Im pretty sure old solutions are accepted and mined as uncles up to 3 blocks deep, DataHoarder. I remember sech1 talking about it. Unless you're talking about something else as uncle uncles.

mining banter

sech1: nice interview on MoneroTalk. Pretty interesting project, hoping it grows.

btw, would you put the QR-code next to the donation address for the project? Would make easier to send a few bucks on the fly using a mobile wallet.

Looks like I can only land shares overnight heh

mechanic41turk you can click the donation address on p2pool.io and it will open your wallet, or you can just copy-paste it on github

sech1: yeah, I will need to visit the page on my phone though

I am looking at p2pool.io on my laptop and my wallet is on my phone.

there's no space for QR code there though, it will litter the page

ok, you are the boss ;)

BLOCK ACCEPTED at height 2447745 and difficulty = 336764038166

100 blocks mined!

QuickBASIC: as in, when a block is accounted as uncle it does not look further into it for more uncles

They get added next to it if anything

Xmrvsbeast[m]: BEAST

was very interesting interview

the interviewer seemed a bit annoying with the repeditive "will you add any fees?" questions

Well he has a constant moving banner for the entire time about donating to monerotalk, advertised his CCS at the beginning which has since been filled, $70k for 6 months o_0

it's an eternal problem. tech-savvy people are busy doing tech, not interviewing others

so the people doing interviews ... rarely understand any of the relevant topics

all they understand is price/cost/fees/etc

Does p2pool work with merge mining?

are there yet any mobile wallets that can show p2pool payouts?

yes

monerujo updated already

Moneroju afaik

switched letters heh

go on then, I'll watch the MoneroTalk - who forgot to turn notifications off on their phone? :D

So, as the hashrate of p2pool increases, does that reduce the likelihood of landing a share if you have a low hashrate? Or does the luck chance remain the same?

nevermind, just got to that part of the talk. Would be good to see p2pool-industrial and p2pool-lite

had a bunch of WARNING 2021-09-12 14:00:15.4174 SideChain add_external_block: block is built on top of an unknown mainchain block a2e977bb115139dc11ec6d1df2bf28e7250d04694c2be79437ca8aded3092c56, mainchain reorg might've happened over night is there something I need to do or something that will clear up?

should catch up as long as you are getting blocks from monerod Hisha

if it keeps going for a while, either you or a p2pool peer has desynced

noticed I missed out on the last 2 blocks and had no recent shares so I rebooted and restarted both monerod and p2pool so hopefully fixes that

if I get the code correctly if enough people will change their config.json... (full message at libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…323c6db52e23cac4e869b95db3a6273da3e)

or changing pplns_window to, let's say 6k and mining on 2 chains at once? would that work?

that won't do much CzarekNakamoto[m as it will place you into another sidechain

and you will not get rewards or hashrate from main one

But if half of the hashrate go to one chain and half to the other?

window = number of shares ~= number of total possible outputs

if you increase window too much it just creates more outputs

and less space for actual monero transactions

changing time just shortens window or increases it for same share count

ah right.. how about adjusting the block_time?

(sorry for asking dumb quesiton)

that just denotes how long in hours the window is, on average

it's a chain that self-adjusts

will that affect the difficulty?

so all that matters is actual hashrate

more miners = more difficulty, less miners = less difficulty

all that matters

less miners ofc also means less blocks found on-chain

so you will get paid less

it will not be "Easier"

Hm okay

as you will then get main chain blocks according to how much total hashrate you have

Also, what will happen when everybody switch to p2pool mining?

creating an alternate one for lower hashrate ones might be fine, leave parameters as is and just set a password

wouldn't that make diff much higher?

in the end if you ever find a share

and everyone is in p2pool

that share will give you payouts for about 6h every ~2m

cause as p2pool hashrate increases also number of mainchain payouts increases accordingly, on average

But monero block time is 2 minutes, right? and if we assume that every block is found by p2pool, it will mean that only 12 p2pool block were mined in the window between blocks, right?

vs a sidechain for lower hashrate that might find blocks on average each ~6h, you will get for each share you find about one on average

yes CzarekNakamoto[m but shares keep counting even if a block is found

all your shares (and uncles) for 2160 sidechain blocks

one share can give many payouts across the whole window

so for one share I would get many payouts if the blocks were found fast enough?

(or none, if p2pool chain finds no mainchain blocks)

if the "mainchain" blocks were found fast enough yes

so, higher p2pool hashrate = more main chain blocks found

I found one share last night and got 3 payouts, so it balances out nicely

That would mean that I'd get much higher reward but less often

as mentioned, it averages out

while if you make a small p2pool you might get many shares, but no payouts in a long time

solo mining also averages out, but for somebody with a laptop and 3khs it may take ages to find a block

yep, think of this as solo mining with higher chance to get a payout

So the probability of getting one payout is solo/2160? Right?

not excactly, that would be if everyone was on p2pool

look at current hashrate of p2pool

can't do the math atm,

hm okay! Thank you very much! I'll try to figure things on the go ;p. Thanks!

wasn't there a entry for your hashrate between these two lines in status or was that removed? Side chain hashrate = 56.719 MH/s

PPLNS window = 2160 blocks (+87 uncles, 0 orphans)

Side chain hashrate = 56.935 MH/s

Your hashrate (pool-side) = 223.738 KH/s

PPLNS window = 2160 blocks (+87 uncles, 5 orphans)

do you have shares found Hisha ?

hmm not showing for me anymore

no shares currently so maybe that's it?

yep

> (hashrate_est ? "\nYour hashrate (pool-side) = " : "") << (hashrate_est ? log::Hashrate(hashrate_est) : log::Hashrate()) <<

it's hidden if no shares

same as the position indicators

oh ok

guess my luck just sucks today

hm. running on a 4GB vps might be pushing it...

total used free shared buff/cache available

Mem: 3942 3557 93 0 291 174

this "your shares position" view, where can I see it?

Inge: once you find a share, it will show up when you execute "status"

it says Shares found = 3

are those shares I found?

yes, but probably during first sync at lower difficulty, so they don't count towards current PPLNS window Inge

look at "Your shares" instead of "Shares found"

that makes sense

Inge you could run the p2pool in light mode to reduce memory usage

What are the downsides?

Inge if you grep "SHARES FOUND" p2pool.log you can see the shares you've found if the diff is really low they're "fake" shares from the sync.

slower pow check time Inge but you won't be checking many per second

I could just host p2pool somewhere else - it was just easy to set it up on the vps :D

does it make much diff whether or not the p2p port is exposed to the internet?

better syncing with others as they can use you for connections

ack

so basic question.

even though we run our own pool with our own workers, the load is still shared on blocks by other nodes?

because my measly 3 kh/s haven't paid anything out.

and it's been running for 4 days.

-- so for now i've set it to use xmrvsbeasts test node, and set xmrig on localhost mining.

maybe i'm lacking something.

You could just be unlucky. I'm running a similar hashrate (4kh/s average) and haven't got anything for a few days. wssh

QuickBASIC: but you have gotten something, correct?

Yeah, but it was when the diff was a bit lower.

i'm setting a pool diff of 10033 because if i don't, i don't get any shares, period.

also the wallet adress i'm using is not on the server i'm running the software from, it's the gui wallet on a seperate machine, so i assume that's fine.

As long its not sub address or integrated address, it doesn't matter

You mean on your miner with xmrig -u x+10033, right? That won't change how often you get payouts, just make stratum stats more accurate.

wssh, just checking, you didn't change anything in config.json right?

wssh: changing difficulty doesn't "give" more shares, remember, you are mining a sidechain

don't change config.json, that creates your own sidechain and you don't share any hashrate with others, basically you are solomining

i did not change config.json and yes QuickBASIC that command for xmrig exactly.

wssh Perfect just checking to be sure. You're probably just unlucky. That hr should get you 1 share every 72 hours or so.

and as for the wallet inquery; it is the primary address in the wallet gui from getmonero.org.

just so you know, that will not give more sidechain shares wssh, just get better hashrate reporting

and yes you don't need any wallet configured on monerod

just have an address on p2pool

everything is running locally. :)

well, except now i'm running on xmrvsbeast test node.

curently running on 2 of these.

Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2620 0 @ 2.00GHz

with 48 gb ram.

v0s, sad

DDR3 I guess?

yes.

it is a nice Product Name: PowerEdge T620

:)

bit old, but hey i got it for $30

and since then have mined 30 in XMR with it.

Hello! Does this channel have logs? I'd like to dive in to past discussions about p2pool before possibly asking questions that have been answered before. Link if possible? Thanks!

on matrix.org #monero-pow:libera.chat iirc

EDad: libera.monerologs.net/monero-pow/20210912

no need to have Matrix

Perfect guys! I'll be back I'm sure. I've got some catching up to do. Cheers!

right

still getting WARNING 2021-09-12 17:07:12.2232 SideChain add_external_block: block is built on top of an unknown mainchain block cf280d789367b5093e5a93e9d6d9e254951564874d111506b3648f6e2c4e039d, mainchain reorg might've happened

Mining reward = your hr/network and it all averages out no matter what. The problem is that almost all miners have a relatively low hr so variance makes it necessary to use a pool.

p2pool is a decentralized pool with more frequent and smaller payouts

Better to get a dollar a day than to mine for a year with no payment

Inge: r u using the internet?

what's the internet?

More and smaller sounds like less variance

how many Hisha / how often

that came about an hour after the last one

ignore

Inge: it's a matter of debate

it will just happen

sometimes you get blocks later than other peers

at 100k h/r I should be getting some shares, haven't gotten anything but that for half a day at this point

what is your full output of "Status"

status*

2021-09-12 17:15:27.7518 SideChain status

Main chain height = 2447940

Main chain hashrate = 2.896 GH/s

Side chain height = 105442

Side chain hashrate = 60.742 MH/s

PPLNS window = 2160 blocks (+83 uncles, 0 orphans)

Your shares = 0 blocks (+0 uncles, 0 orphans)

Block reward share = 0.000% (0.000000000000 XMR)

2021-09-12 17:15:27.7519 StratumServer status

Hashrate (15m est) = 115.012 KH/s

Hashrate (1h est) = 110.782 KH/s

Hashrate (24h est) = 112.536 KH/s

Total hashes = 471300831

Shares found = 16

Average effort = 61.979%

Current effort = 75.986%

Connections = 26 (26 incoming)

2021-09-12 17:15:27.7519 P2PServer status

Connections = 11 (3 incoming)

Peer list size = 154

2021-09-12 17:15:27.7519 Util no background jobs running

well that is indeed the full output :)

maybe can use a paste site next time

hmm, you have set custom difficulty on stratum right?

like user 'x+100000' or alike

yeah think I'm at 500k

do you have any "SHARE FOUND" on logs?

not today

you can use paste.debian.net for large amounts

given you have avg effort lower than current effort you might have gotten some

I only see three valid there

and you have restarted p2pool a few times, I guess, to get those extra shares

yeah restarted a few times and even reinstalled monerod

30-32 are the good shares)

> 0.983%

"unlucky" :>

I don't see anything wrong firsthand, besides you got very unlucky?

you see regular "P2Pool new miner data" entries right?

or "P2Pool new main chain block"

yes

Re the difficulty for slow miners - I've set mine based on their hash rate * 30

Should I not do that and leave the difficulty to be the default?

it's fine, you will get some hashrate reporting URoRRuRRR[m]

Slow being 2kh or less

you don't "have to" but it's nice to see report on p2pool

default would be, not report anything but matching shares

Got it, thanks DataHoarder

ah yes, magic smoke for 0.01xmr, worth it

something got cooked, not yet sure what

alright, let's see if bot works for notifying new blocks, maybe in a few hours?

finally :) landed a share while I'm awake :D

pauliouk: what hashrate are you running?

at best, 7Kh/s

average ~6500h/s

pauliouk same for me and I got my first share this morning :)

nice, congratulations URoRRuRRR - hope you're liking the p2pool :)

in an ideal world I'd love to land about 8 shares in one window, then have someone drop a 1gh/s rented hash botnet onto the node :P

still waiting on that first magic share

whats your hashrate Inge?

~50Kh/s

should come soon enough, and plenty of them

I'd be happy with 1 share a day :D... and a pool block every 3 minutes

it feels like a XMRvrsBeast raffle win when I land a share heh

I have 5 machines of various hashrates connected to one instance of p2pool that is working off of my blockchain. Should I be using p2pool for each xmrig instead?

that's fine

nope, one p2pool node should be enough

so long as there's no huge latency between the machines?

shouldn't matter much

given we have uncles

true true

They are on the same network so latency is 0. My concern is should I set the diff for each machine according to thier capability? And how often should each machine be sending results?

Because clearly my little laptop can't work as fast as my better machines. Does p2pool send the same jobs to the varied machines?

30 x their hashrate = difficulty

Wont help with p2pool tho, just makes stats better and optimizes your local network usage

set the difficulties on each xmrig instance

Just trying to get my head around all this. Please forgive me :) I see p2pool sending jobs to 5 clients, and xmrig receiving those jobs right away. But are they the same jobs even if each machine has thier own custom diffs?

each client gets unique jobs

That was helpful. I'm horrible about being clear in my questions. It seems I have set everything up correctly. But this time in between shares gets my mind racing and wondering if something is wrong or could be improved.

lucky-bot will now post new blocks found automatically on #p2pool-log, in addition, you can subscribe to receive notifications when shares are found

nice work DataHoarder!

I was tempted to edit the p2pool api code so it'd display the blocks with even more colour, and supress some of the other output. if something wasn't working right, I'd still have to check the logs to see what was up

yeah... I went overboard and now it backs stuff to a postgres db

and follows reorgs when they happen

I didn't get a single share in 36 hours

with 8.8 kh/s

Current effort = 201.068%

\i haven't either

ouch sech1. Would have hoped luck would have been more on your side :O

might end up making a simple web interface with this later on, so you can track your progress

but yesterday I got 2 shares and 3 blocks paid for them :P

same this morning for me sech1, 3 payouts from 2 blocks

and my mac is still submiting shares with invalid job ids. piece of shit

Same, 2 shares 3 blocks yesterday. Nothing since.

you can subscribe either by private message to "lucky-bot" or message on #p2pool-log ".subscribe PAYOUT_ADDRESS", would recommend doing this on an alternate nick (reminder again that payout addresses are public in p2pool)

80 uncles, 5 orphans

seems to be growing

more towards that bot later on, time to prepare for work

It's problems with monerod synchronization. Sometimes my node receives new Monero block 10-15 seconds after other nodes. If same happens to XvB's node, it will orphan other p2pool blocks

ping me if you have questions about it

sech1: 97% effort so far.

this is what a share found looks like irc.gammaspectra.live/22ed5b4fb6063014/image.png (via DM)

uncles are also reported, untested cause I'm waiting for one

and if XvB is reading this don't subscribe to this, gets rate limited by libera heh

hey, if you're using the logrotate config I pasted here before, need to add either nocompress or delaycompress

otherwise it screws up

hi everybody

an example of the bot reporting blocks found irc.gammaspectra.live/6df7b8409ac35b4d/image.png

hmm monero-project/monero #6688 this might be interesting for using p2pool, that said, given all outputs are still marked to your address specifically, it might not matter

(Separate coinbase and non-coinbase rings)

<DataHoarder> "and if XvB is reading this don't..." <- lol, would drive me nuts

Later on I can have more than “you got a share” but “you got a payout”

is the room available on matrix?

Oh? I don’t know how that works, can you join it? Or how does the bridging work

Is it on libera.chat server?

that is bridged, but I am not seeing it

Yes it is here

#p2pool-log but unknown how they implemented the bridging or how they show channels

only monero-pow shows up when searching "p2pool"

might be something else that needs to be done to have it come over...?

Maybe you need to join it manually

> You can currently reach any channel on libera.chat by joining #<channel_name>:libera.chat.

So try using /join

worked, thanks!