<m​onerobull:monero.social> Hello guys, I'm here to "bring this group back to life" aka start doing regularly scheduled meetings again. I was kind of thrown into this position by recent events so please let me know if you have any specific wishes. For now I'd like to hold an initial meeting to recap the current state of the website-workgroup. Do we have any preferences for weekdays / times?

<b​asses:matrix.org> Sir, this is monero

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> exactly this is monero. i'm not part of the workgroup but week-end seems to be the appropriate default

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> members of the workgroup have always been present in very different moments, in my experience. I think you'll have to wait a little time before having an answer from them

<m​onerobull:monero.social> luigi asked for a work-group and i will try to set one up #🫡

<m​onerobull:monero.social> luigi asked for a work-group and i will try to set one up 🫡

<m​onerobull:monero.social> yeah, website doesn't require THAT much live communication but we should still consider holding regular meetings, even if its for example only once every 3 weeks

<3​21bob321:monero.social> i can bring the fruit basket

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yummy yummy

<3​21bob321:monero.social> first on the agenda remove erc as admin here

<b​asses:matrix.org> 🍎

<m​onerobull:monero.social> that would make sense

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Hi.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Everything monerobull just said applies to me too. :P

<b​asses:matrix.org> Why an admin and not mod?

<b​asses:matrix.org> more Erc cases?

<b​asses:matrix.org> probably never but just in case

<b​asses:matrix.org> was monero redesign proposal accepted/merged?

<m​onerobull:monero.social> Negative

<b​asses:matrix.org> monero-website*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm so fucking frustrated.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/450#note_25232

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/470#note_25390

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 😿

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> just a heads-up, we've had merges to site, but as there is an upcoming monero release - site will be deployed for that, so we've no reason to request it from bF

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> merge list: 2 options, simplest is using ".merges" (xmr-pr) bot that is a list or PR numbers . other will be using githubs own for-purpose method github.com/orgs/monero-project/projects/1#card-66887764 (note that this will be discontinued has to be migrated to the new Projects experience.) the existing list on those cards is abandoned anyway so nothing of value will be lost after a reset

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> monerobull: when we having a meeting?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> We should contact that Monero Website CCS guy to join it as well.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> First on the docket should be whether we think there should be a new site at all. If so, should we swap out Jekyll with something else.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> relevant issue: suggesting a move to hugo monero-project/monero-site #2140

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> alot of the issues raised regarding the multiple language plugin holding us back can be fixed with some minor tweaks. as its abandonware, "maintaining our own version" (forking and using our own file) is do-able + bumping to latest ruby plowsof/monero-site #29

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> on the flip side: concerns about old ruby versions are not _that big of a deal_ as site can be built on a separate machine to the one hosting it (it is my best guess that this is happening already)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> so that would be my "we can stay on jekyll for longer" point of view

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I can plan it if you'd like. It's all good.

<m​onerobull:monero.social> i really dislike how monerokon meetings are always at dinner time saturdays

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> just gotta remember timezones. Weekends would still be best probably cuz many people have day jobs

<m​onerobull:monero.social> yeah, how about sunday 6pm UTC?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> sounds good to me. Everyone else ok with it?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> chch3003 ^^.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Lets go!

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Now need to hire someone to do the work

<3​21bob321:monero.social> To many chiefs, not enough indians

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> You're not wrong. We need to reach a consensus on that big point though. We want a full redesign? Just a light refresh? Tiny touch up?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I vote ms paint

<3​21bob321:monero.social> New site got nuked in ccs by core

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Resistance to change

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Diego Salazar I swear to god, I'm a huge UX/UI enjoyer and I just loved so much janaka's demo website. I even let a supportive message on github and all that. I lost 3 minutes of my life, telling how much I like a 1 star repository. We need a big revamp (in dark mode pls)

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Wear sunglasses

site can be redesigned to look amazaballs on jekyll. or hugo? instead of the thing specifically janaka wants to use

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Why so much hate against Astro ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it's shipping zero js, its SSG by default

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Sounds to spacey

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> SyntheticBird: I agree more than I disagree. When I first designed the current site I was really...hamstrung by the community. They really liked things having an amateur feel and wanted that kept to a degree.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Feels 90s looking

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The justification was that it kept the scammers and spammers away. They wouldn't waste their time with what was clearly a project that didn't care about optics.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Monero community is also chief

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Keep in mind, back then it was about ICOs and hyping coins, so it made sense.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I see

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> nowawdays it's NFTs. People don't get hyped for coins anymore anyways. They get hyped for platforms.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> And even that hype is bleeding away in favor of AI and stuff. Crypto is old news.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> So I'd be down for a "proper" website this time

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Will you retrain core?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> That seems to be pinch point

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Or centralized

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> glad to hear

90's sites have "change style" buttons that use a darkmode css file. so we're 80's

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> not undermining your past work tho

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Diego Salazar?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I think new site was nuked

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I made Cuprate website with Astro. I really enjoyed it, it's very popular, well maintained. I even had an issue and they responded over 12 hours

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I personally don't have anythinig against it as long as it can do static sites

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> they want a static site generator. Nothing dynamic. No JS on the front-end.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It's feel like a terrible misconceptions from people. It's a javascript written SSG with neat features like MDX (Markdown + JSX(HTML basically))

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> link to the cuprate website?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> cuprate.org

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Has to work with coolify, or not interested

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Plowsof^

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> cuprate.org only use js for ViewTransitions, tho it can be disabled

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I understand that a Javascript backend does not mean Javascript used in the front end.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> though JS as a whole is looked down on by the high and mighty devs of Monero

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thats cruel

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> (I agree javascript sucks)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> (But Astro is great)

<b​asses:matrix.org> fancy

<b​asses:matrix.org> blog looks corporate tho

jekyll's liquid sucks, js is straight forward enough to pick up (unless we dive into async promise typescript stuff)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> To get many people on board we gotta find a Rust static site generator

<b​asses:matrix.org> feels there was inspiration from janaka demo site

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> github.com/getzola/zola

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> its based on Template one. I liked the card design

liquid is used sparingly on site though .. a few loops / variables here and there

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Yes absolutely

<3​21bob321:monero.social> And also needs to work with mullvad browser

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> If its HTML/CSS it should work with Tor/Mullvad Browser up to Safer

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> If its HTML/CSS it should work with Tor/Mullvad Browser up to Safest

<b​asses:matrix.org> Tor browser*

<b​asses:matrix.org> on safest settings

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Plowsof is anti rust

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> iirc Tera template is very similar to Go html templates

<3​21bob321:monero.social> He will use wd40 on it

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Can we skip ahead, cause this has hashed out before

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Rb was here last time

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm not against it, but I think there is a lack of language server support. In case something change it will be pain to adapt across all the site

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm mostly joking about the rust

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I like Rust, but I'm not a RIIR guy

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/fdxfHzZjkfcLorCIGhIEQowz

rewrite it in ruby said nobody :(

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Some really believes that Ruby on Rails is the next-gen fullstack development

<b​asses:matrix.org> rewrite in php

<b​asses:matrix.org> so it gets seized

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Ruby was old news as of like 5 years ago

<e​scapethe3ra:matrix.org> monero.observer/monero-website-workgroup-meeting-28-july-2024 added to calendar (monero.observer/tag/calendar) maybe mb/rehrar can post a meta issue with agenda and stuff

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> kinda funny considering Github rewrote everything in Ruby as did a few others caught in the hype. Now they're stuck witth itt

semi related: sass css : allows you to have separate smaller css files for easier design. during the built process they are combined (and compressed) into one main.css file. we currently have a wallet2 size custom.css file

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> omg I know get why gitlab is written in Ruby

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> now*

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Rust took coding language darling away

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Astro support sass fwiw

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> it's proving to have a bit more sticking power than Ruby though, since the latter's spotlight lasted all of 2-3 years

jekyll supports sass out of the box we just dont use it lol

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> either way, off-topic. I just had opinions

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I like opinions

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm feeding on opinions

monero-project/monero-site #2324 and when you try to use it - it does not like our css file

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> May I request enabling discussion in Github site repo ? It's always a pleasure to see drama issues mixed with bug ones

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Gl

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> just dont turn our site into something like beldex.io

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> or thorchain.com

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I asked for docs repo to enable discussions 2 months ago maybe

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> or polkadot.network

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> they all look so mega "crypto"

<3​21bob321:monero.social> We are “digital cash”!

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Not that crypto shit

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> this one doesn't have a very obvious downloads button

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> which is really bad

<b​asses:matrix.org> most important part of the website

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> A Figma might help at designin the new site

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ik its adobe and shit but it can help

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> We can always use Penpot

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Oh my god I forgot about Penpot

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Are you able to self-host it ?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> they just had a big update too

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> yes, you can self-host it

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> shall I have pigeons deploy a monero instance?

<b​asses:matrix.org> for penpot?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> absolutely, what a better start for the website workgroup

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> its all about drafting and drawings after all

<b​asses:matrix.org> *Monero weblate flashbacks*

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> the translation site is a burning garbage dump

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thats rude

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> against the burning garbage dump

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> half of the stuff is already translated but not approved, the other half is google translate

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> They can't even use ChatGPT or LLama what a waste

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1608865 what would be a fair price for the community to acquire this domain?

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> i think that a 500xmr offer would not be unwarranted, but that's just my 2 cents.

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> i think it's still the same owner.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Website going offtopic, world ending

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Also i thought monerobull was website ceo and deigo was pa to community ceo?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> how much do we have in general fund rn?

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> a lot.

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> in 2020 it was at 5637, i dont think there have been any reports since...

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/VIoTvsxIotszqmRIGBySlzzT

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> 2021 i mean

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> 300 XMR

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> getmonero.org/2021/06/24/general-fund-2020-2021-report.html

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> oh wait, theres more recently updated info on the GF ofc.

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> the whole drama some months ago was well reported

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> nvm that was CCS not GF 😅

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/11fslu…fund_transparency_report_march_2023

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> this seems to be the most recent GF report, 8452 xmr

<c​harutocafe:matrix.org> no idea why it is only on reddit and not on getmonero

<3​21bob321:monero.social> We get transparency reports every red moon

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> So nice from the moon to wait for transparency reports to be red

<3​21bob321:monero.social> So we went full circle back to deamweaver?