i can't really imagine yet how that would look in detail

yah know, people that buy games to blow up stuff and explore virtual worlds wait hours, maybe days, for these 100+ GB things to download

i mean maybe this cert thing and trust stuff is the way to go, but it seems ... meh . I mean, whats the point? The point, as i remember it, was to create "instant on" so noobs can create a wallet and start transacting with monero. Say, perhaps, those noobs that want self custody, pullin their coins off exchanges

(as an aside, what needs to happen is to have exchanges run remote nodes. Well, any monero service really)

but perhaps if ppl want to experience instant-on, just to see the tech work, maybe they just run testnet

well, stagenet

and we setup a dumb website where people can go and spend their stagenet monero

this isn't a tomorrow solution though, thats fore sure

gingeropolous: Lws + tor service + mobile wallet support = instant on custodial wallets

* > <@gingeropolous:libera.chat> i mean maybe this cert thing and trust stuff is the way to go, but it seems ... meh . I mean, whats the point? The point, as i remember it, was to create "instant on" so noobs can create a wallet and start transacting with monero. Say, perhaps, those noobs that want self custody, pullin their coins off exchanges

Lws + tor service + mobile wallet support = instant on non-custodial wallets

but the chains only gonna get longer, the userbase will only go up, and the "load", as it were, is only gonna intensify

whose running the lws?

gingeropolous: For those users rino type services ? Or plain remote nodes

gingeropolous: It’s not integrated yet

i mean the servers

gingeropolous: Don’t think anyone is, other than mymonero or similar services; lws doesn’t support subadress yet

i don't see how that does much... are you saying that the "tor service" part functions to hide the connection of a viewkey with a particular user?

i mean, with that we're just dumping viewkeys everywhere

> i mean maybe this cert thing and trust stuff is the way to go, but it seems ... meh . I mean, whats the point? The point, as i remember it, was to create "instant on" so noobs can create a wallet and start transacting with monero. Say, perhaps, those noobs that want self custody, pullin their coins off exchanges

Yes it will still be an "instant on" for users; the experience will not change. But hopefully now there will be fewer fee attacks, etc since the nodes will be trusted

gingeropolous: Tor service so users can connect to their lws behind firewalls and without being noticed

oh there own lws. right.

their own.

gingeropolous: Yes

well a noob aint running their own lws, thats the point :)

"But hopefully now there will be fewer fee attacks, etc since the nodes will be trusted" ..... but what about muh trustless

gingeropolous: if it’s made easy one/two click solution, surely ppl will use as they don’t like wallet sync anyways

Friends can share same lws

but that requires a sync

* Local Friends can

yeah, the friends thing is also a way to go

like, the GUI pops up "Do you have a Monero friend that you trust? You can use their blockchain"

gingeropolous: Yah it’s a node so it will keep syncing, wallets once they connect they can see balance instantly

no i get it nikg83[m] . The point, as i understood it, was to create an instant on for someone that just downloaded the GUI

gingeropolous: I mean say you have a non geek local friend, you can share your tor lws address instead of asking him to use say mymonero

you download the GUI, generate an address, withdraw from your exchange, and it shows up. All within 20 mins

gingeropolous: Should show up as soon as exchange sends

yes

i guess, sorta my point, is that instant on might not be necessary

well, its definitely not necessary

but that all the nonsense might not be worth it

gingeropolous: Instant on for new users would be remote node, lws as stuff if they have someone holding their hand or they are geek enough

yes, i know

gingeropolous: Ssl certs ? I think it’s good

well i guess having one wall to defend is better than fighting out in the dark forest

i mean, are these trusted SSL certified nodes.... payment processors?

money transmitters?

Just normal nodes with a publicly open RPC port

> well i guess having one wall to defend is better than fighting out in the dark forest

dark forest is more fun ;)

hardcoded into software to perform the singular task of creating a relaying transactions for the user

gingeropolous: Ohok, so you are against trusted node list ?

need to call 1800lawyer

I had same idea, but for this fee asshole nodes issue this was a easy fix

Hard fix would be to check say 10 nodes for fee and then decide the correct one

* say 10 other nodes for

naw that hard fix is to tell the user to sit the fuck down and wait for their node to sync :)

Something like bitcoin wallets do

gingeropolous: Hmm 🤔

yeah ive always been a fan of that one

the multiple nodes blah blah

but its so damn easy to sybil the p2p list

gingeropolous: There was that bitmex ip filtering, gives IPs from different asn networks

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