<c​hch3003:monero.social> Diego Salazar: Discussions page is empty.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Why Astro? Well, I don't have everything in mind right now, but this is probably the most trendy Javascript SSG right now. It is No-JS by default.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> It supports a bunch of formats. Please check their website.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Discussions page is indeed empty. Gotta start some discussions. :D

<c​hch3003:monero.social> If you search "astro" on Elements you should see some discussions we had

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I have nothing against Astro. I'm admittedly behind the times in that I'm stuck in Jelyll land. But Jelyll itself hasn't been updated in many years.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Yeah..

<c​hch3003:monero.social> You can also find lot of tutorials / presentations about it on YouTube

<c​hch3003:monero.social> I invite everybody to do some research before asking questions about it

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Btw, I completely understand that it being made in JS doesn't mean the site needs JS.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Yes

<c​hch3003:monero.social> And this is one of their main selling point

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Theres no misconception from my end there.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The big question that will be answered at the meeting, I think, is whether or not a full-blown redesign is what we want to do.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> This on monero-logs?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I don't know actually.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> When is the meeting again? Will try to assist

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> ToDo: open an issue in meta with agenda, time, location and date.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> chch3003: Have you ever worked with Hugo before?

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Do we really need a meeting tho? We can talk async here

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Sunday, 6PM UTC

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Meetings are beneficial if the volunteer group is pretty large. It helps us resolve things and helps everyone feel heard. The smaller the group, the more unnecessary. With this in mind a meeting may not be necessary for us.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> No never worked with Hugo. Personnally I am mainly a Typescript / web dev. So I just chose what I am most comfortable with.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> But it reduces grumbling about people not knowing when decisions are made. This happens a lot.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> And Astro was checking all the boxes

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> "Of course things get decided without a meeting so I couldn't weigh in. Just a bunch of old guard deciding everything. Grumble grumble."

<c​hch3003:monero.social> I get the point

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> In the event that we decide a new site is needed, I'm down for Astro.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Ok good

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Yeah this was hashed out before

<3​21bob321:monero.social> With rb

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Hence the ccs

<b​asses:matrix.org> clipboard.png

<b​asses:matrix.org> this guy has Dread mindset so expect they act the same.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> this guy is retarded

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> actively spouting false info

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> to the point where you would assume it's malicious

<b​asses:matrix.org> Yes, he doesn't know shit

<b​asses:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/bbIQubKEsMugCgjEwlSBoehN

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> He basically said haveno-reto added malware even though the repo is right there

<b​asses:matrix.org> yeah that too

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> the workgroup shouldn't limit itself to comply with the idiocracy

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Who will be brave enough to make a *Pride month logo* pull request ? This will be incredibly funny

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> (context: i'm not against it)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> (context: i'm not against it, I don't remember the website having one and I know a lot of members will be against it)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> monero should be apolitical

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> nice to hear

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you cant have freedom currency with specific agendas, it's just a tool

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and its been working like this for years now. some people buy HRT with XMR, others by nazi trinkets, just shows monero works.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and its been working like this for years now. some people buy HRT with XMR, others buy nazi trinkets, just shows monero works.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> people have been canceled for donating on transparent chains, some even jailed (russia). none of this has happened to people using monero.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i'm not against it but i'm not for it either. always nice to have a project apolitical.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I would have still loved to see the shitstorm that would have been created out of such PR

<b​asses:matrix.org> Will do Ramadan too?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Wow I didn't know there was a ramadan logo too? Come on in. Let's make wide political logo ride

<b​asses:matrix.org> u asked for a celebrating a specific occasions, why not other occasions too?

<b​asses:matrix.org> u asked for a celebrating a specific occasion, why not other occasions too?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no no im saying lets include ramadan too

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> just change the logo every single day

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> pov: Google

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> today is World Drowning Prevention Day

<b​asses:matrix.org> how about we change the actual website design, many will agree

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> un.org/en/observances/list-days-weeks

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> what logo do we get for that

<b​asses:matrix.org> fk UN

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> oct 1 International Day of Older Persons

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> lol

<b​asses:matrix.org> plowsof Does monero claim the license to distribute videos made by Vosto Emisio on their social media?

We're excited to hear about that from Vosto Emisio

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lmao

<b​asses:matrix.org> lol, should have been asked the first time they worked on Monero

<b​asses:matrix.org> posting it on Monero official twitter, youtube etc will boost reach

<b​asses:matrix.org> was piped.yt/watch?v=138CogLuGC0 made also by them?

<b​asses:matrix.org> vostoemisio

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Alright. Did my research. Fully on board with Astro now. Good plugins. Multilingual support. Very active community and developers.

<b​asses:matrix.org> --redpilled-- Great you have read technical specification and understood how revolutionary Astro is.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> let's go 🚀🚀🚀

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> chch3003 Astro W

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Not 100% convinced we need a new site at all, but if we decide yes, astro is as good as a candidate as any

<b​asses:matrix.org> ofc ofc

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> damn you. you gave me false hope

Gordon Ramsey'd

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I thought we all agreed that we needed Thorchain type website with all the Web3 partner and all

Ramsay*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lmao plowsof

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> we need a big animated cube made from buzzwords

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> real

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Even though I'm not a big Javascript fan, the amount of JS devs are very large. So I kind of feel contributions would have the potential to increase if we needed some custom integration stuff

<b​asses:matrix.org> with Javascript required or website will be blank and require Widevine extension for videos to work

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> if we go no-js route, not a lot of js devs will help out tbh

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm talking a custom integration that might be needed on the backend. Not for the HTML/CSS portion

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> For example, a custom ruby plugin was made for our current jekyll site

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I see

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> getmonero.org/resources/moneropedia/block.html

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> hover over any of the terms and it will have a small pop up that tells you what it is

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> that was not default jekyll and not existing plugin for it. So it was made.

<b​asses:matrix.org> this cool feature

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> github.com/monero-project/monero-si…blob/master/_plugins/moneropedia.rb

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> so if we need similar such integrations for Astro, finding a Javascript dev to do it would be easier than finding a Ruby one

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I don't think you need to

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I mean I can do it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> just make an Astro component called A.astro, make some custom css on hover. Then import it, use `<A>whatever with menu context</A>`

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> just make an Astro component called A.astro, make some custom css on hover. Then import it, use `<A menu={text}>whatever with menu context</A>`

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no need for plugin, a simple component is enough is what I mean

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> well sure, but then if a summary is tweaked it will need to be tweaked manually for every page that has it

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> whereas this plugin rounds up all of the summaries from their pages. If you tweak that one page, all summaries change

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> at least, if memory serves, that's how I remember it working

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> but it's been a few years

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm not sure to understand

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> the summary text can also be imported from the page talking about it

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> ah ok. If that import is possible then cool.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> But my point stands that if we want some custom work done, regardless of what it is, finding JS devs will be easier than Ruby ones

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> gohugo.io

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> rotten, can you give me your reasoning?

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Hey, definitely not

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Seth's blog uses it, Revuo and Rottenblog use it, Digilol (MoneroKon infrastructure people) use and know it very well. There are definitely more that escape the mind right now.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> > Multilingual and i18n. Polyglot baked in. Hugo provides full i18n support for multi-language sites with the same straightforward development experience Hugo users love in single-language sites.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> From gohugo.io.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Easier to find Go developers than Ruby. Easier to find Go, Markdown and Javascript developers than Ruby.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Porting current Jekyll theme to Hugo/Markdown would be nice. Javascript-wrapped Astro would be nice too.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It's written in Go 🤮

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I think there are more resources (and developers?) on Hugo's camp, though? Not sure.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> What's wrong with Go now?

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Fully open license on the stuff we make for ccs/xmr

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm a rust evangelist, they are literally my antichrist

<b​asses:matrix.org> can this be written formally?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> CC BY-SA 4.0, I suppose? creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> why not 3.0 ?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Why rust?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> :trollface:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Why ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> :trollface:

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> scribe.rip/sourcescribes/hugo-the-w…test-website-framework-8cfaea46928a

<b​asses:matrix.org> propaganda

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Everything funded through CCS must be FOSS

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> by using and/or getting funds from the system, the stuff is FOSS

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Go propaganda

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> not confirmation needed

<b​asses:matrix.org> doubt u can license videos in GPL

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> everyone knows the fastest website framework is notepad.exe

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Sure, but CC is the equivalent :P

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> The same non-stop Astro/Javascript propaganda we've had in here for months, eh?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I don't see the video source code

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> I know a movie that would disagree

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> We're just better. deal with it

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Link me to any "video source code".

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> the marketing campaign maybe?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> What source code are you asking for in this case? The times vosto pressed rendering or adjusted values on Photoshop?

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> Yeah, I'v read this before and wrote it in one of our repo threads, our stuff is 100% foss

<b​asses:matrix.org> this wasn't laid out clearly like with the bazaar proposal in CCS

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> A recording of Vosto's PC screen while producing the clips?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> exactly

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It's about transparency

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> idea, we make the website in Unity as an interactive experience

<b​asses:matrix.org> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/463

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Metaverse

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> We also need his ID, it's equivalent to the git hash

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> We have uploaded the source files to our tail emission video, what more can we do

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> we buy land from decentraland

<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> (On the list to upload for random x and node vid too)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Godot is free and open soure, and better than Unity just sayin

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> nothing I was joking

<b​asses:matrix.org> probably assests used etc (im not a video editor)

<b​asses:matrix.org> pretty sure it has a naming

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> remember to always encode your videos in x264 or av1 otherwise x265 is patented and cost a lot

<b​asses:matrix.org> yea "source files"

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> perfect. That's the new plan now. Thanks for the impromptu meeting everyone

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thanks everyone

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I think we managed to get a lot done today.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I already feel the monero multiplayer website within our grasp

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> MMO

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Massive Monero Online

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> RPG-MMO: Real privacy generator massive monero online

<b​asses:matrix.org> was this a real meeting?

<b​asses:matrix.org> idk the schedule

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Every moment with you guys is like a meeting

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> hold on, it's too calm around here. Where is the schedulet core is bad discussion

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Core cannot be bad if they are not present

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Enlightenment is realizing that core is all of us

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/yMKnTZxGINyvDHmoGybNaZbU

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ^

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I know it's not the meeting yet, but I agree with chch3003 that async comms are very valuable

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> with that in mind, I'd like to ask for opinions here

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> for those of you who DO think we need a new website, why?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> for those who DON'T, why not?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I DO. We need a new more modern design, with a new blog that is active and several updated topics. A dedicated MRL whitepaper comes to mind. UX is also particularly great around download page. Download links are not big and colored, these are literally lines with platform in parenthesis

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> whitepaper page comes to my mind*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> not great*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> The sort of centered content design we have right now is not great for the eyes. Once you navigate in full screen there is a lot of blank on each side of the screen

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> whatever is the page you are looking into

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I like chch3003's prototype and I'd +1 for this redesign. Majorly because of the new more modern design need, also because dark theme by default. getmonero-unofficial-beta.vercel.app

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> github.com/Janaka-Steph/monero-website

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Anyone who doesn't like the prototype is a loser. Easy.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I’d be posting on reddit or lemmy if you want opinions on website change too

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Not just from 4 people here

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Be the change you want to see in the world!

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Im a very busy with monero docs!

<3​21bob321:monero.social> We also have a better room pfp

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Link me up sir!

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> what i like about the current website:

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> -simple & clean, dense in actual information

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> -real world user-story: Choose wallet -> exchanges -> Use it! -> FAQ

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> -top row is organized and simple

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> what i dislike about the beta proposal site:

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> -top row is not simple enough "Individuals"?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> -first block: same wording as current website but more complicated

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> -second block: redundant "How does Monero work?" with "What is monero?" video directly below it, video placement feels kinda jarring

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> -third block: a lot of text for not much substance

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> -wallet block is alright but wording needs simplification, screenshot pretty small

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> -join communities block & sponsors: looks like it's the end of the site already

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I think it would good to post in discussions

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Otherwise we do post malone again

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> the proposal site needs a lot of work and is very rough around the edges if you look past the nice graphics

<3​21bob321:monero.social> It was a basic show and tell

<3​21bob321:monero.social> For the ccs

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> It is prototype, not a final version. Suggest changes, reiterate...

our downloads (cdn) may still have caching, so when we release a new version, the early birds get the old one and carry on with their day

need to confirm on the next one, not good

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> a prototype should have at least some advantages over the thing it tries to replace. advantages currently are darkmode and more neat graphics

KISS fix is to add the release date / gibberish appended to the html

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> So what?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> If you don't like it, propose changes or do them yourself. The rest is whining to a wall.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> what the fuck is wrong with you

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof check the bot. Emergency.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Ffs, now even the regular IRC bot is shitting the bed smh.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> diego asked for opinions and i wrote mine down, you are attacking me for that? really?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> It's all your fault!

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> His question was the need for a new website, not this prototype specifically. You voice your opinion and I am not "attacking you for that" at all. I am telling you the truth, propose changes or be the change you want to see in the world!

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Dan told you to post that pros/cons of the **prototype** in GitHub discussions, for posterity.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> If telling you to implement, propose changes, or else it's "whining to a wall" represents an attack for you, I am sorry you are so sensitive today.

revuo bot: someone added ":" to the rss title sp its a new release hooray

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> His question was the need for a new website, not this prototype specifically. Different questions. You voice your opinion and I am not "attacking you for that" at all. I am telling you the truth, propose changes or be the change you want to see in the world!

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i must have thought im supposed to write about bcs of your "Anyone who doesn't like the prototype is a loser. Easy."

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i must have thought im supposed to write about it bcs of your "Anyone who doesn't like the prototype is a loser. Easy."

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I stand by that statement, loser. :D

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i think if we add darkmode and some new graphics to the current site we don't have to replace the whole thing

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> the worst part about the current site is this section

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/TSTkaOvLcPDlPhFYQEJgrvPE

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> because its just a boring wall of text

getmonero.org/resources/moneropedia/paperwallet.html perfection

short and to the point :D

an alternative darkmode css file would go a long way indeed

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> lol at the paperwallet

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> the whole moneropedia is kinda strange

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it has some really good info and then some really goofy stuff

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> getmonero.org/resources/moneropedia/kovri.html

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Im not saying I'm the be all and end all of design. But if we go toward a different one, I would want to take a crack at ir.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> It*

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i assume you did cypherstack.com?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> its clean

<b​asses:matrix.org> u working on it?

TIL 4 sentences is a wall of text :D

I do appreciate your overall view mb :)

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Yeah we have an unpaided working group

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Certainly did. I'm proud of it.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> I believe a new website is necessary because current one is too boring to spend time actually reading its content.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> A JS website using latest framework should have more contributions than with Jekyll.