the p2pool hashrate is insane considering the amount of workers

the average miner has like 2mh/s

oh, looks like one of the 30 active addresses has 70mh/s

wonder if theyre trying to promote the pool on the charts/faster blocks for the rest of us, or just running a botnet

pretty sure it has to be xmrvsbeast address lol

oh they route others hashes through p2pool? would make sense then

either way its a good thing for p2pool

no I think he rents hashrate to the pool just so the pool finds blocks faster.

bless

im surprised so few people use the pool still but the barrier of entry of running your own node is kinda high

I got all my friends who casually mine to run their own p2pool nodes and hook up to my monero node so we're like 5 of those 30 active miners, as the other 5 dont have enough hash power for shares in the window

join the p2pool bonus HR raffle to get a piece of that hash ;)

as for the barrier to entry, it would be nice if some windows wiz packaged up an installer with everything configured as it should be so new people can just click through and have monerod/p2pool set up and ready to go

assuming they have enough disk space on main C: drive?

do you have to port forward at all? probably not if your node is just a reciever

well it could ask where do you want to store the chain and say drive C: does not have the space

yes you do not need to port forward just to mine

abberant[m]: it's peer 2 peer. data flow is bidirectional regardless

outgoing connections are sufficient

if you don't port forward thru your firewall, then you can only connect to other nodes that *have* forwarded thru theirs

so it's always better for overall network health to do it, and allow other nodes to reach you

yes, that is true, however people using an installer will not do that anyway

but as long as you can reach someone else's node, it will work

so let's leave that to power users

I got 10 XMR for anyone who can do this properly

I wonder if people who care enough to benefit from using p2pool over trusting a pool operator would be too lazy to figure out how to run the stuff themselves though, otherwise 130 gigs is a pretty big sacrifice

prob set it up for pruning. only 30gigs then\

it would use pruned chain by default

yeah

but I'm always wary of making it too easy. better to encourage people to learn a little bit more, than cater to them in complete ignorance

agree, however if safe, sensible defaults are enforced many more will actually learn in the long term

than if it is too complicated to even start

i'm not too sure of that. if it's a 1-click install it and it just works, they will never think of it again

I mean in that case if theyre only going to bother with 1 click installs then its better that they give their hashpower to their own node than someone else

but at the same time, running all the nodes and 30g is a sacrifice that I dont feel the majority of people who only bother with 1 click installs will make if they can just trust a pool operator

a nice gui window pops up with tabs, monero, p2pool, xmrig with some basic options as check boxes, it will be easier than mining at a pool

I wonder why more people dont use p2pool rn, I would guess its the node setup tho, majority of it is probably complication rather than lack of computer resources, so in that case it would be a good idea

xmrvsbeast[m]: this is true

I have been answering p2pool questions everyday from mostly windows people for past 2 weeks

it's always windows people ...

I wonder if monero would ever implement a p2pool like system natively so that solo mining would be much easier

every software project I've ever been associated with, the big support burden is always windows

yeah I don't see any reason not to just integrate p2pool directly into monerod

imagine replying to reddi comment with try p2pool and a link to the trusted installer, there would be 1000 miners on there in 2 months

*reddit

xmrvsbeast[m]: youre starting to win me over :/

hyc: smart people should make like a css proposal for this

would be awesome to be able to natively solo mine with fast payouts

<xmrvsbeast[m]> "a nice gui window pops up with..." <- would be fun to do this. unfortunately I have exams from tomorrow onwards

trusted installer - that could be tricky in itself. we'd need a completely separate setup for signing/verifying the binaries and the total package

yes ideal would e integrated into GUI wallet release, but I think that would be more difficult than a standalone installer

hyc: people could just do that manually if they care?

plus it would take 2.5 years

and then we'll be inundated with the inevitable "couldn't get it to work" because antivirus quarantined the whole package

xmrvsbeast[m]: "official" software got a reputation for being slow? only been apart of the community for half a year so wouldnt know

hyc: lol

might be easier just to make it a linux vm

there ya go

nah, it'd be horrible for performance

not much point in mining that way

is wsl like that?

I'm not sure how well wsl performs, haven't tested it

could just run nodes in there but why at that point

just need to run 3 executables with options?

well, you need to generate a wallet at some point

so you need to throw wallet-cli in there too at least once

or monero-gui if that's the only thing users will understand

for privacy on p2pool?

I think leave the wallet out of it, have users input their wallet address in GUI

yes, you don't want to mine directly to your main wallet

^

there is enough out there how to use moenro wallet, the wallet GUI is easy enough to create a new wallet

yeah, if people care about new wallet they can just make a new one themselves and plug in address

just a simple check to make sure it is primary account address

keep the scope limited, maybe just monerod and p2pool then an instruction slide on how to point xmrig at it

that might be better

since most are already familiar with xmrig

esp since they could run xmrig on multiple PCs

yes, point your miners at this address (....) example xmrig -o .....

I'm thinking, if going to the trouble of making a 1-clock node like this, also bundle in tor and i2pd

then monerod will have in and out conns regardless of firewall

I think xmrig should be part of the gui, its complicated if youre not familiar with that kinda stuff. xmrig with gui got some traction on r/moneromining

if p2pool also supported tor/i2p then no firewall concerns at all

especially if first time miners are told to use p2pool

for sure, it would be a bonus to have xmrig integrated but not crittical

windows people really love GUI, if they can see it they will click it ;)

then have it spit out gui xmrig pre-configured for them to put on other computers on their network and it connects to the p2pool node

using tor/2p will probably make uncle shares skyrocket

hmm, maybe I can look into having that installer and some power shell magic, but it has been years :’)

used to maintain one for an open source game server/service software

<DataHoarder> "hmm, maybe I can look into..." <- nice :)

DataHoarder, It might be easier nowadays, because WSL2 and Docker desktop have direct integration. Really you just have to have them enable WSL2 windows component, install Ubuntu from store, and run your existing docker in it. I definitely don't have the chops to make that happen though.

WSL2 is a VM indeed, WSL1 is nasty windows Kernel

Yeah but if it's just running monerod and p2pool the performance it isn't that bad. If you open the ports to the WSL instance they can mine on Windows to it.

WSL2 is running a real kernel using hyperV so the performance isn't nearly as bad as WSL1.

yeah VM is better in that area at least, HW-accelerated

I run most things on VMs already, even xmrig :)

But IMO running another operating system in a VM and then running Docker on top of it and then pointing miner... Too many points of failure and would be hard to support for Windows users.

I see it as "fine" if they want to get it running, but not the default way tbh

You can pass a command to bash.exe to run something inside of WSL, so literally an installer could be made to enable the Windows component for WSL2, and open ports, the the heavy lifting is deploying the docker and that could be done inside of the VM.

Then they can have a nice windows shortcut to bash.exe that starts the docker inside of the VM. The just point miner.

maybe once there is a Monero official release with the RPC pr, otherwise building monerod as it's doing now will either take too long or run out of memory

cant it just use monerod from p2pool release?

oh with rpc nvm

there are a few issues with it :)

this specifically builds just monerod of all the set of targets you can pick, without using all cores it takes too long on CI :)

xmrig and docker don't do well on the same windows machine

sech1 I was suggesting running xmrig.exe natively and deploying p2pool in docker as a possible suggestion for Windows users to having issues running everything. (XvB indicated this has been a pain point for his username). Not running xmrig in docker container.

s/username/userbase

even when xmrig runs natively, it can't use MSR if docker is installed

What? Why?

Like Docker desktop for Windows?

But yeah DataHoarder, as you said when there's an official update to monerod things are a lot easier.

QuickBASIC: Docker Desktop is basically VMs

DataHoarder> QuickBASIC: Docker Desktop is basically VMs <--- I'm not sure I know enough about docker to know what the difference is. On Windows, they're all VMs right, but they've added the ability to run docker inside WSL2 from docker desktop on Windows.

on Linux they are not "vms" but containers

on windows, it starts a VM running linux, then uses that for containers

Anyway, all I'm saying is I agree that this is easier for Windows users once Monero is updated because Windows users that can't figure out how to run monerod can just point their at a remote node that is open, right? Then they just open p2pool.exe and open xmrig.exe from shortcuts on their desktop and walk away.

It'd be helpful if cmdline options were supported in a config for p2pool à la xmrig, so you could distribute a p2pool config with the zmq-pub pointed at a remote node if you're XvB and have a userbase that can't figure it out. So he could just say, download this config to the same folder as p2pool.exe add your payment address and run it. Voila!

Because apparently changing a cmdline parameter is hard for Windows users?

<--- I don't get it because I remember needing to change IRQ parameters in config.sys to get my sound card to work. These gen-z windows users (my kids included) struggle to understand the concept of a filesystem.

remember kids, git is an object-storage filesystem with a bolted version control system on top :)

if going the docker way might as well just give them a Hyper-V template image

running docker will just complicate things for your "avarage joe"

If they can't run at least one extra app (p2pool) then they shouldn't be mining

just provide simple setup with p2pool.exe included with batch that runs it against list of known monero nodes

those who want to dip their feet in more advanced stuff another setup can be provided (not docker approach)

imo

<jaska087> If they can't run at least one extra app (p2pool) then they shouldn't be mining <----- You had the courage to say what I couldn't lol.

lol, but yeah I just hate baby feeding people who have no interest troubleshooting their setup.

I think the best solution, would be for p2pool to be built into monerod and the GUI, so users can just click start mining, and advanced users could point xmrig at their own node.

jaska087: lol, but yeah I just hate baby feeding people <--- Yeah I was flummoxed when XvB Said his users were hounding him about the batch file I put in the readme, because I just assumed users would change the '.' to the full path before running it.

Docket install on Windows makes the whole system run in VM, so xmrig can't use MSR mod

*Docker

Or at least cd into the correct directory.