

<pw:xmr.mx> I've noticed peoples bug findings just being met with hostility, attitude and denial

would be nice for udenix to explain why he didnt spot the 3+ year old dependencies in the wallet after contirbuting for months

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> UDENIX was contributing for months? how can you tell :D

raver said anyone who built from source would get them - which is wrong , provably

<pw:xmr.mx> I'm all for it succeeding BTW.

udenix is the kotlin dev?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i thought he was jsut the guy who did the transaltions

oh we dont care about the anon dev, i forgot

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> the spanish translation*

ignore

what is ofrnxmr waiting for to vote on the proposal?

<pw:xmr.mx> votes.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> twas a joke

<pw:xmr.mx> ohz hehehuhuhahaha

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> seems were still at a crossroads and over the limit. lets see if activity picks up or any concerns addressed before next meeting

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> thanks folks

<slowbeardigger:matrix.org> take care ppl

Next meeting Sat Sept 5, 2026 @ 1600 UTC

<pw:xmr.mx> last meeting there was a mention of revuo.. not today?

<pw:xmr.mx> Monero observer taken over?? great.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> no

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> revuo hasnt posted since july

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> TWIM hasnt either

<pw:xmr.mx> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: cyphergoat right? if so I noticed the other day

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> yeah

<pw:xmr.mx> ya July 19th

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> community highlight isnt really a highlight if nothing has changed since the previous meeting

<pw:xmr.mx> observer 'Monero Monthly ...ish 15'

<pw:xmr.mx> at least someone's honest 😅

<pw:xmr.mx> ofrnxmr: see you 👋

<rottenwheel:unredacted.org> definitely! > <@pw:xmr.mx> last meeting there was a mention of revuo.. not today?

<rottenwheel:unredacted.org> @escapethe3ra:matrix.org @escapethe3ra:dfc.world isn't that right?

<pw:xmr.mx> i don't think ofrn should host the meetings.

<pw:xmr.mx> 🍆😯

<pw:xmr.mx> be quiet

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> lounge.monero.observer/c/186#209

<pw:xmr.mx> you may be a bad candidate if you didn't have the meetings planned and got shit done.

<pw:xmr.mx> but you're organised and do get shit done. contribute left right and centre.. not only open issues for everyone else who brings them up in an app specific room, and brag about it in the process.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i should just do the biweekly meeting every 6 months and then get mad at any royalty that thinks they deserve one more often than i feel like it

<pw:xmr.mx> would still have more content than revuo

<321bob321> so monero observer is taken over from revuo ?

<321bob321> when you mute 90% of the people here, the responses dont make sense from rotten

<pw:xmr.mx> no I dont think its over taken as such.

<pw:xmr.mx> was just my poor wording with revuo being mentioned last meeting 2 week ago but not this week. instead it was Monero observer that's recently started again

<pw:xmr.mx> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: I think there was no mention of revuo or cyphergoat TWIM due to ofrns comment I've quoted here.

<pw:xmr.mx> instead for those reasons, it was Monero observer getting the mention instead thus week

<pw:xmr.mx> @321bob321: most of them don't since he just usually adds 5+ emoji reactions.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @pw:xmr.mx: Observer was on haitus / break for a while, so was removed from the agendas. It recently returned, so was readded (most recent update = yesterday)

<pw:xmr.mx> yeah i seen comments last week it was mentioned in a channel had made a return

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> In featherwallet

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> By tob

<pw:xmr.mx> that's the one!