Speaking of minimum fees: is the minimum fee (greater than 0) 1 piconero/byte or 1 piconero/tx?

It is 0.

Right, but what's the next increment?

Any amount is valid.

Ok, so the smallest non-zero fee is 1 piconero/tx

I was asking because it occured to me that I could do the same kind of security analysis (from the pov of tx fees supporting the network hashrate) as I'm doing for Bitcoin

The tail emission is nice because it provides a stable income, but a malicious actor could try to force prolonged period of block growth, forcing the blocksize to the maximum and forcing the reward penalty to 100%

But this penalty would only affect the attacker (and any miners that "trust" their nodes/pools), so the rest of the network could keep operating as usual in a sustainable way

Sounds like a self defeating action.

I'm thinking in terms of trying to destabilize the stability of the mining network

The reward penalty, on its own, has the side-effect of decreasing the mining incentive, thus reducing the maximum network size that could be supported by it

So a strong sustained growth would decrease the security of the network at a critical moment of increased usage

Luckily we have the small "penalty-free" zone that allows a miner to include a few extra txes without incurring in a net loss, so small sustained growth is possible without any repercussions on the mining security

I'm planning to take a deeper look into this in the future (once I'm done with the current projects), but I thought I'd throw it out there in case anyone has any inputs on the topic

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Hi atoc

what's going on

I have more free time these days to contribute!

dced, do we still have a chat archive?

atoc: libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20220509

you could also get a matrix account, matrix has bridges to the monero IRC rooms

will do

I didn't miss anything so that's good

what have you been working on UkoeHB seems like there's a lot of stuff

I think starting off developing will help me transition into research

atoc: I have been working on my seraphis proof of concept (and trying to get monero multisig working).

Can you provide more details on the Seraphis PoC?

there may be something I can help out with

the code is here: github.com/UkoeHB/monero/tree/seraphis_lib

I am just building it up piece by piece. This week I am writing an input selection solver (select inputs to cover output amount + fee).

One thing on my todo is to investigate using Curve25519 for the sender-receiver DH exchange. Most of it is just adding the library/interface to use Curve25519 if you want to look into it

atoc: lots of good info here if you want to dig into something else as well: monero-project/research-lab #94

atoc: here is a reference point for what I want to do gist.github.com/tevador/50160d160d2…ment_id=4049913#gistcomment-4049913

atoc: also, if you want to join Matrix instead of IRC, you can follow one of the guides here: forum.monero.space/d/83-join-the-monero-core-team-matrix-server

I also have 'more verbose exception messages' if you want something menial lol.

thanks for the resources sethforprivacy and UkoeHB

will read through it

and yes I should make a matrix account

have you considered using discord?

Discord is closed source, cannot be self-hosted and does not support e2e encryption.

but they have a discord server, listed in the "Join the Monero Core Team Matrix server" page

I'm in it but it's not very active