<pauliouk> "I know this isn't the place..." <- Price has effect on who mines

BotNets, Miners, no difference as far as XMR is concerned, all just more work being done :)

<pauliouk> "BotNets, Miners, no difference..." <- Then why were ASICS booted 🤣 it got replaced by centralised botnets 😅

s/Then/Than/

Are you claiming one botnet close to 50% of the hash rate ?

moneromooo: Single operator

Evidence ?

moneromooo: Same like asic, trust me bro

The evidence is the same as for asics ? That makes no sense. What are you saying ?

If a botnet (or several with the same operator) is close to 50%, that is a good argument for doing something abut those.

moneromooo: I am saying, a single operator can be having majority hashrate or can get if and when needed

Yes, I got that. Can you share the evidence for the claim ?

moneromooo: No, same like I was not able to enter Chinese datacenter while ASICS where around

Are you a conspiracy theorist ?

Or is this a language barrier thing ?

moneromooo: I don’t need to be, it’s theoretically possible to get as much hashrate possible with botnets

moneromooo: Yah I come from Antarctica

Ah. You are claiming that is is not impossible it could happen, rather than it actually happened ?

Right. I am being trolled maybe.

moneromooo: It could already have happened, are you waiting for 51% attack before taking any steps ?

No, though it might come to that. I think the threshold is "reasinalbe likelihood".

Just "it is possible" is a pretty dumb threshold, since so many things are possible.

moneromooo: Theoretically, any gov just needs companies to push a update with xmr mining bot and we are done

So given the estimated likelihoods and the benefits given, it seems like it's best to leave htem alone for now.

Is this an argyments against.. what ?

moneromooo: Please tell me how are 100k-1mil pcs mining monero when it’s not profitable? Unless they are mostly all botnets

moneromooo: What happened to commodity mining ? Is botnet now a commodity which anyone has access to ? If so please feel free to post guides on it

I think you're just starting off several ideas and not thinkig them through, just throwing the first thought about those thne switching to the next.

OK, I like giving people a chance before the /ignore. Job done.

🙏🏻

Maybe the smart ones don’t want to open their mouth, while they keep mining with their bots

Anyways continue

Or maybe they see the flaws in your arguments, but are put off by your dismissive tone that ignores any attempt of reasoning

You've been making these empty claims for weeks, purely seeking confirmation

Assuming you're talking to nik83, it's the clear gish gallop that tells me it's likely a troll.

There was a claim. I asked for evidence. It then became "possible", which pretty much everything is. Then morphed into conspiracy stuff (going into a chinese warehouse), and request for me to explain a few things, rapid fire. Sealed the deal.

I mean, the previous chat from htem was low quality, but there was still a chance, you know.

Gish gallop -> smoking gun.

Yeah, he's been repeating this stuff for weeks in multiple rooms

Looks like he left now

I swear, if that cat stands on the power button on my laptop one more time, it's getting banned from sitting on my nice warm mining boxes

So, the only way I can see a state sponsored attack against the Monero network 1) being possible and 2) being considered would be if there was sufficient reason to believe that a state foe was using Monero for transferring ill gotten gains in order to finance some form of malicious attack against said state.

Would need to be some kind of malware on the level of stuxnet that somehow included the required binaries to mine randomx and remain undetected by every anti-malware/anti-virus/anti-detection/anti-everything app out there as the moment it's noticed it'll be thwarted by ISP's and IT manufacturers in a heart beat.

Such an attack would work or not regardless of whether botnets are mining. This is evidence the asker was not in good faith.

possible? Yeah sure, everything is possible. Likely? Incredibly unlikely - I'd sooner put a bet on XMR being worth $10,000 a piece by the end of this week than I would of that happening anytime in the next 5 years

now... someone working in the ARM development department... with the ability to implement 1GB of L3 cache to a batch of 256 core ARM9 processors for the intention of building some kind of CPU tailored for mining randomx at a decent rate and churning a few thousand of them out with the hardware to handle it...

probably more likely to happen

but still so far from the reaches of reality that it does not bare thinking about

some bad actor pwning Samsung, Google, Motorola, Xiaomi and Huawei's android update servers to push out a randomx miner in the next upgrades... more likely to happen, but again borderlines of reality.

one android device might get on average say 500h/s. so 20 million devices would be around the 45% global hashrate

Low-end androids struggle to get close to 500 H/s

Also you'd need at least 3-4x more devices than that, if you wanted to k mount an attack that lasted more than 12-24h

(Because all their batteries would be draining very quickly, with all that heavy cpu usage and network traffic (not the actual data usage, but the fact that they'd need a persistent internet connection, and mobile connections cause significant drain on the battery too))