Monero-project is official

Everything submit to GitHub has to go through monero-project

"Isnt is supposed to he decentralized" is naive. Do you think any and all code is merged?

Monero-project/monero-site is the OFFICIAL WEBSITE REPO

> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Monero-project is official

>

> Everything submit to GitHub has to go through monero-project

so getmonero.org is The Monero Project's website but not Monero.

Monero-project is monero

You can fork, run your own custom nodes, code whatever, but monero-project is the official everything.

Official wallet, official website, official node and node management software and official development environment - where all code is merged

> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> You can fork, run your own custom nodes, code whatever, but monero-project is the official everything.

> Official wallet, official website, official node and node management software and official development environment - where all code is merged

in that case monero would be centralized (like zcash)

You're wildly confused

Zcash does what they want. Monero-project hosts meetings and users such as yourself are free to help decide the fate of any and all changes

> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> You can fork, run your own custom nodes, code whatever, but monero-project is the official everything.

> Official wallet, official website, official node and node management software and official development environment - where all code is merged

instead forking network i can make my own implementation of Monero

So go for it, make sure people use it

Nothing stopping anyone from forking monero and cresting their own nodes.

Ive been running a custom implementation for months

ofrnxmr[m]: still monero-project can do what they want too?

Monero-project = me you and everyone else

ofrnxmr[m]: I hope it happens in the future. Monero shouldn't have centralized development

You need consensus

like how bitcoin cash does.

Wrong room. Care to take this to #monero-community:monero.social

how do you imagine decentralized devlopment to work?

hardenedsteel: as I understand, the "long term goal" of monero-project is to be pristine and decentralized, with no compromise. Whichever version of Monero i.e. call it Monero or Monero cash. The one with consensus wins. And most importantly, consensus there is support of community, devs and miners.

If you think you can satisfy the above criteria, by all means go for it.

No idea who's merging but I'm planning on posting a picture of a Birthday cake on my PR when it hits 1 year old in a few months.

Sorry. I was responding to an old question in this channel and just realized it was asked in July because I haven't used this client in months.

getmonero.org/community/merchants/#exchanges lists godex; godex does not allow xmr swaps (at least right now, just checked)

morphtoken.com also heads up, morphtoken is dead/down? maybe someone should talk to the creator and ask what is going on

Theres a PR already to address those if im not mistaken

Sorry i was thinking about this one (not exchanges) monero-project/monero-site #2012

Theres a back story to this exchanges page (it became hard to maintain) and i think its not here to stay? Whats the future direction of the merchants/exchanges page? Hm

removing the exchanges page sounds like a good idea imo

The initial idea was to make it a place where to host merchant directories, but at the end it was decided to host also swappers and centralized exchange. There should be an issue somewhere. I think we should only remove the "Centralized exchanges (CEXs) & Swappers" section, but that's me

that makes sense

there's more up-to-date information on the subreddits when it comes to CEXs and swappers tbh

plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org:

"Regarding exchanges being listen on getmonero.org, a link to kycnot.me/?xmr=on should suffice.... (full message at libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…a6a30e479082a2d6b2788e8a1b93931e06f)

Kycnotme seems good to be included. Just note, kycnot.me is run by a single individual "afaik", and he/she updates it every once in a while. There is work involved & it may miss to keep up with up-to-date information & is run via donation. Just a heads up for the future.

Last update was 2 weeks ago and it appears to be open source.

They list morphtoken, so.. not sure how accurate the info is.

I remember interacting with the person behind kycnotme on Reddit a while ago, and he/she told the page isn't always upto date, but does his best. So, this info.might be amiss.

Personally, I have no issue with removing any and all cex that fud monero.

So binance to the 🚮..

I think that's the way to go. People need to slowly but surely move towards non-kyc/dex' exchange, even though it's a path of resistance for many users today.

I would like to see included community initiatives (with the appropriate disclaimer) rather than restraining ourselves to centralized entities even if they are more "official" & "accurate"

There will simply not be a single source of truth, and we should communicate users tjat

Monero.com now has a banner at the top of the site as promised

Along with our willingness to sell the domain at-cost to the Core Team if desired, I believe that addresses all major concerns

looks good to me, I hope some of the other concerns can also be addressed, but they are less urgent

e.g. renaming it to "recommended by Cake Labs"

at cost = 4x what's in hacker one

Not working here :P

(😬😬😬😬 one of these days yall will let me test before releases 😅)

Chrome, brave, mull (Firefox) all the same rendering issue.

android, of course...

weird it looked correct for me in firefox and safari, even with JS disabled

oh i can see the issue on mobile

we can fix it for mobile but you need to stop complaining when we get bullied into a quick feature release (with a threat to delist us from the main site entirely), and then also complain that the quick untested version has bugs

<nioc> "at cost = 4x what's in hacker..." <- I believe, while ideally the core team would have it, this does go both ways

In that by saying it should be what's in hackerone (which you weren't, but I need some number here), you're asking for a 300k donation

*so again, you were highlighting cost, not suggesting that. The issue is it does go both ways if that comment tries to be used to suggest a cost

cost of website was 400k

my comment / question was generally about priorities

not complaining, you are getting quick feedback, for free

for something that obviously should have been there from day one

complaining ^^

<sgp[m]1> "we can fix it for mobile but you..." <- Its been broken since release day.

Nobody bullied you or gave you a timeline

Since the day monero.com new interface was released.

(Not complaining.. would you rather I stfu and pretend I didnt see a bug 3 seconds after clicking the link)

<selsta> "looks good to me, I hope some of..." <- Thanks Selsta for your cool headed and constructive feedback rather than jumping to conclusions and making assumptions on what our real "intentions" were. We will do what is recommended and of course the domain is ready for sale to the core team and core team only. I am also open to the idea of selling it on the open market at no loss to me.

and thanks fluffypony for taking the time to discuss with me one on one.

Might be annoying.. but thats what I do.. I dont point out issues because I want to make someone look bad. Any issue ive ever brought up was to improve your product. . 🤷‍♂️

ofrnxmr[m]: its all good

this redesign may awesome for monero.com

Actually my wife would be happy if I sold off monero.com domain. She was quite upset when I bought it :)

what about the wallet name? isnt that in breach of monero's license?

would MyMonero also be a breach?

not unless they got permission first to use the name

is monero name copyrighted?

the copyright holder = The Monero Project

monero.com can't say their wallet is endorsed by the monero project, or by one of its contributors names

selsta: who is the monero project

hardenedsteel[m]: it's all the people who contributed to monero

at least to the source code

if we would relicense the project everyone who contributed would have to agree, or we wouldn't be allowed to relicense their code

selsta: i guess I'm contributor too but how I'm copyright holder too?

Did you contribute to the source code?

selsta: everybody? it doesn't seem possible.

ofrnxmr[m]: no

So read a lil

> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Did you contribute to the source code?

* no, i have a few contribution on website.

ofrnxmr[m]: read what?

hardenedsteel[m]: the website is not the monero source code

we are talking about this license specifically github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/LICENSE

selsta: as far i understand this license is about monero's C++ implementation not monero itself.

but r4v3r23[m] was talking about this license

selsta: so monero name is not copyrighted right?

we'd have sued 'Monero Classic' already i think xD

Doesn't appear to be, at least not in USA

I don't know what the core team did in detail

plowsof: makes sense, thanks much for answers.

there are also defensive uses for word trademarks and copyrights from what I know

what would happen if some malicious persons suddenly registers monero and says we aren't allowed to use it anymore?

Is it a legal issue over monero.com website ? Depends if people think monero.com = monero project and the "recommended wallet" is confused as being recommended by monero-project. The wallet using the the monero code doesnt help either.

I feel this is a non issue as we would likely never press legal charges

afaik fluffypony tried to register it but i have no further details

there is no legal issues, r4v3r23[m] said monero.com name is in breach of section 3 of the license, which i disagree with

Current Status:

ABANDONED

ABANDONED - AFTER INTER-PARTES DECISION

3/27/2015

this one is by fluffy from what I know

* >... (full message at libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…18f7ac035f90967250ca870ac69fa5a3867)

Also the logo

* >... (full message at libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…2cf17fd63d9029362d2da46de103983511d)

* We applied for a trademark, and it almost got accepted, but then the now-defunct Moneero company got in the way. In our discussions with the Software Freedom Law Centre, who defended us against Moneero's threats, we learnt that there is a thing in trademark law (US specifically, but many other countries... (full message at libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/do…cb43814e9c6d328704b4dd07ddbde4daa7e)

hardenedsteel[m]: this is quite outdated

selsta: well, what is the current status?

(These latest ones look like a patent troll)

which one?

These two

"Monero Distribution Corporation" is not a patent troll

ofrnxmr[m]: she is likely a trademark lawyer

I think I just mixed up the x correspondant (Jennifer Lee Taylor) with the filer

Yeah

hardenedsteel[m]: current status is an application for it